Just take out, "I'm a woman, so," and this works fine.
Except that sentence sounds like the beginning of an apology, but she looks angry? Is she yelling at somebody else because she reacted badly to something?
Any anime viewer knows how ridiculous gendering "getting swept by the emotions of the moment" is. Shōnen battle manga in particular might as well be called the "boys swept up by emotions doing irrational things spectacularly all the time" genre.
this show was such a dud. it started out looking like it might be about the real abuse girls suffer in japan—and revealed itself to actually be about the ✨vile temptress children✨ who seduce innocent adult men.
It's a phenomenal show. Don't worry about being confused; it's very surreal, but everything will click by the end.
I do recommend checking out trigger guides. It's not a graphic show and handles everything very tastefully, but there are themes of CSA, grooming, incest, and homophobia.
eh, i disagree with it being fetishistic, per se, but it's definitely sexual.
throughout the series the car is always a symbol of sexual control; akio is always driving recklessly while his young passengers sit terrified in the other seat. in the movie, it's an act of trust and vulnerability that becomes a tool of liberation through queer love. i've always interpreted it anthy and utena reclaiming the symbol used against them.
There's also that key thing, which gets reinforced during that scene. Akio loses the "key" after he finds out that his sister (CW: rape, incest, suicide, movie spoilers) he was raping was actually awake and not drugged out of her mind, and that she had an active role in it so he "loses his key" (grows impotent) and jumps off a balcony. IIRC the same key is the one that Anthy uses to turn on the Car!Utena...
Besides, I seem to remember a fragment of an interview with Ikuhara where he said something along the lines that he saw the movie as an opportunity to indulge in his car transformation fetish.
I’m on a long hiatus of my first watch of that show because episode 33 unnerved me so much. Wasn’t in a great place to watch that and all that happens and all that’s implied in a FUCKING RECAP EPISODE did a number on my psyche.
This sounds a whole lot like an anime version of the terrible HBO show The Idol. What was tragic about the latter is that a lot of behind-the-scenes details have revealed the show was supposed to be quite different (e.g. Jocelyn was supposed to have been Disney famous à la Hannah Montana), but alas...
After finishing the final Euphoria season, Sam Levinson needs to just go away.
Edit: autocorrect turned "what was" into "whatsoever," and "after" into "afternoon"--is anyone else's autocorrect wildly misbehaving?
honestly now that you said it it is so similar... wonder egg also has a similar-ish situation where the animators working on the series are so overworked that they have to be hospitalized, so the series have to be shortened and rewritten so much the ending feels so out of place... nothing got built up, nothing got resolved, everything is meaningless... i was so disappointed because it has such a good premise
I havent seen it in a while, but if I' remembering correcrly:
I think the bestfriend of the MC was being molested by their teacher. This was supposed to be a 'omg' twist moment to show that that bestfriend was a bitch (??)
Also the final episode had that child robot thing that wanted to be with its father
It is. It's also the show where the question 'why do teenage girls commit suicide?' is posed and then quickly answered with 'there's an evil robot ghost influencing them to do it,' so I would call its treatment of the topic of suicide, um, flawed.
Wrath. Sing, oh goddess, of the wrath of Pelius's son Achilles. Murderous, doomed, who cost the Akeans countless lives. Hurling down to the house of Hades so many sturdy souls.
He was hardly the most irrational dude in the story, too. Just one example: after he died the Acheans had an athletic competition over who'd get to inherit Achilles's fancy armor (???????), and when Ajax the Greater, who was the strongest among them, failed to win, he killed himself out of sheer frustration.
Not me, but I hate myself for many of the decisions I've made that ran counter to what I wanted emotionally. I think most people will end up with regrets either way.
I have never watched this show, but from the outside looking in I saw it launch to universal praise only to turn to a burned field of ash and broken dreams, so I keept myself away from it.
As someone who watched this, I don't actually remember this scene. I will say the character in question is 14 and has absorbed a lot of misconceptions about how girls are, e.g., when she was younger and an idol, she fat-shamed her biggest fan. Rika talks like she's absorbed a lot of toxic messaging from the men in her life or stuff her mom absorbed.
In one scene, an adult man told her at a young age "A beautiful woman never needs a wallet" and given what her mom is like I imagine she's said stuff like that. This is to make the case that the character in question is flawed like this on purpose, if I am being generous.
WEP is stupid as well. LIKE TURBO STUPID.It's a big example of why feminism is needed when unpacking gender dynamics. It understands the suffering of young girls or teenage girls so well, but misses the mark as to why. So much imploded in the end and so many young creatives burnt out trying to make this that the stupid elements of its plot aren't addressed or fleshed out to make sense.
I'd would never recommend this show blindly to anyone, cause the content warning list is long and painful but like watch Revolutionary Girl Utena to understand what this show was trying to do narratively.
Such a weird, weird stereotype when Men are the ones running around beating their friends, wives, kids and random Men on the streets who offend their delicate senses.
Men are the ones who kill their pregnant wives in a fit of rage then write regretful poems about it for years after.
We all know who's much more likely to act irrationally and cause trouble for everyone because they're emotional but I think those people don't really consider anger an emotion.
They say women are emotional then they point at a stressed out married single mother of five getting rightfully frustrated at a cheating husband or one who refuses to help around the house or at least be less of a burden and claim she has reached the heights of irrational behavior.
Meanwhile Men are killing each other over silly altercations at a bar or someone daring to call their wive pretty or whatever. Or literally losing their career, reputation, families and everything they have because they wanna fuck an underaged girl and they're somehow the 'rational leaders' gender.
Wtf is that that's fucking hilarious 😂 seriously though when I wrote this what was on my mind was that ancient king who killed his pregnant wife then found a boy who looked like her, castrated and then married him. Because, y'know. He got sentimental over the dead wifey… that he beat to death.
Or that weirdo from the famous portrait. The one hugging the corpse of the son he killed looking hella traumatized. It's almost like… maybe don't kill your loved ones, Men?? Maybe they won't die if you don't kill them?? Smh
The Silent Hill 2 example is really unique in that the wife had been slowly dying of an incurable disease for years and the husband killed her partly out of mercy and party out of caregiver burnout and he was so miserable afterward he went to kill himself in the resort town they had their honeymoon in. Then the game happens and he ends up fighting a monstrous incarnation of his memories and desires of her. Depending on what he's done until then, he may yet kill himself, or leave with a fake version of his wife created by the town to please and tempt him, or process his grief properly and leave with a new adoptive daughter. So it's a completely different kind of "kill wife, wife gone, regret".
This show was going so good and even tackled some pretty tough things that girls go through but then literally bait and switched in the end to making the Main girl seem like a jealous "bitch" for also wanting a grown man. The show in the beginning literally implies through artistic framing that the adult man is a predator and preying on her friend. Like there's terrible ominous music that plays whenever he's on screen, he's cast in shadow constantly so it looks like he's evil. The MC's memories of him are always vague and filled with a sense of dread. But nope in the end the message is "The MC was just jealous this grown man was giving her friend more attention and THAT'S what drove her and her friend apart :3"
I always have this conspiracy that the writing team changed to some weird incel in the end lol.
yo guys the immeasurable disappointment i have from this anime is unreal. i can write essay about it.
it started so SO good too.
turned out the writer is the one who wrote a show where a little girl is abused daily and in each episode, the abuse is the main highlight. its practically whump of elementary/middleschool girl (the series is long ish)
One absurd thing I remember from this anime is one of the girls saying "men are goal oriented and women are emotion oriented". Bruh goals are an emotional thing
I'm gonna say this one is fine. People often willingly put themselves into negativ stereotypes, to use it as an excause for bad behaviour. It's scummy behaviour, but it is something that happens, especially with conservative women, who find themselves squeezed on all sides by these stereotypes but has to accept them. Unless this behaviour is unfit for this character, tgen yeah, it's just sexist.
Dear u/Sangwiny, the readers agree, this man has written a woman badly!
I, too, have been swept away by emotions at times. That has less to do with that I'm a woman and more to do with my stress levels
Just take out, "I'm a woman, so," and this works fine.
Except that sentence sounds like the beginning of an apology, but she looks angry? Is she yelling at somebody else because she reacted badly to something?
This is intriguing. I don't want to learn more.
Any anime viewer knows how ridiculous gendering "getting swept by the emotions of the moment" is. Shōnen battle manga in particular might as well be called the "boys swept up by emotions doing irrational things spectacularly all the time" genre.
this show was such a dud. it started out looking like it might be about the real abuse girls suffer in japan—and revealed itself to actually be about the ✨vile temptress children✨ who seduce innocent adult men.
taps the WATCH REVOLUTIONARY GIRL UTENA sign permanently affixed to my wall
Okay, I'll finally do it. You're the third time I heard it mentioned in the last week so I have to watch it now.
It's a phenomenal show. Don't worry about being confused; it's very surreal, but everything will click by the end.
I do recommend checking out trigger guides. It's not a graphic show and handles everything very tastefully, but there are themes of CSA, grooming, incest, and homophobia.
More like end of the second rewatch, but OK.
Movie is weirder, and has some dubious stuff, considering how fetishistically the transformation into a car was handled.
eh, i disagree with it being fetishistic, per se, but it's definitely sexual.
throughout the series the car is always a symbol of sexual control; akio is always driving recklessly while his young passengers sit terrified in the other seat. in the movie, it's an act of trust and vulnerability that becomes a tool of liberation through queer love. i've always interpreted it anthy and utena reclaiming the symbol used against them.
There's also that key thing, which gets reinforced during that scene. Akio loses the "key" after he finds out that his sister (CW: rape, incest, suicide, movie spoilers) he was raping was actually awake and not drugged out of her mind, and that she had an active role in it so he "loses his key" (grows impotent) and jumps off a balcony. IIRC the same key is the one that Anthy uses to turn on the Car!Utena...
Besides, I seem to remember a fragment of an interview with Ikuhara where he said something along the lines that he saw the movie as an opportunity to indulge in his car transformation fetish.
do you happen to have that interview because I'm very intrigued
I'll have to go digging for it, as I'm curious if my recollection is correct.
Do it, it's amazing!
I’m on a long hiatus of my first watch of that show because episode 33 unnerved me so much. Wasn’t in a great place to watch that and all that happens and all that’s implied in a FUCKING RECAP EPISODE did a number on my psyche.
tried to watch it but the abuse was way to much made me very uncomdable whitch is what it was going for
Wtf
I only watched the first handful of episodes and really enjoyed those. Then I heard about the disappointing ending and never felt a push to finish it.
🤮🤮🤮
This sounds a whole lot like an anime version of the terrible HBO show The Idol. What was tragic about the latter is that a lot of behind-the-scenes details have revealed the show was supposed to be quite different (e.g. Jocelyn was supposed to have been Disney famous à la Hannah Montana), but alas...
After finishing the final Euphoria season, Sam Levinson needs to just go away.
Edit: autocorrect turned "what was" into "whatsoever," and "after" into "afternoon"--is anyone else's autocorrect wildly misbehaving?
honestly now that you said it it is so similar... wonder egg also has a similar-ish situation where the animators working on the series are so overworked that they have to be hospitalized, so the series have to be shortened and rewritten so much the ending feels so out of place... nothing got built up, nothing got resolved, everything is meaningless... i was so disappointed because it has such a good premise
Not even innocent adult men, but queer coded men because they’re both fundamentally perverted and can also be turned straight.
My expectations were low but HOLY FVCK
I have watched this anime, including the disappointing finale, and this was not my interpretation of events.
The anime just has really confusing, unearned, and vague pseudo reveals. I don't remember anything about vile temptress children.
I havent seen it in a while, but if I' remembering correcrly:
I think the bestfriend of the MC was being molested by their teacher. This was supposed to be a 'omg' twist moment to show that that bestfriend was a bitch (??)
Also the final episode had that child robot thing that wanted to be with its father
Me neither. I only remember some very stupid sci-fi stuff
A show defending pedophilia!?
Isn’t this the show that said men kill themselves for logical reasons unlike women who kill themselves over silly emotions and passion?
It is. It's also the show where the question 'why do teenage girls commit suicide?' is posed and then quickly answered with 'there's an evil robot ghost influencing them to do it,' so I would call its treatment of the topic of suicide, um, flawed.
Yikes
Yes. The whole premise was around women regretting their suicide and thats why they were capable of being saved or something
iirc this anime fucking implodes in its last few episodes. Is this during or before that? (sucks either way, but I'm curious.)
Men litterally only ever act on emotion.
Source: I'm a man.
Wrath. Sing, oh goddess, of the wrath of Pelius's son Achilles. Murderous, doomed, who cost the Akeans countless lives. Hurling down to the house of Hades so many sturdy souls.
He was hardly the most irrational dude in the story, too. Just one example: after he died the Acheans had an athletic competition over who'd get to inherit Achilles's fancy armor (???????), and when Ajax the Greater, who was the strongest among them, failed to win, he killed himself out of sheer frustration.
These people were *crazy!*
All humans do that. That's literally how we work.
Exactly!
Sure, by definition.
If you didn't have any feelings you'd just sit there until you died. Anything you do is because you want to, on some level or some way.
People who talk like logic and emotions are opposites and extremes are being ridiculous. And super emotional.
That's what I'm saying! It's so dumb and demeaning.
Not me, but I hate myself for many of the decisions I've made that ran counter to what I wanted emotionally. I think most people will end up with regrets either way.
Sometimes you have more than one emotion.
I have never watched this show, but from the outside looking in I saw it launch to universal praise only to turn to a burned field of ash and broken dreams, so I keept myself away from it.
As someone who watched this, I don't actually remember this scene. I will say the character in question is 14 and has absorbed a lot of misconceptions about how girls are, e.g., when she was younger and an idol, she fat-shamed her biggest fan. Rika talks like she's absorbed a lot of toxic messaging from the men in her life or stuff her mom absorbed.
In one scene, an adult man told her at a young age "A beautiful woman never needs a wallet" and given what her mom is like I imagine she's said stuff like that. This is to make the case that the character in question is flawed like this on purpose, if I am being generous.
WEP is stupid as well. LIKE TURBO STUPID.It's a big example of why feminism is needed when unpacking gender dynamics. It understands the suffering of young girls or teenage girls so well, but misses the mark as to why. So much imploded in the end and so many young creatives burnt out trying to make this that the stupid elements of its plot aren't addressed or fleshed out to make sense.
I'd would never recommend this show blindly to anyone, cause the content warning list is long and painful but like watch Revolutionary Girl Utena to understand what this show was trying to do narratively.
A 14-year-old referring to herself as a woman also seems odd.
That's just the Japanese language.
That is the English language.
why are people downvoting you i thought this was funny 😭😭😭😭😭
Such a weird, weird stereotype when Men are the ones running around beating their friends, wives, kids and random Men on the streets who offend their delicate senses.
Men are the ones who kill their pregnant wives in a fit of rage then write regretful poems about it for years after.
We all know who's much more likely to act irrationally and cause trouble for everyone because they're emotional but I think those people don't really consider anger an emotion.
They say women are emotional then they point at a stressed out married single mother of five getting rightfully frustrated at a cheating husband or one who refuses to help around the house or at least be less of a burden and claim she has reached the heights of irrational behavior.
Meanwhile Men are killing each other over silly altercations at a bar or someone daring to call their wive pretty or whatever. Or literally losing their career, reputation, families and everything they have because they wanna fuck an underaged girl and they're somehow the 'rational leaders' gender.
This is not an example but the original meme it's riffing on definitely is.
Wtf is that that's fucking hilarious 😂 seriously though when I wrote this what was on my mind was that ancient king who killed his pregnant wife then found a boy who looked like her, castrated and then married him. Because, y'know. He got sentimental over the dead wifey… that he beat to death.
Or that weirdo from the famous portrait. The one hugging the corpse of the son he killed looking hella traumatized. It's almost like… maybe don't kill your loved ones, Men?? Maybe they won't die if you don't kill them?? Smh
I was just talking about crimes of passion in general (like the one at the opening of Minority Report) and the meme that distills them all into the simplest purest ape form, and which is so applicable to other settings.
That king's example is really really extreme.
The meme can also be genderflipped. See also, Medea.
They may still die if you don't but they definitely will if you do!
The Silent Hill 2 example is really unique in that the wife had been slowly dying of an incurable disease for years and the husband killed her partly out of mercy and party out of caregiver burnout and he was so miserable afterward he went to kill himself in the resort town they had their honeymoon in. Then the game happens and he ends up fighting a monstrous incarnation of his memories and desires of her. Depending on what he's done until then, he may yet kill himself, or leave with a fake version of his wife created by the town to please and tempt him, or process his grief properly and leave with a new adoptive daughter. So it's a completely different kind of "kill wife, wife gone, regret".
Hmm, and men never do this of course.
This show was going so good and even tackled some pretty tough things that girls go through but then literally bait and switched in the end to making the Main girl seem like a jealous "bitch" for also wanting a grown man. The show in the beginning literally implies through artistic framing that the adult man is a predator and preying on her friend. Like there's terrible ominous music that plays whenever he's on screen, he's cast in shadow constantly so it looks like he's evil. The MC's memories of him are always vague and filled with a sense of dread. But nope in the end the message is "The MC was just jealous this grown man was giving her friend more attention and THAT'S what drove her and her friend apart :3"
I always have this conspiracy that the writing team changed to some weird incel in the end lol.
yo guys the immeasurable disappointment i have from this anime is unreal. i can write essay about it.
it started so SO good too.
turned out the writer is the one who wrote a show where a little girl is abused daily and in each episode, the abuse is the main highlight. its practically whump of elementary/middleschool girl (the series is long ish)
Holy fuck this show had so much priority then became Rotten Egg Priority in both story and animation
I still get upset about it sometimes
This reads like the kinda shit a female abuser says to justify her abuse.
Because anime men are known for always being cool and collected and never shouting or overreacting.
I like to pretend that only the first half of the show exists
if I had $1 for every time anime did this, or a fanfic writer did this
yeah, I do be the same, but not because my gender
Men start wars.
That's because of patriarchal norms.
If women were allowed to be in charge more, they'd also start wars.
Maria Theresa: *laughs in 7-year war after blaming it on Frederick II*
How recent is this?
few years ago
Very rational of her to see her emotional irrationality /s
I’m a straw man, so I say whatever fits the views of my author
One absurd thing I remember from this anime is one of the girls saying "men are goal oriented and women are emotion oriented". Bruh goals are an emotional thing
Anime moment lol. I typically don't expect much good there.
Bayonetta, to this day, is the only character I've ever seen use the "I am a woman" card very well, and to great effect.
I'm gonna say this one is fine. People often willingly put themselves into negativ stereotypes, to use it as an excause for bad behaviour. It's scummy behaviour, but it is something that happens, especially with conservative women, who find themselves squeezed on all sides by these stereotypes but has to accept them. Unless this behaviour is unfit for this character, tgen yeah, it's just sexist.
This show started so good and promising it really fell apart in that second half
Either she's joking or she's making excuses. In either case I suspect she's not being 100% honest.