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I was listening to one of the radio stations talking about this yesterday, and they were essentially saying that the Irish government was performatively voting against this to keep farmers happy, even though many in government were actually in favour of the deal. They knew it would pass, so they were basically just posturing for domestic politics.
It makes me wonder how much of the behind the scenes was just figuring out the balance of countries who would be voting 'against' for the sake of their own farmer lobbies, while still letting the deal go through.
It is logical for a legislator to vote against a bill that they know is going to pass regardless of their vote because they have some small critique of a piece of it, but they might vote for it if their vote was actually necessary for the bill to pass. They also feel freer to vote no to please a small group of constituents if they know the bill is going to pass regardless of their vote.
It's still a bad move because it fuels Frexit. Now they can say France had EU's will forced upon them, they couldn't say that had Macron voted in favor of the deal.
O get where you're coming from, but I also think Brexit made everyone realise that the EU will carve it's pound of flesh out of any country that leaves. Even if it didn't, any country that leaves will find itself substantially worse off, and Britain is an example that is right there to point to.
There's a reason Brexit basically killed the wider Eurosceptic movement.
The EU would probably survive Frexit (I'd give it 75/25), although it would severely hurt it's economy and political stability.
In fact I'd even argue a lot of the northern/western countries would love to be rid of French (mostly fiscal and monetary) influence within the EU and it's institutions.
The French budget on the other hand would spontaneously combust.
The budget deficit is already horrendous, without the small bits of EU fiscal oversight, and the ECB to stabilise bond rates, markets would definitely freak the fuck out (think Lizz Truss or maybe worse).
Frexit would be murder-suicide. The EU was always primarily a French project, especially the Euro. It has been key in France exercising its will over smaller countries like Benelux and while dragging a semi-reluctant Germany along.
A Frexit would be an own goal of cosmic proportions. Even dumber than all the shit Trump is doing right now.
I would guess every dissenting government, maybe with the exception of France had this approach. Like in what world does Tusk or Meloni give a fuck about farming for it's own sake?
Shame that the deal wasn't approved just before harvest season, right now farmers have nothing better to do than to block highways with their EU-funded tractors and harvesters.
hearing the way arr france talks about south america in threads about mercosur while at the same time carrying a banner that says "Support for the people of Venezuela and the victims of imperialism" is.... well it doesn't exactly make me feel positive feelings about the french.
France, Poland, Austria, Ireland and Hungary voted against.
EU trade deals don't need unanimity, but it's common misconception because of CETA, where certain non-core parts need separate ratification by states (I think even CETA could be wholly approved by EU, but they did it in a more complicated way).
It's not as if French people wouldn't find reason to throw protests either way. Better to say he at least tried and just get pelted and blocked by farmers than the protest going out of control again.
This Euronews article states that “French MEPs vow fight in Parliament.” Is there any way for the deal to be stopped in Parliament? Or is that just posturing for domestic politics in France?
You can probably expect the entire French delegation across all parties including Macron's to vote against the deal in the EU Parliament. Although that isn't likely to change the final outcome.
The amount of beef that will be allowed for import is small - something like like 220 grams per EU resident per year, so the impact on price should negligible
Afaik agricultural products are a fairly small part of the overall deal and still have some restrictive quotas. If anything there's going to be more agricultural luxury exports out of Europe than cheap imports.
The biggest things are the increased imports of raw materials from South America to Europe, and in return financial investment in the extraction industry and export of finished industrial products like heavy machinery or cars.
Europeans will rather watch their relevance wither away than do anything.
And it is so watered down that honestly, at this stage I'd rather it would not pass and we just collectively say fuck Europe. The upside down world that we (latam) have to celebrate a deal that is largely bad for us and the Europeans complain about a deal that is good for them
A deal of this sort can't really be bad considering an unilateral curb of tariffs in itself would already be good. Brazil forces companies like BMW to setup their own tiny vehicle factories to satisfy the (rather small) Brazilian market, it's nonsense, there's no economies of scale it's a waste of labor and resources.
the "concessions" trade negotiators are so proud of wresting from other nations are almost always actions these nations should have taken in their own interest anyway
Yeah and that food will be compliant with EU regulations and if the price increases with more than 5% the emergency mechanism will kick in to regulate.
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Finally. Now I sincerely hope that Mercosur pivots to Asia and starts to cut deals with everyone out there. Countries like Vietnam or Thailand should be firmly in our sights.
They will be held to higher standards in order to gain access to the European market. Otherwise, China will take those cattle, no questions asked. The limitation to deforestation was never a lack of demand.
The US launched a raid on Venezuela and is now pretending that they control the country. They say this is part of their new “Donroe” doctrine of western hemisphere dominance.
Within the week, the EU finalizes a trade deal covering 449 million people in South America, including Venezuela (which is currently suspended).
Well, that depends on what you define as being "more" neoliberal. For example on a quick Google search it seems like the EU has slightly more free trade agreements with various countries than the US and certainly after MERCOSUR free trade treaty is implemented.
That is of course ignoring the fact that EU themselves is a one huge internal market and thus supposedly the largest Neoliberal supranational project in itself.
EU also maintains close relations with various UN bodies and other international bodies, which the current US administration seems very eager to get rid of.
Though US clearly has done a better job in getting rid of excessive regulation and generally has better labour market flexibility.
About the previous political rights I am not so sure in the US, but the current administration is actively trying to backslide on various political rights.
So I atleast would argue that EU already is "more neoliberal", if only because they are being compared to Trump's United States.
I was thinking of mentioning it, but I pondered if that was a specifically neoliberal policy or more "guys, this will benefit everyone in the long run, so maybe we should really do it" kind of policy.
But EU has been actually quite ambitious in climate policy in general, comparatively, something that the United States seems to have historically lacked and the current administration has all but given up on.
I will argue that the EU's approach of decarbonisation via the ETS I/II and CBAM are neoliberal market-based approaches, if we're doing the silly thing of trying to pander to this sub specifically.
More holistically, I'd say acknowleding that climate change exists and poses a danger is something that a responsible state should do.
IIRC it’s not just slightly more FTAs, it’s like double the number - though the key point is that the US has basically stopped signing FTAs in recent years (not just under Trump) whereas the EU has continued to push ahead with them
There's of course a fair bit of work to be done, such as fixing the whole regulatory mess around say investments into new companies and the likes due to all memberstates having a different rules around pay and the likes, instead of a single EU regulated thing that applies in every member state
I do wonder how much this agreement being made right now was influenced by Lula threatening that there "will be no more agreement" if there was no decision very soon, instead of being delayed once again
Both Uruguay and Paraguay representatives threatened to leave Mercosur and align with Chile/Peru if this deal wasn't concluded, leaving the bloc with Brazil and dysfunctional Argentina.
As a brazilian I can't help but think that this is a terrible deal to us. In the short term our economy may have a boost but most of that growth is going to an agricultural elite for giants like JBS who have massive connections with the government.
What I don't see discussed at all is how european industrialized goods are going to be more widely exported to south america and probably deal the final blow to our "industrial" sector.
This reeks of the same colonial relationship from the 1700s where the colonies provided raw resources for the mainland to develop into manufactured goods and the fact that mercosul desperately wanted it for 30 years should make us all realize that the colonial elites of the past still control us all.
European and especially french arrogance is so absurd, this trade deal is so one sided towards the benefit of Europe yet they still complained and fabricated all kinds of schemes to cancel or stall it and the fact that we only talk about the minor agricultural concessions europe will have to make while mercosul will nuke its industrial sector is honestly insulting.
It's the other way around. The industry always benefict from economic of scale, the more you can produce, the better. You need a market to export all that you produce, now with the deal there is a market to export to. There is now a reason to make industry in Brazil (and Mercosur), you have were to export now
This is not in the deal at all. Quite the opposite, by importing industrial goods, producing industrial goods will become cheaper. Good luck competing internationally when you have to pay a shitload for machinery, materials, batteries, transportation, etc.
The first thing that I would ask is... how deep is your understanding of economics? Do you have enough knowledge to have a strong opinion about the subject, against all the literature that has consistently found that deals like these are very good for both parties?
but most of that growth is going to an agricultural elite for giants like JBS who have massive connections with the government.
It's nearly impossible to restrict the gains only to agricultural giants. And in any case, those firms will also spend their money domestically and spread it throughout the economy. Brazil without agricultural sector would have been stagnated for 30 years, and that include taxes for public services expansion, jobs in cities, public healthcare, free universities, etc, etc.
This reeks of the same colonial relationship from the 1700s where the colonies provided raw resources for the mainland to develop into manufactured goods and the fact that mercosul desperately wanted it for 30 years should make us all realize that the colonial elites of the past still control us all.
This is silly. Brazil's elites have been selling you this in order to maintain their monopoly on the domestic market for decades, by limiting foreign competition. In practice, poor people just pay more for stuff while they get to be bad at their jobs and not have to compete internationally. In any case, there is absolutely no scenario in which NOT having the deal leaves the situation any better. Brazil is growing less than the word average despite being a developing country, and our industry isn't doing anything special or developing in isolation, despite the same strategy being in place for 60 years. It's time to drop this shit. Again, companies that can already compete internationally will just gain from this, as they are already better than the competition AND will now have easier access to foreign markets and will be able to buy cheaper materials. EMBRAER and WEG will love this. incompetent firms that survive only through restricting competition will die.
this trade deal is so one sided towards the benefit of Europe
The deal got a lot of cutouts for Europe, but South America still gains more simply because we trade so little. We are so protectionist and isolated that even a relatively unbalanced deal already grants us a massive new market to explore Again, refer to the document I linked earlier.
> What I don't see discussed at all is how european industrialized goods are going to be more widely exported to south america and probably deal the final blow to our "industrial" sector.
Companies like WEG, Tramontina, Embraer will benefit. I hope the industries that live off subsidies, tax cuts and high tariffs hurting consumers fail, many of which are just making white label products anyways.
What I don't see discussed at all is how european industrialized goods are going to be more widely exported to south america and probably deal the final blow to our "industrial" sector.
I care more about poor people than animals. And in the end, the best hope that the EU has to force other countries to implement their standards is through deals like these. Expanding the EU is the solution, not to close itself off.
I'm not against the agreement per say but i am afraid that this will have the effect of lowering animal welfare standards in the EU instead of bettering them in south america
This is a very unfounded fear. European meat already competes with South American meat. The quotas that will get lower tariffs are a nearly insignificant percentage of what Europe already imports.
As far as i'm aware this is true for the slaughter of the animals, and egg-laying hens but there's no requirements for beef or poultry to be raised and transported with the same EU standards.
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I was listening to one of the radio stations talking about this yesterday, and they were essentially saying that the Irish government was performatively voting against this to keep farmers happy, even though many in government were actually in favour of the deal. They knew it would pass, so they were basically just posturing for domestic politics.
It makes me wonder how much of the behind the scenes was just figuring out the balance of countries who would be voting 'against' for the sake of their own farmer lobbies, while still letting the deal go through.
That is common in all of these voting systems.
It is logical for a legislator to vote against a bill that they know is going to pass regardless of their vote because they have some small critique of a piece of it, but they might vote for it if their vote was actually necessary for the bill to pass. They also feel freer to vote no to please a small group of constituents if they know the bill is going to pass regardless of their vote.
It's still a bad move because it fuels Frexit. Now they can say France had EU's will forced upon them, they couldn't say that had Macron voted in favor of the deal.
O get where you're coming from, but I also think Brexit made everyone realise that the EU will carve it's pound of flesh out of any country that leaves. Even if it didn't, any country that leaves will find itself substantially worse off, and Britain is an example that is right there to point to.
There's a reason Brexit basically killed the wider Eurosceptic movement.
Brexit was a pretty bad loss for the EU, but Frexit would probably be a mortal wound for the block. I really hope they're smarter than that.
The EU would probably survive Frexit (I'd give it 75/25), although it would severely hurt it's economy and political stability.
In fact I'd even argue a lot of the northern/western countries would love to be rid of French (mostly fiscal and monetary) influence within the EU and it's institutions.
The French budget on the other hand would spontaneously combust.
The budget deficit is already horrendous, without the small bits of EU fiscal oversight, and the ECB to stabilise bond rates, markets would definitely freak the fuck out (think Lizz Truss or maybe worse).
Frexit would be murder-suicide. The EU was always primarily a French project, especially the Euro. It has been key in France exercising its will over smaller countries like Benelux and while dragging a semi-reluctant Germany along.
A Frexit would be an own goal of cosmic proportions. Even dumber than all the shit Trump is doing right now.
Frexit would be suicide for France with its 116% debt-to-GDP ratio.
Hell, even the moderates in the US Congress do this if there's wiggle room on a bill
I would guess every dissenting government, maybe with the exception of France had this approach. Like in what world does Tusk or Meloni give a fuck about farming for it's own sake?
Lol, it's the exact same thing in France. Shameful.
Finally, fuck farmers.
Shame that the deal wasn't approved just before harvest season, right now farmers have nothing better to do than to block highways with their EU-funded tractors and harvesters.
Farmers? Fuck em!
With a special shoutout to the french
hearing the way arr france talks about south america in threads about mercosur while at the same time carrying a banner that says "Support for the people of Venezuela and the victims of imperialism" is.... well it doesn't exactly make me feel positive feelings about the french.
Almost 5 million of them voted for Jean-Marie Le Pen. One of the most deplorable politicians ever elected in Europe
Don't use the F-word uncensored please.
Fuck F*rmers
Farmers would block roads even if the deal was rejected. They will always want more...
Biggest parasites of society. "Thank a farmer" How about no and fuck off
They still got plenty of carve outs. Their protests weren't for nothing unfortunately.
Hopefully EU start reducing their anti-GMO tirade as well, which is insane because EU used to be not this bad before.
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France, Poland, Austria, Ireland and Hungary voted against.
EU trade deals don't need unanimity, but it's common misconception because of CETA, where certain non-core parts need separate ratification by states (I think even CETA could be wholly approved by EU, but they did it in a more complicated way).
I guess some of those are like Susan Collins voting with dems when it does not change anything.
Poland I guess for example, IIRC Tusk was not against it but for internal politics it was useful to be against it.
I suspect Macron did the same after learning Italy would agree.
Yep, the farmers will protest anyways but Macron can still stay “hey we voted against it, what more could we have done”.
It's not as if French people wouldn't find reason to throw protests either way. Better to say he at least tried and just get pelted and blocked by farmers than the protest going out of control again.
A Hungary no vote just registers as white noise by this point.
I don't respect a lot the Susan Collins of our world, lol.
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This Euronews article states that “French MEPs vow fight in Parliament.” Is there any way for the deal to be stopped in Parliament? Or is that just posturing for domestic politics in France?
You need the consent of the European Parliament before it is finally ratified, I don't see it being an issue but who knows.
You can probably expect the entire French delegation across all parties including Macron's to vote against the deal in the EU Parliament. Although that isn't likely to change the final outcome.
por fin los Europeos van a probar la carne argentina 📈 se salvó la gestion de Milei.
Clearly the farmers didn't block enough roads.
Surely, flinging more shit will endear people to their reasonable cause of higher prices for foodstuffs
3000 blocked roads of France.
Does that mean that the price of beef is finally gonna fall ?? Need the cheap Argentinian beef for the gains bruh
There are still some import restrictions on stuff like beef as a concession unfortunately, but it puts us towards the right direction.
The amount of beef that will be allowed for import is small - something like like 220 grams per EU resident per year, so the impact on price should negligible
Eu politicians bowing to farmers worst demands.
“The poor can have half a steak as a treat”
To be fair, meat should be significantly more expensive, especially since their emissions aren't properly internalised
wow, such "free trade"
Majority of the deal is not about beef.
Overall it reduces about 90% of tariffs.
Afaik agricultural products are a fairly small part of the overall deal and still have some restrictive quotas. If anything there's going to be more agricultural luxury exports out of Europe than cheap imports.
The biggest things are the increased imports of raw materials from South America to Europe, and in return financial investment in the extraction industry and export of finished industrial products like heavy machinery or cars.
Why would this change? Are you seriously telling me the EU was tariffing the import of raw materials that aren't even produced on the continent?
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There are plenty Europeans pissed about it too, but we don't have EU funded farming equipment to cause a temper tantrum with.
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1%????? The what the fuck does South American even gain from this?
Brazil and Lula fought for it, specifically.
Europeans will rather watch their relevance wither away than do anything.
And it is so watered down that honestly, at this stage I'd rather it would not pass and we just collectively say fuck Europe. The upside down world that we (latam) have to celebrate a deal that is largely bad for us and the Europeans complain about a deal that is good for them
A deal of this sort can't really be bad considering an unilateral curb of tariffs in itself would already be good. Brazil forces companies like BMW to setup their own tiny vehicle factories to satisfy the (rather small) Brazilian market, it's nonsense, there's no economies of scale it's a waste of labor and resources.
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2 reasons to be happy;
more trade and geopolitcal influence for the EU.
I hate the arrogance of (some) european farmers.
What does the Deal actually do? Allowed foreign import of Agriculture good in EU? Took 25 Years too.
And easier exports of industrial goods into South America
Well, more importantly it gives new export markets yo EU companies, which they kinda desperately need.
Here's the Commission's overview of what it entails:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_24_6245
Yeah and that food will be compliant with EU regulations and if the price increases with more than 5% the emergency mechanism will kick in to regulate.
Ah, so in worst scenario, more enforced anti-GMO nonsense, and EU will never raise the quota into something more significant.
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Land value tax but including the negative externality of farming land, the farmers:
I dont think we are allowed to count people as property anymore
Not counting people, but the damage to the economy
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Dissappointed in Macron, but it's nice to see some good news in 2026
Thank you Donald Trump
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Finally some good news.
Obligatory fuck farmers and their rent seeking behavior
Nice, finally!
Thank God, finally!
Long live free trade and down to trade barriers!
Rent-seekers and catfortune can suck it
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Can farmers ruin this
They will try, but it looks like its an almost done deal at this point(hoping for no jinx)
Not really
They're mostly ruining traffic around Brussels now.
Why Austria would vote against? Do they have disproportionately strong farmers as well?
Finally. Now I sincerely hope that Mercosur pivots to Asia and starts to cut deals with everyone out there. Countries like Vietnam or Thailand should be firmly in our sights.
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what does this mean for south american deforestation, especially of rainforest areas for cattle pasture?
They will be held to higher standards in order to gain access to the European market. Otherwise, China will take those cattle, no questions asked. The limitation to deforestation was never a lack of demand.
Waow
The US launched a raid on Venezuela and is now pretending that they control the country. They say this is part of their new “Donroe” doctrine of western hemisphere dominance.
Within the week, the EU finalizes a trade deal covering 449 million people in South America, including Venezuela (which is currently suspended).
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At current trends Europe will be more neoliberal than USA at some point
I’d say Europe is a lot more in line with this subs values than America is
Well, that depends on what you define as being "more" neoliberal. For example on a quick Google search it seems like the EU has slightly more free trade agreements with various countries than the US and certainly after MERCOSUR free trade treaty is implemented.
That is of course ignoring the fact that EU themselves is a one huge internal market and thus supposedly the largest Neoliberal supranational project in itself.
EU also maintains close relations with various UN bodies and other international bodies, which the current US administration seems very eager to get rid of.
Though US clearly has done a better job in getting rid of excessive regulation and generally has better labour market flexibility.
About the previous political rights I am not so sure in the US, but the current administration is actively trying to backslide on various political rights.
So I atleast would argue that EU already is "more neoliberal", if only because they are being compared to Trump's United States.
As someone working at the EU on decarbonisation, I'd like to throw climate change policies in there.
I was thinking of mentioning it, but I pondered if that was a specifically neoliberal policy or more "guys, this will benefit everyone in the long run, so maybe we should really do it" kind of policy.
But EU has been actually quite ambitious in climate policy in general, comparatively, something that the United States seems to have historically lacked and the current administration has all but given up on.
I will argue that the EU's approach of decarbonisation via the ETS I/II and CBAM are neoliberal market-based approaches, if we're doing the silly thing of trying to pander to this sub specifically.
More holistically, I'd say acknowleding that climate change exists and poses a danger is something that a responsible state should do.
IIRC it’s not just slightly more FTAs, it’s like double the number - though the key point is that the US has basically stopped signing FTAs in recent years (not just under Trump) whereas the EU has continued to push ahead with them
i would disagree on some fronts but i am too depressed about america right now to possibly defend it
There's of course a fair bit of work to be done, such as fixing the whole regulatory mess around say investments into new companies and the likes due to all memberstates having a different rules around pay and the likes, instead of a single EU regulated thing that applies in every member state
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Yeah my bad, next time we will tariff whole world as a good neoliberal country would.
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I do wonder how much this agreement being made right now was influenced by Lula threatening that there "will be no more agreement" if there was no decision very soon, instead of being delayed once again
Both Uruguay and Paraguay representatives threatened to leave Mercosur and align with Chile/Peru if this deal wasn't concluded, leaving the bloc with Brazil and dysfunctional Argentina.
Uruguay and Paraguay don't have 10M people in two. It'd be like negotiating a EU FTA without Portugal.
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No but seriously, it has been for some time
As a brazilian I can't help but think that this is a terrible deal to us. In the short term our economy may have a boost but most of that growth is going to an agricultural elite for giants like JBS who have massive connections with the government.
What I don't see discussed at all is how european industrialized goods are going to be more widely exported to south america and probably deal the final blow to our "industrial" sector.
This reeks of the same colonial relationship from the 1700s where the colonies provided raw resources for the mainland to develop into manufactured goods and the fact that mercosul desperately wanted it for 30 years should make us all realize that the colonial elites of the past still control us all.
European and especially french arrogance is so absurd, this trade deal is so one sided towards the benefit of Europe yet they still complained and fabricated all kinds of schemes to cancel or stall it and the fact that we only talk about the minor agricultural concessions europe will have to make while mercosul will nuke its industrial sector is honestly insulting.
It's the other way around. The industry always benefict from economic of scale, the more you can produce, the better. You need a market to export all that you produce, now with the deal there is a market to export to. There is now a reason to make industry in Brazil (and Mercosur), you have were to export now
EU isn't buying any industrial goods from mercosul though, Mercosul will almost exclusively provide raw materials and food to the EU
This is not in the deal at all. Quite the opposite, by importing industrial goods, producing industrial goods will become cheaper. Good luck competing internationally when you have to pay a shitload for machinery, materials, batteries, transportation, etc.
Is something in the deal that forbids selling industrial goods to the EU?
The first thing that I would ask is... how deep is your understanding of economics? Do you have enough knowledge to have a strong opinion about the subject, against all the literature that has consistently found that deals like these are very good for both parties?
And, by the way, it is estimated that Brazil will have the biggest economic gain of the deal, of 0.3% of it's GDP, with a bigger bonus for unskilled workers (0.3 for skilled, 0.4 for unskilled). Page 21 here: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2025/754476/EXPO_STU(2025)754476_EN.pdf.
Now lets move to the points:
It's nearly impossible to restrict the gains only to agricultural giants. And in any case, those firms will also spend their money domestically and spread it throughout the economy. Brazil without agricultural sector would have been stagnated for 30 years, and that include taxes for public services expansion, jobs in cities, public healthcare, free universities, etc, etc.
This is silly. Brazil's elites have been selling you this in order to maintain their monopoly on the domestic market for decades, by limiting foreign competition. In practice, poor people just pay more for stuff while they get to be bad at their jobs and not have to compete internationally. In any case, there is absolutely no scenario in which NOT having the deal leaves the situation any better. Brazil is growing less than the word average despite being a developing country, and our industry isn't doing anything special or developing in isolation, despite the same strategy being in place for 60 years. It's time to drop this shit. Again, companies that can already compete internationally will just gain from this, as they are already better than the competition AND will now have easier access to foreign markets and will be able to buy cheaper materials. EMBRAER and WEG will love this. incompetent firms that survive only through restricting competition will die.
The deal got a lot of cutouts for Europe, but South America still gains more simply because we trade so little. We are so protectionist and isolated that even a relatively unbalanced deal already grants us a massive new market to explore Again, refer to the document I linked earlier.
> What I don't see discussed at all is how european industrialized goods are going to be more widely exported to south america and probably deal the final blow to our "industrial" sector.
Companies like WEG, Tramontina, Embraer will benefit. I hope the industries that live off subsidies, tax cuts and high tariffs hurting consumers fail, many of which are just making white label products anyways.
Do you promise me? Pretty please?
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Is this not bad news for animal welfare standards here?
This was always a fake argument when it is really all about protectionism
I mean i'm not really interested in whether others falsely use the argument, I'm passionate about animal welfare myself and that's why I want to know.
I care more about poor people than animals. And in the end, the best hope that the EU has to force other countries to implement their standards is through deals like these. Expanding the EU is the solution, not to close itself off.
I'm not against the agreement per say but i am afraid that this will have the effect of lowering animal welfare standards in the EU instead of bettering them in south america
This is a very unfounded fear. European meat already competes with South American meat. The quotas that will get lower tariffs are a nearly insignificant percentage of what Europe already imports.
Meat that doesn't follow those standards won't be let in anyway, that's also a propaganda argument by eu
leechesfarmersAs far as i'm aware this is true for the slaughter of the animals, and egg-laying hens but there's no requirements for beef or poultry to be raised and transported with the same EU standards.