It's not cheaper. e10 is less energy dense than straight petrol (e0). So for the same driving, you'll need more pedal, and you'll need to fill up more often.
e0 has 34.2MJ/L. Ethanol has 21.5MJ/L. So e10 has 32.9MJ/L, about 3.7% less energy than e0.
So if e0 is $1.80, e10 would have to sell at $1.73 or less to be more economical. Since e10 usually sells for around 4¢ less, buying it costs more than filling up with e0.
Ethanol is added to petrol to improve combustion. It's an "oxygenate", blending oxygenates into petrol decreases carbon monoxide (by helping it combust fully into carbon dioxide).
E10 is literally only worth avoiding if you have an old-ass car where ethanol will fuck up the seals. If your car is built after 2010 you're spending extra on E5 for no reason.
I accidentally put e10 in my car about an hour ago. I was distracted cos i was submitting prices into petrol spy.!
Cheap too- ghetto fuel in reservoir on Spring st - $1.53!
E10 is a 10% ethanol 90% petroleum mix with a RON rating of 94ish.
The reason people think its bad for the car is because older vehicles have seals that the ethanol can degrade faster leading to leaks and poor combustion.
Thing is for the most part, cars haven't had those types of seals installed since the late 90s, was a few manufacturers that still used them up untill 2010 but they're far and few between.
87, 91, 94, 95 and 98 are what's call the RON rating, I won't go into extreme detail but it refers to the fuels ability to resist detonation under compression.
Long story short, unless you're vehicles owners manual specifically says use xyz fuel or is younger than 2010, use e10.
If its a forced induction use 95 or 98.
If its older than 2010, use 91.
You can go down a rabbit hole on fuels but unless you're a rev head/mechanic its not worth your time.
I've got a 2015 Territory and have found I get ~ 5% better economy with 91 compared to e10, but 95 and 98 don't seem to make any significant improvement so that's my basis for using 91 fuel.
Sure, what you say is true, however the 10% in a blend is negligible on an engine specifically designed to run on e10, which is what I'm talking about here.
Maintenance absolutely has a significant impact on economy which is then increased further when using less energy dense fuels.
If we're talking e85 then we're going to see significant differences.
I feel like you're interpreting my previous comments to be general which is not my intention I was specifically referring to the ford N/A 4.0 barra engines in falcons and territory's which where marketed at taxi companies.
Depends on your car. But science is science, and you most definitely do not get better performance unless your car is specifically designed to burn the higher octane.
I travel regularly for work from Melb to Adelaide and for years I thought the same as you. Then someone told me what I told you, I switched and got the exact same mileage over that 750km trip.
The number after the e is the percentage of ethanol, for example e10 is 10% ethanol. You may be confusing this with octane number (the 91/95/98 number), which is a very different thing.
Service Victoria don't do filters by brand, it's important because of discounts (Linkt, AFL, RACV etc.)
Petrolspy is too useful and hopefully they'll implement official data now, instead of random crowdsourced entries (which can be purposely inaccurate).
Failing that, just go to the Atlas servo near the IKEA in Springvale, or the Shell next to it. They're locked in a price battle for months now, at $1.59/l
The problem is clutter, especially if you travel a bit further for work & play. I'll go anywhere from Eltham to Springvale for cheap petrol, because I often have other matters to attend to there as well. If there isn't any cheap petrol I'll bring out the 7/11 choppah.
The Services Vic app is good for double checking before you go, but with the 4c AFL/Shell Racing + 4c Coles discount, again the Shell next to the Atlas in Springvale is often the cheapest. That gets me $1.529/L
Tip: I start planning to fill once the needle is about half way. It's never good to let the tank run close to empty, because the fuel filter can get clogged with sediment.
Yeah I was going to say haha, they're going to start getting penalised if they aren't submitting prices accurately or changing more frequently than 24hrs
That's interesting, being as I just took a screenshot of my local area's pricing and only one was updated within the last 24 hours. Maybe spend five seconds checking your facts before posting your "hefty argument".
I proved that the app isn't accurate, which disproved your argument. It's a statewide app. Maybe take the blinders off and look outside your area. Or you could just pretend that the government is always open and honest. Whatever works for you.
I didn't demand anything. I said "maybe" and proceeded with hyperbole. Shill the app all you like. It's proven to be as unreliable and out of date as Petrol Spy.
Service Vic would be great if the pricing was updated. Looking at my local area, some prices haven't been updated since 23/12. At least Petrol Spy has the excuse of crowdsourced data.
Most of the time, if I want lower than average fuel, I got to the same servo I've been visiting for the last 15 years, because it's fairly consistently lower by a few cents than all others in the area.
And Petrol Spy tells me the prices are still around $1.60 - $1.70. Just back from a trip to NZ, and tho PS showed process there they were all mostly out of date. Much better here.
I had Petrol Spy send me a notification the other day, telling me to think about filling up asap because prices are set to jump by 45 cents in the coming days.
I find it crazy I saw yesterday one for like 1.60 something .. and the one right ahead for 2.15…. I don’t get how people were there versus the one right before for much cheaper (and both on a one way road like can’t turn till up ahead for u-turn so couldn’t miss it !)
It's a very colluded market in most places, there's no reason why there's a 50c+ spread in servos across the city. Or that everyone goes up to $2+, and then suddenly drops down.
sorry I wanted to know how do you use this past data? I mean sure, it's trending down for the past 5 days, but it doesn't mean it can't suddenly jump up randomly?
Or are you saying that once this shows an uptrend, it's time to fuel up, since the it will take a few days for all the pumps to increase it?
MOST companies have about a "two day delay" on changes to TGP affecting what they actually sell it for, and it tends to work on a rolling average
ie...
Melbourne Petrol goes from 159.2 to 158.5 to 157.4 to 156.8 to 156.7 (general down), and is likely to continue,
Pricing on a TGP level is "2 day delay, but then also a 5-day rolling average" - so provided the TGP is still under 159, it's coming down on Monday
Retail has their own margins (price cycle, competition, small scale investments, cost of transport of fuel to location), so this is more on a wholesale level (typical minimum purchase of 35000L, and at a general port location - Melbourne's is in Newport / Hastings)
This has been happening for the last few weeks. Random servos have tried to push prices up to $2.10+ per litre. But most are still in the $1.60-$1.80 range.
Just use the Servo Saver feature in the Services Vic app for any easy search of nearby prices. CityLink customers can access a 7 Eleven 6c discount, the AFL has a 4c Reddy/Coles Express 4c voucher (which can be used in addition to a Coles/Flybuys voucher) and RACV have a deal with EG outlets, with the discount differing with whether you are an RACV customer and whether you also use an Everyday Rewards voucher in the same transaction.
It's very lucky you put a circle around the petrol price, otherwise I wouldn't know what to look at with the title of your post being petrol prices going up
Because AUD has gotten stronger against the currency that oil is traded in ( USD) and the price of Brent crude oil has dropped significantly over the last few months edging toward 2020 prices so anything above 1.60 is just a cash grab and really it should be lower.
Everyone tells me to learn to drive, and then I see the costs of owning and running a car and I’m still glad to this day that I don’t own one. Even if I did learn at this late stage, I still wouldn’t want to own a car because the multiple ongoing costs just go up and up. Be easier to just have one of those car share memberships
Having a car do open up a whole new world of opportunities, if you're looking for a new job/career or a new place to stay. Having a car gives you that flexibility to just immediately take any good job on offer, or any good accommodation on offer, and not have to worry about how to get to/from there.
Let's say you live in Coburg and there's an absolutely fantastic job offer available, but it's in Mulgrave. With a car you can 'survive' the commute until you find a new place to stay closer to work, whereas if you don't have a car you'll either have to rent a car for weeks/months, or spend 2-3 hours each day on public transport - and be completely worn out every day.
Being more mobile is always good, even if you don't end up using it.
It’s moot for me at this point, I can’t afford lessons and there’s no one available to teach me sadly. My dad did start to teach me years ago but eventually said he will never let me drive his car, then took it interstate and died lol. From the time I have been behind the wheel I don’t think I’d be a very good driver, I’m too anxious.
Everyone has to start somewhere, people inevitably find better jobs, get educated, or pick up a trade. Once you get your financials to a better position, start considering taking driving lessons - your dad was never, and will never be as good a teacher as a professional driving instructor, with a dual control vehicle. FYI I will never teach my kids driving, they're professionals for a reason.
Melbourne's a place where if you live and work in the inner suburbs it's easy to get by without a car, but if you live in the outer suburbs, or worse out west or way out over in Pakenham, then you're absolutely dependent on a car to have any quality of life.
And you can also do some gig work in your car, like Uber Eats, Amazon Flex or even as an Uber driver.
I drive every workday, but I only drive to the train station. But boy am I glad to have a car in case the dreaded rail replacement bus is taking over. I know a guy at work and those buses drove him mad, because the Hurstbridge line was down for much of this year. He ended up moving to another place.
You’re clearly not driving very much. I’m on a carer card myki which puts me at about $17.50 a week and that’s it. How my colleagues in retail can afford to drive to and from work with petrol being so high is beyond me
My car is very old and uses a lot of petrol for a 1.6L 4 cylinder (approx. 13L/100km).
Newer cars like Yaris/Jazz/Mazda2 1.5L use about 8L/100km (city).
So petrol would be about 3.2L per day for a 20km trip and home ($5).
But's that's on top of Reg/RACV/insurance/services.
I've driven for 10+ years and I only needed roadside assistance maybe 3 times. If you have a reliable car, keep on top of maintenance and you don't do road trips, and you also know the local towing company's number, then you shouldn't need roadside assistance.
I drive on local roads to/from the train station. My chances of needing roadside assistance is minimal.
Not free, but I got a great deal, rebate did really well, bills now always in positive, car charges on my battery overnight 2 times a week, no stress at all 🤷♂️
Yeah I brought a Second hand Tesla about. Week ago and it’s been so good. I get smug sense of satisfaction driving past a petril station and seeing $2.20 a litre knowing I paid 8c a kw/h to fuel up (around $8 a tank)
Yeah I get that smug sentiment when the war in Ukraine started, and everyone started queuing up at the servos. Unfortunately I've since moved countries and now I'm stuck with paying for petrol.
I've found my regular servo, Shell on Princes Highway near Westall road, still 1.59 when I went past a couple of hours ago, but get ready for a costco-esque queue depending on when you go there. Early in the morning or late are the best times I've found.
I don't know if they are going up that much. Ampol in Melbourne East is always stupidly expensive.
Saw one today around the same price point and freaked out as I had been meaning to get some for the past two days. Shortly after I went past a shell and it was still around the $1.60 mark and most others were also around $1.60.
Servo on the corner of Dorset and Canterbury roads was 215.9 over the Xmas period. Every other servo in the area was about 159.9. They mustn’t have wanted any customers, drove past several times it was always empty.
Wait, where in Melbournes East? Bc im in Templestowe so I need to get it and refill before they all bump prices up. I have a hybrid thank fuck but still needs petrol every 2 weeks or so
Lower prices were likely due to removal of old supply of fuel that doesn't meet the new requirements for sulfur.
Now prices will be higher depending on where the fuel comes from.
Ampol refineries have mentioned they're losing money with the new standards as they need to export refined fuels and import treated fuel to meet the new sulfur requirements, this is until they finally finish building their new filtration plant.
Viva Energy on the other hand have what they need and are operating as required, they supply Shell.
I've had an EV for a few years now and it's crazy to see posts like this. Once you can avoid paying petrol and charge your car for free, you realise how the system has been screwing you.
I swear 91 disappeared from most servos for a decade and now it's everywhere and the baseline price advertised. I truly thought 91 was a thing of the past.
Shit, I paid 1.57 for e10 today in Melbourne's east. Lowest I've had for a while.
I locked in 159.9 on the 7/11 app today for when I need to fill up in a few days. Glad I thought of doing it when I was popping out earlier today.
That's not actually "locked in", as the largest discount you can receive is 25c/L.
Same here. Lock it in Eddy.
Just locked it in after reading your comment. Though it is only up to a maximum of 25c/litre. So could end up paying $1.90ish…
Why do you buy e10? (Why does anyone buy e10?)
(Edit: For those saying it's cheaper, please see my posts below)
it's cheaper, and i put it in my old kia, because the slightly higher octane stops it pinging it's head off in hot weather
It's cheaper is why people buy it.
It's not cheaper. e10 is less energy dense than straight petrol (e0). So for the same driving, you'll need more pedal, and you'll need to fill up more often.
e0 has 34.2MJ/L. Ethanol has 21.5MJ/L. So e10 has 32.9MJ/L, about 3.7% less energy than e0.
So if e0 is $1.80, e10 would have to sell at $1.73 or less to be more economical. Since e10 usually sells for around 4¢ less, buying it costs more than filling up with e0.
Another way of saying it:. If I offered you dishwashing detergent at 5% off, but it was diluted with 10% water, would you buy it?
But ethanol isn't water. It's combustible.
Not as combustible as petrol.
Ethanol is added to petrol to improve combustion. It's an "oxygenate", blending oxygenates into petrol decreases carbon monoxide (by helping it combust fully into carbon dioxide).
E10 is literally only worth avoiding if you have an old-ass car where ethanol will fuck up the seals. If your car is built after 2010 you're spending extra on E5 for no reason.
Cus I need the Ron 94
I accidentally put e10 in my car about an hour ago. I was distracted cos i was submitting prices into petrol spy.! Cheap too- ghetto fuel in reservoir on Spring st - $1.53!
Why are you using petrol spy? Victoria service app lists realtime prices
Why wouldn't you if you're driving a car made after 2010?
Do you even know what the difference is between e10, 91, 95 and 98 is and why it exists.
I do, part of my job to know, but I'm frequently shocked at how little the average punter knows about what they're putting in the tank.
Could you please ELI5 for me? I’ve never known anything other than “it’s bad for the car”
E10 is a 10% ethanol 90% petroleum mix with a RON rating of 94ish.
The reason people think its bad for the car is because older vehicles have seals that the ethanol can degrade faster leading to leaks and poor combustion.
Thing is for the most part, cars haven't had those types of seals installed since the late 90s, was a few manufacturers that still used them up untill 2010 but they're far and few between.
87, 91, 94, 95 and 98 are what's call the RON rating, I won't go into extreme detail but it refers to the fuels ability to resist detonation under compression.
Long story short, unless you're vehicles owners manual specifically says use xyz fuel or is younger than 2010, use e10.
If its a forced induction use 95 or 98.
If its older than 2010, use 91.
You can go down a rabbit hole on fuels but unless you're a rev head/mechanic its not worth your time.
I've got a 2015 Territory and have found I get ~ 5% better economy with 91 compared to e10, but 95 and 98 don't seem to make any significant improvement so that's my basis for using 91 fuel.
We have a 2009 territory and there's no appreciable difference for us.
Anything with a Barra engine is specifically designed with using e10 in mind.
But yes, an ethanol blend CAN have a small decrease in economy if your car is not maintained perfectly.
Ethanols decrease in economy is due to the fact that it is less energy dense than petrol, nothing to do with vehicle maintenance.
Sure, what you say is true, however the 10% in a blend is negligible on an engine specifically designed to run on e10, which is what I'm talking about here.
Maintenance absolutely has a significant impact on economy which is then increased further when using less energy dense fuels.
If we're talking e85 then we're going to see significant differences.
I feel like you're interpreting my previous comments to be general which is not my intention I was specifically referring to the ford N/A 4.0 barra engines in falcons and territory's which where marketed at taxi companies.
Read my comment ^
Why wouldn't you? I feel like there's a lot of misinformation about E10 going around.
It's not cheaper unless the discount is at least 7¢, which it isn't. See my post above. If you think otherwise, please explain your reasoning.
Lower emissions, less reliance on fossil fuels and higher octane.
Less fuel efficiency so end up filling up more often
It's 3% less energy density for higher octane🤷♂️
If you're car isn't specifically made for it, it can't get any benefit from the higher octane
Most modern cars can advance ignition timing when using higher octane than more power
Well I disagree because my car absolutely gets better performance and fuel economy on 98
Depends on your car. But science is science, and you most definitely do not get better performance unless your car is specifically designed to burn the higher octane.
I travel regularly for work from Melb to Adelaide and for years I thought the same as you. Then someone told me what I told you, I switched and got the exact same mileage over that 750km trip.
Fair points.
It's not higher octane, it's 91-94, Ethenol burns around 15-20% faster.
Because my car is e10 compatible. I haven't done any serious calculations/comparisons on fuel efficiency though.
It's also basically E94 making it equivalent to E95 premium. My mazda is more responsive and makes a tad bit more power
There's no such thing as e94 or e95.
The number after the e is the percentage of ethanol, for example e10 is 10% ethanol. You may be confusing this with octane number (the 91/95/98 number), which is a very different thing.
E94 and E95 would insinuate that it's 94% or 95% ethanol. You mean RON.
Was that the self serve one in Ringwood ??
Shell on Boronia/Scoresby rd intersection
I know I'm getting old because Petrol Spy is my favourite app..
Use service victoria, real data instead of crowdsourced data
Service Victoria don't do filters by brand, it's important because of discounts (Linkt, AFL, RACV etc.)
Petrolspy is too useful and hopefully they'll implement official data now, instead of random crowdsourced entries (which can be purposely inaccurate).
Failing that, just go to the Atlas servo near the IKEA in Springvale, or the Shell next to it. They're locked in a price battle for months now, at $1.59/l
The Services Vic app has clear logos that identify the major outlet brands.
The problem is clutter, especially if you travel a bit further for work & play. I'll go anywhere from Eltham to Springvale for cheap petrol, because I often have other matters to attend to there as well. If there isn't any cheap petrol I'll bring out the 7/11 choppah.
The Services Vic app is good for double checking before you go, but with the 4c AFL/Shell Racing + 4c Coles discount, again the Shell next to the Atlas in Springvale is often the cheapest. That gets me $1.529/L
Tip: I start planning to fill once the needle is about half way. It's never good to let the tank run close to empty, because the fuel filter can get clogged with sediment.
I didn't know this was a thing, even though I already had the app. Thanks!
Issue with that is, the data is usually quite old, maybe a day or few hours behind - PS is much more up to date
Isn't it mandated that they have to report prices and it's locked in to what they submit? Or has that legislation not come into force yet?
That guy is wrong, the app is accurate lol; much more accurate than things like petrolspy that relies on randoms and good samaritans for data.
Yeah I was going to say haha, they're going to start getting penalised if they aren't submitting prices accurately or changing more frequently than 24hrs
That's interesting, being as I just took a screenshot of my local area's pricing and only one was updated within the last 24 hours. Maybe spend five seconds checking your facts before posting your "hefty argument".
I checked 20 stations near me which were all updated in the last 10 hours.
I proved that the app isn't accurate, which disproved your argument. It's a statewide app. Maybe take the blinders off and look outside your area. Or you could just pretend that the government is always open and honest. Whatever works for you.
You demanded I spend 5 seconds checking, I did.
You referenced your local area, I referenced mine; maybe tell me where to check and I’ll spend that 5 seconds more effectively.
I didn't demand anything. I said "maybe" and proceeded with hyperbole. Shill the app all you like. It's proven to be as unreliable and out of date as Petrol Spy.
Petrol spy also gives alerts to let you know the probable direction of prices, which I find quite useful
Service Vic would be great if the pricing was updated. Looking at my local area, some prices haven't been updated since 23/12. At least Petrol Spy has the excuse of crowdsourced data.
Most of the time, if I want lower than average fuel, I got to the same servo I've been visiting for the last 15 years, because it's fairly consistently lower by a few cents than all others in the area.
Yep, currently travelling in QLD from VIC and for diesel it can be 25c/L difference in the same town. That’s big money with an 80L tank.
Except for the idiot mitchieman who spams e85 prices everywhere even where it is not sold just to cultivate points.
And Petrol Spy tells me the prices are still around $1.60 - $1.70. Just back from a trip to NZ, and tho PS showed process there they were all mostly out of date. Much better here.
I had Petrol Spy send me a notification the other day, telling me to think about filling up asap because prices are set to jump by 45 cents in the coming days.
Not old, just wise and frugal. And we gotta be these days
Same lol
I find it crazy I saw yesterday one for like 1.60 something .. and the one right ahead for 2.15…. I don’t get how people were there versus the one right before for much cheaper (and both on a one way road like can’t turn till up ahead for u-turn so couldn’t miss it !)
Fuel card so the business is paying for it
Ooh never thought of that !
I do always kind of giggle at those situations.
They're basically signalling to the one next door that it's time to price gouge. Also assume they take it on turns to have the one busy day a month.
It's a very colluded market in most places, there's no reason why there's a 50c+ spread in servos across the city. Or that everyone goes up to $2+, and then suddenly drops down.
Just a tip to look at the terminal gate price to get an idea what wholesale prices are actually doing.
The current trend is down with with fuel 2.5c/L cheaper over the past 5 days (at 156.7). So any rises are bullshit.
https://www.aip.com.au/pricing/terminal-gate-prices
sorry I wanted to know how do you use this past data? I mean sure, it's trending down for the past 5 days, but it doesn't mean it can't suddenly jump up randomly?
Or are you saying that once this shows an uptrend, it's time to fuel up, since the it will take a few days for all the pumps to increase it?
MOST companies have about a "two day delay" on changes to TGP affecting what they actually sell it for, and it tends to work on a rolling average
ie... Melbourne Petrol goes from 159.2 to 158.5 to 157.4 to 156.8 to 156.7 (general down), and is likely to continue,
Pricing on a TGP level is "2 day delay, but then also a 5-day rolling average" - so provided the TGP is still under 159, it's coming down on Monday
Retail has their own margins (price cycle, competition, small scale investments, cost of transport of fuel to location), so this is more on a wholesale level (typical minimum purchase of 35000L, and at a general port location - Melbourne's is in Newport / Hastings)
Paid 1.59 today
Yeah I got 1.71 for 98 today
That's about what I paid on Wednesday.
Paid 1.80 on Tuesday for 98, will try get some cheap before the rip off tomorrow.
I get Mobil Supreme 98 in Bendigo for 1.73. I topped up at Melbourne Airport today at 1.89.
I have 7/11 fuel lock down at 1.79 today better remember to use it before they hike their prices.
Paid 1.53 in Bunbury. How are we over 60c a litre cheaper in country WA???
r/uselessredcircle
But where will I look if there isn't a red circle to guide me?
yeah that pie face business had it at 159, yet the shell over the road had 2.15 on Xmas Eve in Altona
They are Fucking dogs and the government does nothing No matter what government that is in left or right They all get their kick backs
Thank god for that red circle otherwise I wouldn’t have seen it
did they ever go down??
Yep, just in time for everyone going out to boxing day sales and new year holidays
This has been happening for the last few weeks. Random servos have tried to push prices up to $2.10+ per litre. But most are still in the $1.60-$1.80 range.
Just use the Servo Saver feature in the Services Vic app for any easy search of nearby prices. CityLink customers can access a 7 Eleven 6c discount, the AFL has a 4c Reddy/Coles Express 4c voucher (which can be used in addition to a Coles/Flybuys voucher) and RACV have a deal with EG outlets, with the discount differing with whether you are an RACV customer and whether you also use an Everyday Rewards voucher in the same transaction.
Citylink deal is no more. :(
The bad news is that you are correct. The good news is that they now have a 6c/l 7 Eleven discount offer.
Never understand this, Brent crude prices down to near 2020 levels, AUD up against USD, but it's Christmas so we'll fuck you anyway.
Did fuel lock today but probably try find somewhere cheap before they price gouge tomorrow.
Terminal gate price was around 150-160. Last couple weeks. It's just a cycle
Which typical ends around public holidays
It's very lucky you put a circle around the petrol price, otherwise I wouldn't know what to look at with the title of your post being petrol prices going up
r/uselessredcircle
Good thing I filled up on my way home from work on Wednesday!
Why wouldn’t it? It’s Christmas and some of the busiest travelling days of the year.
At least you’re not paying over double the price that I did back in the U.K. £1.45/$3 per L.
Because AUD has gotten stronger against the currency that oil is traded in ( USD) and the price of Brent crude oil has dropped significantly over the last few months edging toward 2020 prices so anything above 1.60 is just a cash grab and really it should be lower.
Everyone tells me to learn to drive, and then I see the costs of owning and running a car and I’m still glad to this day that I don’t own one. Even if I did learn at this late stage, I still wouldn’t want to own a car because the multiple ongoing costs just go up and up. Be easier to just have one of those car share memberships
Having a car do open up a whole new world of opportunities, if you're looking for a new job/career or a new place to stay. Having a car gives you that flexibility to just immediately take any good job on offer, or any good accommodation on offer, and not have to worry about how to get to/from there.
Let's say you live in Coburg and there's an absolutely fantastic job offer available, but it's in Mulgrave. With a car you can 'survive' the commute until you find a new place to stay closer to work, whereas if you don't have a car you'll either have to rent a car for weeks/months, or spend 2-3 hours each day on public transport - and be completely worn out every day.
Being more mobile is always good, even if you don't end up using it.
It’s moot for me at this point, I can’t afford lessons and there’s no one available to teach me sadly. My dad did start to teach me years ago but eventually said he will never let me drive his car, then took it interstate and died lol. From the time I have been behind the wheel I don’t think I’d be a very good driver, I’m too anxious.
Everyone has to start somewhere, people inevitably find better jobs, get educated, or pick up a trade. Once you get your financials to a better position, start considering taking driving lessons - your dad was never, and will never be as good a teacher as a professional driving instructor, with a dual control vehicle. FYI I will never teach my kids driving, they're professionals for a reason.
Melbourne's a place where if you live and work in the inner suburbs it's easy to get by without a car, but if you live in the outer suburbs, or worse out west or way out over in Pakenham, then you're absolutely dependent on a car to have any quality of life.
And you can also do some gig work in your car, like Uber Eats, Amazon Flex or even as an Uber driver.
I drive every workday, but I only drive to the train station. But boy am I glad to have a car in case the dreaded rail replacement bus is taking over. I know a guy at work and those buses drove him mad, because the Hurstbridge line was down for much of this year. He ended up moving to another place.
I'm a cheapskate poor person and my expenses are:
$116 per quarter concession Reg.
$120 RACV.
That's $11 per week, or $584 p.a.
Petrol is usually $1.60 minus 6 cents discounts every 8-9 weeks. About 25 L.
That's about $222 p.a. or $4 per week.
I only drive to the shops once a week.
You’re clearly not driving very much. I’m on a carer card myki which puts me at about $17.50 a week and that’s it. How my colleagues in retail can afford to drive to and from work with petrol being so high is beyond me
Yes, I'm a very low kms driver.
My car is very old and uses a lot of petrol for a 1.6L 4 cylinder (approx. 13L/100km).
Newer cars like Yaris/Jazz/Mazda2 1.5L use about 8L/100km (city).
So petrol would be about 3.2L per day for a 20km trip and home ($5).
But's that's on top of Reg/RACV/insurance/services.
Are you on RACV just for the roadside assist? Because I got it for only $10 for the entire year.
And 13L/100km is excessive, my non-hybrid Camry does 10.5L/100km in the city, but I rarely get stuck in traffic.
How does an existing RACV customer get ongoing access to a one-off promotion restricted to new customers?
Let it expire first?
I've driven for 10+ years and I only needed roadside assistance maybe 3 times. If you have a reliable car, keep on top of maintenance and you don't do road trips, and you also know the local towing company's number, then you shouldn't need roadside assistance.
I drive on local roads to/from the train station. My chances of needing roadside assistance is minimal.
If it’s like any other insurance call them up and say you’ll leave if they don’t honour the new customer offer and 9 times out of 10 they will
$10 is new customers only. Good deal.
13L/100km:
Carb version of engine and its 35 years old.
You're missing maintenance and insurance, if you don't have insurance you have to factor the cost of hitting a Mercedes into your budget.
Edit: also how is your racv so cheap? Mine costs me 320 a year?
You have Total Care (most expensive option).
Roadside Care is $138.
Laughs in : charge at home with my batteries filled up with solar power.
Cause the battery was free?
You don’t need a battery if you charge during the day (except in the car of course ;)
Not free, but I got a great deal, rebate did really well, bills now always in positive, car charges on my battery overnight 2 times a week, no stress at all 🤷♂️
King dick over here.
Yeah I brought a Second hand Tesla about. Week ago and it’s been so good. I get smug sense of satisfaction driving past a petril station and seeing $2.20 a litre knowing I paid 8c a kw/h to fuel up (around $8 a tank)
Yeah I get that smug sentiment when the war in Ukraine started, and everyone started queuing up at the servos. Unfortunately I've since moved countries and now I'm stuck with paying for petrol.
🙂
Noooo pls God noooo
Thanks for the heads up ✌🏾
Oh wow, I swear it was around $1.60 somewhere in Wollert last night.
163.9 at mine still.
just gotta shop around, suss petrolspy map. i saw 162 at midday
Just paid $1.82 today for 98 at BP. Glad I filled up
Ridiculous
Crazy how much prices can vary from one servo to the other, I’ve seen these $2.15 around but also as low as $1.53 all very close to each other
Paid $1.60 at solo in point cook
Holy crap. The price has really gone up. Lucky, I filled my car's fuel tank yesterday before going up. :)
157 everywhere. Op just saw one station
I'm in SA for the week, fuel is a lot cheaper than Melbourne
I've found my regular servo, Shell on Princes Highway near Westall road, still 1.59 when I went past a couple of hours ago, but get ready for a costco-esque queue depending on when you go there. Early in the morning or late are the best times I've found.
Saw 1.57 yesterday.
Yesterday BP around Coburg had 1.59
Not Westside. Goto Yarraville footscray Maidstone Braybrook. 98 is going for 1.80- 1.90 ish
I'm surprised it's taken them this long; I expected petrol to spike on Boxing Day as everyone headed out of town until after New Year's.
fuel locked at 181, hopefully its gonna last me long enough
The low trough cycle is about 5 weeks at the moment.
It has been as long as 7 weeks previously.
It usually lasts about 10 days.
I don't know if they are going up that much. Ampol in Melbourne East is always stupidly expensive.
Saw one today around the same price point and freaked out as I had been meaning to get some for the past two days. Shortly after I went past a shell and it was still around the $1.60 mark and most others were also around $1.60.
Got mine for 1.55 in Ferntree Gully on Christmas
98 is $1.90 where I am.
Averaging 1.55 where i live
I went past $1.59.9 out near spotswood this evening. What is this nonsense?
Why is the fuel cycle in melbourne not 1 week
I got diesel today for 167.9
Across the road, it was close to 2.09
gas prices are insane!
Not at costco, seems always very steady.
Prices will rise and you will pay
High petrol prices is a Xmas tradition.
Servo on the corner of Dorset and Canterbury roads was 215.9 over the Xmas period. Every other servo in the area was about 159.9. They mustn’t have wanted any customers, drove past several times it was always empty.
I got $1.59 at 6am in Chadstone
Bastards. 60c a litre jump overnight
Merry Christmas
Nothing new during the holiday season.
Based on the price of LPG they arent trying to be cheap, they're trying to catch you at the top of the wave pricing.
91 is $1.60 at over 100 locations, including places with a further 4/6/8c off with promotions/whatnots
Wait, where in Melbournes East? Bc im in Templestowe so I need to get it and refill before they all bump prices up. I have a hybrid thank fuck but still needs petrol every 2 weeks or so
These feels like a yahoo article with the red circle
start boycotting petrol stations
see the prices drop.
It's an actual photo taken by myself. Not a Yahoo article.
Stuff that. I've been paying 1.82ish for 98
Lower prices were likely due to removal of old supply of fuel that doesn't meet the new requirements for sulfur.
Now prices will be higher depending on where the fuel comes from.
Ampol refineries have mentioned they're losing money with the new standards as they need to export refined fuels and import treated fuel to meet the new sulfur requirements, this is until they finally finish building their new filtration plant.
Viva Energy on the other hand have what they need and are operating as required, they supply Shell.
Fuck your petrol monopoly IM TRANSITION TO EV.
Only goes up if you pay for it
I've had an EV for a few years now and it's crazy to see posts like this. Once you can avoid paying petrol and charge your car for free, you realise how the system has been screwing you.
I have an EV and a PHEV. Had to fill up the PHEV after 4000kms the other day, and I don't understand anymore how people see doing that as a plus
Which PHEV?
I have a Polestar 2 LRDM and a BYD Sealion 6 Dynamic Extended
Another reminder that it's time to go electric if you can. If you've got solar it means free fuel all summer.
For those upgrading. Look at EVs and solar. Long term bets but let's get off this Saudi tit.
I swear 91 disappeared from most servos for a decade and now it's everywhere and the baseline price advertised. I truly thought 91 was a thing of the past.