It was the most disgusting naked opportunism ive ever seen.
Literally feeding off the pessimism your own party created through their actions, but the goldfish brain of the median thinks its something shiny and new.
Really thats most of the appeal of MAGA. Conservatives being mad about shit conservatives caused.
It remains deeply embarrassing for Democrats that Republicans were able to seriously convince people that they were more anti war. Yes we can laugh at the people who fell for it, but it's so incredibly frustrating how Democrats spent years supporting whatever awful shit the Israeli military was doing and Kamala spent her convention speech about how much she wanted to make the US military more deadly. Absolute political malpractice.
I mean im not sure if republicans at large did manage to convince people they were anti war. Trump did. And yeah after Trump took over the perception spread to the rest of the party.
I dont have the data for this just the vibes, but im pretty convinced that up to 2016 the GOP was still considered the warmonger party.
So the real explanation is something that Trump did. Which still doesnt make sense easily, as he campaigned equally on ending wars and blowing people up. He really just said EVERYTHING so that in the age of internet, every person had a soundclip ready to go on every possible pro or against policy stance. Its kind of fascinating
He's a chameleon. Like a political Rorschach test. Whatever you want in a leader, I'm that. They hear whatever they want to hear because he has no actual firm positions. I'm everything and I'm nothing. Anti war? I'm that. Suddenly pro bombing brown people again? I'm that too. I'll fix it all. And in times of uncertainty and upheaval, especially post covid, magas somehow find comfort in that messaging even when they know it to be lies.
He's so *much* of a chameleon that it's not only "whatever you want in a leader", it's whatever you want in one today, tomorrow, and yesterday. Without the guideposts of truth, the optimal strategy is to represent everything at once, because any position anyone doesn't like just gets discarded...the people literally do the campaigning FOR you, out of their own purest wistful delusions.
Of course, those "guideposts of truth" were taken down by people earlier than Trump, so it certainly goes deeper. He's just a step in the ladder, albeit a large one.
I mean im not sure if republicans at large did manage to convince people they were anti war
they didn't, but you have to consider that there's a contingent on the sub that deeply wants to shit on Democrats (and, specifically, Kamala 🤔) for any and everything possible
Trump supported the Iraq war as well. In fact while Clinton’s opinion on it changed as the consequences became clear and it came out that Bush lied about the WMDs, meanwhile Trump’s opinion on it only changed when we didn’t steal all the oil possible
Idk I feel like it has more to do with the Republicans' massive media environment pushing their messaging 24 hours a day, seven days a week than it does with anything the Dems did. Even people who don't WATCH Fox might still pick it up from local TV, where most stations now owned by conservative activists, or from social media, which is owned by billionaires who would really love if their taxes got cut and shape their algorithms accordingly.
Not to say Dems haven't done anything wrong, but the fact that the party of Bush Jr managed to finesse their way out of the war monger label probably isn't really about that.
because in his first term he was surrounded by establishment republicans who were ghouls but at least respected the country at least a little bit, even someone like Mike Pence refused to coup the government when Trump told him to do it. Now only people who do as Trump says regardless of anything else are allowed in the inner circle and the rest of the republicans are following suit since they do not think they can win without Trump and they can keep their hands relatively clean by not being the ones doing it directly
Thing is, Rubio has some say here. At least he could have advised the man to make it sound better than "give me your oil and you only get to purchase US goods". How hard can that be? But then again, Trump doesn't give a fuck anymore after getting away with so much, I guess.
MAGA is a personally cult, they are not even drumming up the "liberation" or "freedom" talking points that Dubya did. I mean for crying out loud, even Mao tried to spin invading Tibet as some sort of fight against thanatocracy.
It really slaps for people who don’t want to come to terms with the fact they rooted for the Iraq war 6 years. The second W left office you couldn’t find a single supporter.
Are there any examples of this under Biden with Dems? I genuinely can't remember a single thing where polling flipped on an issue with Dems positively because Biden did something. Shoot, did it even happen with Obama? If anything half the shit they did seem to just drop approval
To be fair (which i dont enjoy giving the benefit of the doubt to them), the framing of that question does a lot of heavy lifting in making it more tolerable.
Before the raid The question being asked is if you support interventionism or isolationism. After, its asking strictly if you agree with the overthrow of Maduro.
Which, to be clear, I support. Maduro is a thug and a negative influence not only in the world but of course to his own people. Im not gonna defend Maduro's non-existent right to rule. And lets not preach from the comfort of our own living rooms about how "revolutions/overthrows must always come from the people." Easier said than done, and sometimes the pragmatic and best option is to slime baby hitler.
All that to say, I dont like the nature of how it unfolded, the lawlessness of it all, the bad moral standing it puts us in. However, he needed to go, and youre not gonna get a good answer asking a question like that.
you need to look at the rest of the charts. even with the faulty phasing you dont see this level of skew on the same question with “non-maga republicans”.
Yeah funny how we had fools in this sub doing the exact same thing. The guy who tried to overturn elections when he lost. Let's let him send armies to other nations. What could possibly go wrong?
Well.... MAGA movement is basically Yes man movement
They love the taste of leather
And pubic hair.
And orange spray-tan
https://preview.redd.it/542l21683bcg1.png?width=1351&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c99efbda9f8e1418ff3b801b1928519f0b57bfb
Conservatives in cult of the leader societies throughout time: "the leader is always right."
From tribal chieftains to medieval kingdoms to "good tzar, bad boyars" to "wenn das der Führer wüsste"
They were born to follow.
Fallout New Vegas' Yes Man had more spine than any MAGAt
At least Yes Man would passive aggressively comply when you did something genuinely stupid. MAGAs act like it is the greatest idea ever
Sheep
To be fair, most MAGA voters also voted for Bush twice and then McCain. The "No New Wars" position was pretty new and never fit great.
"We don't like LOSING wars silly. They should have gotten us into easy winnable wars"
It was the most disgusting naked opportunism ive ever seen.
Literally feeding off the pessimism your own party created through their actions, but the goldfish brain of the median thinks its something shiny and new.
Really thats most of the appeal of MAGA. Conservatives being mad about shit conservatives caused.
Besides the racism of course. Thats just innate.
It remains deeply embarrassing for Democrats that Republicans were able to seriously convince people that they were more anti war. Yes we can laugh at the people who fell for it, but it's so incredibly frustrating how Democrats spent years supporting whatever awful shit the Israeli military was doing and Kamala spent her convention speech about how much she wanted to make the US military more deadly. Absolute political malpractice.
I mean im not sure if republicans at large did manage to convince people they were anti war. Trump did. And yeah after Trump took over the perception spread to the rest of the party.
I dont have the data for this just the vibes, but im pretty convinced that up to 2016 the GOP was still considered the warmonger party.
So the real explanation is something that Trump did. Which still doesnt make sense easily, as he campaigned equally on ending wars and blowing people up. He really just said EVERYTHING so that in the age of internet, every person had a soundclip ready to go on every possible pro or against policy stance. Its kind of fascinating
He's a chameleon. Like a political Rorschach test. Whatever you want in a leader, I'm that. They hear whatever they want to hear because he has no actual firm positions. I'm everything and I'm nothing. Anti war? I'm that. Suddenly pro bombing brown people again? I'm that too. I'll fix it all. And in times of uncertainty and upheaval, especially post covid, magas somehow find comfort in that messaging even when they know it to be lies.
He's so *much* of a chameleon that it's not only "whatever you want in a leader", it's whatever you want in one today, tomorrow, and yesterday. Without the guideposts of truth, the optimal strategy is to represent everything at once, because any position anyone doesn't like just gets discarded...the people literally do the campaigning FOR you, out of their own purest wistful delusions.
Of course, those "guideposts of truth" were taken down by people earlier than Trump, so it certainly goes deeper. He's just a step in the ladder, albeit a large one.
they didn't, but you have to consider that there's a contingent on the sub that deeply wants to shit on Democrats (and, specifically, Kamala 🤔) for any and everything possible
I think there were reasons for people to believe Hillary Clinton was more hawkish than Trump. She was pretty hawkish and had supported the Iraq War!
No. Just no.
Trump supported the Iraq war as well. In fact while Clinton’s opinion on it changed as the consequences became clear and it came out that Bush lied about the WMDs, meanwhile Trump’s opinion on it only changed when we didn’t steal all the oil possible
https://archive.thinkprogress.org/trump-if-we-dont-take-iraq-s-oil-u-s-soldiers-would-have-died-in-vain-9a87a055731f/
Trump was always calling for bombing other places and waging wars. Any time he talked about peace was always just doublespeak
Idk I feel like it has more to do with the Republicans' massive media environment pushing their messaging 24 hours a day, seven days a week than it does with anything the Dems did. Even people who don't WATCH Fox might still pick it up from local TV, where most stations now owned by conservative activists, or from social media, which is owned by billionaires who would really love if their taxes got cut and shape their algorithms accordingly.
Not to say Dems haven't done anything wrong, but the fact that the party of Bush Jr managed to finesse their way out of the war monger label probably isn't really about that.
‘No, new wars!’
Correction: “No supporting Ukraine against Russia”
Their issue was the democrats support defending Ukraine from Russia, not wars. We shouldn’t pretend it was ever anything but Ukraine bad
McCain is rolling in his grave, he was hawkish on Russia, warned about them only to be dismissed
MAGA, visualized:
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Say what you want about National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos
If you believe in nothing you'll fall for anything.
Fuckin nihilists
We cut off your SNAP benefits Lebowski!
“Yah! Ozzervize, ve kill ze girl!”
-ICE Agents
The fun thing is that Trump talked a lot about oil. I wonder why he didn't do a lot about it in his first term despite that rhetoric.
because in his first term he was surrounded by establishment republicans who were ghouls but at least respected the country at least a little bit, even someone like Mike Pence refused to coup the government when Trump told him to do it. Now only people who do as Trump says regardless of anything else are allowed in the inner circle and the rest of the republicans are following suit since they do not think they can win without Trump and they can keep their hands relatively clean by not being the ones doing it directly
Thing is, Rubio has some say here. At least he could have advised the man to make it sound better than "give me your oil and you only get to purchase US goods". How hard can that be? But then again, Trump doesn't give a fuck anymore after getting away with so much, I guess.
The single talking point of every anti-American on earth is oil imperialism.
So he leans into that?!
It's Trump, he always takes the worst route.
MAGA is a personally cult, they are not even drumming up the "liberation" or "freedom" talking points that Dubya did. I mean for crying out loud, even Mao tried to spin invading Tibet as some sort of fight against thanatocracy.
It’s literally medieval politics and foreign policy/imperialism with the power of modern weaponry.
MAGA will literally decide to attack another country for a personal slight against their shitty fucking leader or some such flimsy excuse lol.
MAGA has TDS.
They believe in loyalty to the leader, we believe in loyalty to our cause (being stuff like not starting pointless wars)
The whole thing "DEM is warmonger" is the most stupid things that anyone has ever fallen for.
It really slaps for people who don’t want to come to terms with the fact they rooted for the Iraq war 6 years. The second W left office you couldn’t find a single supporter.
Are there any examples of this under Biden with Dems? I genuinely can't remember a single thing where polling flipped on an issue with Dems positively because Biden did something. Shoot, did it even happen with Obama? If anything half the shit they did seem to just drop approval
Cult doing cultist things
Maga has always been no new wars cause get nothing for it. Trump literally attacked the bushes for Iraq for not getting the oil.
To be fair (which i dont enjoy giving the benefit of the doubt to them), the framing of that question does a lot of heavy lifting in making it more tolerable.
Before the raid The question being asked is if you support interventionism or isolationism. After, its asking strictly if you agree with the overthrow of Maduro.
Which, to be clear, I support. Maduro is a thug and a negative influence not only in the world but of course to his own people. Im not gonna defend Maduro's non-existent right to rule. And lets not preach from the comfort of our own living rooms about how "revolutions/overthrows must always come from the people." Easier said than done, and sometimes the pragmatic and best option is to slime baby hitler.
All that to say, I dont like the nature of how it unfolded, the lawlessness of it all, the bad moral standing it puts us in. However, he needed to go, and youre not gonna get a good answer asking a question like that.
you need to look at the rest of the charts. even with the faulty phasing you dont see this level of skew on the same question with “non-maga republicans”.
Been this way for a decade, even pre-MAGA: https://imgur.com/a/YZMyt
The important distinction must be: the government clarified that we truly do not care how Venezuela turns out as a result of this.
More likely that the popularity spiked when everybody realized that the war was over in hours
Love the meme. Keep up the good work.
How is "MAGA Republican" being defined here? Or are we just saying that's all Republicans now?
They do it by asking the responder first if they consider themselves as such.
You can pretty well dismiss polls that try and make such a distinction, because in reality there isn't one.
Please no. I have to believe there is a chance I can vote R again some day
NATO flair not beating the allegations.
I can be delusional in hopes for another liberal Republican
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I would think a member of r/neoliberal would understand that liberal =/= leftist and Republicans of (recent) years gone by are liberals
Support our Troops!
link me the poll without the meme please.
They literally have no minds. They just follow Dear Leader.
Yeah funny how we had fools in this sub doing the exact same thing. The guy who tried to overturn elections when he lost. Let's let him send armies to other nations. What could possibly go wrong?