[Highlight] A better replay angle of Amen Thompson fouling Tim Hardaway Jr. with his left shin prior to inbound, with 2.3 seconds remaining in regulation
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  • 2034 points cookomputer

    They pulled the sky cam they used last season on LeBron 😂

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    391 points Milly-the-Kid

    The one that made Doris Burke say “oh no”?

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    9 points Ok-Air3126

    That was a good moment in time.

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    68 points LurkerFailsLurking

    This is the same cam they used to check whether the AG buzzer beater dunk in the Nuggets/Clippers series got off in time. I'd never seen this angle before that, must've missed the time you're talking about.

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    37 points McRon_i

    It was when LeBron fouled Ant on a last minute play that they initially called out of bounds on Ant. This replay showed LeBron hit his arm and led to points for the wolves, helping them pull off the win.

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    9 points AffectionateFace5858

    The Bron one was also last years playoffs in the first round

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    5 points kiroks

    Bro the Kenton one was the first. I felt real cheated bro. Shit was crazy

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    90 points [deleted]

    [deleted]

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    10 points pokemonbatman23

    They used it for nuggets/clippers series for Gordon's buzzer beater alley oop dunk

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    140 points HugeZookeepergame815

    L’ebron got pstd seeing this camera angle come out

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    25 points supportvectorspace

    He sufferin from that pspsps

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    12 points TwoProper4220

    I honestly thought this wouldn't be seen again LOL

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  • 1332 points T1HiShin

    They couldn’t show this one angle on the main feed?? Showed us 47 replays of the front facing angle that shows nothing instead lmao.

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    361 points Apotheosis62

    This was the very last replay the Nuggets Broadcast showed so it might have just been the national broadcast didn't have it in time.

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    124 points andresigora

    Only Denver's broadcast showed it. Houston showed a different one than Peacock (all shitty angles), but only showed THJr tripping on himself

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    80 points Apotheosis62

    This is really the key angle that needs to be shown on the broadcast for people to not be mad

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    23 points holdenfords

    it’s one of those weird situations where thompson bumps his leg inwards just enough for him to trip himself

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    63 points AffectionateFace5858

    Wherever I was getting my feed from showed this angle

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    26 points HashCollector

    Bootleg always the goat

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    20 points PrivilegedPatriarchy

    Link 3, I believe

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    2 points fowlflamingo

    Always

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    21 points Ok_Possible_5702

    the Altitude network showed it

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    33 points [deleted]

    [deleted]

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    33 points Betaateb

    I mean, a foul is a foul. Accident is irrelevant. If you trip a guy on an inbounds it is absolutely a "basketball" foul.

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    17 points Apotheosis62

    it really sucks when great games have weird things happen at the end for sure

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    9 points SpirituallyAwareDev

    I mean. The result was just more basketball in OT. It didnt decide the game entirely

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    10 points elhuachilango

    All the replays from Peacock seemed to not show any alternative angles and often just repeated the same inconclusive vantage point.

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    3 points lowkeyslightlynerdy

    Peacock broadcast somehow seems to have worse replay angles than TNT

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  • 359 points Supermoose7178

    the zapruder tape of r/nba

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    63 points bullseye717

    You can that he was fouling back and to the left

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    21 points scags2017

    Udoka to Hardaway:

    “Nice game pretty boy”

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    3 points chicken_pear

    "back and to the left."

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  • 1173 points earora4498

    I've gotta delete some comments

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    170 points joe4553

    I swear they didn't show this angle.

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    176 points PlaneNovel6567

    They only did on the nuggets broadcast…the peacock crew somehow missed it

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    57 points SpeakWithoutFear

    It was like last second on the Nuggets replay. Like as Murray was shooting the free throw. So it was probably just late getting out. And then peaxock didn't go back to it.

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    20 points LoyalSol

    It wasn't even last second. You can see this was right after the announcement of the call. That's why the announcer is going "ooooh" because he was surprised by it initially. You can see it was before Murray even lined up for the free throw.

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    8 points 3rdtryatremembering

    Which of course made all the Nuggets fans sound like homers lol

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    16 points LoyalSol

    Nuggets broadcast had it in like less than two minutes of the review. No idea why the Peacock one couldn't get it.

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    209 points Different_Eye3562

    You and many others 😁

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    75 points HumbleWorkerAnt

    honestly as a football (soccer) fan where this happens constantly it was so crystal clear from the first replay i saw in the og post. any time you see someone appearing to 'kick themselves' when turning in front of someone chasing them, it's almost always a light clip to the trailing foot which then hits the runner's own leg and causes a tumble, it's textbook and I was so annoyed that they kept talking about hands, or the later kick, and never showed the important part which was this, the initial imbalance.

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    158 points _smilax

    respect honestly, garbage peacock crew did no one any favors

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    5 points Call555JackChop

    Nah it’s 2025 just double down and say this was AI

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    17 points Fine_Lengthiness_341

    Even without this angle I feel like it’s pretty obvious what happened, on all the replays Hardaway loses balance when their legs come together before the screen just need some level of intelligence

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  • 639 points MrBuckBuck

    Some of you in the comments of the previous post said there was a better angle on the Nuggets' broadcast, they were right.

    Edit: If you want to see how the Rockets announcers reacted (with more replays) - via Reddit

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    247 points AvengingHero2012

    Yeah… I was withholding judgement until I saw this angle. That’s a foul.

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    98 points Apotheosis62

    Yeah it really sucks cause they just get tangled enough but its just a weird one.

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    43 points nG_Skyz

    It's pretty borderline contact but at the end of the day it causes Hardaway to trip which affects the play. Right call imo but only just.

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    20 points KasherH

    Yeah, I'm a pretty big "there should be way more non-calls" person but if the ref had a good view of this, that is a foul. That is good reffing they are getting slammed for.

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    3 points AleroRatking

    Which sadly is the norm more often than not.

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    12 points XDBoy018

    im neutral and pretty new to basketball, so genuinely trying to understand: how would this be a foul? does all contact mean foul except "natural shooting motion"? cause it looks like amen didn't do this willingly?

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    73 points Caff2ine

    It doesn’t need to be a shooting motion to be a foul. A foul is any illegal contact that impedes an opponent’s movement or ability to play, whether the ball is involved or not.

    Here, contact to the back of the leg while a player is running at full speed is not “incidental.” Even a light kick to the calf or heel from behind disrupts the natural stride cycle, which is why he goes down. The fall is the result, the foul is the contact that caused the loss of balance.

    Hardaway Jr. also has a right to: • the space he’s already occupying, and • the direct line of motion he’s currently moving in.

    The only way to legally stop that is to establish your own space first, meaning you get set in front of him so he runs into you. You don’t get to take away someone’s lane by reaching, clipping, or contacting their legs from behind.

    That’s why the defender trailing matters. When you’re behind a moving offensive player, any contact to the legs is on the defender, because you’re reacting, not establishing legal guarding position. You can’t clip someone’s legs just because the ball isn’t in their hands.

    This is why it’s an off-ball foul. Intent doesn’t matter, and shooting motion doesn’t matter. It’s illegal contact that disrupts a basketball movement.

    Defensively, the goal is to block the offensive player with your body and position, not your arms. If the offensive player creates an angle to slide past or get in front, the defender can only make marginal contact. Once contact goes beyond that and affects balance or movement, it’s a foul.

    In this clip, Hardaway Jr. gets position, Thompson is recovering from behind, gets too close, and accidentally kicks him. That contact is more than marginal because it directly causes the fall.

    A simple way to think about it: imagine two players as circles moving toward intersecting paths. The one who arrives first establishes the space. The other has to go around, not through.

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    26 points PlasticPresentation1

    Another simpler way to think is - if it wasn't a foul this would be so easily abused to gain an advantage as a defender

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    12 points Befozz

    Yeah but you can see why it’s confusing to casual watchers when there can be SOOOO much contact in another situation without a foul called, then in a situation like this there is extremely minimal incidental contact that everyone used to justify a foul? An off ball trip is obviously different than a physical post up it’s so inconsistent what type and how much contact is allowed

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    2 points ElChapo1515

    I don’t think accidentally making slight contact with the back of a player’s foot as they’re running is very easy to abuse lol

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    6 points XDBoy018

    thanks! this clears things up. especially this:

    Intent doesn’t matter, and shooting motion doesn’t matter. It’s illegal contact that disrupts a basketball movement.

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    15 points tickub

    an accidental trip is still a trip unfortunately

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    54 points rustyjames0

    Some Houston fans deleting comments on your other post

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    19 points skurkles

    This is why you’re the goat

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  • 461 points Frosty-Roof3124

    It’s light but anyone who has played sports knows that any leg-to-leg contact while running full speed can knock you off your feet. Hardaway didn’t just coincidentally fall down as it happened

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  • 218 points Outside_Tear6538

    The Peacock angles were so bad. That's a trip.

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    49 points Bovine_Joni_Himself

    Crazy. I’m glad I watched the Nuggets broadcast that showed all the angles. I get why people who saw the Peacock one would be pissed.

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  • 323 points Spyk124

    Why wouldn’t the broadcast show this angle to the millions of people watching the game ? How braindead can you be ?

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    123 points Gordo--

    The Peacock broadcast might not have had access to this angle.

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    33 points livefreeordont

    Can’t afford it or something?

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    33 points Apotheosis62

    Came in SUPER late on the Nuggets broadcast so might legit not have gotten there

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    36 points Betaateb

    Walmart owns that tape, gotta pay the big bucks for it!

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    5 points Gordo--

    I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I'm pretty sure there's more than 1 camera crew for the different broadcasts. So, Peacock was only showing the replays of the angles they had access to.

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    10 points SpeakWithoutFear

    I think it was just super late coming out. The Denver broadcast didn't even show it until Murray was shooting the FT.

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  • 177 points Particular_Factor563

    Thank you for posting

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  • 214 points dankq

    Can you post this on our team sub, they are having a full on melt down over this and I don't want to get harassed.

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    106 points Personal-Finance-943

    You made the right call not posting it. Someone else did and the sub still thinks it's a shit call. 

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    93 points dankq

    I knew the vibes. Brought up how the Rockets would likely have been headed home with a W if Sengun didn't bitch at the refs and let the Rockets get scored on 4v5 then picked up a technical followed by Udoka getting a technical and had ppl telling me that I'm an idiot and I should never watch sports. Their hearts just wont let their brain believe what their eyes are seeing.

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    53 points Personal-Finance-943

    If it's any consolation all fan bases have a ton of people who can't watch a game/play objectively. Good luck moving forward, hopefully we can have a 7 game series like tonight minus the refs injecting themselves all over the place. 

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    27 points dankq

    Oh absolutely, there are some really dope people on the subreddit that you could talk ball with all day but man does it get bad on game days and I'm starting to wonder how many of these people are just degenerate gamblers upset that their money is about to go down the drain.

    I think if everyone stays healthy that the Rockets vs Nuggets matchup will be inevitable and I think it will be an incredible series for everyone to watch.

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    2 points ruggnuget

    The Nuggets sub after losses is only the worst people all justifying every single little thing, either saying its unfair or everyone sucks and needs to be traded/fired. I bet a lot of team subs are like that

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    20 points amidon1130

    Someone posted it and it's being explained away lol

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    26 points SpeakWithoutFear

    Lol. Sacrificial down vote getter. Why you gotta do the man like that

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  • 76 points PeopleCallMeSimon

    Man if there is someone you can trust to get to the truth on r/NBA its u/MrBuckBuck

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    29 points Apotheosis62

    Subreddit MVP for sure

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    18 points -xXxMangoxXx-

    He’s basically been carrying this subs clip game for years. There’s a few other dudes that post but no one comes close to my goat u/MrBuckBuck

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  • 100 points dylanh334

    THANK YOU, I was losing my mind in the other post. It's a clear foul with this angle, even if it's super unlucky.

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    31 points tinybathroomfaucet

    You can see it with the peacock angles too. People just want to hate on the refs too badly

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    12 points OUEngineer17

    Yeah, the ref hate is getting really out of control. It's starting to taint this entire sub.

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  • 105 points kimmyjonghubaccount

    Straight ignorance in the post game thread lol. Not anyone’s fault tho. Call it soft if you want but that is a trip.

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    64 points Redditfaceguy

    Game thread was wilding…OKC fans came out of the woodwork and went nuts in there lmao

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    42 points RandomDeezNutz

    Weird how they aren’t in here…

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    12 points SiddaSlotthh

    I saw that its hilarious. An account called "shai fan club" actively agenda posting about this, you can't make this shi up lmfao

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    7 points bittermctitters

    Legit hilarious. u/shaifanclub posting the article about Rockets coach throwing a fit about officiating. As if there’s a single person in the world who should be whining about refs lol

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    9 points Kombuja

    Reminds me of MVPiid a few years ago. Dude was all over nuggets game threads.

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  • 161 points Formal-Daikon-2255

    Where the rocket fans at

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    139 points Apotheosis62

    in the other tread downvoting everyone

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    31 points HakeemMcGrady

    I’m too heartbroken to downvote anyone. Good game, Jokic is a monster (pls retire soon)

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    23 points Apotheosis62

    Thats fair IMO (also please do not retire soon)

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    55 points Nicktastic86

    Also in this thread saying it's okay because oopsie it was just a wittle accident and it's no big deal

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    27 points BurstPanther

    I really liked the ones that immediately came into the Nuggets sub game thread.

    Like we haven't also lost some close games on some equally unclear calls this season alone.

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  • 68 points homerdonutduffdonut

    Foul every day and twice on Sunday, OKC fans can finally stop crying.

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    26 points Redditfaceguy

    Hilarious you say OKC fans because they really were the main party going wild over this…their hate for Jokic while also claiming Jokic has no haters is honestly impressive.

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  • 138 points J0k3r4Thr33

    Clear foul tbh lol

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    44 points That_Jerk_Over_There

    Yeah, any middle schooler could tell you how easy it is to trip someone by kicking their foot as they begin to swing it forward for the next step

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    5 points ElChapo1515

    Wouldn’t really call this “kicking their foot” though.

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  • 12 points TheMoonWasBlue

    Bunch of dumb dumbs complaining about the Thompson call against THJ because they were watching the morons on Peacock, who were slobbing on Houston all game.

    The rest of the world saw the overhead angle.

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  • 28 points OkGuy5000

    /r/nba is so fucking annoying. They either want less calls, or they complain about things not being called. It's a constant bitch fest over and over. Which is it guys? Would you rather they call fouls less or more?

    This is a foul which would have ruined the OOB play in the final seconds if not called. Is that better? No, obviously not, people would be bitching the other way, then.

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  • 66 points tyronemartins2

    Yeah that’s fucking your run up 10/10 times. Sucks but it’s a foul

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  • 10 points lolxddavid

    The god damn Hubble Telescope camera angle

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  • 60 points bdybwyi

    People have made up their minds damage is done that it was ref rigged on this play

    Sad state of affairs in the nba world

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  • 39 points Recallingg

    Woah they released the Shin Files?!

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  • 36 points dr_no12

    Literally a foul. The Amen push call in OT was bad, but this was a very legit call.

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  • 22 points ESMoriarty

    Putting down my pitchfork

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  • 19 points Absoera

    dammit, as a nuggets fan i was like, FINALLY the refs are rigging it in our direction tonight!

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  • 23 points TreeAgenda

    This camera fucking kills me every time it appears. They could literally just use it all the time, but choose to crack it out every couple months like an Anime hero. Hilarious.

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  • 112 points spiderpigface

    Delete this, it goes against the narrative

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    16 points jeric13xd

    Why tf did Peacock have the shittiest angles lmao

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    6 points _smilax

    They did it before on the Bruce Brown "unsafe closeout" play too, just kept showing the same view that gave little to no information

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    64 points Recallingg

    Narrative should actually be that every broadcast of this game except the Nuggets one completely fucked up by not showing this replay. Rare big time W by the Altitude broadcast.

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    18 points son_of_a_teacher_man

    They owe it to us after making us watch entire possessions from the opposite shot clock camera

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    12 points Apotheosis62

    Hate that camera its the worst

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    9 points eyeinthesky0

    It oughta be banned in all of basketball.

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    13 points Not_RZA_

    I mean 99% of us were watching on Peacock/NBC and they never showed this angle

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  • 49 points Propuhganduh

    Okay I take back what I said. This is a foul.

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  • 22 points MarsMC_

    To the top.. seen it from the bad angle and seen this on the nuggets broadcast

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    [deleted]

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    8 points Gordo--

    I saw it as well, but they really didn't have a good angle of it, and kept showing the replay that had the actual trip outside of view.

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  • 50 points jonsnowKITN

    Clear foul. You can't ignore this one Rockets fans.

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  • 25 points vladimir_pimpin

    You’re telling me the nba player didn’t just like fall over randomly

    And the nba replay center didn’t just ignore a clean play to rig it for the media juggernaut nuggets?

    Crazy man, crazy. Unserious association of nations baskets I think

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    8 points petarisawesomeo

    Lmao, hello friend

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  • 63 points [deleted]

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  • 14 points Key-Handle-1805

    yeah ok that makes a lot more sense

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  • 12 points Anxious_Blueberry_65

    Oh god its the lebron cam making a comeback

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  • 34 points LubeDaddy

    So it was the right call after all

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  • 7 points sukari

    Man this bird's eye view cam stays goated

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  • 6 points davoarid

    The other great part of the Nuggets broadcast during the review was that it caught some audio of THJ saying "they sayin' I tripped on MYSELF???"

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  • 18 points Old_Supermarket_7575

    Eh, that’s a foul

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  • 27 points heat_fan_

    It's a foul lol

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  • 26 points Coke_ButNotTheDrug

    Oh shit it actually was a foul lol I really thought we got bailed out

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    4 points Absoera

    i was excited that silver was on our side for once. nope, still hates us.

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  • 6 points TheConboy22

    Saw a foot to foot contact call during the Suns game.

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  • 6 points All_In_zzzz

    Seeing this angle gives me solace. I'm glad they made the right call.

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  • 23 points Apotheosis62

    So can we agree its a trip now.

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  • 13 points Rushman0

    You can clearly see THJ's third leg tripping himself, obv bad ref call

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  • 10 points livefreeordont

    Peacock wtf u doing not showing this to us

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  • 4 points TummyHertzBad

    Why didn’t they show this on the main broadcast lol

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  • 4 points mnight84

    Peacock got to do better! Because this controversy could have been avoided if they had the same camera angle!

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  • 7 points Project1573

    Okay definitely a foul now that I see a proper angle, why was this not shown on the broadcast..?

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  • 3 points Raj2324

    Haven't seen this angle since our series vs minny from last year hahaha

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  • 3 points SoulofWakanda

    CIA angle

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  • 3 points AbbreviationsNew6200

    Very telling when those pea brains in the other thread ain't saying shi or commenting here 😂

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  • 3 points Glove_Upset

    Finally the sky cam does something useful

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  • 20 points DentistFun2776

    Extremely obvious foul

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  • 4 points khahk

    The best angle i've seen is actually at this post (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1pntxk3/highlight\_with\_23\_seconds\_remaining\_in\_regulation/) from 1:01-1:02 at the far right corner. Look at the way THJ's feet snaps back from the contact causing him to stumble immediately after.

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  • 5 points RedboneEdit

    That’s incidental contact, bs call

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    2 points bigben998

    Yeah have to agree. If he would've kept his balance or just stumbled without falling then no call probably.

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  • 8 points dragonshokan

    Not a foul, that’s incidental. Refs just wanted to increase chances of OT which is what they’re instructed to do. Corrupt league…

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  • 8 points Victor_Wembanyama1

    Honestly feels soft lol

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    3 points Gyff3

    There are no levels to a trip. You either trip the guy or you don't. He was the guy getting the ball on this inbound and the trip took him out of the play.

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  • 14 points Blackmalico32

    When is a foul incidental?

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    28 points orhantemerrut

    I think this is incidental, but considering the context, it's also very consequential. I was angry when they called it at the time, but yeah, you have to call this at that moment 9f the game.

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    24 points Just4Money

    Tripping is a foul regardless of incidental contact.

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    4 points livefreeordont

    Not always. You see guys get tangled up off ball on fastbreaks sometimes and they usually dont call a foul

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    11 points BurstPanther

    And this is exactly the issue with the way the nba is officiated. Completely subjective and not consistent.

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    9 points -xXxMangoxXx-

    It being incidental doesn’t change he still fell because of it and it likely ruined the nuggets play as a result. Intent to foul doesn’t change whether or not a foul occurred.

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    8 points LoyalSol

    Trips are always called regardless of intention. That's because people would abuse the rule and "play dumb" like they didn't just take your legs out from under you.

    Which is dangerous because tripping can really cause injury if you're not nipping that one.

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    8 points nanopicofared

    intent doesn't matter - tripping is always a foul

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    4 points ruggnuget

    incidental is when the contact doesnt affect the play. This contact did impact the play, as it tripped THJ

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  • 8 points entropy26

    So marginal. I see why it wasn't overturned once they reviewed it but I don't know how you make that call in the moment. It wasn't even a live ball and its not like he pushed him. Sengun obviously gets pushed hard in the back towards the end of OT on a board and that's a no call but this warrants a FT to tie the game? I'm obviously salty but things broke more in favor of the nuggets tonight for sure.

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  • 2 points Asswad123

    Does only Denver do these AC-130 camera views? Never seen it at any other arena.

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  • 4 points zggystardust71

    From that angle I'll agree he was fouled. From the other replays I'd wondered why they called it.

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  • 4 points howbedebody

    tacky call

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  • 4 points fuckthemods12344566

    As a Nuggets fan, It’s still a shit call.

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  • 10 points huykhoi1

    I thought we got saved by ref, turn out it was a trip lol

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  • 6 points thePHEnomIShere

    Post this on every NBA subreddit they cookin the nuggets

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  • 9 points LamboJoeRecs

    Thompson's hand was contributing contact as well. This was undoubtably the correct call.

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  • 7 points PowerAuer69

    I’m sorry this was a foul? Come on

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  • 5 points Whotoie

    Crow tastes like shit in case yall wondering

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  • 5 points meatwagon25

    The thing is though if you watch the ref who called the foul he gave the sign like he fouled him by bumping him with his body so the ref clearly didnt see what  happened. He just reacted to a player falling to the ground so he called a foul which is a joke. It happens all the time too and it has to stop. 

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    3 points RansomGoddard

    Not sure what you're talking about. The ref raised his clenched fist which is the signal for personal foul and then pointed at his feet which usually means a trip (the NBA doesn't have an official signal for tripping, only pushing, but there are other ref handbooks that use this signal).

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  • 7 points BeautifulCable8980

    Unlucky for Thompson. Very flukish.

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  • 17 points pskill43

    I think those are the calls that once it’s made, it cannot be overturned. But if THJ didn’t fall no one would have noticed

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    60 points [deleted]

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    14 points Ok_Possible_5702

    yea exactly. A no call stays a no call, wouldn't even be reviewed. But if you call it and challenge it, you can't overturn it because clearly there is contact upon review.

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  • 2 points HeyLookItsShyGuy

    Will not apologise for my anger in the live moments as the feed I watched did not show this angle. Regardless, we got outplayed in OT, GG Denver, see you lads in a few days for the next game

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  • 14 points Nike_86

    That's actually a great angle and I probably come off as bias but couldn't that be deemed marginal af?

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    34 points Anti-Dentite_97

    I think if it causes a trip even incidental contact is technically a foul.

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    12 points 59173365129

    That amount of contact would definitely be marginal if it was a regular foul but not for a tripping foul.

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    44 points Ok_Possible_5702

    I don't think you could have marginal contact on tripping fouls. Players are moving at high speeds on weird angles and they're always barely on balance - even a minimal contact is enough to make them lose their balance.

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    13 points Propuhganduh

    I thought marginal contact is mainly contact that doesn’t affect or barely affects a play.

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    22 points Apotheosis62

    Not when it causes him to fall

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    25 points dinonuggies3210

    It looks marginal in slow motion, but imagine you are running full speed and someone basically kicks your foot. It’s a fluke but it’ll definitely knock you down. 

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    7 points Betaateb

    Ya, you are going down every time on this play.

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    17 points BeautifulCable8980

    Probably not because it caused player to fall without a flop.

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    7 points hacefrio2

    Trip's a trip

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    5 points LoyalSol

    Trippling is a foul where there's no such thing as marginal. For good reason.

    Imagine if people were intentionally tripping each other "accidentally" all the time. That's a good way to get injuries.

    When I play pickup ball that's the one foul I'll always call because it hurts like crap to have your legs taken out from under you when you're running full speed. I tore my meniscus because someone stepped on my foot while I was driving full speed.

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    13 points nguyenjitsu

    There's a lot of marginal contact they called a foul this game it was pretty soft all around. Made for a terrible watch in the arena tbh

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    4 points joe4553

    I think for an overrule it has to pretty clear that there was nothing.

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    5 points -xXxMangoxXx-

    It’s not like THJ could have expected or predicted the hit, so for him to start falling right away suggests it was more than marginal no?

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    2 points unhampered_by_pants

    Not for a tripping foul

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  • 2 points ruggnuget

    Some interesting editing by the main feed on the replays.

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  • 2 points HeavenlyCastiel

    too fast for his own good honestly

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