Or like that scene in the movie Red Dawn where the Wolverines are hiding in the ground, then pop up and shoot the enemy soldiers who stopped to get diesel for tank.
Not just diameter, they'd have to be deeper too. The average height for Vietnamese men during the war was only about 5'2". It went up significantly after the war, probably due to better nutrition and reduced stress. The average now is about 5'6" and still rising. Wartime is shit for growing bodies. But the average American man in modern times is about 5'9". That's a pretty big difference. A 5'9" man is going to have a lot of trouble fitting into a hole made for a 5'2" man.
I’d venture a guess that the babies resulting from the American soldiers and the locals may have had an impact on the height demographics as well, but I may be mistaken.
I don't think that would be widespread enough to cause a 4 inch jump in the average height. Also, it was a gradual increase, not one sudden leap, which indicates a change in environment rather than genetics. Americans also got taller in this timeframe btw, but only about an inch.
I have been to this museum. They have expanded the tunnels that they send tourists through, but there are side passages that they haven't touched and they are very small. I wouldn't have fit in them. And even the expanded tunnels are tight.
I crawled 82 meters through one of the Cu Chi Tunnels. It was the most terrifyingly claustrophobic stupid thing I've ever done. Once in, I was to tall to turn around so was committed to make it to the next exit. Most of it was barely wide enough for my shoulders lying on my belly. I feel sick just remembering it.
A highly flammable, highly SPRAYABALE liquid that basically sticks to whatever it touches. In Vietnam, the US used it to kill an awful lot of people in horrible fucking ways.
Imagine being in a hole with just enough room to exist in and everything outside of it catching fire.
The entire Cu Chi system was basically an invisible underground city, over 120 miles of tunnels on three different levels, which is nuts. They weren’t just for hiding, they housed hospitals, kitchens, and command centers, showing total resilience and resourcefulness.
You must be mistaken. There is probably nothing more hard-core than living and fighting like this. It takes more dedication and bravery than has been ever displayed by the US military.
A real punk bitch move is carpet bombing cities and villages for months on end to try and kill your enemy or by destroying civilian cop fields through the use of napalm or chemical weapons to try and deprive your enemy of the ability to feed themselves.
U.S. forces never lost control of South Vietnam and were not expelled by North Vietnamese or Viet Cong forces.
So the fall of Saigon with US employees dramatically attempting to board helicopters to flee was all fake news was it?
Can you seriously be claiming that the US has been in control in South Vietnam this whole time?
Major communist offensives (especially Tet 1968) were military failures for North Vietnam in terms of casualties and ground held.
Tactical losses can sometimes be strategic victories, as they were in this case and more recently for the taliban in Afghanistan. Vietnam showed that you dont need to defeat the US on the field, outlasting them also does the job.
OK, so you really haven't read about the war. You're one of those who just repeat what you hear others say without finding out for yourself.
Saigon fell more than 2 years after US combat troops had already left South Vietnam. What are "US employees" in this context? What are you talking about?
The VC was crippled as a result of the heavy losses taken during the Tet Offensive - but you call it a strategic victory. OK then. Also, that specious point had nothing to do with the question at hand.
As I correctly implied above, US forces weren't kicked out of Vietnam by either the VC or NVA - if you don't like facts, that's really not my problem.
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Like a trap door spider
Or like that scene in the movie Red Dawn where the Wolverines are hiding in the ground, then pop up and shoot the enemy soldiers who stopped to get diesel for tank.
They actually call them spider holes IIRC
"Up in the trees and under the leaves." Sounds like a great documentary title.
I wonder how easy it was for the Vietnamese to squeeze out of those. Americans tend to be much bigger
Americans had small dudes that would go in there
Tunnel Rats.
Yeah my friends dad was one of them
and they lost a lot of those
That makes sense, but I still want to know about the Vietnamese
Viet cong ? South Vietnam was also Vietnamese
I'd guess they have larger diameter holes for larger tourists.
Not just diameter, they'd have to be deeper too. The average height for Vietnamese men during the war was only about 5'2". It went up significantly after the war, probably due to better nutrition and reduced stress. The average now is about 5'6" and still rising. Wartime is shit for growing bodies. But the average American man in modern times is about 5'9". That's a pretty big difference. A 5'9" man is going to have a lot of trouble fitting into a hole made for a 5'2" man.
I’d venture a guess that the babies resulting from the American soldiers and the locals may have had an impact on the height demographics as well, but I may be mistaken.
I don't think that would be widespread enough to cause a 4 inch jump in the average height. Also, it was a gradual increase, not one sudden leap, which indicates a change in environment rather than genetics. Americans also got taller in this timeframe btw, but only about an inch.
I have been to this museum. They have expanded the tunnels that they send tourists through, but there are side passages that they haven't touched and they are very small. I wouldn't have fit in them. And even the expanded tunnels are tight.
The additional leaves on top were a necessity
I crawled 82 meters through one of the Cu Chi Tunnels. It was the most terrifyingly claustrophobic stupid thing I've ever done. Once in, I was to tall to turn around so was committed to make it to the next exit. Most of it was barely wide enough for my shoulders lying on my belly. I feel sick just remembering it.
You won’t get me in there. I’m tall with wide shoulders.
The man in the black pajamas dude
Worthy f*ckin' adversary!
Fuckin
How does one dig such a deep verticle hole without making it too wide?
You can see the top of a wooden frame. Likely it extends all the way down. You dig a wide hole, put the frame in, then close the gaps.
very carefully
This is how I used to hide from my sister in Minecraft
While clearly the VC took us to task (relatively speaking) in the jungle, I don’t think I’d want to be in one of those holes when the napalm dropped.
What's napalm?
A highly flammable, highly SPRAYABALE liquid that basically sticks to whatever it touches. In Vietnam, the US used it to kill an awful lot of people in horrible fucking ways.
Imagine being in a hole with just enough room to exist in and everything outside of it catching fire.
Fucking christ that's horrible to imagine. Those poor people.
That's ok, they love the smell of napalm in the morning.....
A people oppressed do not fear death! Freedom or nothingness.
I was waiting for ten more to pop up and really prove the point
Well if they were Vietnamese they could certainly fit.
No, like I expected ten more to be hidden and then surprise everyone at the end!
Yeah like I said, certainly possible. Maybe they turned off the cam too quick.
The entire Cu Chi system was basically an invisible underground city, over 120 miles of tunnels on three different levels, which is nuts. They weren’t just for hiding, they housed hospitals, kitchens, and command centers, showing total resilience and resourcefulness.
Was this the cu chi tunnels ? Was there this time last year, it was eye opening!
Very cool
Shoot me there’s no fucking way I’m doing that
Viet cong ^
Triggering my claustrophobia in 3.....2......1.
GET ME OUT HERE!!!!!!
Claustrophobia nightmare
LOL I’ve been here and couldn’t fit, my lats just got stuck and had to scoot back up
I didn’t realize that these were openings to a large network of tunnels, with rooms and ventilation tunnels too. So crazy!!
You gotta throw a couple potato mashers in there
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You must be mistaken. There is probably nothing more hard-core than living and fighting like this. It takes more dedication and bravery than has been ever displayed by the US military.
A real punk bitch move is carpet bombing cities and villages for months on end to try and kill your enemy or by destroying civilian cop fields through the use of napalm or chemical weapons to try and deprive your enemy of the ability to feed themselves.
what the fuck?
These punk bitches won the war lol
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They kicked americans out of their country, I say they win.
Well they got invited by south vietnam so half true
You're not big on history I see.
Huh? Are you claiming that the US wasnt forced to leave and that the North didnt take over all of Vietnam?
Claiming? If you spent 30 min reading about the war you'd know that:
U.S. forces never lost control of South Vietnam and were not expelled by North Vietnamese or Viet Cong forces.
Major communist offensives (especially Tet 1968) were military failures for North Vietnam in terms of casualties and ground held.
So the fall of Saigon with US employees dramatically attempting to board helicopters to flee was all fake news was it?
Can you seriously be claiming that the US has been in control in South Vietnam this whole time?
Tactical losses can sometimes be strategic victories, as they were in this case and more recently for the taliban in Afghanistan. Vietnam showed that you dont need to defeat the US on the field, outlasting them also does the job.
OK, so you really haven't read about the war. You're one of those who just repeat what you hear others say without finding out for yourself.
Saigon fell more than 2 years after US combat troops had already left South Vietnam. What are "US employees" in this context? What are you talking about?
The VC was crippled as a result of the heavy losses taken during the Tet Offensive - but you call it a strategic victory. OK then. Also, that specious point had nothing to do with the question at hand.
As I correctly implied above, US forces weren't kicked out of Vietnam by either the VC or NVA - if you don't like facts, that's really not my problem.
Legit questions, don't think I'm being snarky here...
Why did the US leave Vietnam and why did the North Vietnamese end up with control over the whole country?
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