He's saying that as long as you buy the next tier lease once you hit the threshold, then he won't immediately go after you.
It's not magic. The producer would have to be aware that you're outside of the terms of your lease and then actually pursue going through getting your music taken down.
They would obviously rather you just buy the lease you need. So just do that if the time comes.
okay so he WAS giving me the run aroundđ. wish he would just say that instead of telling me three different variations of âit wonât get taken down, you would just need to upgradeâ
why lead the artist to believe it wonât get taken down when it will? he coulda just said âi will have your track legally removed if you pass the stream limit and donât upgrade the leaseâ
the words âit wonât be taken downâ should have never been typed and sent idk why he kept saying that
prolly the case. i just never woulda been confused in the first place if he didnât keep saying âthe track wonât get taken downâ when it literally will get taken down
âit WILL be taken down, UNLESS you upgradeâ wouda made way more sense than telling me âit WONâT be taken down, just need to upgradeâ
He might not have been doing it on purpose, but he gave you a customer service / salesman answer to keep the conversation collaborative instead of going to a combative response of âyes, I will take it down.â
I work in training for corporate sales and we teach this strategy. He could have done it better. What if he would have said, âhereâs the cost of the second tier, by the time youâve hit the streaming limit, youâll want to upgrade to the next tier, because weâre both going to benefit and keep the songâs momentum going. If you choose to go in a different direction and donât want that song to be part of your portfolio anymore, you can choose not to renew the tier.â
Bottom line, they could have been more direct. Based only your side of the story, theyâre just treating you like a new client/customer. That type of directness youâre looking for usually only comes in professional settings after a longstanding partnership and mutual belief in positive intentions.
i wouldnât have taken it combatively if he just straight up told me he will take it down. thatâs not him being rude, thatâs him just literally telling me how the lease actually works.
âdonât want that song to be a part of your portfolioâ definitely woulda made sense tho 100%
beat makers out here tryna use corporate sales strategies on mfsđ bro knows we all just soundcloud nobodies, he just need to take off the white collar when tryna explain some shit. tf is this state farm?
Heâs approaching you as if youâre an honest person who will pay for the âupgradeâ if you reach that amount. Thereâs plenty of contracts for all sorts of things where someone could pursue the extreme option but heâs giving you the benefit of the doubt that you will just pay or youâd work something out.
Think about what you asking bro, if I donât pay what will you do is kind of a dick move bro. Do you go up to strangers and ask them what theyâll do if you pissed on their shoes? Only people who are going to piss on your shoes ask that.
god forbid a mf want to know EXACTLY how the lease works. iâm not asking him ts bc iâm tryna do him grimy. i just genuinely didnât understand the incentive if he wonât take it down and wanted to know how all that worked just in case i wanted to ever make a beatstars for my music.
genuinely wdym you don't understand the incentive? The incentive is that you're no longer covered under the previous licence and you got to get covered if you want to do legitimate business. He's got multiple options if you're not covered, he's treating you like an honest person. If you don't want to work with people and build when you're small why are you even bothering this dude.
What do you want him to say? You release it pop off get a 100 mil views and he's going to sue you for all the money you got from the song and get a % off anything you do from there on too and hire guys to break your knees to get his money? Just leave it bro you're just being annoying to this dude. Asking him to explain something over will just force his hand on others because he'll remember you were an ass and if he sees you took the beat he'll take it down.
"I'm not trying to do him wrong I'll just ask over and over if he'll punish me for doing him wrong and if he won't, I'll do him wrong". This is small fry stuff bro just pay the low price on beatstars ,steal it and get it taken down by whatever service he uses or be happy you jacked it off a dude who's too poor to pay for the services who's beat you liked enough to rap over. Producers have different avenues to pursue getting their money depending on their level of success.
iâm just saying if it was me running a business where my own money was on the line, i wouldnât just be assuming that everyone is an honest person and be expecting the best from all my clients, which would then in turn require me to be as clear as possible about the legality of all my agreements.
iâm not actually gonna do this man grimy fr because i do fw him, but this whole professional evasiveness shit is blowing tf out me
this has all just been a lesson to make me realize that all this leasing music shit is not for me and when i make my beatstars iâm not doing that bs. 80 artists on one beat like bruh wtf is that shi
I didn't say he's assuming you're an honest person I said he's treating you like one. Either he has money invested and get shut it down or take the full % of any money you made or he's too broke to pay for that and you're taking advantage of that. I hope this beat isn't like $20 for the "upgrade" bro.
i have the bread thatâs not the problem. itâs just about 1.) me wanting the know how it works for if i start my beatstars and 2.) being confused about his evasive wording
the three times i asked him ab the license he said:
-âYou will be good. The song doesnât get pulled down the second you hit 400,001.â
-âYour song will still be able to accumulate streams once the 400,000 limit is reached. Just reach out to me so we can upgrade the license.â
-âSimply put: no, your song wonât be automatically taken down at 400,001.â
he kept adding clauses like âautomaticallyâ and âthe secondâ and âjust hmu to upgradeâ with each answer. never just a simple: âonce you reach the limits of your licensing agreement, you will need to upgrade to the next tier, otherwise your song risks the chance of removed from streaming services.â
I didnât say you donât have the money where are you reading that? I said either he can take it down if you breach the lease or heâs too broke to pay for services that do that.
Bro at the end of the day youâre trying to be a musician in 2026 where streaming pays little and ai floods people algorithms. If you want to pursue this even a % seriously youâve got to let it go and realise anybody (other than the very top) are making any $ comes from people going out of their way to support each other or completely fucking eachother over with very little in between. What youâve shown me it seems like the dude is offering you a little wiggle room and for some reason you want him to extend less grace?
iâm not tryna make money as much as iâm just tryna have ppl hear this song without getting in trouble. if i got a million listens on this and $0 from it directly, iâd be fine. iâm just in this bc iâm passionate about music, not bc iâm tryna find ways to monetize my expressions
i wouldnât be a running a business that iâm too broke to pay for the safeguards for. if i got taken advantage of for not having those protections in place, i would only be mad at myself. thatâs just the usa bro, moral integrity and capital donât go hand in hand.
Youâre trying to be a musician bro what are you talking about safeguards lol. Get a lawyer then and have them look over this contract with this attitude lol. The entire profession or even make a few $ from the hobby relies on someone not screwing you over.
I just told you the two scenarios either he takes it down or heâs too broke to and you ripped the guy off successfully congratulations man. Check the reply to the other comment bro thatâs my peace. Youâre being annoying
Itâs pretty simple. The track doesnât magically get pulled at 400k, but once you pass that number youâre outside the licence you paid for. At that point youâre technically using the beat without a valid licence, which puts you in breach of contract. The incentive to upgrade isnât takedowns at 400,001, itâs staying legally covered and avoiding problems later when money, distributors, or labels get involved. If you blow past the limit and donât upgrade, the producer is well within his rights to enforce it after the fact.
so the dumbed-down bare bones version of all yâall your replies is essentially this: after the artist reaches the stream limit, the producer is legally within his right to take the track down, but heâs not gonna straight up tell me it WILL be taken down once it hits the limit because he might not keep track of his leases like that so there may be instances where it DOES stay available past the stream limit.
just tell me âyesâ or ânoâ if this is right or wrong.
donât need some whole rigamarole bout corporate sales strategies and ethical business practices
Yes He will have the right to take down the version as you are paying for a limited amount of streams.There is no automatic system that will take the track down once stream limit is crossed. Usually the producer will just contact you to purchase a bigger license if he finds that your track has crossed the streams , well most of the time the artist/management/label purchase an exclusive as soon as a track get big. Also producers usually don't track streams, that part is also true.
The main reason he isn't giving a yes or no is because a producer will never willingly take down such a track unless the artist is not paying the producers agreed upon share or purchasing the proper license(that is in the beat contract license) and he have tried every other method .
That's why he is saying "you just need to upgrade". As that's what usually happens if a track recorded on type beat gets big. Artists just purchase an unlimited license or exclusive license at that point. The producer isn't your enemy , if a track gets that number it's a win for both of you, taking it down will only hurt his business. It will be better for you and him that license is upgraded.
Itâs like an honor system thing. If you blew up and had a bajillion streams, you would want to be upgrading that license along the way so you donât get sued. But none of it results in any sort of takedown, just a legal liability where youâve broken the contract. Trust me, if you have 400,000 streams on anything youâll be paying a lot of attention to whatâs going on. Itâs not that common.
ima copy n paste to show u exactly how he worded it in these emails each time i asked him for clarification
âYou will be good. The song doesnât get pulled down the second you hit 400,001.â
âYour song will still be able to accumulate streams once the 400,000 limit is reached. Just reach out to me so we can upgrade the license.â
âSimply put: no, your song wonât be automatically taken down at 400,001.â
itâs like every time heâs lowkey adding a clause or stipulation. iâm not asking if it will be âAUTOMATICALLYâ taken down. not asking if it will be taken down âTHE SECONDâ it reaches the limit. i was just asking will it get taken down IN GENERAL.
he coulda just said âonce you reach the limits of your licensing agreement, you will need to upgrade to the next tier, otherwise your song risks the chance of removed from streaming services.â
itâs almost like heâs exposing the fact that heâs maybe a lil sloppy when it comes to keeping track of his books by not being able to just tell me straight up that it will be removed once the limit is reached.
if i was in his shoes tryna run a business, i would be expecting the worst outta folks and being as clear to ppl as possible about everything just in case. itâs not rude to explain to a client the legal circumstances that would run their track the risk of being taken down.
Itâs because beat leasing is a scam that only survives because a unique desperation in hiphop culture.
It felt like a run around because itâs bullshit and no one should be paying money to borrow a beat that hundreds if not thousands already used, heard and possibly manipulated.
Itâs bad business, always was..fuck beat stars and the soulless whole sale culture it encourages.
yeah all this definitely crossed my mind. paying to record a track on a beat that maybe 20 other ppl have used does kinda feel like iâm playing myself.
atp iâm feeling like i should just steal the tagless beat off his youtube and then if the track seems like it will genuinely start gaining some type of traction, then iâll go to him to buy whichever lease seems to align w the trajectory of the track
mfs need reasons other than âethical businessâ and âbeing a swell and dandy person wit moralsâ when it comes to tryna make/spend money𤡠never woulda felt the need to steal ts if he could just directly tell me what the legal incentive is
all this indirectness is steering me toward slimeball activitiesđ
if you a beatstars lease producer and donât like reading shi like this, then this is your sign to be loud and direct when explaining your terms to a potential client
The leasing beat culture is literally just producers protecting themselves from wasted artistic investment. They rather whole sale a thousand type beats then risk creating something unique with an artist.
They went into business for themselves and are now surrounded by nothing but other producers trying to convince themselves this is working.
dawg i hate the environment on reddit and didnât even wanna ask on here, but i googled it and asked my other producer homie and still couldnât figure out EXACTLY what the deal was, so i resorted to this app. ts was a mistakeđđ
He's saying that as long as you buy the next tier lease once you hit the threshold, then he won't immediately go after you.
It's not magic. The producer would have to be aware that you're outside of the terms of your lease and then actually pursue going through getting your music taken down.
They would obviously rather you just buy the lease you need. So just do that if the time comes.
okay so he WAS giving me the run aroundđ. wish he would just say that instead of telling me three different variations of âit wonât get taken down, you would just need to upgradeâ
why lead the artist to believe it wonât get taken down when it will? he coulda just said âi will have your track legally removed if you pass the stream limit and donât upgrade the leaseâ
the words âit wonât be taken downâ should have never been typed and sent idk why he kept saying that
I mean, that is what he said.
I think you're both just a little slow. lol
prolly the case. i just never woulda been confused in the first place if he didnât keep saying âthe track wonât get taken downâ when it literally will get taken down
âit WILL be taken down, UNLESS you upgradeâ wouda made way more sense than telling me âit WONâT be taken down, just need to upgradeâ
It "could" be taken down. Doesn't mean it will. He might not keep track of this stuff, and it can also be very difficult to know who leased a beat.
So he could just be telling you that you'll need a higher tier lease in the hopes that you remember and buy one.
I wouldn't chance it though. Just conduct your business correctly and you'll never have to worry.
He might not have been doing it on purpose, but he gave you a customer service / salesman answer to keep the conversation collaborative instead of going to a combative response of âyes, I will take it down.â
I work in training for corporate sales and we teach this strategy. He could have done it better. What if he would have said, âhereâs the cost of the second tier, by the time youâve hit the streaming limit, youâll want to upgrade to the next tier, because weâre both going to benefit and keep the songâs momentum going. If you choose to go in a different direction and donât want that song to be part of your portfolio anymore, you can choose not to renew the tier.â
Bottom line, they could have been more direct. Based only your side of the story, theyâre just treating you like a new client/customer. That type of directness youâre looking for usually only comes in professional settings after a longstanding partnership and mutual belief in positive intentions.
i wouldnât have taken it combatively if he just straight up told me he will take it down. thatâs not him being rude, thatâs him just literally telling me how the lease actually works.
âdonât want that song to be a part of your portfolioâ definitely woulda made sense tho 100%
beat makers out here tryna use corporate sales strategies on mfsđ bro knows we all just soundcloud nobodies, he just need to take off the white collar when tryna explain some shit. tf is this state farm?
Heâs approaching you as if youâre an honest person who will pay for the âupgradeâ if you reach that amount. Thereâs plenty of contracts for all sorts of things where someone could pursue the extreme option but heâs giving you the benefit of the doubt that you will just pay or youâd work something out.
Think about what you asking bro, if I donât pay what will you do is kind of a dick move bro. Do you go up to strangers and ask them what theyâll do if you pissed on their shoes? Only people who are going to piss on your shoes ask that.
god forbid a mf want to know EXACTLY how the lease works. iâm not asking him ts bc iâm tryna do him grimy. i just genuinely didnât understand the incentive if he wonât take it down and wanted to know how all that worked just in case i wanted to ever make a beatstars for my music.
genuinely wdym you don't understand the incentive? The incentive is that you're no longer covered under the previous licence and you got to get covered if you want to do legitimate business. He's got multiple options if you're not covered, he's treating you like an honest person. If you don't want to work with people and build when you're small why are you even bothering this dude.
What do you want him to say? You release it pop off get a 100 mil views and he's going to sue you for all the money you got from the song and get a % off anything you do from there on too and hire guys to break your knees to get his money? Just leave it bro you're just being annoying to this dude. Asking him to explain something over will just force his hand on others because he'll remember you were an ass and if he sees you took the beat he'll take it down.
"I'm not trying to do him wrong I'll just ask over and over if he'll punish me for doing him wrong and if he won't, I'll do him wrong". This is small fry stuff bro just pay the low price on beatstars ,steal it and get it taken down by whatever service he uses or be happy you jacked it off a dude who's too poor to pay for the services who's beat you liked enough to rap over. Producers have different avenues to pursue getting their money depending on their level of success.
iâm just saying if it was me running a business where my own money was on the line, i wouldnât just be assuming that everyone is an honest person and be expecting the best from all my clients, which would then in turn require me to be as clear as possible about the legality of all my agreements.
iâm not actually gonna do this man grimy fr because i do fw him, but this whole professional evasiveness shit is blowing tf out me
this has all just been a lesson to make me realize that all this leasing music shit is not for me and when i make my beatstars iâm not doing that bs. 80 artists on one beat like bruh wtf is that shi
I didn't say he's assuming you're an honest person I said he's treating you like one. Either he has money invested and get shut it down or take the full % of any money you made or he's too broke to pay for that and you're taking advantage of that. I hope this beat isn't like $20 for the "upgrade" bro.
i have the bread thatâs not the problem. itâs just about 1.) me wanting the know how it works for if i start my beatstars and 2.) being confused about his evasive wording
the three times i asked him ab the license he said:
-âYou will be good. The song doesnât get pulled down the second you hit 400,001.â
-âYour song will still be able to accumulate streams once the 400,000 limit is reached. Just reach out to me so we can upgrade the license.â
-âSimply put: no, your song wonât be automatically taken down at 400,001.â
he kept adding clauses like âautomaticallyâ and âthe secondâ and âjust hmu to upgradeâ with each answer. never just a simple: âonce you reach the limits of your licensing agreement, you will need to upgrade to the next tier, otherwise your song risks the chance of removed from streaming services.â
I didnât say you donât have the money where are you reading that? I said either he can take it down if you breach the lease or heâs too broke to pay for services that do that.
Bro at the end of the day youâre trying to be a musician in 2026 where streaming pays little and ai floods people algorithms. If you want to pursue this even a % seriously youâve got to let it go and realise anybody (other than the very top) are making any $ comes from people going out of their way to support each other or completely fucking eachother over with very little in between. What youâve shown me it seems like the dude is offering you a little wiggle room and for some reason you want him to extend less grace?
iâm not tryna make money as much as iâm just tryna have ppl hear this song without getting in trouble. if i got a million listens on this and $0 from it directly, iâd be fine. iâm just in this bc iâm passionate about music, not bc iâm tryna find ways to monetize my expressions
i wouldnât be a running a business that iâm too broke to pay for the safeguards for. if i got taken advantage of for not having those protections in place, i would only be mad at myself. thatâs just the usa bro, moral integrity and capital donât go hand in hand.
Youâre trying to be a musician bro what are you talking about safeguards lol. Get a lawyer then and have them look over this contract with this attitude lol. The entire profession or even make a few $ from the hobby relies on someone not screwing you over.
I just told you the two scenarios either he takes it down or heâs too broke to and you ripped the guy off successfully congratulations man. Check the reply to the other comment bro thatâs my peace. Youâre being annoying
Itâs pretty simple. The track doesnât magically get pulled at 400k, but once you pass that number youâre outside the licence you paid for. At that point youâre technically using the beat without a valid licence, which puts you in breach of contract. The incentive to upgrade isnât takedowns at 400,001, itâs staying legally covered and avoiding problems later when money, distributors, or labels get involved. If you blow past the limit and donât upgrade, the producer is well within his rights to enforce it after the fact.
The song wonât get taken down IF you purchase the next teir, if you donât then youâve voided the lease and it can be taken down
so the dumbed-down bare bones version of all yâall your replies is essentially this: after the artist reaches the stream limit, the producer is legally within his right to take the track down, but heâs not gonna straight up tell me it WILL be taken down once it hits the limit because he might not keep track of his leases like that so there may be instances where it DOES stay available past the stream limit.
just tell me âyesâ or ânoâ if this is right or wrong.
donât need some whole rigamarole bout corporate sales strategies and ethical business practices
We can only guess why. We don't know the guy personally.
Yes.
ok THANK YOU đ đ
The dumb down version is
Yes He will have the right to take down the version as you are paying for a limited amount of streams.There is no automatic system that will take the track down once stream limit is crossed. Usually the producer will just contact you to purchase a bigger license if he finds that your track has crossed the streams , well most of the time the artist/management/label purchase an exclusive as soon as a track get big. Also producers usually don't track streams, that part is also true.
The main reason he isn't giving a yes or no is because a producer will never willingly take down such a track unless the artist is not paying the producers agreed upon share or purchasing the proper license(that is in the beat contract license) and he have tried every other method .
That's why he is saying "you just need to upgrade". As that's what usually happens if a track recorded on type beat gets big. Artists just purchase an unlimited license or exclusive license at that point. The producer isn't your enemy , if a track gets that number it's a win for both of you, taking it down will only hurt his business. It will be better for you and him that license is upgraded.
this fully makes sense. thank you.
You are welcome
Itâs like an honor system thing. If you blew up and had a bajillion streams, you would want to be upgrading that license along the way so you donât get sued. But none of it results in any sort of takedown, just a legal liability where youâve broken the contract. Trust me, if you have 400,000 streams on anything youâll be paying a lot of attention to whatâs going on. Itâs not that common.
what's so hard to understand about that?
ima copy n paste to show u exactly how he worded it in these emails each time i asked him for clarification
âYou will be good. The song doesnât get pulled down the second you hit 400,001.â
âYour song will still be able to accumulate streams once the 400,000 limit is reached. Just reach out to me so we can upgrade the license.â
âSimply put: no, your song wonât be automatically taken down at 400,001.â
itâs like every time heâs lowkey adding a clause or stipulation. iâm not asking if it will be âAUTOMATICALLYâ taken down. not asking if it will be taken down âTHE SECONDâ it reaches the limit. i was just asking will it get taken down IN GENERAL.
he coulda just said âonce you reach the limits of your licensing agreement, you will need to upgrade to the next tier, otherwise your song risks the chance of removed from streaming services.â
itâs almost like heâs exposing the fact that heâs maybe a lil sloppy when it comes to keeping track of his books by not being able to just tell me straight up that it will be removed once the limit is reached.
if i was in his shoes tryna run a business, i would be expecting the worst outta folks and being as clear to ppl as possible about everything just in case. itâs not rude to explain to a client the legal circumstances that would run their track the risk of being taken down.
Itâs because beat leasing is a scam that only survives because a unique desperation in hiphop culture.
It felt like a run around because itâs bullshit and no one should be paying money to borrow a beat that hundreds if not thousands already used, heard and possibly manipulated.
Itâs bad business, always was..fuck beat stars and the soulless whole sale culture it encourages.
yeah all this definitely crossed my mind. paying to record a track on a beat that maybe 20 other ppl have used does kinda feel like iâm playing myself.
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atp iâm feeling like i should just steal the tagless beat off his youtube and then if the track seems like it will genuinely start gaining some type of traction, then iâll go to him to buy whichever lease seems to align w the trajectory of the track
mfs need reasons other than âethical businessâ and âbeing a swell and dandy person wit moralsâ when it comes to tryna make/spend money𤡠never woulda felt the need to steal ts if he could just directly tell me what the legal incentive is
all this indirectness is steering me toward slimeball activitiesđ
if you a beatstars lease producer and donât like reading shi like this, then this is your sign to be loud and direct when explaining your terms to a potential client
The leasing beat culture is literally just producers protecting themselves from wasted artistic investment. They rather whole sale a thousand type beats then risk creating something unique with an artist.
They went into business for themselves and are now surrounded by nothing but other producers trying to convince themselves this is working.
I want all the downvotesâŚâŚ
dawg i hate the environment on reddit and didnât even wanna ask on here, but i googled it and asked my other producer homie and still couldnât figure out EXACTLY what the deal was, so i resorted to this app. ts was a mistakeđđ