The living wage is, if memory serves, somewhere upwards of $22/hr. And the Republican legislature just struck down the automatic adjustment for inflation, going forward.
Again, the key term being everywhere in Missouri. This sub is quite far left, and that’s ok. It just doesn’t always align with reality. As a single person you can add to your savings living reasonably making $20/hr many places in Missouri, but not all.
The places you can afford to live on $20/hr don't have many jobs offering $20/hr. You're just spouting generic "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" nonsense.
I do. $22/hr minimum wage would immediately result in job loss for many, hour cuts for more, and is simply not feasible. Money isn’t free….or if it is you get significant inflation.
I'm saying that you're just saying those words without any facts to back it up. I'd like you to break down a researched budget for a real person living alone working full time on $20/hr in a low cost of living part of Missouri.
Owensville Mo-average rent $750. Food, $100/month. Utilities $300/month. Cell phone, $50/month. Cheap car, liability insurance, ACA health plan $500/month. What am I missing?
FYI, I’ve done the low wage living. It isn’t great fun, but it isn’t impossible in many places.
If you’re a mom with 2 kids making $15/hour, living in KC, how the actual fuck are people expected to afford to move to the boot heel? Possibly ripping their kids from school, friends, other family members?
I have a better idea. Pay living wages. Close the CEO pay gaps and tax the wealthy. It’s just so much easier and kinder.
If you are a single mom with two kids making that wage, it obviously doesn’t pencil out and it is not responsible to have two kids at that point. Sure, close tax loopholes, etc, and also realize there is personal responsibility. It isn’t black and white.
That's what I'm making with 2 kids and doing fine. Most of these people are busy spending $200 a week on eating out and bitching they don't make enough.
You aren’t going to get through to them. The people who work minimum wage and spend their free time on Reddit instead of advancing their skills to earn more money love to blame others for their failures. They keep raising minimum wage and my house price keeps going up. They get poorer as I get richer.
A living wage is not a surviving wage; there's a difference. The minimum wage was meant to be a decent, livable wage, allowing you to enjoy life every once in a while.
I paid $1200 for a shithole. These whiners complaing about wages going up are the same ones who complain that they can't live off their current income when taxes are raised or the price of private school goes up. They're too dumb to realize that with higher wages doesnt come better benefits like retirement and Healthcare.
They defend billionairs and millionairs instead of school teachers and firefighters.
You are mixing two different things. No, you aren’t magically entitled to a wage that lets you live comfortably in an average place, particularly if you live in an area with a below average cost of living. This is sheer economics.
Why not? Like seriously. Why is it that you think people don’t deserve to live comfortably? We have the means for everyone to. Why is this not something you think people should get? (And I’m not asking about economics or capitalism or because “that’s the way the world works” kind of answer) I’m just boiling it down to a simple thought experiment question. We have the means for everyone in this country to live comfortably. That is a proven fact. So why do you think they shouldn’t? You don’t even really have to answer me. Just question yourself if you’ve been fed propaganda and swallowed it to the point that you think it’s ok for people to not live comfortably when we have the means to allow it.
What you are suggesting is not capitalism, which is why it does not work in a capitalistic society. Many, many folks are employed by small businesses which are not as flush as a plethora of this subreddit would claim, and simply could not pay the wages this subreddit would desire. And then the argument collapses.
That was literally why a min wage was fucking created. What are you talking about? If you can't live in an average area, with an average min wage, that's a fucking problem.
You are confusing averages with medians, and those are very different statistical terms.
Averages are skewed by outliers, while medians generally are not. You aren't finding $750/month apartments in my part of the state (it's not KC, STL, or Columbia), and I'd be willing to bet that in the places that you can find that price or lower, the job market is terrible, wages are very low, healthcare and education are virtually nonexistent, and the poverty rate is quite high.
I’m not confusing anything. In many parts of the state $22/hr is much more than “livable”. You can add as much fluff as you want, and any more urban parts the cost of living is higher. Merry Christmas!
Hey I hope you have a merry Christmas and a financial viable new year! The pursuit of happiness is the American dream, and while there is great disparity, we achieve this better than any other country.
You can’t live on a full time mimimum wage at $13.75 an hour or $15 an hour. The minimum wage has always been for temporary not full time jobs but unfortunately many have to do it for full time jobs.
Just remember, nobody gave this to you. We voted for it.
The living wage is, if memory serves, somewhere upwards of $22/hr. And the Republican legislature just struck down the automatic adjustment for inflation, going forward.
adjusted for inflation from the 60s, i’m pretty sure it’s $60/hr or more
Source? That sounds wrong
it is, i just be sayin shit. now i wish i could find my source.
Adjusting for inflation of peak 60s federal minimum wage gives $13-14 an hour.
You definitely do not need $22/hr to survive as a single person everywhere in Missouri.
My memory wasn't off by very much: $20.87/hr for a single person with no kids. $47.26/hr for a single parent w/2 kids.
"Fight for Fifteen" was long enough ago now that it would be twenty, if adjusted for inflation since. $25 or more in most states.
Again, the key term being everywhere in Missouri. This sub is quite far left, and that’s ok. It just doesn’t always align with reality. As a single person you can add to your savings living reasonably making $20/hr many places in Missouri, but not all.
The places you can afford to live on $20/hr don't have many jobs offering $20/hr. You're just spouting generic "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" nonsense.
No, I’m saying it doesn’t take $22/hr to live everywhere in Missouri, you’re adding extra to that fact.
Why do you not want people to thrive?
I do. $22/hr minimum wage would immediately result in job loss for many, hour cuts for more, and is simply not feasible. Money isn’t free….or if it is you get significant inflation.
I'm saying that you're just saying those words without any facts to back it up. I'd like you to break down a researched budget for a real person living alone working full time on $20/hr in a low cost of living part of Missouri.
Owensville Mo-average rent $750. Food, $100/month. Utilities $300/month. Cell phone, $50/month. Cheap car, liability insurance, ACA health plan $500/month. What am I missing?
FYI, I’ve done the low wage living. It isn’t great fun, but it isn’t impossible in many places.
That has to be a joke right?
Sorry, I meant week. Correct $100 unrealistic.
But it does cost that in others. So…🤷♀️
If you’re a mom with 2 kids making $15/hour, living in KC, how the actual fuck are people expected to afford to move to the boot heel? Possibly ripping their kids from school, friends, other family members?
I have a better idea. Pay living wages. Close the CEO pay gaps and tax the wealthy. It’s just so much easier and kinder.
If you are a single mom with two kids making that wage, it obviously doesn’t pencil out and it is not responsible to have two kids at that point. Sure, close tax loopholes, etc, and also realize there is personal responsibility. It isn’t black and white.
Hmm guess she better return the kids to the kids store using the "someone on reddit said its a bad idea to keep 'em" clause then.
That's what I'm making with 2 kids and doing fine. Most of these people are busy spending $200 a week on eating out and bitching they don't make enough.
Sounds pretty fucking terrible.
You aren’t going to get through to them. The people who work minimum wage and spend their free time on Reddit instead of advancing their skills to earn more money love to blame others for their failures. They keep raising minimum wage and my house price keeps going up. They get poorer as I get richer.
A living wage is not a surviving wage; there's a difference. The minimum wage was meant to be a decent, livable wage, allowing you to enjoy life every once in a while.
You can. $750 rent, $750 utilities/food, $750 misc payments, and that’s reasonable in much of the state as a single person, with some left over.
average rent of a studio apartment is 1000 in missouri... some places its 800
I paid $1200 for a shithole. These whiners complaing about wages going up are the same ones who complain that they can't live off their current income when taxes are raised or the price of private school goes up. They're too dumb to realize that with higher wages doesnt come better benefits like retirement and Healthcare.
They defend billionairs and millionairs instead of school teachers and firefighters.
Which means in many places it is less, correct. That is how averages work, so we agree it appears.
well a living wage should cover avg expenses dont you think? also in those many places there arent many people
You are mixing two different things. No, you aren’t magically entitled to a wage that lets you live comfortably in an average place, particularly if you live in an area with a below average cost of living. This is sheer economics.
no im not mixing two different things minimum wage should cover the avg rent of a studio apartment anywhere... thats not luxury
Quit wasting your time on this one.
Of course it’s not luxury. But also what you’re suggesting doesn’t haven’t solid economic ground behind it, which is why it doesn’t happen anywhere.
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No, just realistic. Merry Christmas!
Why not? Like seriously. Why is it that you think people don’t deserve to live comfortably? We have the means for everyone to. Why is this not something you think people should get? (And I’m not asking about economics or capitalism or because “that’s the way the world works” kind of answer) I’m just boiling it down to a simple thought experiment question. We have the means for everyone in this country to live comfortably. That is a proven fact. So why do you think they shouldn’t? You don’t even really have to answer me. Just question yourself if you’ve been fed propaganda and swallowed it to the point that you think it’s ok for people to not live comfortably when we have the means to allow it.
What you are suggesting is not capitalism, which is why it does not work in a capitalistic society. Many, many folks are employed by small businesses which are not as flush as a plethora of this subreddit would claim, and simply could not pay the wages this subreddit would desire. And then the argument collapses.
That was literally why a min wage was fucking created. What are you talking about? If you can't live in an average area, with an average min wage, that's a fucking problem.
people should be able to choose living in below average areas to save money not forced into it because they cant do any better.
They can. And do. Have a merry Christmas.
You are confusing averages with medians, and those are very different statistical terms.
Averages are skewed by outliers, while medians generally are not. You aren't finding $750/month apartments in my part of the state (it's not KC, STL, or Columbia), and I'd be willing to bet that in the places that you can find that price or lower, the job market is terrible, wages are very low, healthcare and education are virtually nonexistent, and the poverty rate is quite high.
I’m not confusing anything. In many parts of the state $22/hr is much more than “livable”. You can add as much fluff as you want, and any more urban parts the cost of living is higher. Merry Christmas!
If you want to choose to live as a serf move to Russia. The rest of us are going to push for an actual decent quality of life.
Keep pushing. And keep pushing yourself to constantly improve your skill set and worth to employers, or develop and entrepreneurial idea.
Dreaming of an unrealistic minimum wage is a poor dream that will leave you disappointed when it doesn’t happen.
Look everyone, I found one of them temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
It's sad you think people deserve nothing more than to merely survive.
People aren’t entitled to your wishes, it has to be economically viable.
Again, it's sad you think people should be beholden to 'economic viability' and not the other way round.
Hey I hope you have a merry Christmas and a financial viable new year! The pursuit of happiness is the American dream, and while there is great disparity, we achieve this better than any other country.
The minimum wage is 100k
LOL
Let's see if the governor will veto this one....
He Can’t. This was a constitutional amendment
This wasn't an amendment. It was the only part of Prop A the legislature and governor didn't repeal.
Already tried
Tarrifs will provide, just you wait.? Wait something good...no strike it down like a sith.
You can’t live on a full time mimimum wage at $13.75 an hour or $15 an hour. The minimum wage has always been for temporary not full time jobs but unfortunately many have to do it for full time jobs.
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Maybe you should think this through and try again
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No, there are less than 2% of jobs that pay below $15 an hour