LINK TO STORY: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/13/trump-us-veterans-affairs-plans-job-cuts-washington-post.html
Using the CNBC link since it's not paywall.
The cuts involve mostly unfilled jobs, including doctors, nurses, and support staff, the report said.
The agency hopes that the cuts will reduce the health care workforce to as few as 372,000 employees, a 10% reduction from last year, the report added, citing a memo shared with regional leaders last month.
Relatedly, I've noticed that at least in my specialty, the VA has stopped offering remote/telework positions entirely. It's like they don't want physicians to sign up.
Make a thing shitty and then claim it needs to be privatized to make it better (it'll stay shitty) is a republican tradition as old as time.
I honestly don't see how the math is gunna work on a privatized VA. What's probably is gunna happen is they just elimante the benefit to veterans which sucks even more.
I would imagine they make it like Medicare Advantage - gov’t pays benefit, administered by for-profit insurance so they can get their cut, promise some benefits they may have gotten with the VA above typical private insurance (akin to what Medicare Advantage plans promise above regular Medicare AB), but then have strings attached and prior authorizations and denials abound, and the insurers will make sure they take care of their
patientsbottom lineI doubt there would be a going back to a fully national VA separate health care system if they succeeded in doing this
Yeah. There's likely a secondary goal to "prove" that government healthcare is bad/incompetent/wasteful, building a case against a public system or health care reform.
Same for when they privatize social security and medicare.
they already have that framework in place with the Choice program. they just need to move everyone over to Choice instead of direct care at the VA
They won’t eliminate it, but costs will go up and quality of care will go down
Costs would definitely have to go way up. I dont see how they'd convince physicians to work there considering how low the pay is to begin with.
The whole incentive is low stress job with amazing benefits.
That’s not necessarily true for most of the bigger VA’s nowadays. There are huge turnovers especially with their primary care and mental health in market such as Florida and Washington.
Im assuming in regards to the benefits and lower stress? Not suprising.
I’m sorry, I think I misread your comment. The benefits are only there if you are there long term and the stress is way higher compared to in the past.
My worst managers have all been with the VA. Yeah there is job protection, which also protects toxic people. Just like they are protecting pedophiles right now. I gave up the job security just to get away from it.
What do you mean? They are going to leave the veterans out to dry and just not pay for their care enough, so most doctors won't take them as patients, and they are going to die. That's how.
It will stay shitty, sure, but it will also cost more.
So weird how lots of republicans are pro-military but implicitly anti-veteran
Being illogical is a feature of republicanism
Pro life, anti free school lunch.
“Starve the beast.”
It’s a Canadian tradition as well.
Just like dipping the hands in the royal pudding.
AMEN. Long rant unlocked (in this thread.)
As I recall, the Project 2025 goal is to reduce VA health services to primary care only and outsource everything else to the community. my guess is that eventually it will be vouchers and we all know how well those keep up with inflation.
If they get free comprehensive health insurance, would using community hospitals be so bad?
I've heard from insider sources that they already, or should I say continued to, gut psych services. Let me tell you that, around here anyway, there simply isn't enough resources in the community to pick up the slack in any real way.
Ergo, it's going to suck for them even more than ever.
In less than 8 months, 2 different people committed suicide in the parking lot of the San Antonio VA hospital. I fear this is going to continue as these facilities are further short-staffed and they remove remote positions that could reach more patients.
This administration really hates veterans
Veterans overwhelming voted for this, so don’t lose sleep over it.
It was like 60/40, so sucks for that 40%
This an obnoxious attitude. You don't get to write off every demographic or geographic area you think "asked for it." The people who will be impacted are rarely the people responsible for voting much less having any real input. Most poor Americans don't vote, at all, because of voter supression, lack of knowledge, and they (correctly) know that their interests and needs are going to be ignored.
I don’t agree. Trump made it clear that he was going to decimate the VA and they apparently liked that. I am not going to patronize veterans by pretending to know what is best for them. They wanted this and I support them.
No, I think you want an excuse to be smug and mean, and found an excuse to dress it up. The people being hurt by this aren’t the ones who want it. I’m tired of seeing well off professionals laugh at “haha poor idiots red states” or “Muslims in Dearborn” or whoever the “minority acceptable to white middle class liberals to hate” villain of the week is, so you can absolve yourself of responsibility to other people who are suffering.
Anyway, you’re presumably an American. Take responsibility yourself as you people did overwhelmingly vote for him in the last election.
You know that how? Farmers also voted for him, and are being killed by his tarriffs. I don't know if it was solely to hurt brown people or whatever, but it is what they wanted.
In none of his three elections has Donald Trump ever received a majority of the popular vote.
It's our responsibility to pick good leaders. We failed and now we experience the consequences. Maybe we'll do better next time.
Don't count on it. lol.
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I jumped ship after 9 years last July, 2024. Got the last set of residents launched and peaced the fuck out after the writing was already on the wall.
I used to rep hard for the VA. I got my loans paid off and had an amazing and highly awarded clinical, teaching, research, and leadership career. Led an inpatient unit through COVID with zero on-unit transmissions (in a hospital teeming with outbreaks).
They strangled the life out of our service with understaffing and eventually changed my RVU expectations without telling me, impacting the main salary boost (and a modest one at that!) I could earn giving back to our service members.
I do 32 hours a week at a lovely insurance-based clinic now and supplement with my own micro, cash pay only, private practice. The first job pays 20% more than the VA on salary alone. Obviously I worked way more than 32 hrs/week at the VA. Bonus is then revenue based without cap. For my rates on private practice, they are set at concierge care levels to compensate for the hassle. I was never in this for the money, but it's nice, and I'm not stressed about work. My family and I are tighter than ever.
I still miss working with the veterans and my colleagues. When I left they were up to 5 or 6 people patched together to cover the responsibilities I had. Nonetheless, my calculated final full quarter's RVU production somehow dropped from consistently >125% to 76%.
This is why we can't even have shitty things at the VA, forget adequate or nice care. They destroy anything that works for something more costly, lower quality, and less efficient, ensuring the need for further "fixes" that escalate the problem.
All signs point to privatization. The profit incentive (on our bloated military budget) is too fucking irresistible.
Yeah the VHA’s current obsession with RVU generation while providing no support structure or compensation is really so short sighted.
It’s specifically targeted to shift to private practice. It’s quite blatant. For years they tried to say quality isn’t there but after beating all quality metrics, they shifted to productivity. Which, VA was still beating by the criteria set. Now they switched to RVU, knowing most of VA isn’t made to capture RVU. CPRS first and foremost is a EMR and not a billing software like epic and Cerner.
Veterans think they’re going to love private medical care but at least in my experience it’s a huge culture shock going from VA as a patient to the private sector. VA primary care cannot fire a patient. Stalking, threats of violence, not to mention verbal abuse, does not matter.
I have had 2 patients in the past 3 months demand I fill out SSI disability forms for them when they were clearly committing disability fraud. response from admin was “why are these patients complaining about you, please call and work something out.” Private practice docs will just fire this kind of patient. Every VA is different but these are some of the most entitled patients I have ever encountered and the attitude is not going to survive in the real world where you’re just another 15 min visit
And the vets will still mainline their Fox News in the lobbies and gargle Trump's scrotum at the voting booth while wondering why their PCP quit or can't see them again for a year and a half.
Meanwhile during recent severe weather in our area, our home-based primary care team reached out to every single vulnerable veteran in their program, made contact with all of them, and made sure they were safe. That’s not happening in another healthcare system. These are the things that the VA does for veterans that get taken for granted .
Beautiful. Our addiction service did/does the same for all the Suboxone patients for the area's routine severe weather events.
They hate lgbtq and brown people more than they love themselves. It’s their entire identity
Let's not pretend that Fox News isn't playing in most surgery office waiting rooms. At least they vote republican for the right reasons, lower taxes.
And surgeons' lounges too
Just had to sit down with other service leadership and rank all our currently vacant positions (which are all actively in recruitment) so that facility leadership can then go through and prioritize which 100-150 our entire med center is allowed to keep (out of 600-700 current vacancies). The rest get abolished. We are hoping the clinical jobs will be prioritized highest, but who knows.
Oh also, OP, remote/telework is not a thing in the VA anymore (or the federal government in general) thanks to some executive orders from earlier in the year. Everyone was forced to “return to office” back in the spring, even if they were hired into a remote position and had no office to return to.
Bless you in leadership. Dire times. RTO didn't have enough offices when they instituted it and folks couldn't hear patients due to double-occupancy offices meant for one occupant. Staff were holed up in spacious bathrooms doing telehealth "in office." 🫠
Here's my cynical view: Lack of Healthcare Workers = Fewer veterans get access to Healthcare. Over 2-5 years, a good number of vets will simply not get HC. No HCWs, no (or poor) HC. Basically they're saying "Let the veterans die." That works for the Government because fewer vets means less spending. They're saving money by letting people die. No HC, no pension, no food aid... Pure profit.
"Better that they should die and decrease the surplus population."
I don't think a government that is 30 trillion in debt cares about profit. lol.
Nothing quite like the Republicans keeping their word about taking care of the American Heroes they gush about so much. /s
There's a large nursing shortage and this is just going to make things worse at the VA.
The VA has its issues (namely the kind of nurses and staff it often attracts) but overall I think it does a pretty decent job for veterans and has a lot of really great programs.
Can’t wait to watch them make it even worse.
terrible news, departments such as SW were depleted by as much as 25% of their workforce with the DOGE purge, and due to the hiring freeze those positions have stayed unfilled, only now to be eliminated. I fear there will be ongoing waves of departures as workers reach their limit with the lack of staffing.
I'm a vet, the quality of care has dropped notably this year for me. And I live near Madison, WI, where the VA is affiliated with UW Madison and has many specialty services, so this isn't some tiny CBOC outpatient clinic with one NP, 2 MAs, and a receptionist. But at least they don't have the staff wearing a rainbow lanyard any more...
The federal government is pretty bad a runing efficient systems. I should work its way out of runing these hositals and clinics. Many of these hospitals and clinics are affiliated with non-profit universities, finding a way to offload these clinical duties and management responsibilities should bbe considered.
You know most universities are public too, right? lol.
You know public doesn't mean federal right? Many VAs are affiliated with state assisted universities or full on separate non-gov non-profit universities, right. Lol