The most OP and loved role in the game and basically the most important role and the amount of int they get away with while having fun is crazy.
Nah you ain't Faker/Chovy, let's put that mid Irelia away and get to stepping big dog. Let's take it back to something far more simple for yourself.
I no longer say it is the junglers fault. I squarely blame all mid laners for all losses moving forward.
I’ve stopped blaming my team mates and instead started blaming their parents
Some of us should have been swallowed.
THIS is some competitive hating, man
The parents of toxic players should definitely be blamed for poor parenting and being bad parents in general. Perhaps they're dysfunctional families with no time for parenting, no education, and a low level of culture.
No joke, by the way, this is true.
I just wanted to remind toxic players what it looks like.
School bullies are always kids from dysfunctional families, even if those families are wealthy. It works exactly the same here.
Don't be afraid to mix things up and blame the enemy team. You guys are playing excellently, they're just playing better.
Nah that won't work, can't praise the enemy team man.
The more people are willing to learn there is someone with less of a life than them, the better.
nah nah nah bro, don’t get it confused. you’re not praising them, you’re blaming them for playing better than you and your team.
Ohhhhhh shit, better! Thank you fam.
They are the enemy. I am not Thorfin. I have lots of enemies. 9 of them in every game (sometimes 10).
Nah, I often praise individuals on the enemy team while flaming others. The whole point of the game is to sow discourse that their team self destructs raging at each other before your team does.
Single out their worst player and hype him up every time your teammates fail to secure the kill till they start looking at him like he might be Ye Qiu from TKA make sure to point out every time their star player dies or fails to take you out. I guarantee a full tilt by minute 15 by one of them and if it is the star they are going to feed themselves to your first tower until they get kicked.
I haven't thought about this angle before. I will try it out and let you know the results.
Honestly a healthy mindset. Sometimes everyone on your team is doing fine
the other team just executed better. Blaming them instead of your teammates is peak mental.
This is why "x diff" is universally good. It praises the enemy team and flames your own at the same time. Two birds one stone.
Kill em with kindness
this is the healthiest mindset. Sometimes you didn't even play badly, the other team just had better coordination or hit their win condition faster.
Like yeah sometimes your mid is running it down on Irelia (and at 99.8% BORK dependency she's basically useless if she falls behind), but sometimes the enemy mid is just having the game of their life and there's not much you can do about it. Blaming your own team every game is exhausting
They aren't playing better than me, they're cheating. Clearly.
As a jungler, why are assassin midlanders always incredibly toxic aswell?😭
Easy to get kills/kill steals, makes them feel like they are carrying all the time even when the 15/7 Zed is going 1 for 1 with the 0/12 nami
As a squishy support lover this is one of the worst best feelings.
I am dead whatever I do but we will win as long as I don’t crash out over being dead.
I always just enjoy it. Entire team jumps me. I die. They get aced. Since I was support we grab dragon. I just to just chill, check out the shop.
It also feels so bad the other way. 18/8/2 fizz jumps in and dies for their support while our top is splitting and theirs is at the obj. Jungler goes and farms his wolves while they take drag. While you just sit there, watch them take drag with their vision. Realize you have a winning top, winning mid. They have 3 drags, grubs, herald and atakan.
Just play assassin as supports and kill each other
People who play assassins are the people who do bare minimum at work and expect a bonus & a promotion.
Like sure killing enemy enchanter is something but killing the enemy carry/splitpusher let's everyone else do their jobs as well.
So many people would rather their team lose than have to play like they're behind when they're behind.
The beauty of a 3 minute "ff15" call, cause 1 person got solo killed once from a gank.
So it's "jungle diff, why did my jungler never path to my lane at 3 mins, gg ff"
If anyone reading this finds themselves in this predicament, you need a solid break.
I never gank top if they ping before 4mins..
Gotta love when the Kassadin who's strong enough to instakill the enemy team's Jinx wastes Flash + 5 stack ult on the Janna, doesn't hit W so he's completely OOM, and then blames his team when they lose the teamfight anyway.
It's the same for all carry champs, if they aren't the single reason for their team winning they'd rather lose (they'll still throw slurs at their adc and top when they're 0/5 in 10mins)
Someone who is 1/3 spamming ff while the rest of the team is like 15 kills up is the most annoying thing on league to me.
That person will find a way to lose the game without fail
And then, without a shred of irony, tell his friends that the dog teams held him back again and that its unplayable and impossible to climb in whatever elos hes in.
just had a game like this with a draven lol he was like “you’re all inting” while the score was 11 to 5 (we all died once). muted him after and then i assume he kept spamming ff bc top and jg were strongest and he wasn’t the main character
This is one of the reasons why I quit playing league. Too many people want to be the carry and if they are not carrying than they do everything in their power to make the team lose even when the team is ahead. Afterwards they start blaming teammates for not being able to climb and they are hardstuck when it is their ego and inability to admit that they sometimes need to be a baby in some games and allow other people to carry them is holding them back from climbing.
FTFY. I've met supports more toxic then a kassadin main.
Autofilled or Pyke mains. Or similar type of "support" but actually just "carry without having to cs" main character syndromes that Riot catered to to get support away from least played role.
enchanter players can be giga toxic too, ive met so many super toxic janna or soraka players which is somewhat ironic lmao
only people that are almost never toxic in my experience are tank support enjoyers
Its because they rely more than anyone on the rest of the team not sucking
Man the amount of times my topside is crushing but my 0-2 botlane continues and continues to fight and die is insane. Carries gotta carry or something like that
A fed ADC means jack shit unless the solo laner turbo inted. The two to three levels a solo laner should have on the ADC is more valuable than the gold difference.
It's more the type of champion that attracts toxicity rather than the role. Players who love glory will choose flashy champions or champions that do a lot of damage. That's why assassins and marksmen have a lot of toxic players, along with champions like Lee Sin and Riven. Melee adcs get even worse because of their even higher damage ceilings like Master Yi. Yasuo is the most infamous because he's a melee ADC who is also flashy and mechanically difficult.
People don't realize assassins wait for the right moment to strike, not rush in and hope skill saves them.
It's a patience role played by impatient people.
Mid lane Yas complaining no one gives him knock ups so he can carry and not go negative, blames jungler that has no knock ups
They're playing for frags instead of the team, as soon as their personal game is not going well they'll have a meltdown.
attracts a specific type of person.
1v9 git good scrub people with poor emotional regulation want to play 1v9 git good scrub champions lol
and i'll point the finger back, enchanters attract malignant narcissists with savior complexes lol. sometimes character archetypes are appealing to someone that takes their qualities to an extreme.
I saved you from a Caitlyn ult, you now owe me your first born child.
Because when you're behind on an assassin, you're straight up not playing the game. It's the most miserable position you can be in in this game. Players feel like shit and (misguidedly) lash out at anyone they can.
assassins as a classtend to be on the feast of famine side, and a 0/6 assassin usually cant contribute much
but maybe if their jungler had ganked 2 times they'd instead be 6/0 so they are now mad
(this is speculation no clue if there is any correlation between feast and famine and raging)
I mean Riven was top of the charts for going AFK for a long time, so that's one point in favour of the feast/famine = raging hypothesis
Yeah, that's exactly it. When the difference between stomping and being a melee minion is one gank, it's pretty difficult to not get salty even if you understand that your jungler doesn't owe you anything. It's not only the case for assassins, Draven works the same way and also makes his playerbase more toxic than average.
Its because there is a specific type of player that plays assassins. No I'm not going to elaborate because we should all have an idea of what this means.
Cuz their champions are volatile. One gank from the enemy team can ruin the game, and a good gank from your team can snowball. So once you get behind you are just perma useless so you get frustarted. That's why when I jg I try to gank the volatile lanes first. If I help them out and they get a kill and they snowball that's great, if they can't, well riot destined me to lose anyways with these dog teammates.
I played mid malzahar for a while, did nothing levels 1-5, got outroamed while afk csing and would watch jungler get blamed for "jg diff" when it was 99% my fault due to having no prio. I'd obviously scale and do fine but players have no clue why things are happening.
Decent players would know that Malz is about as useful as a wet sock pre-6, not your fault. Also, it would be silly to blame the enemy Malz for having a mobile mid like Akshan etc. outroam you. Of course once you get enough levels/items to perma push it you have more agency and thus more responsibility as well.
I agree but the jungler should not get blamed when he's getting 2v1 invaded by said Akshan lol.
I never said it not being your fault means that it is therefore the junglers fault. However, I would argue that junglers do also have some responsibility to play around the fact that the enemy mid-jung duo is much stronger early and more mobile. So if jung goes for cocky plays and gets punished, it is kinda their fault.
Agreed, it’s a nuance, as a jungler you gotta play with more caution when your lanes are slammed
Sometimes "playing around that fact" boils down to going afk or dying though
You're making so many assumptions about the jungler here. If enemy has perma prio, then it doesn't matter how safe a jungler plays, they're going to get 2v1 invaded then the game is lost anyways.
Like,the original comment in the chain is neutral, because the situation is neutral. It's not really anybody's fault once we've moved on from champ select, (and we could argue that whoever picked second needed to pick around the possibilities of this situation, but expecting SoloQ to bend their picks is silly), so what's the point of going out of your way to say "ah no but it could still be the jungler's fault" when the situation is completely neutral without more info.
Like you say "I never said it not being your fault means that it is therefore the junglers fault", but the other 90% of the comment is constantly trying to shift blame on to the jungler somehow.
With that being said, I would say your analysis of why it "could" be the jungler's fault sucks anyways. If anything, a jungler with a perma losing mid's job is to offset by adding his pressure to mid lane, so that the whole map doesn't lose because the jungle is perma 2v1. Applying pressure to the lane that has perma pressure is a textbook way to deter them from having that constant pressure. If jungler shows they're willing to gank mid, mid can't push nearly as much even if their matchup lets them. It's the same way pros play around bot except since it's midlane, you don't have to int your clear or force vertical jungling to drive by midlane moving through your jungle
Laners ego of "doing well" in lane means every objective failure is junglers fault are pain in the ass. Team gap occurs when enemy are better at sacking their lane for the early grubs and dragon but junglers are expected to win objectives because laners idea of objective battle solely comes from jungler with the better hand.
It's sad that blame the jungler disease are still rampant ever since league old days
I mean your jg should’ve just abdicated camps atp. Out csing and taking plates is malzahars thing. Legit just let the enemy roam, ping, and if your team dies it’s on them unless the fight was a 5 second max walk down river and your team had a numbers advantage. Malz can’t do anything pre 6 either. Some people jsut can’t play around alternative playstyles and that’s on them
I feel like junglers and mid laners have to play in tandem a bit. So many junglers expect so much from their mid who's in a counter matchup with no prior, and vice versa so many mid laners think it's acceptable to never leave their lane when they have prio and it's so frustrating.
I think league is just a hard game and so many people are used to offloading everything they do wrong to "jungle diff" that people don't even realize how many things individually they're doing wrong.
I feel like there is a difference between having no prio, and straight up refusing to play.
Then there is kassadin who needs a rework due to how midlane is designed rn. Automatically losing the jungle march up because your mid picks kassadin is just not fun at all.
Yes mid and jg playing together is OP and my game plan every game.
HAHA as a midlaner, i don't how we get away with being ass. Jungler loses a coinflip smite and the whole team is screaming. When i go 0/10 yasuo, team gets hyped for the power spike.
The things that annoy me the most are
1) midlaner last picks ad mid without hovering in champ select, making the team all ad against champions who can stack armor.
2) midlaner has so little ability to contest wave and move, that enemy mid gets to run around, functionally as a second jungler.
Honestly, those are worse than my sylas dying 4x by 10 min or whatever.
Had a game where the enemy team mid lane locked in yasuo as a last pick despite the fact that:
They're full AD
We have a malphite locked in already
They have no knockup for Yasuo ult.
The game was over in 20 minutes lol
I hate it when they don't hover their champ now I'm left confused "should I go ap or ad" I go AD they go AD, Steel caps stocks go up, enemy team locks Malphite.
Oh god yes.
Our first 2 picks were Briar and Darius, and the other jungler picks Rammus. Out undeclared mid snaps off Yone and ends the game 3/17/2.
Thats just Solo laners in low to "skilled elo aka diamond". 0 attention to any draft. As a jungler i usually try to first pick so my team can get better match ups, and whenever I pick ap junglers you can bet your ass my team will try their hardest to actually grief me by pick ap sup and mid and then wondering why our team is giga fucked once the enemy has built just a hint of MR.
Also solo laners picking champs with 0 wave clear and wondering why I cant do any objectives. No shit your Kayle and Kassa picks made me bleed out the game slowly and I couldnt contest a single objective because enemy has perma prio. gg wp jungle diff I guess.
Jungle seems impactful because the team who pays less attention just loses to any decent jungler. If people would have an ounce of map awareness and knew timings. jungle wouldnt have nearly the impact it now has.
Playing on KR server back when I lived in Japan was by far the best expierence I ever had. So much better compared to anything on EUW and NA.
Every time I get Kassadin mid, and a bad jungle matchup, I die inside.
Gg Kassadin is a troll pick in his own role
From midlane perspective the same shit happens too
We have AP top and mid with no jungle hover and then they go Evelyn or Sylas or some shit last pick
And honestly some mid matchups or champs are just going to be like that. As the midlaner it can be super frustrating when junglers expect every single champ you play in any matchup to always have push in lane, always be able to roam and help with objectives, or follow the opposing laner if they roam. If I'm an immobile mage and the enemy assassin starts roaming I might just die if I follow and they turn on me, best I can do is ping it and stay mid to ensure they lose as much and I gain as much gold as possible from it. More junglers need to understand when their mid is weak and when they're strong and play around it with their macro decisions. Your midlaner isn't coming to fight every single dragon because they know it's worse to fight and lose than not fight at all, and they'll be stronger later especially if they don't feed kills by taking unnecessary fights
If jungle takes last pick they are already trolling lol
Better PR.
We had an ASS kalista one game, top said we would be fine when she hit the 8th death power spike.
Kalista went from 1-8 to 9-12. I think top was some kind of oracle.
Well we top laners are of high intelligence...
Collecting that juicy shutdown on the enemy mid is what’s hyping us for the most part
Coincidentally, I've seen many junglers use smite on stupid stuff like chickens right before the objective is coming up.
I mean gold becomes irrelevant if you stall the game, some objectives tho...
Funny how objectives are always the junglers responsebility and not a team effort. (Jungle main here)
I agree.
My BIGGEST issue is solo laners randomly forcing dragon/herald when I'm across the map and then blaming me for not wanting to sprint my ass from Narnia to coinflip the objective.
Had multiple top laners forces major objectives by themselves when we did not have vision in chokepoints or any idea of where the enemy team is..
My biggest issue is losing grubs due to either enemy midlaner roaming OR enemy support sacking their lane for grubs, but you still got pinged for not contesting when your support is at bot lane sitting afk at the bush
i mean that's league's fault. you basically created the golden snitch catcher role and tell everyone through design "hey, this guy is the sole person that is needed for every objective" because they are the only ones that are reasonably roaming early and have the "this wins objectives" button that other lanes can't pick unless you wanna get reported.
people are naturally gonna blame them, the game tells them to.
The jungler is the only one who can take them. People think they're doing what they need to to provide an opportunity to take an objective, and they get frustrated when they don't see the jungler going for them.
I blame myself for choosing to love this game
As a frequently useless Irelia mid this post is true
Me too girlie
I ❤️ when midlaners ward their left side river so I can ward my top tri and we get full river coverage and I can play like an aggressive animal. Truly an advance strategy.
To be fair every role seems to have one type of player that COMPLETELY misunderstands the role and somehow just keeps playing for 5-10 YEARS on end. Junglers that have zero map awareness for whatever reason while being one of the two roles that least need to constantly be hands-on. Toplaners that forget the TP they keep taking every game isn't just for when they lose a 1 v 1 multiple times in a row and keep teleporting to their own lane as every obj is lost. Midlaners that play assassins somehow forget that killing that 0-6 millio as the 9-1 Jinx rails your entire team is completely useless. Ad players that think going 2-1-3 in a 40 minute game means they "did nothing wrong" and that scaling would eventually get them a win. Finally, supports that seem to think that in the large and in charge 2025 we're still meant to be sitting botlane for 30 minutes before moving.
Imma be real, every single game the enemy mid wards my raptors and helps their jungler fight for prio while my mid sits afk under tower….every single game lol
I was 2/0/2 diana jungle. Got 2 kills bot and 2 assists top. My mid lane Panth was 0/6/0 in 8 mins and said gg jung gap go next and flamed for 5 mins before he went afk.
Truly unreal. It’s never your own fault. It’s always the junglers fault. 🤣
Probably right. I play mid and all higher ranks friends say i giga grief my games by being passive on the map.
What is your and their elo?
I am silver ( since a month) and they are emerald-diamond.
In that case you constantly play against opponents that are higher than silver if you queue with them. Hard to be aggressive against better players.
In lane for sure but i could walk to a dragon .
Wait you don't even go to objectives ? You're THE objective guy after Junglers
As a low master (tbf mid) i would preffere you being passiv in those flex games rather than going 0/10 but thats just me
What if he went 5/5
why did I laugh
Naw, bro. You gotta blame the Top laners. They've had it too good for too long.
W, always useless, they don't ping when their assassins roam top, they don't come for grubs, cook them my goat.
I've noticed you're more likely to have your support roam for grubs than your mid laner move from mid lane.
Because for supports its a fairly standard roam whereas mid laners are only really supposed to go in case of a contest. Mid's job is usually to make sure that they can get there first, not actually be there.
What? Being there first is goated, it means the enemy has to walk in to you. That doesnt mean hit the grubs but yknow be near the banana bush. It gives so much control.
My jungler buddy goes 0/4, and every lane starts screaming about jungle diff, reported ff15. The enemy team gets in on the flaming when he rages.
I go 0/4 in mid, and my bot laner just tells me to lock in, and they carry the game themselves while I continue to feed, leaving the game with multiple honors.
Give your mid laners more hate. They probably deserve it.
sorry mate, i duo with my mid, even when he ints, it's our junglers fault
It hasn't been the most OP role in the game in a while.
But it's also insanely easy to int from it.
As a longtime mid main its become a teletubby role. Most meta interactions/matchups are just pingponging the wave till one of the bot towers fall and then going side while both bots mid. You can try proactive plays mid but youre way more limited that you used to be because supports are perma roaming and default open mid from from base a lot of time, so its extremely common that when you look for proactive plays you get like 3 global ults on your head when you step past the middle of the lane. Roaming to sides also is a lot harder because of changes to minions and wave timers over the years, only a few champs rly do it anymore and in general you lose a lot if you get nothing from the roam so its generally just not worth it over guaranteed mid farm.
The main thing you have game to game (at least during laning phase) is being able to play with your jg in river skirmishes and light invades, but that depends on him having a brain and understanding mid prio and matchups.
Still a good role (mainly because of its position on the map) but its a SHADOW of its former self yea.
What you are describing is the case when players are approximately equal skill level but mid lane is still very much capable of snowballing. Your whole comment makes it seem like that's improbable or even impossible a lot of the time when that is not even close to being true.
Of course you can still carry through mid or ANY role, in silver gold plat emerald etc its not hard to be massively better than the players around you because you have so much overhead to improve at the game and outperform the enemy. My frame of reverence for what i was talking about was higher skill brackets where you both dont have as much overhead to outperform the enemy (so yes more equal skill level) AND have the enemy supp and jungle able to be consistently in the area ready to counter proactive plays. Even in emerald or diamond you start getting a small taste of it and its just incredibly stale to play and a common sentiment ive heard from many people playing the role in high skill brackets. So many lanes these days you are nearly forced into a state of handshaking waves by either the enemy champion choice, support hovering etc and from having played the role for over 10 years its used to be way more interesting than what its become. There have been so many metas in the past that encouraged more lane interaction and proactive plays, but due to a lot of what i mention above, as well as people just generally being better at the game than in the past, its just a very stale lane compared to how it used to be.
And again im not saying you cant improve, win and stomp games through mid even in GM+ etc, its just the process of playing these games and doing that improving feels so much worse than in the past because of the staleness i mentioned and it only gets worse the higher you go from what ive seen from talking with a few of my Chall friends, people just constantly picking extremely safe and neutral picks like ori, syndra, ryze, viktor etc. You CAN pick something like akali, kat, akshan and do well, but still most of the top picks you will be facing are champs looking to spam clear the wave and not really interact with you at all. It used to be the norm years ago when champs like zed, talon, ekko, qiyana etc were are all pretty prevalent mid and are champs that would look to interact but riot has struggled to keep a lot of assassins super playable mid, instead hamfisting a lot of them into/balancing them around jungle and what youre left with are a ton of super high pickrate low interactivity mages with the odd kat or akali player, or sylas counterpick.
The role is not even weak, its likely 3rd after Jg and Supp in high elo and 2nd in lower elos after Jg, it just is so gooddam boring to play compared to what it used to be, with your hands pretty tied in a lot of situations and a lot of handshaking waves. At least top and bot people actually still look to fight these days and not sit back and E the wave as viktor for 15 minutes. The meta for ex with adcs is kaisa, yunara, MF, jhin, trist, cait etc, champs that can and will look to fight early.
Are you the Teemo top from my recent game?
Was playing Brand mid, 0/0/2 until I tried to join a 3v3 at void grubs. Just as I got into the fight the Teemo dipped into their jg with full health for some reason and our jg got chased up the river by their top, leaving me with a 1v2 against enemy jg and mid. I got off my ult and a full rotation to chunk em pretty hard but died as our jg also died to their top. Our Teemo then blames me, “mid noob just fed their top gg just ff”. I look at the scoreboard, I’m 0/1/2 with my death being to their jg, our jg is 2/1/2, Teemo is 2/4/0, and their top is 4/1/1. Yeah, I think me feeding enemy top is the problem here 🤣.
We also won the game pretty easily and I finished like 6/2/13 yet Teemo doubled down on me being terrible (also said a lot of things about our jungler) and that he carried…he had the worst KDA on the team by far and did the least amount of damage to enemy champs except for our supp…
Midlane most op and most important role? lol, sounds like someone died to a katarina roam i pinged 30 seconds in advance
It is honestly whichever lane is being given priority in draft. It sucks when you (jungler) pick 1st-3rd to give solo lanes a chance to counter/fill out team comp and they just pick whatever they were hovering regardless of what the enemy team picked. Or they hover something all draft, you pick around supporting them/team comp and they switch to something that self-counters.
Yesterday I lost a game at scuttle.
Both midlaners moved in neutral lane state. My botlane (Cait Zyra) were fully pushed in, almost full hp, and did not rotate. Zyra channelled recall.
The enemy support (lux) walked over and the enemy midlaner got 2 kills. We had already killed the enemy jungler, and were about to kill the enemy midlaner. Instead he got 2 kills and double buffs.
I tilted out of my mind and practically inted twice out of frustration. Then I carried the game just to spite that Zyra.
When Cait and I ended the game, after miraculously winning a 2v4 at 44 minutes, Zyra typed "you're welcome jungle and top." She ended the game with 14 deaths, 29% kp, and 40% lower vision score than Lux.
Jungle is not for the faint of heart. Everyone hates you and it's all your fault. When the sun explodes in 5 years, it will be due to Jungle diff.
I am going to become the Joker.
Heaven forbid u blame urself lol
Man if the enemy mid shows up to drag or grubs and my mid hasn’t moved.. I fucking hate you, man. I hate you so goddamn much.
Yes, jungler moves towards drake, sees mid has 2 waves under their tower and bot is full OOM with half health. TIME FOR DRAKE BOIS.
Or the jungler did the right move, backed away but the laners still typed all chat "gg JG Diff 0 objectives"
Exactly. I’m being blamed for lack of objectives when we have no prio anywhere.
Play whatever allows you to kill all of the minions in your lane without letting them get to your tower. They're the real enemy in the game.
Can't do jack shit without a wave of minions.
Kills matter, but CS matters more.
A wave of minions does almost as much DPS as a tower.
Minions likely do the vast majority of damage in a game.
Blame the enemy minions. They're what's really screwing you over.
As a jungle main getting games where I'm perma hunted by jg+mid+supp, thank you. I blame the support more, but having negative prio mid is almost as bad
plot twist, OP is a jungler.
Ik it's a joke, but there's no way mid is the "most OP and important role" 😭😭
Usually by 3rd min, you will know if your opposite is better and adjust accordingly.
Mid is not the most important lane since roaming as support became meta.
You can do shit on mid if you are under constant pressure from enemy jungler and sjpoort
It's almost always an enormous bot difference that decides every game.
One will have a 14-3 Jinx and 1/4/16 Lulu and the other will have 3/9/3 Draven and 0/9/6 Blitzcrank.
Which one received ganks from mid though? We both know the answer
9/10 the botlane dies 2v3 by a jg gank or a 2v2 due to misplay and it kinda snowballs from there. Botlane is mostly decided before midlaners are really able to roam effectively. Literally all it takes for an 0/18 botlane is either a dogshit ADC or a dogshit support
Most of the time neither, I'd say, though it depends on who is playing what champions. I find that roams from mid lane in the current meta are also usually not too decisive.
This isn't some degen assassin meta where every game has a Talon or Kat or whatever dumb bullshit that just chooses not to lane and coinflips bot lane instead starting at level 3. Matchups tend to be mage lanes who generally either have bad to mediocre roams or at the very least need level 6 and Lost Chapter to really unlock them on the map, at which point any significant bot gap is likely to have already materialized.
If the game was balanced, bot lane would have twice the impact of the other roles. This is obviously not the case, because morons like you think when 40% of the team decides 30% of games it's overpowered and complain on reddit
Even riot will admit that in apex tier, support is as broken as jungle. It's only weak overall bc low elo supports are f tier at roaming.
Hes not saying the role is overpowered hes saying its always a huge difference between one botlane and the opposite botlane. Meaning its rare to see a laning phase end with an equally strong botlane.
Nice try propaganda from the jungle from a jungler
Put orianna, taliyah, Azir away dawg stick to Veigar, Annie and co.
Then when the mid lane die doing roams and the enemy mid lane is ahead in levels and gold and they always lose in clash due to that mid diff i guess.
ok but can we talk about how lobotomized veigar mid players are? like they won't move from lane, run out of mana every 3 minute, never ward or even think about ganks, and somehow they're in every elo
No no keep flaming your jungler we enjoy it secretly
Not much worse than a midlaner that parks themselves mid on something like ahri and watches Katarina roam over and over and over.
Aha! At long last people are finally realizing that mid lane really has gone to shit without me, a random gold one trick.
Have you tried blaming Canada?
just blame both?
The amount of Elo you can climb by playing a utility mid laner (Galio/liss/Cho etc) is kinda crazy. I'd say most mid Lamers could add 200lp from that alone.
taking accountability for your play slowrun any%
I think more than anything the later picks on teams, especially in lower elo need to be more realistic with their choices. If your team is all early game fighters, as are theirs, maybe don't go a non-interactive early game jungler. The same goes with laners who want to scale but the jungler falls off later. Take more consideration into your picks and it pays off a lot more than people realize.
As a jungler, seeing an afk farming mid laner is so frustrating.
Especially ones that can roam really easily.
I'll ping them to help but it goes to deaf ears. Their lane would be pushed into the enemy tower, have full hp mp, and still just recall to shop and go back to afk farming instead of just joining in bot drag or something.
It's even worse when the enemy mid laner roams as well. Like at least take the tower. I've had midlaners be behind CS and lose tower and never leave lane yet the enemy mid laner will win lane cs and tower and still make time to gank.
even though I play adc, I've spent a while banning Sylas in ranked just so my mid cant int him
Every enemy Sylas gets so insanely fed so quickly
i too blame the mid laner (i am the mid laner)
I always wanted to learn how to play jungle but I am scared to receive all the blame 😂 that’s why I am support 🧍🏻♂️ I can lie and say it’s adc’s fault
It's the most int inducing role in the game because not only you could be counter picked easily you also have to deal with some of the most obnoxious champs in the game lmao.
Mid and jungle have to coordinate almost as well as to bot and support. Most people haven't realized this yet and blame the jungle since it doesn't fit the typical 'carry' archetype, which parallels bot blaming their supports, when it might be mid's fault or just bad coordination on both roles.
No do what I do and tell anyone who flames you to christbenwa themself
You shouldn't blame mid laners because there might be a human behind the screen. With junglers you don't have to take that into account because junglers aren't human.
I blame support the most as jungler lmao
I’m a top laner and my duo only plays jg. It’s always been the mid laners. So many games where enemy mid invades with jg 17x while my mid “farms” and takes no plates and still ends up behind on CS. It’s rarely jg dif to be honest, at least where I reside in pisslo.
Put the fries in the bag and lock in a control mage. Clear your waves and follow your jg like a good boy
When my ass is getting 4 man dove as an ADC and I look mid to find my fucking morgana not even pushing the wave.
My favorite is mages losing 1-3 and then the enemy katarina invades my ass on raptors.
on gromp, i'm getting racially motivated against these m*d laners lately.
Midlaners are so bad especially with random roams to botside that for majority of playerbase they would be better off just afking and clearing cs not doing anything else.
Same with supports randomly leaving adc for like 5+min
I dont know if its me buying into the abuse after years but a lot of times after reviewing the game in my mind I do realize why as a jungler I made someone upset and I kinda was asking for it, what I would love for the community to realize (I have played from bronze to masters in 15 years and nothing really changes) is that we have a very tough role ahead of us and inevitably someone will be left out sometimes, I am also a firm believer of the notion that if a jungler succeeds every single gank they attempted for 15 minutes and they have over 10 kills, that 99% of the times the laners fucked up and not your jungler, ganks are not supposed to always work.
Midlaners I would say are the least to blame out of everyone and they try the hardest to win in my experience, all roles have people trying to play difficult champions or first time them (the yasuos the vaynes the fioras the nidalees etc etc etc) and all roles grief, my experience is that midlaners have the strongest mental adc's the weakest and supports are the biggest flamers. but below grandmaster, we all suck brothers.
I only blame supports. I die 1v1 2 minutes into the match?
"Wtf Sona!" ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -You can no longer send pings-
As a main mid TF. I ironically support lanes more than jng. Solo and jng feed more than food banks imho.
Junglers have more net influence usually, but it varies
Mid diff is jgl diff and jgl diff is mid diff.
As a jungler, being pressured by enemy jungle mid duo while my mid is beating his meat under tower for some reason and then hearing "duh I was playing 1v2, you didn't help" usually means that it's my last game of the day otherwise I will break smth.
Which is why I usually play one game a day at most
My mid laner hasn't MIA pinged once, I cant believe my jungler would do this.
Like the amount of times my midlander died 1v1 while I was clearing my 2nd or 3rd camp and after that they don't understand why the enemy mid is fed... Oh yeah, jg didn't came babysit me... My fault I guess
There is no way you think mid lane has anywhere near the powerlevel of jungle or support... Midlane is literally the playground of those roles. The lane is decieded by which sides support runs there first.
Have you tried looking inward instead of blaming others?
What if it’s your fault all the time ??
And that is usually correct, a losing mid almost guarantees a losing jungle. 90% of times, a jungle player getting "out jungled" is because they can't fight for any camps/objectives b/c their mid is completely gapped and can't 2v2 skirmish at all.
As a jungler "we can take it"
Also as a jungler "please don't back when I'm taking dragon you damn fool"
As a jungler, mid lane is my most important teammate. Them being able to provide pressure around the map from mid and walk over to objectives is so crucial.
I don't mind mid irealia or feeding mid or wtv. Just please rotate when I ping. I don't care if you miss a whole wave.
Don't worry man its just you
Meh I would say that jungle is definitely the role where you feel a moderate skill difference the most. Just a game where your mid is completely gapped and gets solo killed on cooldown is unplayable.
72 cs Fizz at 22 minutes, but he's 7-5-0 so he thinks he's carrying 🤓
Hell no jgers will roam everywhere else except for mid the get mad at mid for not helping them out like help me help you so many times I just need a poke or a free kill is set up and I ping it again and again and they never come. I got flamed in mid cuz I said our jg was garbage (no gank + stolen drag) then at the end of the match jg had more kills but less damage than me 😑 half of jgers dunno how to jg I swear and yes im in bronze LMaoooooo
See this is why I play mid Asol. I play a scaling lane a largely play safe with. Then I can play safe enough where if the opposing midlander gets fed, it’s more often because my team is failing to survive ganks or listen to pings 😎. Not that I’m claiming to okay perfect, but I do just enjoy playing a scaling champ
Blame the person having fun, sure, but they won't hear you with all the fun they're having lol.
As a JG main, the thing that pisses me off the most is then the mid/top manages to drop themselves to 1/4 hp before first clear is even done and get pissed when I don't throw the early game to bail them out. There's a time and a place, but at least let me get double buff first. I promise they won't regen to full hp in that 20 seconds.
Even Faker and Chovy have played Annie, no?
I blame my adcs.
Those fuckers poisoned the well and shot up a mall
Nah blame support no wards
As a former jungle main - the game is SO much easier if y'all actually knew how jungle works, because I'm on fckin win streaks just because one guy (me) actually fckin assists in objectives.
I was made to play mid and I tried to explain that I couldn’t and we would lose and predictably I fed aurora as Akshan and at the end everybody was sad and blaming themselves when it was MEEE😭 like bruh mid is so much more important than people make it out to be. They’ll question bot lane or jungle before looking at a fed veigar and wondering where his kills came from
The best thing to do is just say "sorry about your mid" when you know they're duo'd or 5 stacked. It works wonders
This is a mistake. You got to be flexible around the one true Maxim: it's never my fault.
Sometimes it's even Riot's fault. Or the moons. Just not my fault :)
The midlaner special: pick a lane dominant assassin, have zero prio for 20 minutes, watch the enemy hwei/oriana roam to every objective, and then type "jgl gap" when we lose the 2nd dragon. it’s truly an art form at this point.
as a jungle main, this post is the first time i've felt seen in years. i can’t wait for my 0/4 irelia to ping my smite while she’s getting out-roamed by a malphite mid. welcome to the enlightened side, brother.
Thats nice. But this game is Top focused and it will only get worse in 2026.
Always focus top, if your top thrives, game is won.
Thats why im always happy so see stuff like malzahar in the mid lane as jungler, there isnt that much to fuck up for them and its also easier to play a gank with a champion that is easy to understand.
90% of this game is just being in the right place at the right time, and a lot of people can't do that.
Has anyone considered we can also blame supports like we are playing a hero shooter
i stopped reading at most important and loved role
Mid lane was an impactful role 7 years ago, thats back when people queued a lot for mid; but over the years things changed and it became more of a jungler personal assistant role with the catch that at 14 minutes you sacrifice the fun to let adc and supp stay mid because they are better then you. I may be biased because i don’t know the situation in all brackets but only in d2+ since its been some years i sit around there, but i believe in the last 4 years. the only reasonable gameplay mid laners have is to pick something that spikes at 15 minutes and do their best to get prio in 3 key moments of the game before becoming functionally useless and meaningless, which surely is far from op and loved.
Nowadays to blame mid lane for a loss is like blaming the sun for burning the plants you forgot outside, it’s a role that shouldn’t be blamed ever but should praised when manages to make the difference.
Literally mid meta is "clear wave, hover jungler"...mid is not what it used to be.