hi everybody! we sat down with Eddy and Brett who confirmed they were finished with TwoSet Violin, though they said they would likely continue to work together.
“We’ve said all that we wanted to say,” Brett said in an interview. “It felt like I had 50-kilo weights on my shoulders for the last 11 years, just trying to please people and be the best that we can.”
It’s an odd headline. They didn’t really poke fun at classical music, they mostly poked fun at people who don’t understand or appreciate it. Which was kinda nice because so often people who do understand classical music are told to shut up and not be pretentious. And they embraced the pretension so well 😍
They also made fun of people who understand classical music but just preferred other types, like contemporary stuff. And yes, they did make fun of the music.
I wish they'd kept their videos. I fell off the channel the last 2 years and I was going to catch up on when I could but now, that's not an option anymore.
A lot of their videos were copystriked. They've talked about it a lot, particularly in the past year. You can still find most of their videos on Facebook and Bilibili.
TwoSet gets $0 from the videos. And they do ask the fans to buy from TSA to help recover the production costs.
But Brett and Eddy also have to contend with companies which sell fake TSA stuff. And some "fans" would rather pay $10 for a crappy look-alike T-shirt that falls apart after the 1st wash instead of saving up to buy the real thing. They also don't have the reach or manufacturing cost of companies like Nike. The cost per item means they'd make less profit than Nike would on a similar product and same price.
Copystriked videos are not taken down by YouTube. However any revenue generated goes to the copystrikers instead of Brett and Eddy. The copystrike algorithms also crawl through their entire catalog, so videos can be copystriked months or years later.
A prime example is their 4M concert livestream. TSV made 2 heart-breaking videos about this. They had to fight the copystrike and still didn't get the revenue back when it under dispute. TwoSetters also fought online against the copystriker company to get them to withdraw their claim. Imagine doing this for 100s of videos.
Content creators should have control over their content. Just because someone bought a Taylor Swift ticket & merchandise doesn't mean they get dictate what songs she writes or whether she wants to remove them from her catalog.
I agree with you about us not being entitled. But if this becomes the new internet meta at large, then why the f* would anyone become a fan of anything anymore? Why commit to an artist or creator or movement if you can't really allow their creations to become part of you out of fear that they rightfully take it away again later. It's not a brand of peanut butter.
And look, this is overly dramatic and kind of a slippery slope argument. The internet can be a tough thing to deal with. But is your art a product to you? Or is it art to you? I think if for monetary reasons you feel like you are allowed to retract previously released works, you don't really consider yourself a creator, but rather a salesman. And if that's how everyone on YouTube and other platforms operated, we're better off going back to DVDs and other forms of physicals releases. Humans need food to survive, but our identities mean something to us. And I find it somewhat sad that a generally wholesome community that shared something through their videos are now left with a nothing burger. Even if it's all for very understandable reasons.
From what I understand they deleted all the videos they didn’t deem the crème de la crème. That’s why there’s only 29 videos, those are the ones they value the most
Except what they deemed to be ”crème de la crème” is totally not what I and thousands of other consider to be their best. Why not let everybody decide what came closest to their heart?
Well we are audiences, they create contents so it’s not for us to decide. Tho I thought they’d leave their most viewed videos but clearly many that has higher view counts were deleted
Of course it's up to them. But I doubt over 1000 videos got copystriked. Tbh they must really have disliked a lot of their work to remove so much monetized content.
It's a two-way street. I see the "they're the creators giving you something for free so you don't get a say" line of argument about Youtube a lot, and it's true to a point, but at the same time, it's only because of the fanbase watching the content that creators can even make it a job in the first place. The idea that a creator owes nothing to the fanbase is simply not correct IMO - there's give and take. A creator is not obligated to keep going just to please the fans, but to then take away the vast majority of the videos that were already released tells fans that they don't actually matter at all, which seems like a real lack of awareness about how Youtube works.
They basically answered whatever fans asked them on the livestream. There's also a recent interview they had with Augustman, a Singaporean men's magazine. Seems to have taken place after the livestream based off their answers.
YouTube is blocked in China, so several different Chinese platforms fill the void, Bilibili being one of them. There's a lot of pirated material on it, including YouTube videos. Due having a potential audience of 1b, a lot of non-Chinese content creators & companies have used it as well, so there's also some official material. Aside from the Wikipedia article on it, this long Reddit post also gives a good explanation from a VTuber perspective
So rather than telling us, “ok we are done we can’t find anything else to say and it is getting tough to do some content and we decided to back off, but before that, we will have one last surprise that will come in a couple of months” or something to that effect, they just say “thanks.”, delete vids go radio silent and after months casually drops an interview in the Times (which some of us might never read)?
Man that’s cold.
Humans are weird. They started doing this for fun and for free but when it paid a good income, couldn't do it any more. This is not criticism, just observation. We want to progress and feel it.
the thing is when you do something just for fun without being financially dependent on it you can come and go with your hobby or passion project. you can pick and choose only the parts you like also
for them it wasnt like that, they had to deal with a lot of pressure and need to please the audience. a lot of content creators talk about it, like to them if their channel start falling off they feel bad and worried, they go on thinking on what they can do to recover the numbers and so on - also because it directly impacts their income and earnings.
Though they probably still enjoyed the fun aspects and totally are still passionate about classical music - that was the main reason I think they've chosen to produce the videos, to go like 'hey classical music is still our passion, and we encourage everybody to discover and explore that art form as well'
Oh yeah no doubt I know it and trust its editorial line, but I won’t buy it or check what is going on via this newspaper. Obviously, because some local newspaper does it all the same and is even more conveniently accessible.
I mean, this is not the first newspaper I’d check. I think that one on my native language (Baguette) would naturally be my first pick to check on something happening, thus, accidentally stumbling upon an article about TSV in the Times is highly unlikely ! 😃
That's a French newspaper? Do the French even know who TwoSet Violin are? I remember they had to cancel their Paris show on their 1st world tour (2018) because lack of ticket sales. And on their recent world tour, skipped it entirely.
That’s a pretty good question, I have never met another Ling Ling wannabee in France. If they don’t check the sub or stumble upon it randomly in their feed it is highly unlikely yeah!
Agree I'm a old person lol 39 pianist amateur ofc loll but I did watch a lot of their video 4-5 years ago they were really funny... really appreciated the humor and the love for classical music...now they just lost all my respect saldy they are still really talented musicians but that was not the way to do it...I'm really disappointed...I'm still here because I'm still curious to see ppl opinion I will leave soon leave the reddit and unsubscribe from YouTube if it still exists eventually...it's sad they were really doing something.. reassembling the young classical musicians around the world and just having a laught...oh well good luck to them I guess
Agree with you 100%... I'm still hanging around here too, but I'll unsub from both here and YouTube at some point. I just feel sad that it came to this, I guess.
That does make sense, actually . Touring all over and producing hundreds of videos will definitely do numbers on people. I just wish they had just told us this, instead of saying it in a nytimes interview.
Last time they needed to take a break or slow down it was well received when it was communicated. I don't quite understand the quote about avoiding a "seems-authentic" farewell video.
I don't see what's difficult about saying that you're done because it's no longer the life you want to live, that you're going to be wrapping up with one last epic surprise, that the store is winding down, and that you're thankful for the good parts of this chapter in your career. If you're sick of internet interactions, you can say that and turn off all the comments on your videos. If you're sick of monetization/copyright administration tasks, you can say that you are going to take down your videos but leave them up on platforms that are less litigious. If you're scared of some content from the past haunting your future career, you can say that you've grown and want to curate your impact on the community. If you want to lock that content away as a future cash grab, I guess that's a bit tough to communicate without backlash.
Basically all of those options are what people who are tired but not burnt out would make, if they take their time and cared to take advice from their close ones.
As it seems, they were severely burnt out and made a rash and bad (as the response to it makes evident) decision. Which, well, it's their prerrogative.
Also, who can say that artists take the most rational decisions all the time?
We can still comment on their social media, right? What bars me from penning an essay about my feelings about the NYT article right to their YT or Insta?
I think They did it the way they did it because they need to regain a bit of their lives back, make a refreshed start to their careers and lives. Packing up their old works, saying a simple thanks and goodbye , and leaving the fans the 6 upcoming videos as a gift is really pretty gracious, I think. If you look at all the angry demands for explanations and apologies they’ve been getting from so called fans, you can see why they felt the need to close up shop and move to something else.
Bilibili is my saviour for films & series, but Twoset & Chicken & Youtube just belonged together. And Palchelbel's Chicken was such a nice video to link & share for christmas..
Uh, so you already have Bilibili but refuse to use it for TSV. That's like refusing to eat the steak because it should be served on a Gibson plate instead of the IKEA one.
No, believe me, I can't "teach" people to click on some random chinese site they never heard of, when I just want to send them a christmas greet via whatsapp. And again: I don't want TSV pirated on Bilibili, I want the nromal channel approved & free & legal on Youtube. I'm glad when people actually use Whatsapp, especially older folks in Germany are totally against social media and messenger apps. >_<
What do you mean by "have" Bilibili? It's on the internet! I have means of accessing old TSV videos, but that's not what I want, I want the old youtube channel & it being connected to them & the vibe. Also, I like to share the chicken videos - I don't think anybody would click bilibili on their phone, I live in Germany & people are really choosy about which sites they deem trustworthy - basically, paranoid about data processing or whatever.
"Have" in the sense that you know how to access and use it, and obviously understand the benefits and risks associated with it. Every platform is accessible through the Internet.
I don't know how Facebook is viewed in Germany, but isn't it more favorably than Bilibili?
I only stream videos on Bilibili on my laptop. I haven't signed up or anything. I don't think Bilibili is well known in Germany, and won't talk about it to anyone, because Germany bans everything, we even got cut off from Project Gutenberg for copyright infringement on Thomas Mann!!
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My uncle lives in the Philippines, he is the only one I know, who actually still uses facebook. It's not really that popular in Germany anymore. I think I'm just really a youtube person.
I mean it still is a rebranding (sorta), they did say they will keep working together and that they might perform as B2TSM again since they don't want to waste all that, but guess bye bye to casual videos, oh well, whatever is best for their health, wish them the best and really hope to see more B2TSM in the future
Point of the article is to say : it's over. It's not a rebranding. They are just doing does few last videos, B2TSM as a farewell, that's it. They had indeed said in 2022 that B2TSM would come back, that's right now. And then it's done.
its not a rebranding. a rebranding would be to change their platform names to b2tsm and make youtube content as b2tsm which they arent doing. they are quitting youtube. its a retirement - or at least a very long break, who knows. they might change their minds in the future; their instagram post of "this is the last piece of content we are posting as twoset" doesnt legally binds them to anything lol they can just be like 'well hey we are Bach again'
All I can say is good for them. They're finally putting themselves first. I've been watching TwoSet since I was 16. I'm 26 now. I learned how to play cello because of them. I'm deeply saddened to hear that they're officially quitting, but I'm happy that we are getting B2TSM videos as a goodbye. I'm happy that we're getting anything and I will forever cherish the memories I have created because of them.
Thank you for the last 11 years, Brett and Eddy. Thank you for everything you've done for us. Thank you for putting yourselves first.
Oh well, I wanted an explanation and I got it. I’m glad they didn’t fight and that both of them are ok. Honestly I can’t even imagine the burnout, and even if it hurt a little it’s clear why they chose to do it the way they did. It’s our turn to say goodbye and enjoy the videos ( or not, but don’t send hate )
Also this line? “Chen agreed. “I’m pretty useless in some areas of life without Brett,” he said.” Uuugh, fiction wishes it could write this friendships 😭
"go practice" doesn't really sound convincing from the mouth of someone who had just literally burned out so spectacularly. don't go practice if you feel like it and take good care of yourself.
Anyone else confused by the somewhat sarcastic, cold, jaded feel of their quotes? It has to be because of the burnout, right? Or were they always just kind of like that and I never noticed?
If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube. They give an explanation which primarily stemmed from the worker exploitation allegations and many fans not giving them the benefit of doubt.
If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube. They give an explanation which primarily stemmed from the worker exploitation allegations.
I do feel sad for them if the weight of pleasing the community became too big but still belive they could have addressed it and change their type of content if it is what they wanted to do...basically just be transparent honest..you are a famous person on internet lots of ppl especially young look up to you
They have been changing their content. That's why there's a podcast, why they made the Dhar Mann-style videos, they had violin charades with Davie504, Among Us Septet, Violin Olympics 2024, educational videos, etc. But they weren't getting that many views, even though people would say they want those types of videos.
They also got copystriked a lot. And they have to constantly chase after the social media algorithms to try and have their material show up on feeds. As the article said, even when they were in Japan, which was likely their vacation, they were still working. They never mentioned any health issues in the article, but we know Brett's worked himself into the hospital.
To be honest I haven't watched them since the era of the blackpink music video wich I did find hilarious!after that they stopped doing the charade I feel maybe I'm wrong idk...and the reacting of random classical video the reaction video were my favorite with all the meme that it brought 😂 mmmm interesting 😄 anyway no hate to them at all I will look into their new content and see for myself if I still want to be part of the community
All their recent content, except the Bach video has been privated. I'm not sure how caught up Bilibili is, but Facebook is over a year behind. I really liked the Violin Olympics 2024 episode too 😢
I still don't understand why they had to remove old content. Feels like a stupid decision here to stab the fans in the back.
How dose it hurt them to leave to content up? Why would they take it from the fans.
Its allright to want to end their career and move on, many youtubers have quite and retired, they should have learned from others and done it in a respectful way.
They dont have to explain to us why, or go into details, or make it too long. A simple goodbye video talking about the fact that they want to move on, and they'd rather not say why, but they're happy for the good times. That would have been enough.
A five minute video talking like humans and treating their fans with respect would be so much better then whatever this is.
This doesn't feel like a proper goodbye it feels like leaving someone a grand last goodbye message and blocking them, no proper conversation no chance to say goodbye back.
This doesn't feel like they did it for the fans, with them in mind. It feels like they did it for their own sake. It's angering and disappointing.
they may not want all their videos to be in the public eye or on youtube since they have mentioned about stress coming from comments and viewers, and that’s totally ok. it’s their choice and their videos are still up on different platforms for you to watch.
Because it's about respect. They can do things for their own sake, but they should still respect their fans.
You wouldn't send a friend a goodbye message then ghost them.
While they're not friends with their fans, a relationship between fans and creators is still a relationship. And for many it can be very strong and Impactful.
Every relationship deserves respect, just like they deserve their fans to respect their wishes to move foward and be left along and have their privacy, their fans deserve the respect of having a proper goodbye and having what's important to them left intact.
As far as we know, leaving the videos up isn't harmful for them in any way. And even if they just can't stand them being up, the fans deserve for them to tell it to their face, with respect. Not disappear for 2 months and bearly say anything in a flipping new York times post.
Someone quoted New York Times that this will be 1 of their farewell videos indeed. Sad. But do they think all their fans are subscribers of the newspaper?
It's said that they're under a lot of pressure ,I can well understand that. But when they roasted other artists and musicians, had they considered that it'd give unwanted pressure to those people too？
I honestly think they kind of do now regret some of those roasts, which may be part of the reasons they deleted some of the videos.
Take the Alma Deutscher roast. Funny? Oh goodness, yes. Memeable? For years. Deserved? Not at all. In the end, that particular video, despite how great the comedy was out of it, was of a really bad target, came off as mean-spirited and really did nothing to encourage young talents to grow and in fact could have led to the opposite.
So yes, they have considered it, and now having been on both sides of the equation, it seems natural they've moved beyond it and see how that sort of negative comedy as something that encouraged toxic mindsets and isn't worthy of archiving.
~Critique the popification of classical music mockingly?
~Roast dozens of fellow artists and musicians harshly and even sometimes cruelly ? Did they even thrive on it?Maybe their fans learn it from them.
They gave me the impression that we should take criticism good humouredly. So why are they so upset when they themselves are under scrutiny? Do not do others what you would not have them do to you.
I'm so confused. They aren't the 2 set I once knew.
Guess they have been really stressed out by all the pressure and possibly some of the negativity from the public and they want to break away from Twoset.
As part of their farewell, Chen and Yang are planning to release six videos in which they play members of a band of composers called B²TSM.
So they are not "back as B²TSM, B²TSM is part of their farewell? *sob*
To the fans disappointed by their decision, they offered a simple response.
“Go practice,” Yang said. “There are no excuses anymore.”
I think the fans were not so much disappointed by their decision but instead of how they decided to do it. If this article were out on the same day they disappeared or if they announce their decision properly, it would not have that much of a backlash. At least fans will know, "ok they are going to step down from Twoset but we can expect a few more videos as part of their farewell."
I have been watching them for many years, I’ve tuned in to their live concerts. I am not some teenaged fan I am a grown adult.
I want to push back against the people who say the fans are were for too much for a proper goodbye video, or are being too parasocial for being upset at this whole fiasco.
I think it is valid they are burnt out and exhausted and also emotionally tired from the online hate and the social media space that can be toxic. But the majority of people I see disappointed about how they are handling their farewell are genuine well meaning fans who are mostly quite young. They are completely allowed to end being twoset or rebrand or quit YouTube. However what I DO NOT agree with is how they have so far chosen how to say goodbye.
I see this interview as a last minute attempt at trying to clarify things a little after the awfully confusing way they chose to say goodbye. The right way to do it would have been to put up a video explaining why they are ending twoset and what was going to happen with the channel. Like other people have said the way they chose about to do things is like an ex breaking up over text. Sure we do not know them but as people who have supported them, given them an income and shown up to their concerts, is it a two way relationship between creators and audiences.
What makes me feel it is particularly disrespectful is the idea they still want fans to buy their merch even with this lackluster goodbye , they chose to go radio silent and even when a lot of people were visibly disappointed and distressed in this sub they chose to ignore that and continue designing merch new merch and having a big sale on their old merch store while still posting merch store posts pushing the sales.
I always thought Brett and eddy were nice guys and above treating their fanbase as cash cows. But now it really feels like all they care about is making an income out of their audience while disregarding how they feel. If they cared they would have issued a statement sooner, I find it hard to believe they or their team did not know how upset people were on here. Yet they chose to ignore it.
Rebranding the merch store and launching new products just as they are ending the whole channel feels too much of a cash grab to me. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and has forever changed how I view Brett and eddy. Yes I know twoset is ultimately a business but they created a community and have a responsibility to be decent custodians of that community.
I wish they ended this the proper way. With a proper statement and then the music videos after. It is sad what happened his has come to after listening and watching them for so many years.
I hope they realise how badly they messed up now.
To all those who are saying this is asking for too much, I think you should reflect on why you think it is acceptable for content creators to treat their fanbase like they don’t matter. It is valid to feel like your support hasn’t counted for anything the way they have chosen to say goodbye.
I agree with you. I'm a grown adult in my mid 30s and not some young teenager as well. My opinion is that as celebrities, some accountability is due. The way they have treated their fanbase really tells a lot about their character. I was still hopeful and giving them the benefit of doubt that perhaps something happened that they are not allowed or unable to comment on that's why they went silent. Knowing the truth does provide a closure to the questions we have about their disappearance but it does not justify what they have done.
I saw this quote somewhere about chasing after celebrities and I totally agree, it is loosely translated:
The relationship between celebrity and fans are like between lovers: the party that invests more feeling than the other loses.
I'm not much older than Brett and Eddy (who are in their early 30s themselves). If I quit my job out of the blue one day, deleted most of my work off my computer, and then sent my boss a DM on LinkedIn explaining that it'd been a wild ride but this was the last communication they'd be getting from me as an employee, I'd be torching my professional reputation. And then to do a newspaper interview after a month of radio silence pointing the finger at them for being too critical? Gentlemen...
I can imagine doomscrolling critical YouTube comments would hurt your feelings. But there's a proper way to go about these things.
100%. What's particularly weird is how they made a video (April Fools?) joking about quitting YT, yet somehow couldn't make an actual goodbye/thank you video.
Am also confused about this supposed negativity. The TSV comment sections were, by far, some of the most positive I've ever seen on YT by far
Yes, exactly. The negative comments on their actual social media—YouTube, Instagram, Facebook (these are the ones I use; sorry, an old millennial here)—were probably less than 10%. Most people were actual fans and really nice. To add to that, I watched a video with them filmed in June during their tour in China—at the Yale Center Beijing. It was basically a discussion with a host and guests about different subjects, and one of the questions was exactly about negativity and negative comments. They spoke really eloquently, and one of the things Eddy said was: "It's so easy to focus on the vocal 10%, but sometimes it's nice to read the other comments that are actually positive—and they are the majority, 90% of the comments."
I think they probably got disappointed that even with their best efforts, they weren’t able to produce viral content anymore. And the current views were not enough to sustain the channel for much longer. Which is an absolutely valid reason for deciding to quit YouTube. I mean, 11 years and more than 1,500 videos—that’s a really, really huge amount of work. I also believe they got severely burned out by doing tours, videos, podcasts, and other projects. Adding to that the low views, they probably felt underappreciated and decided it was time to quit and take a much-needed break.
Judging by the article and the way they handled the whole situation, I feel like they might not be in the best headspace right now. I've watched not only their videos but also their interviews on other platforms, and I find it hard to reconcile their past behavior with their recent actions. Hopefully, they’ll get some much-needed rest and return in a different form.
One thing that puzzles me is that they signed with KD Schmid earlier this year as 'TwoSet Violin' for 'Orchestral Projects in North America and Europe,' as stated on the agency's Instagram account. They are still listed on the KD website, and there haven’t been any updates on the matter. Of course, contracts can be terminated, but that usually comes with a hefty price. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
Yes I think what is so upsetting is this is these are the last guys you would expect to do such a thing. You want to give them the benefit of the doubt. They seemed like really wholesome guys and I enjoyed their content over the years. I wish it ended on a better note and more responsibility.
Their imperfections are why we stayed. The lack of genuineness is why lots drifted off. They could have produced the most cringeworthy, most low quality jejune video, but as long as it was still them, it would have been ate up. But as they drifted off from fans, as they started getting more high quality and produced, they felt to be “too perfect”. We don’t want some utter perfect caricature, we just want their genuine selves.
So it WAS something health related, just not in the way I thought.
Do I think they handled this well? No. However at the same time, burnouts are brutal. I‘ve had one and it is a complete nightmare. Decision making is definitely not what it should be.
Ultimately, I’m grateful for the entertainment they brought to me. I was definitely never the most dedicated fan, but I did have several much loved videos, which I watched over and over. I’m thankful they made those. I’m also grateful that Eddy was so honest about his stage fright. I have horrific stage fright and knowing his journey has helped me not give up on mine.
I wish them well on their path. I really hope they can do what they need for their mental health and find something that‘ll bring them joy.
Something came to me. Is this what happens when two socially awkward people find common ground and avoid anything but comfort zone?
Their farewell more "original" than any of their content?
I feel they took the wrong or no advice and ran themselves into the ground.
The B2TSM videos are so cringy and I always skipped the videos like that. Why not just post a 2 minute goodbye and thank you video instead of pulling the stunt they did. And you would think they would have just left the videos up to keep some of the cash flowing instead of cutting most of it off.
Most of their videos have been copystriked. Therefore it'd be the copystrikers getting the income. Most of their videos are still available on Facebook and Bilibili. Facebook actually has a few which were removed from YouTube.
what's your source for "most"? i'd go for "some" or "a good number" but most? and they even removed many of their original music videos, the all talking ones with nothing to copystrike (mukbang w Hilary!), games, the HH and Chloe Ling Ling challenge... nah, copystrike isn't the reason
I miss the 2set who made classical music fun;told me to practice and their passion in pursuing music.
I never like the roast episodes. I think musicians should help each other instead of roasting each other. It's a difficult journey in itself already.
After 6 weeks of worrying and grieving, I've kind of becoming numb to this MV and the NYT article. I can't relate much to them. I never like rap in the first place except duh duh duh dum.
Then I got an email from B2TSM merch, I feel even more numb after what has happened.
My first response is come on.
Gone are the 2 boys who had a pure passion for violin when they started off with nothing....Time to move on but somehow I can feel their bitterness.
I'm no longer a LL40H follower or a TwoSet fan. Despite this, I read the article in full — and I'm grateful to learn that they are not separated as friends or something even more drastic — but the timing for this is really off. I agree that burning out is a very, very reasonable and valid feeling, and it's easy to understand why that could've pushed them to quit their Youtube channel, but the way they decided to quit was out of character for them.
After a month of simmering in confusion, anger, grief and so on, the fans who decried the abrupt end might find some degree of (late) closure, while the ones who didn't care anymore about the unfortunate drama that erupted post B&E leaving have moved on from everything TwoSet related.
Personally, I've been a bit of both — I wanted to have some degree of closure, and I am moving on, but still proud to have been a fan for some time — and I think that we have something important to learn from here.
I was hope for some sort of explanation but seem like there'll not be a scheduled video for that as they said "We don't want to post a trite video for explanation". Of course they also said that all B2TSM are theirs though that left for fan. And as I understand that their very based idea for 2Set was a fantasy place for everyone to enjoy classical music together and hope their disappearance does not corrupt it as this lingling reddit channel.
Oh well, I think I could miss here and there a few key point but this is what I understand and my demanded video for explanation (which will never come) had been proven. Though, I still appreciate our time together.
I’m wondering if I’m the only slow one here - since when were they based in Singapore?!?!?!!?!?!!?? Should I like open my eyes to see if I’ll spot them around?! I always thought they were in Australia!
When they filmed from the room with the gray sound absorbing tiles or the white blinds, I think that was in Australia. When they set up the white cube shelves behind them, that was Singapore.
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ngl, it's kind of naive of them to do this, and it looks like a child throwing a tantrum if it's just because they were fatigued. I still believe that something happened that they disliked what the two sets had become and deleted all their history.
hi everybody! we sat down with Eddy and Brett who confirmed they were finished with TwoSet Violin, though they said they would likely continue to work together.
“We’ve said all that we wanted to say,” Brett said in an interview. “It felt like I had 50-kilo weights on my shoulders for the last 11 years, just trying to please people and be the best that we can.”
you can read our full article for free here, even without a subscription to The New York Times.
It’s an odd headline. They didn’t really poke fun at classical music, they mostly poked fun at people who don’t understand or appreciate it. Which was kinda nice because so often people who do understand classical music are told to shut up and not be pretentious. And they embraced the pretension so well 😍
They also made fun of people who understand classical music but just preferred other types, like contemporary stuff. And yes, they did make fun of the music.
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Would be much easier to do if they weren’t paywalled
What do you mean? The gift link allows anyone (barring whatever restrictions your country might have) to be able to read the article.
I wish they'd kept their videos. I fell off the channel the last 2 years and I was going to catch up on when I could but now, that's not an option anymore.
A lot of their videos were copystriked. They've talked about it a lot, particularly in the past year. You can still find most of their videos on Facebook and Bilibili.
That just means someone else gets the ad revenue share. Or half.
Twoset would still be the ones selling merch from those videos.
TwoSet gets $0 from the videos. And they do ask the fans to buy from TSA to help recover the production costs.
But Brett and Eddy also have to contend with companies which sell fake TSA stuff. And some "fans" would rather pay $10 for a crappy look-alike T-shirt that falls apart after the 1st wash instead of saving up to buy the real thing. They also don't have the reach or manufacturing cost of companies like Nike. The cost per item means they'd make less profit than Nike would on a similar product and same price.
And? If they get taken down by YT, they get taken down. That's no reason to make every video private.
Without all the original comments, without the ability to make playlists etc.
Great 👍
Copystriked videos are not taken down by YouTube. However any revenue generated goes to the copystrikers instead of Brett and Eddy. The copystrike algorithms also crawl through their entire catalog, so videos can be copystriked months or years later.
A prime example is their 4M concert livestream. TSV made 2 heart-breaking videos about this. They had to fight the copystrike and still didn't get the revenue back when it under dispute. TwoSetters also fought online against the copystriker company to get them to withdraw their claim. Imagine doing this for 100s of videos.
Content creators should have control over their content. Just because someone bought a Taylor Swift ticket & merchandise doesn't mean they get dictate what songs she writes or whether she wants to remove them from her catalog.
I agree with you about us not being entitled. But if this becomes the new internet meta at large, then why the f* would anyone become a fan of anything anymore? Why commit to an artist or creator or movement if you can't really allow their creations to become part of you out of fear that they rightfully take it away again later. It's not a brand of peanut butter.
And look, this is overly dramatic and kind of a slippery slope argument. The internet can be a tough thing to deal with. But is your art a product to you? Or is it art to you? I think if for monetary reasons you feel like you are allowed to retract previously released works, you don't really consider yourself a creator, but rather a salesman. And if that's how everyone on YouTube and other platforms operated, we're better off going back to DVDs and other forms of physicals releases. Humans need food to survive, but our identities mean something to us. And I find it somewhat sad that a generally wholesome community that shared something through their videos are now left with a nothing burger. Even if it's all for very understandable reasons.
Thanks. I’m glad we have a little bit of an explanation. I am curious what they are planning to do for money though.
How come you didn’t ask them to elaborate on why they deleted all those videos? Those are a valuable educational resource—all just gone POOF.
From what I understand they deleted all the videos they didn’t deem the crème de la crème. That’s why there’s only 29 videos, those are the ones they value the most
they didn't like Fantasia enough :(
Genuinely broke my heart they deleted this one.
I'm just surprised they deleted Fantasia. That was something I thought they put their whole hearts into.
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube. They talk about Fantasia in it too.
Except what they deemed to be ”crème de la crème” is totally not what I and thousands of other consider to be their best. Why not let everybody decide what came closest to their heart?
Well we are audiences, they create contents so it’s not for us to decide. Tho I thought they’d leave their most viewed videos but clearly many that has higher view counts were deleted
It's not a democracy. This is their work and they should have control over what happens with it. A lot of their videos have been copystriked.
The level of entitlement....
Sure, it is up to them. But everyone else may question the decision. It is very strange.
Even if they left up 500 videos, there'd still be people complaining that their favourite video isn't included. No one's ever satisfied.
Brett and Eddy are tired of trying to cater to all the differing demands, and who could blame them.
Of course it's up to them. But I doubt over 1000 videos got copystriked. Tbh they must really have disliked a lot of their work to remove so much monetized content.
It's a two-way street. I see the "they're the creators giving you something for free so you don't get a say" line of argument about Youtube a lot, and it's true to a point, but at the same time, it's only because of the fanbase watching the content that creators can even make it a job in the first place. The idea that a creator owes nothing to the fanbase is simply not correct IMO - there's give and take. A creator is not obligated to keep going just to please the fans, but to then take away the vast majority of the videos that were already released tells fans that they don't actually matter at all, which seems like a real lack of awareness about how Youtube works.
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
Thanks for the headsup, I doubt YouTube would've shown it to me. I'm glad to see they're putting the old videos back, will check out the live stream.
They basically answered whatever fans asked them on the livestream. There's also a recent interview they had with Augustman, a Singaporean men's magazine. Seems to have taken place after the livestream based off their answers.
Based on what? Genuinely interested
May be its possible to get some of those videos back again. Im.sure they still exsist
Most of their videos are still available on Facebook and Bilibili.
Facebook? Awesome! Amazing platform.
Wtf is Bilibili?
YouTube is blocked in China, so several different Chinese platforms fill the void, Bilibili being one of them. There's a lot of pirated material on it, including YouTube videos. Due having a potential audience of 1b, a lot of non-Chinese content creators & companies have used it as well, so there's also some official material. Aside from the Wikipedia article on it, this long Reddit post also gives a good explanation from a VTuber perspective
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
So rather than telling us, “ok we are done we can’t find anything else to say and it is getting tough to do some content and we decided to back off, but before that, we will have one last surprise that will come in a couple of months” or something to that effect, they just say “thanks.”, delete vids go radio silent and after months casually drops an interview in the Times (which some of us might never read)? Man that’s cold.
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Humans are weird. They started doing this for fun and for free but when it paid a good income, couldn't do it any more. This is not criticism, just observation. We want to progress and feel it.
the thing is when you do something just for fun without being financially dependent on it you can come and go with your hobby or passion project. you can pick and choose only the parts you like also
for them it wasnt like that, they had to deal with a lot of pressure and need to please the audience. a lot of content creators talk about it, like to them if their channel start falling off they feel bad and worried, they go on thinking on what they can do to recover the numbers and so on - also because it directly impacts their income and earnings.
Though they probably still enjoyed the fun aspects and totally are still passionate about classical music - that was the main reason I think they've chosen to produce the videos, to go like 'hey classical music is still our passion, and we encourage everybody to discover and explore that art form as well'
The link to the article allows you past the paywall. I think it'd reach a larger audience than The Strad or an Australian news outlet.
From the responses in this community, nothing would satisfy everybody. So they went with the route that worked for them.
Oh I was simply referring to the fact that foreigners might not check the Times and as it is mentioned nowhere else it might be complicated.
Also not everyone is on Reddit, or has some LL40H updates on the feed as it has been a no man’s land for quite a while.
The NYT is fairly well-known in most Western countries, and largely respected.
They'll probably post the article on all their socials as well.
Oh yeah no doubt I know it and trust its editorial line, but I won’t buy it or check what is going on via this newspaper. Obviously, because some local newspaper does it all the same and is even more conveniently accessible.
Do you mean in general you'd prefer to get your news from local papers? Or that your local news will reprint the TSV article?
I mean, this is not the first newspaper I’d check. I think that one on my native language (Baguette) would naturally be my first pick to check on something happening, thus, accidentally stumbling upon an article about TSV in the Times is highly unlikely ! 😃
That's a French newspaper? Do the French even know who TwoSet Violin are? I remember they had to cancel their Paris show on their 1st world tour (2018) because lack of ticket sales. And on their recent world tour, skipped it entirely.
That’s a pretty good question, I have never met another Ling Ling wannabee in France. If they don’t check the sub or stumble upon it randomly in their feed it is highly unlikely yeah!
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
Yeah I saw ! Nice Christmas gift !
Awesome! Just wanted to make sure people knew.
Agree I'm a old person lol 39 pianist amateur ofc loll but I did watch a lot of their video 4-5 years ago they were really funny... really appreciated the humor and the love for classical music...now they just lost all my respect saldy they are still really talented musicians but that was not the way to do it...I'm really disappointed...I'm still here because I'm still curious to see ppl opinion I will leave soon leave the reddit and unsubscribe from YouTube if it still exists eventually...it's sad they were really doing something.. reassembling the young classical musicians around the world and just having a laught...oh well good luck to them I guess
Nooo! Stay! Don't punish the community for B&E's burnout!!
Agree with you 100%... I'm still hanging around here too, but I'll unsub from both here and YouTube at some point. I just feel sad that it came to this, I guess.
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
That does make sense, actually . Touring all over and producing hundreds of videos will definitely do numbers on people. I just wish they had just told us this, instead of saying it in a nytimes interview.
In any case, I guess I must go practice now.
Last time they needed to take a break or slow down it was well received when it was communicated. I don't quite understand the quote about avoiding a "seems-authentic" farewell video.
I don't see what's difficult about saying that you're done because it's no longer the life you want to live, that you're going to be wrapping up with one last epic surprise, that the store is winding down, and that you're thankful for the good parts of this chapter in your career. If you're sick of internet interactions, you can say that and turn off all the comments on your videos. If you're sick of monetization/copyright administration tasks, you can say that you are going to take down your videos but leave them up on platforms that are less litigious. If you're scared of some content from the past haunting your future career, you can say that you've grown and want to curate your impact on the community. If you want to lock that content away as a future cash grab, I guess that's a bit tough to communicate without backlash.
Basically all of those options are what people who are tired but not burnt out would make, if they take their time and cared to take advice from their close ones.
As it seems, they were severely burnt out and made a rash and bad (as the response to it makes evident) decision. Which, well, it's their prerrogative.
Also, who can say that artists take the most rational decisions all the time?
Sorry, but being burnt out is no reason for making most of their videos private. You're making it sound like they both had a mental breakdown
Yep. Must have been gruelling. But why do we have to read this in a newspaper!?! 🥲
That’s why. There are no comments on newspapers. They can just avoid Reddit.
There's a comment section on basically everything on the NYT, including this article. You can even comment on the daily Wordle puzzle.
Indeed, but there are only 22 comments so far. I believe it’s a subscriber benefit, which may explain why there are so few.
their socials arent linked to the NYT article platform probably
they can choose to simply ignore the comments. like they are probably backing off from reddit and social media too
We can still comment on their social media, right? What bars me from penning an essay about my feelings about the NYT article right to their YT or Insta?
I think They did it the way they did it because they need to regain a bit of their lives back, make a refreshed start to their careers and lives. Packing up their old works, saying a simple thanks and goodbye , and leaving the fans the 6 upcoming videos as a gift is really pretty gracious, I think. If you look at all the angry demands for explanations and apologies they’ve been getting from so called fans, you can see why they felt the need to close up shop and move to something else.
Not sure. I get why they want out. But I don't think it's gracious to cull the chicken videos.
Most of their videos are still up on Facebook and Bilibili.
Bilibili is my saviour for films & series, but Twoset & Chicken & Youtube just belonged together. And Palchelbel's Chicken was such a nice video to link & share for christmas..
Uh, so you already have Bilibili but refuse to use it for TSV. That's like refusing to eat the steak because it should be served on a Gibson plate instead of the IKEA one.
well youtube as a platform is way more convenient if you're not in china or chinese
But since she knows how to use Bilibili, she can teach.her relatives how to use it too.
No, believe me, I can't "teach" people to click on some random chinese site they never heard of, when I just want to send them a christmas greet via whatsapp. And again: I don't want TSV pirated on Bilibili, I want the nromal channel approved & free & legal on Youtube. I'm glad when people actually use Whatsapp, especially older folks in Germany are totally against social media and messenger apps. >_<
What do you mean by "have" Bilibili? It's on the internet! I have means of accessing old TSV videos, but that's not what I want, I want the old youtube channel & it being connected to them & the vibe. Also, I like to share the chicken videos - I don't think anybody would click bilibili on their phone, I live in Germany & people are really choosy about which sites they deem trustworthy - basically, paranoid about data processing or whatever.
"Have" in the sense that you know how to access and use it, and obviously understand the benefits and risks associated with it. Every platform is accessible through the Internet.
I don't know how Facebook is viewed in Germany, but isn't it more favorably than Bilibili?
I only stream videos on Bilibili on my laptop. I haven't signed up or anything. I don't think Bilibili is well known in Germany, and won't talk about it to anyone, because Germany bans everything, we even got cut off from Project Gutenberg for copyright infringement on Thomas Mann!!
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My uncle lives in the Philippines, he is the only one I know, who actually still uses facebook. It's not really that popular in Germany anymore. I think I'm just really a youtube person.
Oh, yes, facebook would be more well known to Germans & less "scary" than Bilibili, but I'm not sure my people would click on a facebook link..
Facebook? Awesome! Amazing platform.
Wtf is Bilibili?
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Oh thats good news. A good ending and nothing really bad happened. Of course they need to stop some time. We wish them all the best.
I mean it still is a rebranding (sorta), they did say they will keep working together and that they might perform as B2TSM again since they don't want to waste all that, but guess bye bye to casual videos, oh well, whatever is best for their health, wish them the best and really hope to see more B2TSM in the future
Point of the article is to say : it's over. It's not a rebranding. They are just doing does few last videos, B2TSM as a farewell, that's it. They had indeed said in 2022 that B2TSM would come back, that's right now. And then it's done.
its not a rebranding. a rebranding would be to change their platform names to b2tsm and make youtube content as b2tsm which they arent doing. they are quitting youtube. its a retirement - or at least a very long break, who knows. they might change their minds in the future; their instagram post of "this is the last piece of content we are posting as twoset" doesnt legally binds them to anything lol they can just be like 'well hey we are Bach again'
no more excuses to not practice anymore... 🥲💔
am glad to finally have some closure on this, however bittersweet... wishing them the best. thanks for all the laughter, learning, and the fun!!
All I can say is good for them. They're finally putting themselves first. I've been watching TwoSet since I was 16. I'm 26 now. I learned how to play cello because of them. I'm deeply saddened to hear that they're officially quitting, but I'm happy that we are getting B2TSM videos as a goodbye. I'm happy that we're getting anything and I will forever cherish the memories I have created because of them.
Thank you for the last 11 years, Brett and Eddy. Thank you for everything you've done for us. Thank you for putting yourselves first.
Oh well, I wanted an explanation and I got it. I’m glad they didn’t fight and that both of them are ok. Honestly I can’t even imagine the burnout, and even if it hurt a little it’s clear why they chose to do it the way they did. It’s our turn to say goodbye and enjoy the videos ( or not, but don’t send hate )
Also this line? “Chen agreed. “I’m pretty useless in some areas of life without Brett,” he said.” Uuugh, fiction wishes it could write this friendships 😭
I know, I was just so happy the rumors about their friendship ending weren't true. Their relationship is so sweet!
"go practice" doesn't really sound convincing from the mouth of someone who had just literally burned out so spectacularly. don't go practice if you feel like it and take good care of yourself.
Or go practice the different sleep positions in bed. Try out different types of bed sheets & pillows and see which works best.
Yeah maybe take it down to 30 hours a day if 40 means you're gonna quit
I'm just glad that Brett and Eddy are still friends at the end of it all.
I'm still pissed they removed their videos.
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
That's amazing news!!! Thanks for letting me know
You're welcome! Hope you have a good 2025!
Anyone else confused by the somewhat sarcastic, cold, jaded feel of their quotes? It has to be because of the burnout, right? Or were they always just kind of like that and I never noticed?
They speak as if they despise their fans
If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube. They give an explanation which primarily stemmed from the worker exploitation allegations and many fans not giving them the benefit of doubt.
They have some bitterness towards the fans.
Yes. I wish them all the best, but I don't really feel like watching their "farewell" videos anymore, knowing how they feel about their fans...
If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube. They give an explanation which primarily stemmed from the worker exploitation allegations.
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YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream, where they explain their actions, it's on their YouTube.
They are so extra for their series of b2tsm farewell videos!
Nice ending lines:
To the fans disappointed by their decision, they offered a simple response.
“Go practice,” Yang said. “There are no excuses anymore.”
I do feel sad for them if the weight of pleasing the community became too big but still belive they could have addressed it and change their type of content if it is what they wanted to do...basically just be transparent honest..you are a famous person on internet lots of ppl especially young look up to you
They have been changing their content. That's why there's a podcast, why they made the Dhar Mann-style videos, they had violin charades with Davie504, Among Us Septet, Violin Olympics 2024, educational videos, etc. But they weren't getting that many views, even though people would say they want those types of videos.
They also got copystriked a lot. And they have to constantly chase after the social media algorithms to try and have their material show up on feeds. As the article said, even when they were in Japan, which was likely their vacation, they were still working. They never mentioned any health issues in the article, but we know Brett's worked himself into the hospital.
To be honest I haven't watched them since the era of the blackpink music video wich I did find hilarious!after that they stopped doing the charade I feel maybe I'm wrong idk...and the reacting of random classical video the reaction video were my favorite with all the meme that it brought 😂 mmmm interesting 😄 anyway no hate to them at all I will look into their new content and see for myself if I still want to be part of the community
All their recent content, except the Bach video has been privated. I'm not sure how caught up Bilibili is, but Facebook is over a year behind. I really liked the Violin Olympics 2024 episode too 😢
I still don't understand why they had to remove old content. Feels like a stupid decision here to stab the fans in the back.
How dose it hurt them to leave to content up? Why would they take it from the fans.
Its allright to want to end their career and move on, many youtubers have quite and retired, they should have learned from others and done it in a respectful way.
They dont have to explain to us why, or go into details, or make it too long. A simple goodbye video talking about the fact that they want to move on, and they'd rather not say why, but they're happy for the good times. That would have been enough.
A five minute video talking like humans and treating their fans with respect would be so much better then whatever this is.
This doesn't feel like a proper goodbye it feels like leaving someone a grand last goodbye message and blocking them, no proper conversation no chance to say goodbye back.
This doesn't feel like they did it for the fans, with them in mind. It feels like they did it for their own sake. It's angering and disappointing.
why are they not allowed to do things for their own sake? they don’t owe everything to the fans.
For their own sake- do THEY benefit? Who benefits? What's the point of removing videos?
they may not want all their videos to be in the public eye or on youtube since they have mentioned about stress coming from comments and viewers, and that’s totally ok. it’s their choice and their videos are still up on different platforms for you to watch.
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If you haven't seen their Dec. 21 livestream where they answered questions and explained their actions, it's on their YouTube.
Because it's about respect. They can do things for their own sake, but they should still respect their fans.
You wouldn't send a friend a goodbye message then ghost them.
While they're not friends with their fans, a relationship between fans and creators is still a relationship. And for many it can be very strong and Impactful.
Every relationship deserves respect, just like they deserve their fans to respect their wishes to move foward and be left along and have their privacy, their fans deserve the respect of having a proper goodbye and having what's important to them left intact.
As far as we know, leaving the videos up isn't harmful for them in any way. And even if they just can't stand them being up, the fans deserve for them to tell it to their face, with respect. Not disappear for 2 months and bearly say anything in a flipping new York times post.
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
They don't owe everything to the fans, but they owe a lot to them, and certainly enough to keep the old videos up
Someone quoted New York Times that this will be 1 of their farewell videos indeed. Sad. But do they think all their fans are subscribers of the newspaper?
It's said that they're under a lot of pressure ,I can well understand that. But when they roasted other artists and musicians, had they considered that it'd give unwanted pressure to those people too？
Respect their choice, yet find it weird.
The Strad will probably quote the New York Times.
I honestly think they kind of do now regret some of those roasts, which may be part of the reasons they deleted some of the videos.
Take the Alma Deutscher roast. Funny? Oh goodness, yes. Memeable? For years. Deserved? Not at all. In the end, that particular video, despite how great the comedy was out of it, was of a really bad target, came off as mean-spirited and really did nothing to encourage young talents to grow and in fact could have led to the opposite.
So yes, they have considered it, and now having been on both sides of the equation, it seems natural they've moved beyond it and see how that sort of negative comedy as something that encouraged toxic mindsets and isn't worthy of archiving.
Didn't they:
~Critique the popification of classical music mockingly?
~Roast dozens of fellow artists and musicians harshly and even sometimes cruelly ? Did they even thrive on it?Maybe their fans learn it from them.
They gave me the impression that we should take criticism good humouredly. So why are they so upset when they themselves are under scrutiny? Do not do others what you would not have them do to you.
I'm so confused. They aren't the 2 set I once knew.
Ngl some of their jokes feel kinda cruel and are of the sort where people will go “oh but it’s just a joke”.
No surprise that they can dish it but can’t take it.
Wow, this is a really smart insight, I agree with you
Guess they have been really stressed out by all the pressure and possibly some of the negativity from the public and they want to break away from Twoset.
So they are not "back as B²TSM, B²TSM is part of their farewell? *sob*
Well, at least we do not have excuses anymore...
I think the fans were not so much disappointed by their decision but instead of how they decided to do it. If this article were out on the same day they disappeared or if they announce their decision properly, it would not have that much of a backlash. At least fans will know, "ok they are going to step down from Twoset but we can expect a few more videos as part of their farewell."
'xactly. the way they went about it was weird and confusing
I have been watching them for many years, I’ve tuned in to their live concerts. I am not some teenaged fan I am a grown adult.
I want to push back against the people who say the fans are were for too much for a proper goodbye video, or are being too parasocial for being upset at this whole fiasco.
I think it is valid they are burnt out and exhausted and also emotionally tired from the online hate and the social media space that can be toxic. But the majority of people I see disappointed about how they are handling their farewell are genuine well meaning fans who are mostly quite young. They are completely allowed to end being twoset or rebrand or quit YouTube. However what I DO NOT agree with is how they have so far chosen how to say goodbye.
I see this interview as a last minute attempt at trying to clarify things a little after the awfully confusing way they chose to say goodbye. The right way to do it would have been to put up a video explaining why they are ending twoset and what was going to happen with the channel. Like other people have said the way they chose about to do things is like an ex breaking up over text. Sure we do not know them but as people who have supported them, given them an income and shown up to their concerts, is it a two way relationship between creators and audiences.
What makes me feel it is particularly disrespectful is the idea they still want fans to buy their merch even with this lackluster goodbye , they chose to go radio silent and even when a lot of people were visibly disappointed and distressed in this sub they chose to ignore that and continue designing merch new merch and having a big sale on their old merch store while still posting merch store posts pushing the sales.
I always thought Brett and eddy were nice guys and above treating their fanbase as cash cows. But now it really feels like all they care about is making an income out of their audience while disregarding how they feel. If they cared they would have issued a statement sooner, I find it hard to believe they or their team did not know how upset people were on here. Yet they chose to ignore it.
Rebranding the merch store and launching new products just as they are ending the whole channel feels too much of a cash grab to me. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and has forever changed how I view Brett and eddy. Yes I know twoset is ultimately a business but they created a community and have a responsibility to be decent custodians of that community.
I wish they ended this the proper way. With a proper statement and then the music videos after. It is sad what happened his has come to after listening and watching them for so many years. I hope they realise how badly they messed up now.
To all those who are saying this is asking for too much, I think you should reflect on why you think it is acceptable for content creators to treat their fanbase like they don’t matter. It is valid to feel like your support hasn’t counted for anything the way they have chosen to say goodbye.
I agree with you. I'm a grown adult in my mid 30s and not some young teenager as well. My opinion is that as celebrities, some accountability is due. The way they have treated their fanbase really tells a lot about their character. I was still hopeful and giving them the benefit of doubt that perhaps something happened that they are not allowed or unable to comment on that's why they went silent. Knowing the truth does provide a closure to the questions we have about their disappearance but it does not justify what they have done.
I saw this quote somewhere about chasing after celebrities and I totally agree, it is loosely translated:
The relationship between celebrity and fans are like between lovers: the party that invests more feeling than the other loses.
If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
I'm not much older than Brett and Eddy (who are in their early 30s themselves). If I quit my job out of the blue one day, deleted most of my work off my computer, and then sent my boss a DM on LinkedIn explaining that it'd been a wild ride but this was the last communication they'd be getting from me as an employee, I'd be torching my professional reputation. And then to do a newspaper interview after a month of radio silence pointing the finger at them for being too critical? Gentlemen...
I can imagine doomscrolling critical YouTube comments would hurt your feelings. But there's a proper way to go about these things.
100%
100%. What's particularly weird is how they made a video (April Fools?) joking about quitting YT, yet somehow couldn't make an actual goodbye/thank you video.
Am also confused about this supposed negativity. The TSV comment sections were, by far, some of the most positive I've ever seen on YT by far
Yes, exactly. The negative comments on their actual social media—YouTube, Instagram, Facebook (these are the ones I use; sorry, an old millennial here)—were probably less than 10%. Most people were actual fans and really nice. To add to that, I watched a video with them filmed in June during their tour in China—at the Yale Center Beijing. It was basically a discussion with a host and guests about different subjects, and one of the questions was exactly about negativity and negative comments. They spoke really eloquently, and one of the things Eddy said was: "It's so easy to focus on the vocal 10%, but sometimes it's nice to read the other comments that are actually positive—and they are the majority, 90% of the comments."
I think they probably got disappointed that even with their best efforts, they weren’t able to produce viral content anymore. And the current views were not enough to sustain the channel for much longer. Which is an absolutely valid reason for deciding to quit YouTube. I mean, 11 years and more than 1,500 videos—that’s a really, really huge amount of work. I also believe they got severely burned out by doing tours, videos, podcasts, and other projects. Adding to that the low views, they probably felt underappreciated and decided it was time to quit and take a much-needed break.
Judging by the article and the way they handled the whole situation, I feel like they might not be in the best headspace right now. I've watched not only their videos but also their interviews on other platforms, and I find it hard to reconcile their past behavior with their recent actions. Hopefully, they’ll get some much-needed rest and return in a different form.
One thing that puzzles me is that they signed with KD Schmid earlier this year as 'TwoSet Violin' for 'Orchestral Projects in North America and Europe,' as stated on the agency's Instagram account. They are still listed on the KD website, and there haven’t been any updates on the matter. Of course, contracts can be terminated, but that usually comes with a hefty price. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
Yes I think what is so upsetting is this is these are the last guys you would expect to do such a thing. You want to give them the benefit of the doubt. They seemed like really wholesome guys and I enjoyed their content over the years. I wish it ended on a better note and more responsibility.
This is exactly why they left, because they were tired of trying to be perfect for their fans.
Their imperfections are why we stayed. The lack of genuineness is why lots drifted off. They could have produced the most cringeworthy, most low quality jejune video, but as long as it was still them, it would have been ate up. But as they drifted off from fans, as they started getting more high quality and produced, they felt to be “too perfect”. We don’t want some utter perfect caricature, we just want their genuine selves.
Wow, I totally agree with you, thanks for sharing it!
This is how I feel, like they just broke up with us and that's it
If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
So it WAS something health related, just not in the way I thought.
Do I think they handled this well? No. However at the same time, burnouts are brutal. I‘ve had one and it is a complete nightmare. Decision making is definitely not what it should be.
Ultimately, I’m grateful for the entertainment they brought to me. I was definitely never the most dedicated fan, but I did have several much loved videos, which I watched over and over. I’m thankful they made those. I’m also grateful that Eddy was so honest about his stage fright. I have horrific stage fright and knowing his journey has helped me not give up on mine.
I wish them well on their path. I really hope they can do what they need for their mental health and find something that‘ll bring them joy.
If I had their toxic and needy fanbase I would quit too.
Something came to me. Is this what happens when two socially awkward people find common ground and avoid anything but comfort zone? Their farewell more "original" than any of their content? I feel they took the wrong or no advice and ran themselves into the ground.
Still doesn't explain them destroying their video archive.
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
Thanks for the info! I had completely disconnected from the community.
No problem! Hope you have a good 2025.
The B2TSM videos are so cringy and I always skipped the videos like that. Why not just post a 2 minute goodbye and thank you video instead of pulling the stunt they did. And you would think they would have just left the videos up to keep some of the cash flowing instead of cutting most of it off.
Most of their videos have been copystriked. Therefore it'd be the copystrikers getting the income. Most of their videos are still available on Facebook and Bilibili. Facebook actually has a few which were removed from YouTube.
what's your source for "most"? i'd go for "some" or "a good number" but most? and they even removed many of their original music videos, the all talking ones with nothing to copystrike (mukbang w Hilary!), games, the HH and Chloe Ling Ling challenge... nah, copystrike isn't the reason
I miss the 2set who made classical music fun;told me to practice and their passion in pursuing music.
I never like the roast episodes. I think musicians should help each other instead of roasting each other. It's a difficult journey in itself already.
After 6 weeks of worrying and grieving, I've kind of becoming numb to this MV and the NYT article. I can't relate much to them. I never like rap in the first place except duh duh duh dum.
Then I got an email from B2TSM merch, I feel even more numb after what has happened.
My first response is come on.
Gone are the 2 boys who had a pure passion for violin when they started off with nothing....Time to move on but somehow I can feel their bitterness.
If you haven't seen their Dec. 21 livestream where they answered questions and explained their actions, it's on their YouTube.
I'm no longer a LL40H follower or a TwoSet fan. Despite this, I read the article in full — and I'm grateful to learn that they are not separated as friends or something even more drastic — but the timing for this is really off. I agree that burning out is a very, very reasonable and valid feeling, and it's easy to understand why that could've pushed them to quit their Youtube channel, but the way they decided to quit was out of character for them.
After a month of simmering in confusion, anger, grief and so on, the fans who decried the abrupt end might find some degree of (late) closure, while the ones who didn't care anymore about the unfortunate drama that erupted post B&E leaving have moved on from everything TwoSet related.
Personally, I've been a bit of both — I wanted to have some degree of closure, and I am moving on, but still proud to have been a fan for some time — and I think that we have something important to learn from here.
"Go Practice."
"go practice. there are no excuses anymore." I CANT DO THIS SOEBRO3BOEDOEVEOEBEPDBEPEBEPWBPDVDORBRLD
I was hope for some sort of explanation but seem like there'll not be a scheduled video for that as they said "We don't want to post a trite video for explanation". Of course they also said that all B2TSM are theirs though that left for fan. And as I understand that their very based idea for 2Set was a fantasy place for everyone to enjoy classical music together and hope their disappearance does not corrupt it as this lingling reddit channel.
Oh well, I think I could miss here and there a few key point but this is what I understand and my demanded video for explanation (which will never come) had been proven. Though, I still appreciate our time together.
They had a livestream on Dec 21. The livestream is on their YouTube channel. They also restored all their YouTube videos.
I’m wondering if I’m the only slow one here - since when were they based in Singapore?!?!?!!?!?!!?? Should I like open my eyes to see if I’ll spot them around?! I always thought they were in Australia!
they've been based in Singapore for a loooong time now. dunno where they'll be now. i wonder if they've dissolved their company... can anyone say?
When they filmed from the room with the gray sound absorbing tiles or the white blinds, I think that was in Australia. When they set up the white cube shelves behind them, that was Singapore.
Like I know they film internationally but I didn’t realised they were based based here.
Man I just wish they'd un-private the other all the other videos
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.
I did see it, but thanks for letting me know
Okay, just making sure people knew.
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Why does the article call them Chen and yang?
This article by NPR explains it in good detail and also provides examples of exceptions. Basically, maintain journalistic objectivity.
Edit: TLDR for those who do not want to read the 4 min article.
im gonna sob vro /nm /hj okay i get it, they want to take a breat from social media, but i still miss their content..,, not that im mad , tho
ngl, it's kind of naive of them to do this, and it looks like a child throwing a tantrum if it's just because they were fatigued. I still believe that something happened that they disliked what the two sets had become and deleted all their history.
YouTube videos were restored by Dec 24. If you haven't seen their livestream on Dec 21, it's on their YouTube.