You can always add "Before:2020" or some other year in the search results to only show results older than whatever year you put in, which helps a bit. Can't find anything newer this way though.
Because mass production of content is preferred by recommendation algorithms, like bot rigs inflating the views and likes to boost their reach. It's dead internet theory all the way down
I've gotten I think two kinda obviously sus vocaloid ones so far? Both with multiple albums, and the latest one with 3 days between each lmao. I ruled out the idea of it being a new to spotify artist with a backlog too, since for the first one they had 0 online presence as well, but its just kinda funny that you'd use AI for this in particular.
The other one I got yesterday was one of those shitty Shoujo A covers - think I also got a more infamous one a while ago though.
Why listen to any music if its all just the same notes in different orders? Could it be that people can like how something sounds just for the sake of it?
because music is an expression of ourselves, just like every form of art. It can be the same notes in different order or it can take you though an emotional journey. Same thing applies for all the other form of art, why you go to a museum if you can have perfect pictures AI generated? and so on.. you go there because someone has something to say that resonates with yourself. We don't seek perfection, we seek emotions.
To err is human, and art without error is inhuman and therefore poor art.
EDIT: Okay, folks are DMing me to argue, and i don't wanna, so:
AI isn't art and it's pointless arguing about it. Art is an intrinsically human endeavor. It's the practice of taking something you feel and expressing it so that you can understand it better. You do that imperfectly, because you are human, and that's what makes art special; it's a dialogue between the creator and the audience.
That's how I perceive art, if you feel differently that's cool but we're not going to convince each other.
I suppose that if you spend a ton of time with prompting and write your own lyrics, that's art, but I've yet to hear it sound good. AI is slop and it's choking the creativity out of people.
An error is when you do something you didn't intend to do. Generative music isn't developed with any intention. The error in any art produces beauty in that it touches upon the sublime act of creation being different than what was originally intended.
Humans get taken on emotional journeys watching a bird escape a cat
Whether you get your emotions from a human playing an instrument, or an AI playing an instrument directed by a human, or from a natural process - the important part is you feel something
Oh yea at my job its horrible, there are even songs that kinda sound like popular songs but are just off a tiny bit. And then we have an ai song that starts like the battles from 8 mile, with just the beat and then goes into a weirdly happy popsong..
If it's a song mix on YouTube without a playlist and the comments turned off, I skip. They should be forced to tell us if it's AI or not instead of having us play this game. If it's so good why are they hiding it?
Why do so many of these bots sound exactly the same? It’s all meaningless agreeing statements and platitudes. The fuck is with their obsession with the word “chaos,” too?
Pretty much any retailstore in western Europe afaik, bc they dont have to pay licenses and the only other free option is regular radio which has commercials of other brand oh the horror!
"AI" is a fucking invasive species at this point. Shit is everywhere, it doesn't do anything useful (at least not for the general populace) and it's harmful to the environment.
I have yet to encounter a problem that I cannot solve without the use of "AI"
To offer a devils advocate argument, as a state employee we are usually underfunded and don’t always have enough time to complete the necessary projects but I have managed to use AI many times to source only from inputs and date and it saves me a lot of time, for broad internet research you can configure and give the AI parameters to be extremely useful saving a lot of time and headaches.
Look, I get that some of you don't get past the AI slop art, music and ChatGPT stuff, and you tend to think AI is just that. But that is a deeply ignorant take.
AI is contributing to HUGE improvements in modern medicine, physics or quantum computing. Saying that AI is useless just goes to show how ignorant the general population is when it comes to the technology. AI is not just Google/OpenAI/Anthropic.
I can shit on Volkswagen for faking their emission reports 10 years ago, but that doesn't mean I have to hate cars, nor do I deny the huge, beneficial impact cars have had in modern society.
We got to start separating the tech, from the greedy companies abusing the tech.
There is a big difference between the huge “know everything” LLMs that exist today and the specialized neural networks that aided the advancements you’re talking about.
Would you rather get a diagnosis from a guy who claims to know everything because he reads Wikipedia articles and Reddit threads all day, or the doctor who specifically went to school to study disease using an incredibly deep analysis of proven scientific research?
First person to object my criticism objectively and doesn't insult me.
AI is contributing to HUGE improvements in modern medicine, physics or quantum computing.
This is what I'd expect it to be used for. However the sheer amounts of tits and misinformation is quite baffling and contrary.
And yes, "AI" as something new and "cool" is obviously being monetized to fuck and back.
Do you have any sources for this? I'm not trying to undermine your point.
We got to start separating the tech, from the greedy companies abusing the tech.
Good luck with this on Reddit. But yes, I agree. I think "AI" can be an extremely helpful tool but not by being forced into everything and by using it to cheaply replace people to do a sub-par job.
The Internet is a vessel for tits and misinformation while AI is the physical embodiment of the Internet. AI is like the final boss of tits and misinformation.
When people talk about the problems with ai, most of the time they're talking about generative ai, like chat gpt and character.ai (you're points are correct, just wanted to clear that up)
"AI" which isn't really AI, was doing this for years before all the hype turned the markets into nothing but "AI". I don't think anyone debates the value added for large information insights and automation. The larger negative sentiment of AI stems from what's been mass marketed as "AI" which is crappy music, broken images, terrible video, and made up information forced on the global population as "THIS IS THE FUTURE", leading to minimizing innovations in other sectors, justifications of massive layoffs / profit grabs / environmental devastation / deregulation / removal of social programs / reduction in education - all while we sit around powerless and just waiting for this obvious false economy to pop.
It is their attempt at bringing on the final form of mindless music consumption where they don't have to pay artists because all the music is generated, not created.
They don't pay artists to begin with. Most of the artist cut is eaten by middlemen and the recording studio. Musicians only make money touring, and it has been that way for decades.
i mean the biggest genres are basically like this anyway. the stuff that sells like crazy, for example pop and country, are often just made by producers who quite literally follow a formula. whats the difference if its max martin doing it or an AI doing it? they are essentially doing the same thing.
if people like the result, so what? yeah the performer is a performer and not a musician, but thats how its already. the stars dont write their own songs, their voice is heavily altered in the recording of said song, they often cant play a single instrument, etc. ai really is no change at all to how it already is.
if you like mainstream pop style music you already listen to things just as completely devoid of soul as something made with ai is. if you like that, then GOOD, who cares if its a soulless formula or not? what matters is if YOU like it when YOU listen.
if you wanna be elitist about music i sure hope you never enjoyed anything on the radio.
Suno is impressive and depressing at the same time. I play around with the free credits to make shitty music when I'm bored (make a techno polka song about shoving a fork into an electrical socket type stuff)
Interestingly lately it seems to be pushing everything to a country twinge which makes me think there's a whole fuckload of people generating AI country. iirc the first AI song to chart was country?
Admittedly it can rip out a banger ballad about my how girlfriend left me to marry a shotgun and my dog stole my truck and started running moonshine, but at least I still got my American flag.
As a hobbyist actual musician I'm interested in the tech in the sense of using it to help sketch a song or as a jamming partner. When youre in your 30s and 40s and everyone's married with kids it's not easy to get a bunch of people together to hang out in the garage for half a day banging out ideas, and the greater music scene around here is meh... either cover bands or death metal.
Makes sense, country music was already farcically formulaic and trite. Fans wouldn’t notice if it was literally procedurally generated instead of just practically procedurally generated.
I watched a video of a hip hop producer using it to generate drum breaks, bass lines, and other parts of a song the sampling those to make his own beat. It was pretty interesting and it still had a significant human element to it.
I find that it fills the gaps for music that will never come to be normally.
Songs about certain classes in D&D?
Never knew of any that existed until Endless Tavern started releasing them such as Bardic Inspiration and Arcane Recovery.
Cover of a song that would never happen?
Now we have a Warhammer cover of I'm Still Standing and a Chainsaw Man's OP done by Dio Brando.
A song about telling the customer off in vintage bass style? The Customer is Always Wrong has got you.
Now do I think all AI music is good? No, not really, sometimes it'll give headache though I couldn't tell you if that's because of the pitch or tempo some of those songs are at. But I still think there's a perfectly good reason for it to exist.
I hate the idea of AI music too but... it's hard to admit some of it sounds good to my ear. I went to college for music and I feel like I'm supposed to hold myself to a higher standard for this kind of thing. Yet, I can't deny some of it is catchy.
A friend linked me this cover and all I could think of was, "this sounds like a professional arranged this". That being said, it feels a little dirty to listen to.
People with functioning ears and especially those who create music know what time it is. And they're impressed, bewildered and worried.
Meanwhile, the rest signal their virtue and pretend they'd never, but you know as well as I do that they'd love this stuff if it weren't for the decidedly uncool "AI" fact.
You can do albums and entire careers with AI, as long as it's behind a likable human mouthpiece. As long as that condition is met, the muggles will project all the snake oil into the product themselves. Suddenly, it will be "soulful", "creative" and any other buzzword you can think of.
I realized this recently when my friend started messing around with AI music software. Outside of vocals I can't tell the fucking difference. Which is upsetting to say the least.
Who knows what random artists I've enjoyed on Spotify that may just be a human voice over ai instruments it would be impossible for me to tell at this point.
I assume a lot of rappers will switch to ai beats.. it's hard to assume they wouldn't.
100%. Anybody who acts like they haven’t liked something created by AI is most likely full of shit. They’re just mad BECAUSE they like something created by AI but they want to act like they’re better than that.
I mean, what? Virtue signaling on Reddit? No way, never. /s
I had an argument on this topic online. His argument was "AI doesn't have experience, child trauma, etc, so it can't create something soulful". I tried to explain PEOPLE's ideas are conveyed with help of AI often.
Also, why do we rate some work based on expended effort? Imagine you listened to some song, and you loved it completely. Later you find out it's made by AI, and what, you somehow loose ability to get satisfaction again?
I’m a trained musician who now works in marketing, often making video content.
I’ve made my own custom music because I know the “vibe” that fits the story. I’ve also spend hours scouring through libraries trying to find the right one.
With a little under 15 minutes, I can generate a song (and sfx) that fits my work.
I don’t think it’s over for artists, but I do think there are a very large number of people who don’t care as long as it feels good to them.
I'm a flutist in a mini orchestra since almost ten years now. Someone send me a video of "Smooth criminal classical version" and man, I don't do this for a living but I got scared for the people who does.
Yeah it's game over. AI has already won and it's just a matter of time. Soon artists will stop complaining about not being paid enough for streams and will be asking to pay for plays to gain enough exposure in hopes of selling live performances. The artists that alas have a following will likely be fine but trying to break through as a new artist will be next to impossible. It was already difficult but AI multiplies the competition by an unimaginable amount.
Someone will launch an AI free music streaming app to try combating it but it won't catch on because they won't have the money to compete with the established players and their expenses will be higher.
I'd be surprised if soon they don't have full on concerts at real venues where the "artists" are just AI generated videos on a big screen playing the most popular AI songs. I think I might have already seen something like that happening in Japan.
Idk if I'm crazy but that sounded horribly boring and flat.
It's like those selfie filters that make everyone look the same. It took pumped up kicks, erased everything unique about it, and then applied a country style filter over the lyrics.
I think the good thing about it is making your own music or, if you enjoy writing lyrics but can't compose, to see your writing in motion. Some people have made some entertaining stuff with their creative writing.
I think it's pretty neat. It's not replacing humanity anywhere as there will always be a demand for real human expression. At best case scenario, it gives more people more tools to create.
When people complain about AI art, it's 99% about capitalism misusing it to usher a consumerism dystopia but they literally cannot see it this way and would rather think the problem is either the need for more laws (ensuring more power to billionaires who can buy rights) or outright banning.
That's the thing with AI I think. Yes you can just slop stuff out without any creative intent, but we're also seeing it used by people who are passionate about a particular type of art to facilitate delivering that art as a multimedia project. A song is much harder to make than lyrics, you need to be skilled at more things. It used to be that the lyricist would go and find a composer to work with and then a band and a vocalist to perform the composition, but now, AI is allowing lyricists who don't have the ability to work with others - due to financial or social constraints - to see the complete product and not just lyrics that will never be realised.
Of course in an ideal world that person would become a polymath and do all the pieces themselves, but only ZUN has time for that.
As a fan of heavier rock and metal music, it's hard to find artists who make consistent bangers in every aspect, especially without sounding cookie cutter. Then nearly a year ago I discovered a new and upcoming "band" coming up in my suggested feed. Super new, a little over a dozen songs and almost no followers or listeners. In my mind "hey, these new guys sound awesome! I'll give em some support." The next dozen or so songs became immediate additions to my work playlist.
Eventually I caught on and looked them up again... no info about them. Just songs on youtube and spotify totalling over a hundred songs this year alone and a new one every couple days. The sad part? The music's actually epic lyrically, instrumentally, rhythmically, and it's not cookie cutter like the rest of the industry.
I almost ran into the same thing, but noticed the crazy productivity and caught on pretty quickly. If these guys hadn't been greedy and instead released an album every six months, I'd have been completely fooled into thinking these were a talented small-time band with a lot of creativity and joie-de-vivre.
This was cookie-cutter music but with a very creative lyricist — who makes a whole symphonic metal song about a frying pan?
Isn't that a good thing? I would rather know how the things I see were produced so I can make a decision about whether or not I want to consume them, than someone try to trick me about the nature of the product.
I think the same when I hear people say they like Techno, Hard Bass, Dubstep, Nightcore, most hip hop genres and death metal. But I atleast let people like what they want while judging them in private.
It has become difficult finding actual Japanese 70-80s city pop nowadays. YouTube is filled to the brim with shitty AI music pretending to be actual music.
Honestly, AI and big tech didn’t kill art; they assembly‑lined it. Recs reward copyable stuff, so one‑click songs flood the feed and the human texture thins. The twist is some of it slaps—that’s what stings. I care about credit and sincerity. Label it, don’t puppeteer dead voices, respect the makers—that’s the minimum.
I know a person who is an actual songwriter but uses suno for the vocals and instrumentals and while he's a good songwriter I think it would be better if he partnered with some actual musicians rather than utilize AI.
I recently got into nerdcore. I dont watch anime. I have seen deathnote when I was a teen but that is about it. Brother, Divide and Fabvl are so fucking talented singing about some anime characters. like is this song, "lost it all" from Fabvl. HOLY SHIT he sings his heart out like I can picture him with a vein on his forehead ready to burst. the man is talented, intense and raw. AI could never, ever, EVER replicate a fraction of this man's talent. Absolute high art
Just cancelled my subscription to a finance app Snoop, which is totally unrelated to any AI use, because it pushed an article to me advertising AI music and video tools. It's insipid.
At the 2:53 timestamp, he says "Bro!" with SO MUCH SOUL. And the damned thing has no soul. It's tragic. And I'm furious at myself for listening to it on loop.
The first time I felt like AI crossed a line was when the new Linkin Park album came out. If you don't follow them, their lead singer, Chester Bennington, committed suicide in 2017. It was heartbreaking and we all grieved his loss.
After a LONG haitus, Linkin Park returned in late 2024 with a new lead singer. Emily Armstrong.
But a minute after the songs went online, some jackass filtered her vocals with AI and made it sound like Chester sang them. And that felt like desecrating a grave.
Massive linkin park fan, and couldn't bring my self to listen to any of their new stuff as it wasn't "Linkin Park".
Convinced by a friend to try "two faced" and while its not the same, I feel like she did the band and its history right, and ive got a few of their newer stuff on rotation. She sounds more angry than in pain, but i feel it was a good direction.
Replacing her with an AI voice degrades their direction, their history and what makes them what they are. Interesting concept, bad place and context.
"AI music" is a broad category, from songs generated in one click, to songs where every bit was generated an re-generated hundreds of times using detailed prompts and source audio files, until the creator found it perfect.
AI songs by themselves would just be a weird toy, it is the labels going "great, now we never have to pay another struggling artist again" that really makes it feel like stepping in something gross.
According to Spotify, out of top 15 most streamed sings in Poland, 8 were made by AI called "Kutas Records" (translating to english - "Cock Records").
How do I explain this music: Imagine locking up 100 sexually repressed gay guys in a room and tell them to make the gayest song possible. And yes, I mean that literally - EVERY song they make is about gay sex and dicks.
I'm against AI "art" but damn, these songs are better than 95% of polish musical industry.
Hottest take of them all (not a bait, I swear): Now I hate AI music generally and skip it with passion to let Spotify algorithm know I don't like that shit in my playlists, but considering how much general population likes to listen to overproduced shit that doesn't use any actual musical instruments and singing is shrouded in 20 fucking layers of voice filters... I seriously don't think most people should even be making a point about AI music, as more often than not it still sounds more human made than some crap humans put out.
But yeah. At least they don't destroy environment as much, I guess - I mean the shitty "artists" who put out crap that has 20 producers signed in as contribution to their record (despite doing fuck all but pushing some button in software). Then again, these mfs are usually the types to flight private jets everywhere so I'm not even entirely sure about that.
It sucks that the most common fonts have basically nothing to distinguish AI from Al unless we start capitalizing the l to become L. AL yankovic deserves better
And the wildest part? People are straight-up building whole-ass businesses off this shit now lmao. I’ve seen courses like “bro just make an AI that spits out music, slap it on Spotify and cash out from streams.” It’s so f*cking dumb I’m actually out of words 😂
the only reason I hate this is because some brainless mororns are lumping in Vocaloid with them like ew, Deco*27 actually put effort into their songs instead of just telling some clanker to do it for them
They want to monetize and control everything they can. Art is one area they couldn't reach, so they made machines that didn't give the soul real art does.
I've heard good AI music before, if its one day capable of producing good music people enjoy i don't see the problem. It just gives us further reason to experiment and find new sounds not stolen by the tech zeitgeist
I’m gonna get lynched for saying this in this thread, but I don’t really mind that art/music is made by ai, by a guy in a basement who just wanted to listen to some specific rock for free.
The first problem however is when these people, think they are- and expect you to call them artists…
Artist implies that you created the art. Idc how long you spent on writing prompts, it will never even be a fraction of the work that goes into making art yourself.
The second problem is when it’s used to replace humans. I don’t mind if it assists humans, as long as it doesn’t cut them out from the equation.
The third is when people use the ais work to make money without disclosing its usage. Especially so when straight up copying others work.
I mean, the whole art industry has been copying other people's / nature's work for generations. Very seldom do people "create" things, they iterate on existing ones.
Some make splatters on canvas and get heralded as a genius only after they pass away.
I probably differ from you in a few areas, but pretty much this. AI isn’t inherently evil. It’s a developing technology with tons of potential and far too much hype for where it’s at currently. It’s fine if people want to use it and most of the time arguments against it say more about the complainer than the AI. It’s not good enough yet to be a threat in truly creative spaces.
It is a problem when people conflate AI and non-AI art, and is a problem when people aren’t open about using AI. But if everything is transparent and the rules of whatever platform it’s on are followed, there is no issue.
Fuck clankers and all stupid CEOs who shove this down the throat of their VPs and downstream. You don’t need Clippy in your WhatsApp or Instagram.
On the side note, fact checking morons with grok is sometimes ok, but it works like 50% of the time. I like to see them lose their shit when they’re actually wrong and rightist, centrist and leftist media proves the fact.
Why listen to AI music when quite literally every genre has been produced by some Japanese guy in a windowless room using Vocaloid software.
Would be hilarious if some AI company was outsourcing the song requests to 700 Indian guys to produce in a few minutes.
AI, Actually Indians
Autotune Indians
Cherznos roaping oan airn oirpin fyeeee
Anuc Atittawan is a saint! You understand me?! Anuc Atittawan is a saint!
I wonder if it would be more power efficient to feed the Indian guys than to use ai
Take a look around the work culture of India. It's wayy more efficient for corporates if they underfed us
*ques neuro singing
I keep trying to find compilations on YouTube to use for my D&D sessions but it's all swamped by AI now.
You can always add "Before:2020" or some other year in the search results to only show results older than whatever year you put in, which helps a bit. Can't find anything newer this way though.
Until they develop an algorithm that goes back in time
Because mass production of content is preferred by recommendation algorithms, like bot rigs inflating the views and likes to boost their reach. It's dead internet theory all the way down
Even AI has started to take over the Vocaloid space. It’s hard to find hidden gems with all the ai slop that circulates music platforms
No, it hasn't. 95% of "hidden" vocaloid music has always been pretty terrible, now it's terrible in a different way.
I mean, now it’s 99% lol. Most of my favourite songs are quite obscure
I've gotten I think two kinda obviously sus vocaloid ones so far? Both with multiple albums, and the latest one with 3 days between each lmao. I ruled out the idea of it being a new to spotify artist with a backlog too, since for the first one they had 0 online presence as well, but its just kinda funny that you'd use AI for this in particular.
The other one I got yesterday was one of those shitty Shoujo A covers - think I also got a more infamous one a while ago though.
Why listen to any music if its all just the same notes in different orders? Could it be that people can like how something sounds just for the sake of it?
because music is an expression of ourselves, just like every form of art. It can be the same notes in different order or it can take you though an emotional journey. Same thing applies for all the other form of art, why you go to a museum if you can have perfect pictures AI generated? and so on.. you go there because someone has something to say that resonates with yourself. We don't seek perfection, we seek emotions.
To err is human, and art without error is inhuman and therefore poor art.
EDIT: Okay, folks are DMing me to argue, and i don't wanna, so:
AI isn't art and it's pointless arguing about it. Art is an intrinsically human endeavor. It's the practice of taking something you feel and expressing it so that you can understand it better. You do that imperfectly, because you are human, and that's what makes art special; it's a dialogue between the creator and the audience.
That's how I perceive art, if you feel differently that's cool but we're not going to convince each other.
I suppose that if you spend a ton of time with prompting and write your own lyrics, that's art, but I've yet to hear it sound good. AI is slop and it's choking the creativity out of people.
Clearly you haven't listened to AI music. By your criteria it's the most human art we've ever made.
An error is when you do something you didn't intend to do. Generative music isn't developed with any intention. The error in any art produces beauty in that it touches upon the sublime act of creation being different than what was originally intended.
Humans get emotional watching the sunrise
Humans get taken on emotional journeys watching a bird escape a cat
Whether you get your emotions from a human playing an instrument, or an AI playing an instrument directed by a human, or from a natural process - the important part is you feel something
I never know the artists anyway and if it sounds good why should I care if it is AI or not
Oh yea at my job its horrible, there are even songs that kinda sound like popular songs but are just off a tiny bit. And then we have an ai song that starts like the battles from 8 mile, with just the beat and then goes into a weirdly happy popsong..
If it's a song mix on YouTube without a playlist and the comments turned off, I skip. They should be forced to tell us if it's AI or not instead of having us play this game. If it's so good why are they hiding it?
They tell us at the bottom of the descriptions of the video.
...In the bottom drawer of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign saying "beware of the leopard".
You should have the right to delete that video from existence.
…at your job? Where are you that they’re playing AI over the speakers?
Retail
Well, look on the bright side: everything else about working retail is worse.
Sounds like AI's just remixing chaos now. Who knew "weirdly happy pop" was a genre.
Dude literally YOU are AI
Why do so many of these bots sound exactly the same? It’s all meaningless agreeing statements and platitudes. The fuck is with their obsession with the word “chaos,” too?
Because most of them are paid by corporate accounts, so they have to sound somewhat corporate.
Where tf do you work that they play that dumb shit? Abercrombie and fitch?
Pretty much any retailstore in western Europe afaik, bc they dont have to pay licenses and the only other free option is regular radio which has commercials of other brand oh the horror!
Damn that sucks man
Poor Weird Al he doesn't deserve all this hate
Baseball, huh ?
Different Al
Oh shit you're right... Same name though. Me stoopid.
Bad time to have the name Al
Because AI is an investment.
AI is supposedly the "next big thing", akin to the internet, smartphones, EVs, etc.
So those who are pro-AI are doing their absolute best to make sure their investments in AI will pay off, otherwise they just lost a lot of money.
Yea well... fuck 'em.
"AI" is a fucking invasive species at this point. Shit is everywhere, it doesn't do anything useful (at least not for the general populace) and it's harmful to the environment.
I have yet to encounter a problem that I cannot solve without the use of "AI"
But have you thought of the shareholders?
Who will think of the shareholders?!
That Incredibles scene lives rent free in my head.
I am a shareholder, and I say to myself, fuck you.
I gasp at thee
Unfortunately it will probably drag the rest of the economy
I'm thinking of the day everything they have is worth nothing.
Oh fuck me! You're absolutely right! Let's go start a gofundme page for all those poor, poor rich people who are missing out on so much money.
To offer a devils advocate argument, as a state employee we are usually underfunded and don’t always have enough time to complete the necessary projects but I have managed to use AI many times to source only from inputs and date and it saves me a lot of time, for broad internet research you can configure and give the AI parameters to be extremely useful saving a lot of time and headaches.
Doesn't do anything useful?
Look, I get that some of you don't get past the AI slop art, music and ChatGPT stuff, and you tend to think AI is just that. But that is a deeply ignorant take.
AI is contributing to HUGE improvements in modern medicine, physics or quantum computing. Saying that AI is useless just goes to show how ignorant the general population is when it comes to the technology. AI is not just Google/OpenAI/Anthropic.
I can shit on Volkswagen for faking their emission reports 10 years ago, but that doesn't mean I have to hate cars, nor do I deny the huge, beneficial impact cars have had in modern society.
We got to start separating the tech, from the greedy companies abusing the tech.
There is a big difference between the huge “know everything” LLMs that exist today and the specialized neural networks that aided the advancements you’re talking about.
Would you rather get a diagnosis from a guy who claims to know everything because he reads Wikipedia articles and Reddit threads all day, or the doctor who specifically went to school to study disease using an incredibly deep analysis of proven scientific research?
First person to object my criticism objectively and doesn't insult me.
This is what I'd expect it to be used for. However the sheer amounts of tits and misinformation is quite baffling and contrary.
And yes, "AI" as something new and "cool" is obviously being monetized to fuck and back.
Do you have any sources for this? I'm not trying to undermine your point.
Good luck with this on Reddit. But yes, I agree. I think "AI" can be an extremely helpful tool but not by being forced into everything and by using it to cheaply replace people to do a sub-par job.
There is a certain irony in using the internet to express this opinion, an invention that is itself 95% tits and misinformation
The Internet is a vessel for tits and misinformation while AI is the physical embodiment of the Internet. AI is like the final boss of tits and misinformation.
Is it being shunted in everywhere or is it the new big thing and that's just kind of what we do with it new big things?
The argument feels like this is something unique to AI. When we are really all just complaining
About corporatism lol
Remember 3D movies hahahahaha
Same deal, just in cinema.
When people talk about the problems with ai, most of the time they're talking about generative ai, like chat gpt and character.ai (you're points are correct, just wanted to clear that up)
"AI" which isn't really AI, was doing this for years before all the hype turned the markets into nothing but "AI". I don't think anyone debates the value added for large information insights and automation. The larger negative sentiment of AI stems from what's been mass marketed as "AI" which is crappy music, broken images, terrible video, and made up information forced on the global population as "THIS IS THE FUTURE", leading to minimizing innovations in other sectors, justifications of massive layoffs / profit grabs / environmental devastation / deregulation / removal of social programs / reduction in education - all while we sit around powerless and just waiting for this obvious false economy to pop.
You say supposedly as though adoption isn't already massive
The problem is getting the masses to jump from being free users to paying
They’ll not get a penny from me
Adoption is massive, but will the increased "productivity" be enough to pay the bills?
Well the fun part is you don’t get paid more for being more productive. In fact, you might get laid off!
🎶WE ARE CHARLIE KIIIIIRK 🎶
WE CARRY THE FLAME
WE FIGHT FOR THE GOSPEL
WE’LL HONOR HIS NAME
It is their attempt at bringing on the final form of mindless music consumption where they don't have to pay artists because all the music is generated, not created.
They don't pay artists to begin with. Most of the artist cut is eaten by middlemen and the recording studio. Musicians only make money touring, and it has been that way for decades.
Well, yeah, but streamers still have to pay someone to use the music and they'd prefer to pay no one if they can help it.
i mean the biggest genres are basically like this anyway. the stuff that sells like crazy, for example pop and country, are often just made by producers who quite literally follow a formula. whats the difference if its max martin doing it or an AI doing it? they are essentially doing the same thing.
if people like the result, so what? yeah the performer is a performer and not a musician, but thats how its already. the stars dont write their own songs, their voice is heavily altered in the recording of said song, they often cant play a single instrument, etc. ai really is no change at all to how it already is.
if you like mainstream pop style music you already listen to things just as completely devoid of soul as something made with ai is. if you like that, then GOOD, who cares if its a soulless formula or not? what matters is if YOU like it when YOU listen.
if you wanna be elitist about music i sure hope you never enjoyed anything on the radio.
Suno is impressive and depressing at the same time. I play around with the free credits to make shitty music when I'm bored (make a techno polka song about shoving a fork into an electrical socket type stuff)
Interestingly lately it seems to be pushing everything to a country twinge which makes me think there's a whole fuckload of people generating AI country. iirc the first AI song to chart was country?
Admittedly it can rip out a banger ballad about my how girlfriend left me to marry a shotgun and my dog stole my truck and started running moonshine, but at least I still got my American flag.
As a hobbyist actual musician I'm interested in the tech in the sense of using it to help sketch a song or as a jamming partner. When youre in your 30s and 40s and everyone's married with kids it's not easy to get a bunch of people together to hang out in the garage for half a day banging out ideas, and the greater music scene around here is meh... either cover bands or death metal.
Makes sense, country music was already farcically formulaic and trite. Fans wouldn’t notice if it was literally procedurally generated instead of just practically procedurally generated.
You're describing every genre of music. Not a fan of country, but it's less formulaic (IMO) than pop music. The biggest offender would be mumble rap.
I watched a video of a hip hop producer using it to generate drum breaks, bass lines, and other parts of a song the sampling those to make his own beat. It was pretty interesting and it still had a significant human element to it.
Why listen to AI music when you can listen to a human with it's voice so distorted by auto tune that it sounds like AI anyways
AI unironically sounds more human than some artists.
I can't see how someone can listen to Travis Scott and then say AI sucks, the dude sounds more like AI then AI itself
I find that it fills the gaps for music that will never come to be normally.
Songs about certain classes in D&D?
Never knew of any that existed until Endless Tavern started releasing them such as Bardic Inspiration and Arcane Recovery.
Cover of a song that would never happen?
Now we have a Warhammer cover of I'm Still Standing and a Chainsaw Man's OP done by Dio Brando.
A song about telling the customer off in vintage bass style? The Customer is Always Wrong has got you.
Now do I think all AI music is good? No, not really, sometimes it'll give headache though I couldn't tell you if that's because of the pitch or tempo some of those songs are at. But I still think there's a perfectly good reason for it to exist.
Took the words right out of my mouth
You will be down voted to hell (not by me, i enjoy AI music, yeah i said it), but you're right.
This ain’t ruined music for me. Maybe stop listening to a song when you figure out it’s AI, then you can be chill about it too
It's just made music harder to find, I was already digging through trash for diamonds and now I got ai slop making it 100x worse
You can block artists on Spotify too when you find out their Ai
I cant fathom how shit your music taste must be to enjoy ai music
Well there's shittier music than AI existing... Just yesterday at work I wanted to smash the fucking radio
there’s enough music in the world that you should be able to find something. Just like AI, it boils down to being fucking lazy
I hate the idea of AI music too but... it's hard to admit some of it sounds good to my ear. I went to college for music and I feel like I'm supposed to hold myself to a higher standard for this kind of thing. Yet, I can't deny some of it is catchy.
A friend linked me this cover and all I could think of was, "this sounds like a professional arranged this". That being said, it feels a little dirty to listen to.
https://youtu.be/J4WhLVR3Wec?si=9JBaFGXxvn_fVu2y
People with functioning ears and especially those who create music know what time it is. And they're impressed, bewildered and worried.
Meanwhile, the rest signal their virtue and pretend they'd never, but you know as well as I do that they'd love this stuff if it weren't for the decidedly uncool "AI" fact.
You can do albums and entire careers with AI, as long as it's behind a likable human mouthpiece. As long as that condition is met, the muggles will project all the snake oil into the product themselves. Suddenly, it will be "soulful", "creative" and any other buzzword you can think of.
I realized this recently when my friend started messing around with AI music software. Outside of vocals I can't tell the fucking difference. Which is upsetting to say the least.
Who knows what random artists I've enjoyed on Spotify that may just be a human voice over ai instruments it would be impossible for me to tell at this point.
I assume a lot of rappers will switch to ai beats.. it's hard to assume they wouldn't.
100%. Anybody who acts like they haven’t liked something created by AI is most likely full of shit. They’re just mad BECAUSE they like something created by AI but they want to act like they’re better than that.
I mean, what? Virtue signaling on Reddit? No way, never. /s
Intuition comes first, reasoning second
Their gut tells them AI music is wrong because it's AI, so they unconsciously come up with rationalizations to justify that feeling
It's the same for all humans, but we don't all have the same intuitions or gut feelings
I had an argument on this topic online. His argument was "AI doesn't have experience, child trauma, etc, so it can't create something soulful". I tried to explain PEOPLE's ideas are conveyed with help of AI often.
Also, why do we rate some work based on expended effort? Imagine you listened to some song, and you loved it completely. Later you find out it's made by AI, and what, you somehow loose ability to get satisfaction again?
I’m a trained musician who now works in marketing, often making video content.
I’ve made my own custom music because I know the “vibe” that fits the story. I’ve also spend hours scouring through libraries trying to find the right one.
With a little under 15 minutes, I can generate a song (and sfx) that fits my work.
I don’t think it’s over for artists, but I do think there are a very large number of people who don’t care as long as it feels good to them.
I'm a flutist in a mini orchestra since almost ten years now. Someone send me a video of "Smooth criminal classical version" and man, I don't do this for a living but I got scared for the people who does.
Yeah it's game over. AI has already won and it's just a matter of time. Soon artists will stop complaining about not being paid enough for streams and will be asking to pay for plays to gain enough exposure in hopes of selling live performances. The artists that alas have a following will likely be fine but trying to break through as a new artist will be next to impossible. It was already difficult but AI multiplies the competition by an unimaginable amount.
Someone will launch an AI free music streaming app to try combating it but it won't catch on because they won't have the money to compete with the established players and their expenses will be higher.
I'd be surprised if soon they don't have full on concerts at real venues where the "artists" are just AI generated videos on a big screen playing the most popular AI songs. I think I might have already seen something like that happening in Japan.
Idk if I'm crazy but that sounded horribly boring and flat.
It's like those selfie filters that make everyone look the same. It took pumped up kicks, erased everything unique about it, and then applied a country style filter over the lyrics.
Listen there's a lot of dogshit, like a lot, but there's also some banger covers, I don't know if you like Kid Cudi but this mo town cover of day n nite is amazing
I think the good thing about it is making your own music or, if you enjoy writing lyrics but can't compose, to see your writing in motion. Some people have made some entertaining stuff with their creative writing.
I think it's pretty neat. It's not replacing humanity anywhere as there will always be a demand for real human expression. At best case scenario, it gives more people more tools to create.
When people complain about AI art, it's 99% about capitalism misusing it to usher a consumerism dystopia but they literally cannot see it this way and would rather think the problem is either the need for more laws (ensuring more power to billionaires who can buy rights) or outright banning.
That's the thing with AI I think. Yes you can just slop stuff out without any creative intent, but we're also seeing it used by people who are passionate about a particular type of art to facilitate delivering that art as a multimedia project. A song is much harder to make than lyrics, you need to be skilled at more things. It used to be that the lyricist would go and find a composer to work with and then a band and a vocalist to perform the composition, but now, AI is allowing lyricists who don't have the ability to work with others - due to financial or social constraints - to see the complete product and not just lyrics that will never be realised.
Of course in an ideal world that person would become a polymath and do all the pieces themselves, but only ZUN has time for that.
There are like 2 songs I really enjoyed, that are definitely AI generated:
“Fuck it, I cast Fireball” and “Catgirls are canon”
I'm partial to Rubbin' And Tuggin' My Nips and It's Time To Take a Sh*t on the Company’s Dime.
The raunchy comedy AI songs off short form media are great as well.
I'll be completely honest, it's not always easy.
As a fan of heavier rock and metal music, it's hard to find artists who make consistent bangers in every aspect, especially without sounding cookie cutter. Then nearly a year ago I discovered a new and upcoming "band" coming up in my suggested feed. Super new, a little over a dozen songs and almost no followers or listeners. In my mind "hey, these new guys sound awesome! I'll give em some support." The next dozen or so songs became immediate additions to my work playlist.
Eventually I caught on and looked them up again... no info about them. Just songs on youtube and spotify totalling over a hundred songs this year alone and a new one every couple days. The sad part? The music's actually epic lyrically, instrumentally, rhythmically, and it's not cookie cutter like the rest of the industry.
I almost ran into the same thing, but noticed the crazy productivity and caught on pretty quickly. If these guys hadn't been greedy and instead released an album every six months, I'd have been completely fooled into thinking these were a talented small-time band with a lot of creativity and joie-de-vivre.
This was cookie-cutter music but with a very creative lyricist — who makes a whole symphonic metal song about a frying pan?
Isn't that a good thing? I would rather know how the things I see were produced so I can make a decision about whether or not I want to consume them, than someone try to trick me about the nature of the product.
I think the same when I hear people say they like Techno, Hard Bass, Dubstep, Nightcore, most hip hop genres and death metal. But I atleast let people like what they want while judging them in private.
My taste is niche. There's not many artists who make eurobeat with edgy lyrics about vengeance and such.
You say that but unless you're a professional musician or study music I guarantee you wouldn't even notice if a new song you heard was AI
“But have you heard Eminem in 1950s style soul?”
—my fucking brother
I'm ashamed I love these 50s soul covers. Glycerine is amazing https://youtu.be/JWCr4VuSeQw?si=HB3OHsNDSvxY4f3F
have you listened to any pop music for the last 10 years? Latest AI music beats all this s**t be a mile.
I actually can fathom how sad a person you have to be to bring people down for their preferences.
It has become difficult finding actual Japanese 70-80s city pop nowadays. YouTube is filled to the brim with shitty AI music pretending to be actual music.
Pop-countey was AI music before AI existed.
Cold beer. Big truck. Blue jeans. Rural noun. Simple adjective.
Because using AI instead of real people is cheaper and because some folks out there will eat up the slop happily regardless of what it is.
Yeah but most new music is auto tuned to the point that it sounds like AI lol
Honestly, AI and big tech didn’t kill art; they assembly‑lined it. Recs reward copyable stuff, so one‑click songs flood the feed and the human texture thins. The twist is some of it slaps—that’s what stings. I care about credit and sincerity. Label it, don’t puppeteer dead voices, respect the makers—that’s the minimum.
Greed
It would be cool if people returned to libraries
The library still exists. You can go now. No one is stopping you. What are you waiting for?
Maybe they already go and want more people to go to experience the awesomeness of the library?
I agree with you Krogan
I thought it was gonna read "K-pop".
I've never tried AI music but if I vibe with it I'll listen to anything
I know a person who is an actual songwriter but uses suno for the vocals and instrumentals and while he's a good songwriter I think it would be better if he partnered with some actual musicians rather than utilize AI.
I recently got into nerdcore. I dont watch anime. I have seen deathnote when I was a teen but that is about it. Brother, Divide and Fabvl are so fucking talented singing about some anime characters. like is this song, "lost it all" from Fabvl. HOLY SHIT he sings his heart out like I can picture him with a vein on his forehead ready to burst. the man is talented, intense and raw. AI could never, ever, EVER replicate a fraction of this man's talent. Absolute high art
Just cancelled my subscription to a finance app Snoop, which is totally unrelated to any AI use, because it pushed an article to me advertising AI music and video tools. It's insipid.
Not only music, all AI arts
Algorithmically generated noise :/
I hate AI music as much as the next person but Metallica as Funk really slaps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtzhSJxNFQQ&t=902s
Would really like to hear it live though, played by a real band.
I heard an AI song yesterday that's better than the original, and I'm mad at myself for liking it. But I can't stop listening to it.
The Thong Song - Sisqo
At the 2:53 timestamp, he says "Bro!" with SO MUCH SOUL. And the damned thing has no soul. It's tragic. And I'm furious at myself for listening to it on loop.
The first time I felt like AI crossed a line was when the new Linkin Park album came out. If you don't follow them, their lead singer, Chester Bennington, committed suicide in 2017. It was heartbreaking and we all grieved his loss.
After a LONG haitus, Linkin Park returned in late 2024 with a new lead singer. Emily Armstrong.
She killed it. I wasn't ready for how well she took up the mantle.
But a minute after the songs went online, some jackass filtered her vocals with AI and made it sound like Chester sang them. And that felt like desecrating a grave.
Massive linkin park fan, and couldn't bring my self to listen to any of their new stuff as it wasn't "Linkin Park".
Convinced by a friend to try "two faced" and while its not the same, I feel like she did the band and its history right, and ive got a few of their newer stuff on rotation. She sounds more angry than in pain, but i feel it was a good direction.
Replacing her with an AI voice degrades their direction, their history and what makes them what they are. Interesting concept, bad place and context.
Some are good
"AI music" is a broad category, from songs generated in one click, to songs where every bit was generated an re-generated hundreds of times using detailed prompts and source audio files, until the creator found it perfect.
Same energy as using a computer to develop a song rather than playing every instrument yourself.
Some good ones in this category when the change genre, but are done with consideration and music talent, not just changing a few instruments.
Shock Shock Shock
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I've enjoyed some remixes as well. Not sure what the issue is when recent music has been pretty awful.
It's the ai bad herd mentality.
The only good thing about AI music is how quickly I can hit the skip button.
AI songs by themselves would just be a weird toy, it is the labels going "great, now we never have to pay another struggling artist again" that really makes it feel like stepping in something gross.
Bro, let me tell you something horrifying
According to Spotify, out of top 15 most streamed sings in Poland, 8 were made by AI called "Kutas Records" (translating to english - "Cock Records").
How do I explain this music: Imagine locking up 100 sexually repressed gay guys in a room and tell them to make the gayest song possible. And yes, I mean that literally - EVERY song they make is about gay sex and dicks.
I'm against AI "art" but damn, these songs are better than 95% of polish musical industry.
Shock shock shock shock my dog is 🔥
AI music and AI art are a stain on creativity
Because people are stupid and use Ai shit to create AI slop.
AI period
people here don't know of my goat neuro-sama and it shows
Hottest take of them all (not a bait, I swear): Now I hate AI music generally and skip it with passion to let Spotify algorithm know I don't like that shit in my playlists, but considering how much general population likes to listen to overproduced shit that doesn't use any actual musical instruments and singing is shrouded in 20 fucking layers of voice filters... I seriously don't think most people should even be making a point about AI music, as more often than not it still sounds more human made than some crap humans put out.
But yeah. At least they don't destroy environment as much, I guess - I mean the shitty "artists" who put out crap that has 20 producers signed in as contribution to their record (despite doing fuck all but pushing some button in software). Then again, these mfs are usually the types to flight private jets everywhere so I'm not even entirely sure about that.
Rant over.
I feel so bad for real artists.
AI music just sounds like the flavour vanilla. It's the most basic shit in existence. Why would anyone even listen to it?
It sucks that the most common fonts have basically nothing to distinguish AI from Al unless we start capitalizing the l to become L. AL yankovic deserves better
And the wildest part? People are straight-up building whole-ass businesses off this shit now lmao. I’ve seen courses like “bro just make an AI that spits out music, slap it on Spotify and cash out from streams.” It’s so f*cking dumb I’m actually out of words 😂
literally anything AI*
Except for the ones that make songs out of comment sections.
Ai sound
Coulda just left it at "AI" tbh
Apple is against ai
Physical media is the way to go
AI “Art” is on the bottom of the other shoe
Big tech is acting like we bullied it/them and like the last few years have been their revenge.
Correction! AI in general.
the only reason I hate this is because some brainless mororns are lumping in Vocaloid with them like ew, Deco*27 actually put effort into their songs instead of just telling some clanker to do it for them
Ai "music" is called noise btw
He never heard of "kutas records"
You know whenever Ai music is mentioned I’m surprised no one ever mentions glorb also known as the AI SpongeBob drill rap guy
They want to monetize and control everything they can. Art is one area they couldn't reach, so they made machines that didn't give the soul real art does.
And they don't realize why people hate it.
it bad when people use ai and call themselves artist
⭐Money⭐
100% true
Wow you guys are fighting hard to protect the poor little Music industry.
Cover bands all over the globe in disarray.
Ai GENERATED music
The primary function of any corporation is to take something the people love and squeeze all the value out of it until we no longer love it.
I've heard good AI music before, if its one day capable of producing good music people enjoy i don't see the problem. It just gives us further reason to experiment and find new sounds not stolen by the tech zeitgeist
FIND THE NEEDLE
BURST THE BUBBLE
I’m gonna get lynched for saying this in this thread, but I don’t really mind that art/music is made by ai, by a guy in a basement who just wanted to listen to some specific rock for free.
The first problem however is when these people, think they are- and expect you to call them artists…
Artist implies that you created the art. Idc how long you spent on writing prompts, it will never even be a fraction of the work that goes into making art yourself.
The second problem is when it’s used to replace humans. I don’t mind if it assists humans, as long as it doesn’t cut them out from the equation.
The third is when people use the ais work to make money without disclosing its usage. Especially so when straight up copying others work.
I mean, the whole art industry has been copying other people's / nature's work for generations. Very seldom do people "create" things, they iterate on existing ones.
Some make splatters on canvas and get heralded as a genius only after they pass away.
I probably differ from you in a few areas, but pretty much this. AI isn’t inherently evil. It’s a developing technology with tons of potential and far too much hype for where it’s at currently. It’s fine if people want to use it and most of the time arguments against it say more about the complainer than the AI. It’s not good enough yet to be a threat in truly creative spaces.
It is a problem when people conflate AI and non-AI art, and is a problem when people aren’t open about using AI. But if everything is transparent and the rules of whatever platform it’s on are followed, there is no issue.
yeah it feels like big tech saw fun and said “what if we monetize the soul out of it.”
Unlike pure real music which totally wasn't monetized before AI? I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is, music has always been monetized
Anything thats completely ai art tends to be shit. And plsome people cant understand because they too are stupid.
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Oh definitely. That's why Taylor Swift and Cardi B are very, VERY talented people with songs aimed at cultured people.
it's still made by humans, so it's actual art at least
Fuck clankers and all stupid CEOs who shove this down the throat of their VPs and downstream. You don’t need Clippy in your WhatsApp or Instagram.
On the side note, fact checking morons with grok is sometimes ok, but it works like 50% of the time. I like to see them lose their shit when they’re actually wrong and rightist, centrist and leftist media proves the fact.
I am in full agreement, though I did get caught out by an AI soul cover of an Eminem song which was extremely well done and I did kind of enjoy.
But for the most part, it's utter shite.
I suppose its the difference between "make a rock song" against using it to generate a cover, that is adjusted and balanced to create a song.
Im a fan of the "Bye bye bye" rick song done by AI.
Just like majority of songs are.
Art is not art if it wasn't made by a human being. Putting a prompt into a computer is not art.
Look man if you can pull off making music in a vector based graphic format I'm not gonna say that I'm not impressed
You'd have to be mentally ill to listen to AI music unironically.
Honestly almost anything AI related.