Yeah, cus Avatar: Fire and Ash will only have 13 days of 2025 box office. It'll definitely pass it in total, but Avatar movies have historically started slow and then have legs
And it hit $2.3B while China, an extremely strong market for Avatar, was in the middle of a huge COVID wave that dampened its returns there, so it’s possible this one could really surprise the naysayers
The wait between 2 and 3 being much shorter compared to the one between 1 and 2 might dampen the hype around this one. It'll probably cross $1bn still, but I bet it's not gonna be as big a success as the second one was.
It helps that everyone knows the best way to see Avatar movies is in the theater in 3D. I havent been to the movies in years but Avatar will get me there.
It has no geeky fandom because there's nothing else to consume. There aren't a massive amount of cartoons, books, comics, video games, etc to enjoy, just the now 3 films and a little bit of extended media. There's nothing really to digest between films, so it seems there is little to discuss. It's clear general audiences seem to love the world and story though, so until proven otherwise it will continue to likely do well.
I don't love this Avatar personally (much more of a TLA fan haha) but that section of Animal Kingdom is really awesome, as is Galaxy's Edge. The attention to detail that those and also the Wizarding World over at Universal have blows my mind, really enjoyed my time there.
Ditto with HP. I’m not even the biggest fan of the franchise, but I was blown away when I saw both Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade (the one based on Fantastic Beasts was underwhelming, though it had a great ride).
Some of the most immersive theme park production quality that I’ve ever seen. There were so many millennial women there who were absolutely giddy, I couldn’t even act surprised.
I got imax seat for Thursday because the tech is awe inspiring. I spent a lot of A2 amazed at how they animated the water falling off the skin of space whales. And the world is super cool
It truly is an interesting phenomenon. I'm into a lot of geeky IPs (Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Harry Potter, gaming series like The Elder Scrolls, Borderlands, Pokemon etc.) and you'd think Avatar would be right up my alley but for some reason I just don't find it that interesting. Visually beautiful for sure and I don't hate it or anything, I just don't feel very attached to it.
I think it may be the characters and how they tell the stories themselves, but obviously many people adore them so I don't quite get it. It's not like I have a high bar for writing quality and stuff if the spectacle and feelings evoked are good (clearly, I know my preferences are reflective of that lol).
Yeah at this point everyone wants to see the end of the movies so no one is gonna miss out. Plus Cameron's moves are more about the event, visuals and action.
I've seen all of his movies in the theater. As much as I dislike the movie going experience these days I'll go see Avatar.
Avatar will be the third film I’ve been to the cinema to see this year and the first where my going wasn’t prompted by babysitting niblings. I despise the cinema experience these days but the Avatar films are worth the big screen.
Haven’t been to the movies in over a year and I even have tickets for Avatar already. Every theatre in my city and the neighboring city is sold out for the first few days.
Also keep in mind that the entire point of seeing Avatar in theaters is the 3D technology and 3D movies cost more. So on average, an avatar ticket will be more expensive than a zootopia ticket.
Definitely pretty big, but maybe not as massive as China by the sounds of it. I have a pretty limited sample size, since I work as a nanny for a handful of families, but some of my kiddos are going crazy about it, and some seem not to care at all.
Disney, internally, doesn’t really think much of their animal movies. The human movies are considered the true prestige pieces. Famously Lion King was made by the B team because everybody good wanted on Pocahontas
Hollywood seriously underestimates the power of furries, it isn’t just about cute animal people, it’s having characters with natures pretty known to us being so different that people can put themselves in the character no matter what they look like.
It’s like the golden answer to having self-inserts in movies for fans to put themselves in, no having to think about races or human appearances, just start by putting themselves most relatable animal for the plot. Up against the world? Tiny rabbit or fox. Above the world? A lion or wolf.
your self-insert point doesn't really feel like anything tbh, idk anyone who can more easily self insert into an animal than a human character regardless of race. I don't mind watching animal characters but I definitely don't feel a connection like that in the slightest to them. I cannot self insert into a rabbit lol
What kind of adult person has an easier time self-inserting as an animal rather than someone of a different race...?
Cartoon/animal characters are popular with kids because they're more visually expressive than humans, and therefore it's easier to quickly identify their feelings, personalities, and roles. Maybe that applies to people with ASD too.
I don't think that's the point - it's that animals come with stereotypes that audiences can quickly relate with. You can look up images of Zootopia characters without knowing anything about them and pretty much guess what they're about. From there an audience member can pick out the character that is most like them, like the big powerful Chief Bogo the Buffalo. or Nick Wilde the sly fox.
It's also why it's so funny when they subvert those tropes like having an overweight Cheetah or a crime boss who is a tiny little Shrew
Back in the day, Walt Disney Animation Studios didn’t used to make sequels. The follow-up to Fantasia came nearly 60 years later, and none of the direct-to-video movies Disney shoveled out in the 90s-2000s were made by Walt Disney Animation Studios.
You thought this was a Pixar movie? Don't you worry I thought the same for the longest time ever ,I swear. Same for the Wreck it Ralph and Frozen movies
Massive worldbuilding. It feels very much like an RPG world, in terms of the sheer volume of characters and locations and concepts that have been taken from our world and shaped into an anthropomorphized one.
The humor and premise (predators coexisting with prey) is a good bit darker than we usually see in big-budget animated movies. It's dystopian, it's morality tale, and it's hard-knocks backgrounds for characters.
As long as they don't half-ass productions, they could make these forever because the foundation sticks the landing automatically.
Bigger than that is the characters are animals and not people of a specific ethnicity. It allows the movie to be popular in every country instead of a select few. It wouldn't be as big in China for example if all the characters were white people.
Bigger than that is the characters are animals and not people of a specific ethnicity.
This right here.
I am GENUINELY shocked at the lack of more animated films that involve just furries I suppose.
Casting your characters as animals completely bypasses the race and ethnicity issue and allows any person to easily relate to that character depending on how well written they are.
It's not a perfect formula--see The Lion King prequel, but it definitely can work if given the care it deserves.
Yeah very true they can be whatever race you want. For me I always think of Nick as an Irish person and Judy as a Hispanic person if they were humans. Primarily cause of European rabbits originating from Spain and Irish people were treated pretty poorly back in the 19th century.
The humor and premise is a good bit darker than we usually see in big-budget animated movies.
It's dystopian, it's morality tale, and it's hard-knocks backgrounds for characters.
I always liked how they had the damn Godfather in a mister big supporting role and also freaking Walter White and Jesse Pinkman doing cameos in the first movie, thats some good shit and not something you'd see on every kids movie
I work at a theater and haven’t had the time to watch it but caught the post credit scene, dunno what it is but had the vibes of “TO BE CONTINUED SOON”
I'm not sure we'll ever get fish as sentient persons after they were just throwing them into a grinder this movie lol. I mean, the predators have to eat something unless they go full Lion King with Simba just eating grubs
Yeah I meant in the sense of cultural significance/hype for furries around the world not just China. Also yeah they are definitely green lighting the second trilogy as we speak.
Hear me out: Cameron would make even more money if he also portrayed gay sex and relations among the Na’vi. Maybe less audience, but definitely more money…
I think it has more to do with meeting expectations. Most pop-culture adaptation/sequel blockbusters (Star Wars, Marvel, Borderlands, etc.) have been garbage as of late, spiritual successors like Disney reimaginings are a mixed bag, and modern live-action filmmaking has changed in the streaming age. All of it has generally eroded trust in the ability of a movie to not be a disappointment.
Certain animated franchises however are safe until proven wrong. I don't expect to love the next Avatar more than the last two, but I'm guessing it's going to be a fantastic IMAX experience. Zooptopia was a rich, well-developed world, with a brand of humor that was just a bit darker than typical Disney animated fare - all of which points to a sequel doing well as long as word-of-mouth and reviews weren't bagging on it.
This is true but only when families actually go, which increasingly they aren’t. Disney overcame parents’ tendency to just wait for movies to come to Disney+, so this box office is still impressive imo
Specifically kids movies from established franchises. There’s a bunch of box office duds in the past year, including one from Disney/Pixar called Elio.
I thoroughly enjoyed Elio (any film that quotes Carl Sagan really) but it had absolutely zero support from Disney and no advertising. It’s just a theory, but I think they did it on purpose just to prove that all people want are remakes.
Elio falls into a sporting term: the AAAA baseball player.
In baseball the top minor league is AAA. After that you’re in the majors (MLB). There are players who are too good for AAA but not good enough for the majors. They go up and they fail. They go down and they excel but also take the slot of a kid who could develop into being a Major leaguer.
This is Elio. Too good for streaming. Not good enough for theaters. When Disney held focus groups they were asked “who liked it” and everybody did. Then they asked “would you go to a theater for it” and nobody would.
That’s why they didn’t bother advertising. It just wasn’t going to move the needle.
We see this in football (soccer) in England. There are teams that are not good enough for the Premier League but area little too good for the Championship (the next level down), so they yo-yo between the two leagues every few seasons.
I enjoyed Elio aswell, but i also think it was a little middle of the road. Tonally it was a bit all over the place. Started out rather dark and serious and then turned into a „silly“ alien friendship story.
I wish it wouldve made some of its darker moments more impactful and important throughout the movie
It's funny, because the kids who were watching Zootopia when it released are now adults or close to it. I could see this benefitting from the Toy Story 3 effect.
The biggest reason movie theaters are failing is because most people are content to wait 2-3 months until the movie hits streaming, outside of a few major franchises and spectacle films.
Best of luck telling your kids that they have to wait 3 months to see Zootopia 2 after they have watched the original 1,373 times.
Guys, is it good or at least at the same level as the first one? I have free time tomorrow and I want to know if it's worth going to. I liked the first one.
It's excellent, would probably go as far to say it's the best thing Disneys put out in YEARS and I'd lost faith in them after the shitshow that Moana 2 was. Story is great but visually it's stunning.
I'd be willing to bet Avatar 3 will beat Ne Zha 2.
The audience is rather limited for Ne Zha, it basically made almost its entire box office from China alone. Conversely, Avatar has historically done very well all over the world, especially in China.
I went and saw Ne Zha 2 in theaters. Mid day, mid week. I was the ONLY person in the theater. I sat middle of the theater and just had a grand old time _^
I'll be honest, the only reason I didn't mention it is because the only thing I remember about it is the hot tub scene, lol. Which is legendary TBF, but I couldn't remember if the rest of it lived up to that.
Lion King 2 is good, but it's almost painful how much it wants to be major production. I bet you if they had really put their weight behind it, it woulda bought traditional animation another film or two at Disney
Other than the animation being impressive in Down Under, I frankly dont remember anything good about it. Meanwhile I enjoyed the villian in the original Rescurers and the little girl was very cute.
But I agree Twist in Time is not as good as the OG. I think I just enjoyed that it actually felt like a decent time with some interesting plot elements.
Just watched it today with my SO and friends and we all thought it was pretty good, though the themes and messages given in the first two movies already give me ideas of what they will do with the 3rd movie considering the ending.
My idea:
I suspect the 3rd movie will involve Nick and Judy becoming guardians to an egg. The bird pops out and does the whole imprinting thing. They will become a "mommy and daddy".
Judy Hopps discovers that she is pregnant and informs her boyfriend Nick Wilde. He is overjoyed at the prospect of becoming a father, but Judy confesses that she does not want to keep the child. Judy states that she did not use contraception during sex as she assumed that they would not be able to conceive; she expresses fear that their child will be a "freak" and concern over her own health, along with the pregnancy potentially jeopardizing her job at the ZPD. When Nick accuses Judy of "killing" their child to advance her career, she angrily slaps him across the face before frantically apologizing. Nick silently packs a bag while Judy pleads with him not to leave her. Nick reminds Judy that he loves her because of the good things she has done and says that her abortion would rob their child of a chance to do the same. Judy refuses, insisting on bodily autonomy.
When questioned why she didn't simply keep her pregnancy a secret, Judy strongly believed that he deserved to know. Nick ends their relationship and leaves, sadly assuring her that he will be fine. Alone in her apartment, a distraught Judy collapses to the floor in tears
Birds were driven off of the surface after mammals became more dominant and used advanced technology to live in the sky. They want to reclaim the surface and declare war on land/water animals. They feel, as descendants of dinosaurs, they are rightful rulers of the surface.
2019 was the closest that the top 10 movies of the year were all billion dollar films, 9 of the 10 made it to 1B. 2025 has 3 so far with Avatar 3 potentially being the 4th.
I went to the movies more this year than I did since before COVID.
Superman
Fantastic Four
Bring Her Back
Eddington
The Naked Gun
The Toxic Avenger
Wolf Man
Captain America 4
Clown in a Cornfield
Friendship
Final Destination 6
Jurassic World
28 Years Later
The Long Walk
I am probably forgetting some and there was a lot more I wanted to see that I just didn't have time to. It's been years since there have been so many options at the theatre.
Based on what? 2025's domestic total is on track to beat 2024's. Worldwide will be close. 2023 was the year of the megabudget bomb, while 2025 is the year of the modestly budgeted hit (several of them being original IPs, to boot.)
More importantly, I'd say the average quality of 2025 beats either of those previous years.
So Disney, with all these lovely billions, how about spending a fraction of that to finally making all your theatrical and short films available on Blu-Ray forever?
"The Vault" is bullshit. Always has been. Prices for out of circulation titles are ridiculous, and you don't get a cut of all those sales.
My family has a holiday tradition of watching "Pluto's Christmas Tree", "Donald's Snow Fight", and several other classic shorts, and to my lasting foolishness, I let the Treasures DVDs go by without getting the select Donald Duck, Pluto, other collections with all the Chip n' Dale and other shorts that we love and which I feel are the pinnacle of the short form Disney films.
We recently got a trial of Disney Plus so we can watch the new Volume 4 of the Beatles Anthology, so we'll be able to watch a few of the holiday shorts in their best form until the trial runs out, but streaming is continuing to morph into cable 2.0, and we will not renew after the trial period because we simply refuse to pay for what we don't own but could if you made it happen. YouTube will come through for the shorts that Disney Plus doesn't have, but the quality is usually poor, and sometimes the shorts are incomplete.
"The Vault" is dumb. It robs families of the ability to replaced beloved films when they need, and of course, that a company ostensibly devoted to providing family entertainment won't make all of it available all the time is the kind of irony that you couldn't cut with a lightsaber. We love so much of what you make, so why don't you want to make us happy and make even more money by giving it to us without artificially created scarcity!
"Disney overtakes Disney."
And they might both be overtaken by Disney with the new Avatar.
And in 2026 Disney will lead again.
Are you underestimating Andy Serkis' Animal Farm?
I forgot about that abortion for almost a whole 12 hours until now.
That abortion comic is non-canon
Fuzzy, here's a rifle. Take it out behind the barn.
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Might???
Yeah, cus Avatar: Fire and Ash will only have 13 days of 2025 box office. It'll definitely pass it in total, but Avatar movies have historically started slow and then have legs
Igor Iger: "I used the Disney to destroy the Disney"
Obama putting a medal on Obama.
Which is why I shake my head at MCU and Avatar fans who try to keep their movie at number 1. It's all Disney. They love it.
"It's called a hustle, sweetheart"
Unseated by Avatar or not enough time left in the year to hit 1.3 billion?
Avatar will end up making more in the long run, but not in 1 week, lol.
Actually, while Avatar winning out is likely, Zootopia is doing so well that it could actually beat it.
There is zero chance it beats Avatar bro.
Avatar will hit $1.4b+
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And it hit $2.3B while China, an extremely strong market for Avatar, was in the middle of a huge COVID wave that dampened its returns there, so it’s possible this one could really surprise the naysayers
3 billion is possible.
The wait between 2 and 3 being much shorter compared to the one between 1 and 2 might dampen the hype around this one. It'll probably cross $1bn still, but I bet it's not gonna be as big a success as the second one was.
It helps that everyone knows the best way to see Avatar movies is in the theater in 3D. I havent been to the movies in years but Avatar will get me there.
It has no geeky fandom because there's nothing else to consume. There aren't a massive amount of cartoons, books, comics, video games, etc to enjoy, just the now 3 films and a little bit of extended media. There's nothing really to digest between films, so it seems there is little to discuss. It's clear general audiences seem to love the world and story though, so until proven otherwise it will continue to likely do well.
It has comic books and games. It had a Cirque du Soleil show. It has a Disney theme park.
No books or cartoons though.
It occupies a section of Animal Kingdom, just like how “Star Wars Land” is in Hollywood Studios.
I don't love this Avatar personally (much more of a TLA fan haha) but that section of Animal Kingdom is really awesome, as is Galaxy's Edge. The attention to detail that those and also the Wizarding World over at Universal have blows my mind, really enjoyed my time there.
Ditto with HP. I’m not even the biggest fan of the franchise, but I was blown away when I saw both Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade (the one based on Fantastic Beasts was underwhelming, though it had a great ride).
Some of the most immersive theme park production quality that I’ve ever seen. There were so many millennial women there who were absolutely giddy, I couldn’t even act surprised.
I got imax seat for Thursday because the tech is awe inspiring. I spent a lot of A2 amazed at how they animated the water falling off the skin of space whales. And the world is super cool
I got imax tickets for Thursday because these movies rock and I’m not going to qualify my statement any further than that.
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They added third person mode last week. Have been playing it all week.
It truly is an interesting phenomenon. I'm into a lot of geeky IPs (Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Harry Potter, gaming series like The Elder Scrolls, Borderlands, Pokemon etc.) and you'd think Avatar would be right up my alley but for some reason I just don't find it that interesting. Visually beautiful for sure and I don't hate it or anything, I just don't feel very attached to it.
I think it may be the characters and how they tell the stories themselves, but obviously many people adore them so I don't quite get it. It's not like I have a high bar for writing quality and stuff if the spectacle and feelings evoked are good (clearly, I know my preferences are reflective of that lol).
Avatar just doesn’t really cater to fandom culture.
They’re good movies, but nobody is looking to make them their personality like with how HP and SW gets people behaving.
They watch, they enjoy, and then they move on.
Yeah at this point everyone wants to see the end of the movies so no one is gonna miss out. Plus Cameron's moves are more about the event, visuals and action.
I've seen all of his movies in the theater. As much as I dislike the movie going experience these days I'll go see Avatar.
Avatar will be the third film I’ve been to the cinema to see this year and the first where my going wasn’t prompted by babysitting niblings. I despise the cinema experience these days but the Avatar films are worth the big screen.
Zootopia will hit $1.6B+
2B again for Cameron.
Avatar screens on the 18th of December. So for it pass Zootopia in 2025 it has to hit 1.2 billion in 13 days.
It could very will be the all time leader when its run is over though.
There's zero chance Zootopia makes less than $70M for the rest of this year.
Calendar year doesn't matter when they count best earners of the year, only release date does.
Haven’t been to the movies in over a year and I even have tickets for Avatar already. Every theatre in my city and the neighboring city is sold out for the first few days.
Don’t underestimate James Cameron
Also keep in mind that the entire point of seeing Avatar in theaters is the 3D technology and 3D movies cost more. So on average, an avatar ticket will be more expensive than a zootopia ticket.
Yeah it’s something I might see if I have absolutely nothing else to watch
Box office is based on release date. Not the money made in the calendar year. So avatar will trounce this
It’s all those Doomsday trailers! /s
(I’m totally not going to just be refreshing for the phone footage every week…)
How popular is it in the US? I'm teaching in China, and literally all of my students have seen it and are crazy about it.
Very popular. Anecdotal, but it’s the most talked about movie this year among people I know.
Not Kpop?! That movie has dominated for the last 6 months.
Also anecdotal but I found out that zootopia 2 was a thing from this post
Definitely pretty big, but maybe not as massive as China by the sounds of it. I have a pretty limited sample size, since I work as a nanny for a handful of families, but some of my kiddos are going crazy about it, and some seem not to care at all.
Popular. But not on the same level as China. Stitch and Frozen are more popular in the US
I'm still amazed after how successful the first one was they waited a decade for the sequel.
Disney, internally, doesn’t really think much of their animal movies. The human movies are considered the true prestige pieces. Famously Lion King was made by the B team because everybody good wanted on Pocahontas
Tbf they were seriously banking on Pocahontas being their next Best Picture play after Beauty and the Beast. It just didn't work out.
Hollywood seriously underestimates the power of furries, it isn’t just about cute animal people, it’s having characters with natures pretty known to us being so different that people can put themselves in the character no matter what they look like.
It’s like the golden answer to having self-inserts in movies for fans to put themselves in, no having to think about races or human appearances, just start by putting themselves most relatable animal for the plot. Up against the world? Tiny rabbit or fox. Above the world? A lion or wolf.
your self-insert point doesn't really feel like anything tbh, idk anyone who can more easily self insert into an animal than a human character regardless of race. I don't mind watching animal characters but I definitely don't feel a connection like that in the slightest to them. I cannot self insert into a rabbit lol
come on man, no need to brag.
What kind of adult person has an easier time self-inserting as an animal rather than someone of a different race...?
Cartoon/animal characters are popular with kids because they're more visually expressive than humans, and therefore it's easier to quickly identify their feelings, personalities, and roles. Maybe that applies to people with ASD too.
I don't think that's the point - it's that animals come with stereotypes that audiences can quickly relate with. You can look up images of Zootopia characters without knowing anything about them and pretty much guess what they're about. From there an audience member can pick out the character that is most like them, like the big powerful Chief Bogo the Buffalo. or Nick Wilde the sly fox.
It's also why it's so funny when they subvert those tropes like having an overweight Cheetah or a crime boss who is a tiny little Shrew
No Disney take forever to do sequels, sometimes never doing them. Doesn't matter what.
Quickest sequel they've ever made was Wreck it Ralph, with 6 years.
The Three Caballeros came out two years after Saludos Amigos
Ironic considering how they would be nothing without a mouse.
Back in the day, Walt Disney Animation Studios didn’t used to make sequels. The follow-up to Fantasia came nearly 60 years later, and none of the direct-to-video movies Disney shoveled out in the 90s-2000s were made by Walt Disney Animation Studios.
Disney take their time with sequels. Both Pixar and WDA never come out with them quick.
10 years in between Toy Story 2-3-4.
IT'S BEEN A DECADE?!! 😭 I have honestly lost all track of.time I always saw Zootopia as one of the new Pixar movies but tf
It’s not even a Pixar movie…
.... I was not prepared to feel this old and out of touch at 21
Imagine how you'll feel in 10 years 😭
You thought this was a Pixar movie? Don't you worry I thought the same for the longest time ever ,I swear. Same for the Wreck it Ralph and Frozen movies
I was not aware how big of a deal Zootopia was. Wow.
It's crazily popular in China. All my students here (I teach at a university) have seen it.
Probably also helps that Disneyland in China has Zootopia land for several years now.
Yeah and Zootopia just got an attraction in Florida about 2 weeks before the sequel came out. I think Z3 will have better domestic numbers than Z2.
The screen background of every school laptop of a top 5 university in China has a Zootopia advert on it
Yep, statistically China is full of furries
Bro’s Reddit username literally translates to “plastic bag”
They’re good movies.
World building for the first movie was really great. Awesome movie.
Zootopia has serious legs, for two reasons.
As long as they don't half-ass productions, they could make these forever because the foundation sticks the landing automatically.
Bigger than that is the characters are animals and not people of a specific ethnicity. It allows the movie to be popular in every country instead of a select few. It wouldn't be as big in China for example if all the characters were white people.
This right here.
I am GENUINELY shocked at the lack of more animated films that involve just furries I suppose.
Casting your characters as animals completely bypasses the race and ethnicity issue and allows any person to easily relate to that character depending on how well written they are.
It's not a perfect formula--see The Lion King prequel, but it definitely can work if given the care it deserves.
Yes, and the real-world-ish setting means that the script can be edited to fit just about any culture out there that happens to have movie theaters.
Yeah very true they can be whatever race you want. For me I always think of Nick as an Irish person and Judy as a Hispanic person if they were humans. Primarily cause of European rabbits originating from Spain and Irish people were treated pretty poorly back in the 19th century.
Not because he’s red?
Mainly though, both Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde are fucking hot.
Stupid sexy bunnies. Wait what?
Sit down, I have some bad news. They closed the Arby's.
I am not a furry but I was jerking off to them before I even knew what Zootopia was
I always liked how they had the damn Godfather in a mister big supporting role and also freaking Walter White and Jesse Pinkman doing cameos in the first movie, thats some good shit and not something you'd see on every kids movie
It pretty big, but this has overall been a real bad year for the box-office, which makes it stand out.
I mean even in an insane year like 2019, $1.13 billion dollars would be a lot.
This movie will likely get to 1.4 billion, maybe 1.5. This would stand out in any year but 2009 and 2019.
The first movie was a big hit, and fans have been chomping at the bit for a sequel for years.
My dad is a pilot for an international airline. Zootopia is HUGE in China.
Furries love this shit dude
All my friends are furries and I’ve seen this shit three times now
China really loves their furries
This movie is like Endgame for furries.
This is Infinity War. They'll definitely make another one after how much this made.
The post-credit scene definitely sets up a Zootopia 3.
I work at a theater and haven’t had the time to watch it but caught the post credit scene, dunno what it is but had the vibes of “TO BE CONTINUED SOON”
Birds and fish seeking revenge on the mammals and lizards will be the Endgame.
I'm not sure we'll ever get fish as sentient persons after they were just throwing them into a grinder this movie lol. I mean, the predators have to eat something unless they go full Lion King with Simba just eating grubs
Yeah I meant in the sense of cultural significance/hype for furries around the world not just China. Also yeah they are definitely green lighting the second trilogy as we speak.
can confirm, seen it 3 times already with different local furry groups lol.
>James Cameron quickly adding more tantalizing Na'vi scenes
Hear me out: Cameron would make even more money if he also portrayed gay sex and relations among the Na’vi. Maybe less audience, but definitely more money…
Damn, kids movies are still making bank at the box office.
Naturally…. With a kids movies, people are generally buying 3 or 4+ tickets per party. Adult movies sell 1 or 2 tickets per party.
I think it has more to do with meeting expectations. Most pop-culture adaptation/sequel blockbusters (Star Wars, Marvel, Borderlands, etc.) have been garbage as of late, spiritual successors like Disney reimaginings are a mixed bag, and modern live-action filmmaking has changed in the streaming age. All of it has generally eroded trust in the ability of a movie to not be a disappointment.
Certain animated franchises however are safe until proven wrong. I don't expect to love the next Avatar more than the last two, but I'm guessing it's going to be a fantastic IMAX experience. Zooptopia was a rich, well-developed world, with a brand of humor that was just a bit darker than typical Disney animated fare - all of which points to a sequel doing well as long as word-of-mouth and reviews weren't bagging on it.
This is true but only when families actually go, which increasingly they aren’t. Disney overcame parents’ tendency to just wait for movies to come to Disney+, so this box office is still impressive imo
Specifically kids movies from established franchises. There’s a bunch of box office duds in the past year, including one from Disney/Pixar called Elio.
I thoroughly enjoyed Elio (any film that quotes Carl Sagan really) but it had absolutely zero support from Disney and no advertising. It’s just a theory, but I think they did it on purpose just to prove that all people want are remakes.
Elio falls into a sporting term: the AAAA baseball player.
In baseball the top minor league is AAA. After that you’re in the majors (MLB). There are players who are too good for AAA but not good enough for the majors. They go up and they fail. They go down and they excel but also take the slot of a kid who could develop into being a Major leaguer.
This is Elio. Too good for streaming. Not good enough for theaters. When Disney held focus groups they were asked “who liked it” and everybody did. Then they asked “would you go to a theater for it” and nobody would.
That’s why they didn’t bother advertising. It just wasn’t going to move the needle.
We see this in football (soccer) in England. There are teams that are not good enough for the Premier League but area little too good for the Championship (the next level down), so they yo-yo between the two leagues every few seasons.
I enjoyed Elio aswell, but i also think it was a little middle of the road. Tonally it was a bit all over the place. Started out rather dark and serious and then turned into a „silly“ alien friendship story. I wish it wouldve made some of its darker moments more impactful and important throughout the movie
Bold of you to assume it's kids watching this
It's funny, because the kids who were watching Zootopia when it released are now adults or close to it. I could see this benefitting from the Toy Story 3 effect.
Yeahhh, I’m a grown ass adult and very much so intend on seeing this movie.
Had to downvote OP for saying kids movies. Del toro is right. Nobody takes animated movies seriously
Who would have thought that movies that appeal to literally everyone would perform better financially than A24's latest psychological thriller
Kids would watch one movie everyday in a whole month and still be hyped of that movies trailer
Now in cinema you cant just let kids go alone, mickey needs all the flock of lambs
The biggest reason movie theaters are failing is because most people are content to wait 2-3 months until the movie hits streaming, outside of a few major franchises and spectacle films.
Best of luck telling your kids that they have to wait 3 months to see Zootopia 2 after they have watched the original 1,373 times.
I liked it well enough, but it didn't have enough full frontal nudity.
Technically correct
Nick doesn't hang dong??
Where's the butthole cut???
James Cameron
Hold my tail
In Na'vi culture, that's considered a dick move.
It’s actually considered a reach around.
Guys, is it good or at least at the same level as the first one? I have free time tomorrow and I want to know if it's worth going to. I liked the first one.
Absolutely. It it's a bit more "serious" than the first one but it's still a great story.
Less humor but engaging plot with new objectives being a regular driving point.
Just bought the ticket. Thank you for answering this. You are great.
Whoo! Hope you enjoy it, it's got some neat political intrigue and really fleshes out their world/city quite a lot. :)
It's excellent, would probably go as far to say it's the best thing Disneys put out in YEARS and I'd lost faith in them after the shitshow that Moana 2 was. Story is great but visually it's stunning.
Is this the first time we've had to have "Hollywood" as a qualifier?
Ne Zha 2 might stay the highest grossing 2025 movie
I'd be willing to bet Avatar 3 will beat Ne Zha 2.
The audience is rather limited for Ne Zha, it basically made almost its entire box office from China alone. Conversely, Avatar has historically done very well all over the world, especially in China.
I went and saw Ne Zha 2 in theaters. Mid day, mid week. I was the ONLY person in the theater. I sat middle of the theater and just had a grand old time _^
Ne Zha 2 was legitimately really good, I loved it and it ranks towards the very top of my favorite animated movies.
I also really enjoyed it! I even accidentally chose the 3D one. No regrets.
Do you need to know anything going in to enjoy it?
It's been a while so my memory is fuzzy, but I did Wiki the plot of the first movie and am very glad I did.
I was unaware lilo and stitch was the biggest movie of the year.
Kids who grew up with the original movie wanting to share in the enjoyment of the remake with their own kids.
Too bad they changed a lot of the story and got lazy with the CGI;
With all the money Disney makes, was it really that hard to just animate Jumba and Pleakley the entire time?
It was intended to be a lower budget D+ release, but they decided to release it in theaters sometime after shooting it.
Stitch 2001: "Ohana means family"
Stitch 2025: "Ohana means straight-up abandoning your little sister whose parents are still dead to go study Marine Biology in California"
It was absolutely dreadful
Rare times a Disney sequel is actually, good
The Rescuers Down Under
Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Cinderella: A Twist in Time
...
Yeah, that's all I got.
An Extremely Goofy Movie
The Lion King 2 was good too.
Lion King 1 1/2 is good too
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead for the kiddos.
I'll be honest, the only reason I didn't mention it is because the only thing I remember about it is the hot tub scene, lol. Which is legendary TBF, but I couldn't remember if the rest of it lived up to that.
Lion King 2 is good, but it's almost painful how much it wants to be major production. I bet you if they had really put their weight behind it, it woulda bought traditional animation another film or two at Disney
I liked Pirates of the Caribbean 2 a lot
Honestly other than Cinderella, the other two are extremely mid and even worse when compared to their original movies.
Lion King 2 is "good". I liked Return to Neverland but its no where near the OG Peter Pan.
They do have a history of absolutely AWFUL animated sequels though. Like I think I wanted to pass out watching Fox & The Hound 2.
Cinderella A Twist in Time is cute but it definitely doesn't hold a candle to the original.
But The Rescuers is not better than The Rescuers Down Under imo. Like even a little tiny bit.
Other than the animation being impressive in Down Under, I frankly dont remember anything good about it. Meanwhile I enjoyed the villian in the original Rescurers and the little girl was very cute.
But I agree Twist in Time is not as good as the OG. I think I just enjoyed that it actually felt like a decent time with some interesting plot elements.
We counting Pixar movies?
I was only counting Disney Animation.
Y'all are sleeping on 102 Dalmatians
Not when Gerard Depardieu is in it.
Alladin 4 Jafar May Need Glasses was great.
Just watched it today with my SO and friends and we all thought it was pretty good, though the themes and messages given in the first two movies already give me ideas of what they will do with the 3rd movie considering the ending.
My idea:
I suspect the 3rd movie will involve Nick and Judy becoming guardians to an egg. The bird pops out and does the whole imprinting thing. They will become a "mommy and daddy".
Judy Hopps discovers that she is pregnant and informs her boyfriend Nick Wilde. He is overjoyed at the prospect of becoming a father, but Judy confesses that she does not want to keep the child. Judy states that she did not use contraception during sex as she assumed that they would not be able to conceive; she expresses fear that their child will be a "freak" and concern over her own health, along with the pregnancy potentially jeopardizing her job at the ZPD. When Nick accuses Judy of "killing" their child to advance her career, she angrily slaps him across the face before frantically apologizing. Nick silently packs a bag while Judy pleads with him not to leave her. Nick reminds Judy that he loves her because of the good things she has done and says that her abortion would rob their child of a chance to do the same. Judy refuses, insisting on bodily autonomy.
When questioned why she didn't simply keep her pregnancy a secret, Judy strongly believed that he deserved to know. Nick ends their relationship and leaves, sadly assuring her that he will be fine. Alone in her apartment, a distraught Judy collapses to the floor in tears
The Zootopia expanded universe is wild.
And then he goes to Arby's
Here's my idea for Zootopia 3:
Birds were driven off of the surface after mammals became more dominant and used advanced technology to live in the sky. They want to reclaim the surface and declare war on land/water animals. They feel, as descendants of dinosaurs, they are rightful rulers of the surface.
Disney going band for band with itself.
Lilo and Stitch was not a good remake lol. The pacing was awful and they changed so much of the original story.
I haven’t seen Zootopia 2 yet but I’ve only heard good things about it.
Total grosses through Sunday
China's Ne Zha 2 remains the highest grossing film of the year so far with $1.9 billion.
Nezha 2 is at 2.2 billion. That Box office mojo number is wrong
Does a billion even mean anything anymore? Gotta inflation adjust everything
Furries everywhere: what?
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Honestly wild how over a billion is considered “mid” these days
Titanic made ~$170M during the first month of its theatrical run. Lol
It did go on to make 1.8 billion during that same run tbh
Ahhh isn't that the opposite? It's rare these days compared to pre Covid. This year we only had Lilo and Zootopia 2
2019 was the closest that the top 10 movies of the year were all billion dollar films, 9 of the 10 made it to 1B. 2025 has 3 so far with Avatar 3 potentially being the 4th.
2025
Thanks lol, yes I meant 2025 lol
I went to the movies more this year than I did since before COVID.
Superman Fantastic Four Bring Her Back Eddington The Naked Gun The Toxic Avenger Wolf Man Captain America 4 Clown in a Cornfield Friendship Final Destination 6 Jurassic World 28 Years Later The Long Walk
I am probably forgetting some and there was a lot more I wanted to see that I just didn't have time to. It's been years since there have been so many options at the theatre.
Based on what? 2025's domestic total is on track to beat 2024's. Worldwide will be close. 2023 was the year of the megabudget bomb, while 2025 is the year of the modestly budgeted hit (several of them being original IPs, to boot.)
More importantly, I'd say the average quality of 2025 beats either of those previous years.
Furries have money to burn
Suspiciously Wealthy Furries (TM) showing us they secretly control the world, once more
All those IT and tech sector salaries
Loved all of the movie references it made. All were hilarious.
Holy crap. It's not been out for that long right?
I talked my kid into going to see Zootopia 2, because I loved the first one. lol! It was really well made and the details where everywhere.
So Disney, with all these lovely billions, how about spending a fraction of that to finally making all your theatrical and short films available on Blu-Ray forever?
"The Vault" is bullshit. Always has been. Prices for out of circulation titles are ridiculous, and you don't get a cut of all those sales.
My family has a holiday tradition of watching "Pluto's Christmas Tree", "Donald's Snow Fight", and several other classic shorts, and to my lasting foolishness, I let the Treasures DVDs go by without getting the select Donald Duck, Pluto, other collections with all the Chip n' Dale and other shorts that we love and which I feel are the pinnacle of the short form Disney films.
We recently got a trial of Disney Plus so we can watch the new Volume 4 of the Beatles Anthology, so we'll be able to watch a few of the holiday shorts in their best form until the trial runs out, but streaming is continuing to morph into cable 2.0, and we will not renew after the trial period because we simply refuse to pay for what we don't own but could if you made it happen. YouTube will come through for the shorts that Disney Plus doesn't have, but the quality is usually poor, and sometimes the shorts are incomplete.
"The Vault" is dumb. It robs families of the ability to replaced beloved films when they need, and of course, that a company ostensibly devoted to providing family entertainment won't make all of it available all the time is the kind of irony that you couldn't cut with a lightsaber. We love so much of what you make, so why don't you want to make us happy and make even more money by giving it to us without artificially created scarcity!
Wait until next week when Disney that was overtaken by Disney gets overtaken by Disney again!
Deserved.
Live action rehash of a movie vs original story with heaps of animated talent.
Very cool and surprising
actually insane that it passed lilo & stitch already i knew people liked the first one but didn’t realize the hype was this massive
it only cost $150 million to make too