"Too bad we allowed our fans to bully him and his family while he gave it his all and wound up winning us Worlds and getting MVP and we still dropped him"
Every single time I come into a thread like this, there's only one side being toxic and one side trying to be logical or just explaining their personal opinion.
And funny enough it's often not the the side that everyone else claims is toxic, blind, and stupid.
Part of that is bad timing. The best ADCs during the LCK Cup were Ezreal and Kai'sa. Gumayusi is not good on either.
After their 2022 loss and their 2023 win, the subsequent ADC metas were good for Guma. 2023 LCK Spring was the ranged support meta. 2024 LCK Spring was just the usual stuff, Varus, Kalista, Lucian, lots of Senna, etc.
Right, because people canât improve on a champ by practicing? So if Faker works on Aurora and becomes good on her next year, we can then claim he was great on Aurora in 2025 as well, right?
Because I don't think 2 games changes years of Guma losing on the pick?
Especially because one of those 2 games was against Hope, who is bad, and the other was against TES, who was completely outclassed as a team.
I've actually defended Gumayusi's Kai'sa in the past because he actually looked good on Kai'sa before he was a starter for T1. But, something clearly wasn't working for him in stage games.
Don't bother explaining it. I love Guma, and I wish him the best on HLE. But if you actually watched those two games beyond the KDA, his Kai'Sa wasn't anything special. Like he's fine on the pick, but he's certainly not a Ruler/Viper/Gala etc.
Yeah he played it against TES who goy fucking dismantled by T1 3-0, and played it against Hope who sucked.
Also those two games, T1 literally fucking played a Camille Galio Neeko comp which is a Kaisa's dream to play in. Now see if he can play it in HLE against T1/GenG in LCK.
Guma is clearly good on Kaisa now and it will be a common pick for him going forward. But the Guma doubters or haters are latching onto him only having a few good games on her so itâs not enough âproofâ despite doing it on the biggest stage with the biggest pressure lmao.
Those comments will disappear and she like milk once Guma is still doing good on kaisa during thr 2026 season.
There was borderline no way guma would stay with T1 after this season. Dude had another insane growth over the year and a great bounce back. T1 mismanaged the way the treated guma
Just the last sentence, itâs so odd to say when you have little proof and they won worlds, so from the outside perspective all you saw was that their strategy worked and elevated his level.
I agree that Guma was treated terribly by the org during that bench drama, but I think he always glazed T1 as 'where he wants to retire' because of his brother. It isn't surprising that he grew up, became his own man and wanted to move on, regardless of the benching.
the benching literally elevated gumaâs level completely. His performance was extremely poor, smash came in and was playing amazingly, and then guma came back and had massive improvement. Youâre simply criticizing because: guma good player therefor bench bad
Not once i have i said benching is bad. Benching people is fine. Cutting him out of reviews, isolating him from the team and refusing to let him play until your ceo steps in is not.
Also letting fans mindlessly bully and threaten guma and his family without stepping in as an org is insane.
It was stated by either guma or coaching staff that guma had no scrims nor reviews before he was subbed back in for one game before they subbed him back out which indicates he hadnt been scrimming and reviewing with the team for quite some time.
Which alone is a massive fuck up. You don't sub someone in without practice then sub him out again the next match. Its stupid as fuck
guma was playing soloq during scrim blocks
As for what I want the org to do? Put out at least a fucking statement backing your player like HLE did? And like T1 does is the second it's about faker?
"little proof"? wasn't it proven he wasn't allowed to even view their scrim games? he was treated like a complete outsider while benched it was beyond disgusting
Makes sense, they needed Guma to grow his champion pool strength, cause they never even make it to worlds without his growth. Benching might have been cruel but they mustâve thought it was the best way to push Guma into greater heights.
Even though I think they are completely wrong for ever benching him in the first place.
I think they are completely wrong for ever benching him in the first place.
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Maybe they are wrong, maybe they are right. But the next egregious thing they did was not letting him be included in reviewing the VODS of matches done.
Even Faker was benched but he was never excluded from team meetings.
FINALLY THE MOST EGREGIOUS AND SINFUL PART IS GIVING T1 GALLs platform to preach their likes and Dislikes.
Yea its one thing to just bench him but it seems like they completely cut him off from everything. Thats probably why he felt so dismissed and unappreciated, like everything he had done for them didnt matter at all and they didnt even need his input from watching along side them.
Not really anything to expand on, he just had a dedicated hate group (don't really understand the hate it seems to be irrational apparently) who think he's the literal Antichrist, and I'm not just using that as hyperbole. They follow his actions, blame everything on him, and harass him and his family by stalking and doxing them. No one really understands why they're doing it, they just seemed to have picked a target and stuck to it.
To clarify, T1gal been hating on Guma for years, was already calling for Guma's removal and Smash sub-in during Summer2024. From what i understood, before early this year, KR general public treated T1gal how english community treats Thorin (old guy yapping controversial takes to rage-bait lol community for engagement).
However because how weirdly T1 phrases the sequence of events: Guma sub out, lack of alternating between Guma and Smash or communication, CEO stepped in to put Guma back*, Guma sub out again after losing to GenG, and ended Smash experiment after one really tilted series. The biggest 'offender' was JoeMarsh's statement on stepping in to reinstate Guma.
JoeM's action were seen as nepotism, even prompting official investigation. This made public n t1gal stood on the same side of Guma being a 'parachute'. Eventually, after Smash returned to LCK CL, most noise died down from community but T1gal this yr was on a warpath to smear Guma every chance they had.
TLDR: T1's actions directly/indirectly enabled T1gal's behavior and it became extremely problematic this year. Most people speculated Guma's falling out with T1 was due to how he was treated from both.
These r all from my pov and can be bias. There were a lot more sht T1gal did but let's just say watching it unfold was like a melodrama, wouldn't had believe these are real life people.
tldr. a very very very toxic faker fan group who is very hateful towards anyone who isn't Faker but is for some reason extra hateful towards Guma they've been kicked from the main T1 fanbase so they had their own group and goes out of their way to spite guma like sending funeral wreaths and doxxing the church his family goes to
also probably full of women in their late 30s but i honestly don't know if that one's true
One of the members is a woman but many others are not. There's a case of men from tgal who attack fans in lol park and even at their workplace. They're not really hardcore Faker fans either
Many of them want Faker to go free agent or retire and made it sounds like "for his own good". They're crazy jobless haters.
Its not malicious at all, its what the coaches thought was the best for the team. Whether you agree or not is a different story but theyre definitely not out to get guma
Benching him for performance reasons and then going out of their way to actively deny his ability to improve and learn with his team definitely seems about as clear cut as a team gets to being "out to get" one of their players.
Most of the times when players get benched (or they're a 6th man) they're still involved in the teams practice and yes they do get some scrim time. When Guma got benched he wasn't just not given any scrims to play the coaches actively didn't involve him in team meetings or vod reviews.
They needed him to improve and instead of helping coach him, they benched him because they thought that the issue was that he just wasn't motivated enough to improve, despite all the evidence pointing to the contrary.
I just feel like this idea of needing to motivate people like this is just absurd. These players are already goats, they wouldn't be here if they didn't have the motivation to improve inherently. It just feels like a cope from the coaches where they vaguely blame the player for something and essentially just toss them aside to figure out how to be better on their own.
Isn't the evidence pointing to the contrary the fact that it has been years and yet he still couldn't really play Zeri, Ezreal, or Kai'sa before a few games this Worlds?
There are tons of examples across e-sports and sports of benchings or worse to motivate players.
He has won 2 world championships. He was improving, he just didn't improve on those specific champs. So I think that the proper move as a coach would be to take this highly motivated top performer and direct him to learn those champs better with the team.
And about those examples of benching. They benched faker in the past. Faker didn't stop after 5 world championships and an injury, he is still the GOAT and the oldest player out there despite it being very easy for him to just retire now. I don't think there is any world where Faker lacked motivation and needed to be benched to make him want to perform better. I think the "success" stories of benching players are mostly just the player being an already really good person dealing with coaching shenanigans.
hell yeah, I feel like they left him to improve by himself rather than training him
ofc he's a good player and self-learning is expected, but gotta lend him a hand too
Mata mustâve seen Gumaâs growth firsthand. Heâs always spoken highly of him, even at Worlds, he defended Gumaâs KaiâSa and said it was amazing when a lot of people were doubting him.
Mata saying this carries so much weight. he was the pioneer of the roaming support style, so he knows better than anyone that for keria to be the "main character" around the map, guma has to play 1v2 in the most miserable conditions possible and still stay relevant. 1.5x title is honestly an understatement for the weakside god.
Itâs actually insane how much the community underrates guma because he doesn't have the flashy 20/0 kda every game. the man is the emotional and tactical anchor of this team. t1 can play like a circus only because guma is the one holding the tent poles in a hurricane.
Does Mata know that he's the one who put Guma through the said "tough time" and basically had the CEO overturn his decision which led them to a third Worlds title?
Edit: insane the comments im reading, Guma won FMVP. That benching did nothing but drive one of the best ADC's away from T1. He didnt miraculously get much better in the 4 weeks he was benched. Mata's sub failed. It was a god awful decision. Idek how this is a conversation lmao. He won another worlds after being told his champ pool is a problem. Imagine telling a 3 time worlds finalist that his champ pool is a problem?? And then he won it again in Fearless draft. Make it make sense lol.
I think the benching was a little out of line. Guma was already playing Kai'Sa in solo queue before being benched. Aware solo queue doesn't translate to stage, but its not like he was first timing her when they played. Am also aware benching should be normal too especially if the player is underperforming in some fields.
Did you see his performance before the bench? He was utter trash, and mata made the right choice for t1 whether you like it or not. Only then Guma improved a lot and started to shine once again. Say what you want, t1 winning worlds is because of T1 Management with Guma. He didn't put the necessary effort and got benched, point
But he wasn't bad though. He played 2 BO3 and then was benched for the rest of it. Even so him coming back after the benched wasn't him improving, he played the same. Even then he didn't even consistently play any of the champions he had issues on.
It is always interesting to me that fans take a benching so personally. It's a competition not a cozy 9-5 job. If they aren't on par with the expectations of the team, then it's not surprising they'll be benched.
And Guma can learn Kaisa while playing (which he did). He didnt learn Kaisa off the backg of 4 weeks of not playing. The world win showcases that Guma was never the problem and his draft pool was never an issue. Its also why he is now on HLE. If his issues were so pronounced, why would one of two other top team take him? God awful take.
Every ADC apart from Ruler has champs they play and ones they don't. He had 2 world titles, I dont necessarily see how that was an issue before. He also plays Varus, Lucian and Xayah to an astronomically high level. And then won a third world titles so we know in hindsight Mata was just plain wrong. We have the result of that experiment, Guma was FMVP. Theres no argument here.
im not saying guma is bad by any means he beat rulers zeri with varus in a 1v2. When he was the one outnumbered. i am just stating what mata did and why.
Mata's job is to use the players best able to get T1 the win. He for some reason has a love boner for hyper carry adc's and thus has always wanted an ADC that plays those champs. So rather than understanding just how good the ADC he had is and working to make sure that he is able to use that players abilities to win, he went ahead with an ego decision to fullfil his aim to get an ADC that plays hyper carries. So im telling you what mata did and why make no sense as a manager and its more a personal ego thing than what his job is.
Mata's job is to use the players best able to get T1 the win. He for some reason has a love boner for hyper carry adc's and thus has always wanted an ADC that plays those champs. So rather than understanding just how good the ADC he had is and working to make sure that he is able to use that players abilities to win, he went ahead with an ego decision to fullfil his aim to get an ADC that plays hyper carries. So im telling you what mata did and why make no sense as a manager and its more a personal ego thing than what his job is.
Source for mata choosing hyper carry over guma please.
Marsh forced kkoma to put Guma back in. Smash never chose to be subbed out. It was also pretty much guaranteed that he was never gonna get subbed in for Guma again. There's no point in staying on the roster if you're not gonna get to play.
There also were no teams looking to sign any ADCs mid-April. Off-season isnt until the end of the year, so what else is Smash gonna do except go back to Academy until then?
You say he couldn't stand the pressure, yet he signed w/ DK as soon as free agency began. His in-game performance on T1 also showed he could very well handle the pressure.
If it was actually guaranteed that T1 would never sub smash back in, they wouldn't have been so evasive about it about Joe Marsh comments. And why are we acting like the pressure on dk is anywhere comparable to the pressure on t1?
T1 obviously weren't gonna say he'd never be subbed in. I really shouldn't need to explain this to you. After the fans reaction to the event, and the CEO himself getting involved, it's pretty damn clear that they wouldn't want to repeat the disaster. It doesn't need to be said.
And why are we acting like the pressure on dk is anywhere comparable to the pressure on t1?
You seriously just want to say w/e you can to fit your narrative, huh? You ignore anything I say that gets in the way, so why even bother replying? You don't acknowledge his on-stage performance (which is a great representation of how well he handled the pressure). You dont acknowledge that his subbing out was not his choice, which means he would've continued playing on the main roster. You say he went back to Challengers cuz he couldn't handle the pressure, but now you say it's specific to T1. Stop trying to argue your unnecessary & failed narrative. All you're doing is backing into a corner and making shit up to convince yourself that you "can be right sometimes."
Even Faker was benched before, you guys took the benching way too personally. Was it unfair? Maybe a bit, but why are we still talking about it? Players get benched all the time. I'd say T1's kpop ass fanbase is more annoying for their players than their coaches.
Mata's quote is about all the stuff Guma overcame, his hard work and the pressure that was on him this year. But feel free to keep crying about his benching, nobody has ever been betrayed like Guma. đ
? You seem to think this is a "omg my fav player was mistreated boo hoo" situation. I couldnt care less. I find it funny Mata is talking about an issue he himself created without any basis or reason. I find that fucking stupid lmao.
Also that zogk played like trash and went 1-7 without him?
Guwon came in for Oner, they won the game easy. Smash came in for Guma and they went 6-2, only lost to HLE. How the fuck do you replace a mid when the backup goes 1-7
Well they didn't. Faker got benched in 2015 2018 2020 and T1 fans didn't make such a fuss like these parasocial Guma fans/haters did this year.
The big difference is Faker doesn't complain about him getting benched to the public but Guma actually did. Which made his fans go rage and act parasocial.Â
Guma was reinstated. He won FMVP. Theres CEO went over the coach's head. I dont need to "know more" than the coach, we have the results of that experiment. Mata was wrong. Like this aint rocket science, theres a reason Guma is on HLE and Smash on DK lmao. God awful take.
Man đ
âYeah we basically said he needs to do better all year. Poor guy too bad we treated him like shit and made this year harder for him for no reasonâ
"Too bad we allowed our fans to bully him and his family while he gave it his all and wound up winning us Worlds and getting MVP and we still dropped him"
No reason?
Isn't the reason to win Worlds?
Yeah for no reason. Guma didnât need that extra motivation the previous two years in a row to win worlds so why did he need it now?
Fearless
oh ok everyone else was good just treat guma like shit alright HLE got their game plan down
it's impossible to discuss this benching with parasocial people. good day to you
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Every single time I come into a thread like this, there's only one side being toxic and one side trying to be logical or just explaining their personal opinion.
And funny enough it's often not the the side that everyone else claims is toxic, blind, and stupid.
Don't forget hidden comments! they always hide comment history
Part of that is bad timing. The best ADCs during the LCK Cup were Ezreal and Kai'sa. Gumayusi is not good on either.
After their 2022 loss and their 2023 win, the subsequent ADC metas were good for Guma. 2023 LCK Spring was the ranged support meta. 2024 LCK Spring was just the usual stuff, Varus, Kalista, Lucian, lots of Senna, etc.
How the fuck are we still under the delusion that Guma isnât good on Kaisa in 2026?
Right, because people canât improve on a champ by practicing? So if Faker works on Aurora and becomes good on her next year, we can then claim he was great on Aurora in 2025 as well, right?
He has a 35% win rate on Kaisa all time on one of the most dominant teams ever.
Like he wasn't the reason T1 won those Kaisa games at World either, it was mostly team composition diff.
Because I don't think 2 games changes years of Guma losing on the pick?
Especially because one of those 2 games was against Hope, who is bad, and the other was against TES, who was completely outclassed as a team.
I've actually defended Gumayusi's Kai'sa in the past because he actually looked good on Kai'sa before he was a starter for T1. But, something clearly wasn't working for him in stage games.
Don't bother explaining it. I love Guma, and I wish him the best on HLE. But if you actually watched those two games beyond the KDA, his Kai'Sa wasn't anything special. Like he's fine on the pick, but he's certainly not a Ruler/Viper/Gala etc.
Yeah he played it against TES who goy fucking dismantled by T1 3-0, and played it against Hope who sucked.
Also those two games, T1 literally fucking played a Camille Galio Neeko comp which is a Kaisa's dream to play in. Now see if he can play it in HLE against T1/GenG in LCK.
Guma is clearly good on Kaisa now and it will be a common pick for him going forward. But the Guma doubters or haters are latching onto him only having a few good games on her so itâs not enough âproofâ despite doing it on the biggest stage with the biggest pressure lmao.
Those comments will disappear and she like milk once Guma is still doing good on kaisa during thr 2026 season.
where can i find this video?
Four Sight EP.1 | Worlds 2025 Documentary in LCK youtube channel
There was borderline no way guma would stay with T1 after this season. Dude had another insane growth over the year and a great bounce back. T1 mismanaged the way the treated guma
that fiasco at the start of the year was disgusting
what a weird thing to say
Wanna elaborate on that?
Just the last sentence, itâs so odd to say when you have little proof and they won worlds, so from the outside perspective all you saw was that their strategy worked and elevated his level.
And in that time he lost interest in the team he wanted to retire in. You can bench way less destructive than what T1 did
I agree that Guma was treated terribly by the org during that bench drama, but I think he always glazed T1 as 'where he wants to retire' because of his brother. It isn't surprising that he grew up, became his own man and wanted to move on, regardless of the benching.
the benching literally elevated gumaâs level completely. His performance was extremely poor, smash came in and was playing amazingly, and then guma came back and had massive improvement. Youâre simply criticizing because: guma good player therefor bench bad
Not once i have i said benching is bad. Benching people is fine. Cutting him out of reviews, isolating him from the team and refusing to let him play until your ceo steps in is not.
Also letting fans mindlessly bully and threaten guma and his family without stepping in as an org is insane.
stepping in as an org? what do you want them to do?
what is your source for them removing him from review? it seems youâve eaten up the t1 fan account drama stirring
It was stated by either guma or coaching staff that guma had no scrims nor reviews before he was subbed back in for one game before they subbed him back out which indicates he hadnt been scrimming and reviewing with the team for quite some time.
Which alone is a massive fuck up. You don't sub someone in without practice then sub him out again the next match. Its stupid as fuck
As for what I want the org to do? Put out at least a fucking statement backing your player like HLE did? And like T1 does is the second it's about faker?
Imagine asking Guma to scim when smash is the one playing. These parasocials can't think straight.
Thereâs a literal stream of Guma mentioning it
"little proof"? wasn't it proven he wasn't allowed to even view their scrim games? he was treated like a complete outsider while benched it was beyond disgusting
He wasn't allowed to scrim not watch scrim games.You want guma to scrim when smash is the one playing?
Makes sense, they needed Guma to grow his champion pool strength, cause they never even make it to worlds without his growth. Benching might have been cruel but they mustâve thought it was the best way to push Guma into greater heights.
Even though I think they are completely wrong for ever benching him in the first place.
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Maybe they are wrong, maybe they are right. But the next egregious thing they did was not letting him be included in reviewing the VODS of matches done.
Even Faker was benched but he was never excluded from team meetings.
FINALLY THE MOST EGREGIOUS AND SINFUL PART IS GIVING T1 GALLs platform to preach their likes and Dislikes.
Yea its one thing to just bench him but it seems like they completely cut him off from everything. Thats probably why he felt so dismissed and unappreciated, like everything he had done for them didnt matter at all and they didnt even need his input from watching along side them.
Is there a summary of this T1 GALL stuff? What is that about?
Not really anything to expand on, he just had a dedicated hate group (don't really understand the hate it seems to be irrational apparently) who think he's the literal Antichrist, and I'm not just using that as hyperbole. They follow his actions, blame everything on him, and harass him and his family by stalking and doxing them. No one really understands why they're doing it, they just seemed to have picked a target and stuck to it.
To clarify, T1gal been hating on Guma for years, was already calling for Guma's removal and Smash sub-in during Summer2024. From what i understood, before early this year, KR general public treated T1gal how english community treats Thorin (old guy yapping controversial takes to rage-bait lol community for engagement).
However because how weirdly T1 phrases the sequence of events: Guma sub out, lack of alternating between Guma and Smash or communication, CEO stepped in to put Guma back*, Guma sub out again after losing to GenG, and ended Smash experiment after one really tilted series. The biggest 'offender' was JoeMarsh's statement on stepping in to reinstate Guma.
JoeM's action were seen as nepotism, even prompting official investigation. This made public n t1gal stood on the same side of Guma being a 'parachute'. Eventually, after Smash returned to LCK CL, most noise died down from community but T1gal this yr was on a warpath to smear Guma every chance they had.
TLDR: T1's actions directly/indirectly enabled T1gal's behavior and it became extremely problematic this year. Most people speculated Guma's falling out with T1 was due to how he was treated from both.
These r all from my pov and can be bias. There were a lot more sht T1gal did but let's just say watching it unfold was like a melodrama, wouldn't had believe these are real life people.
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IN contrast to T1, HLE will absolutely cancel your membership the moment you are mildly toxic and will block you from all forms of social media.
sorry just for a bit more context: is t1 gal a person? or a fan group?
It's a "fan" group called T1 Supporters Gallery (shorten to T1 Gall/Gal). You can read a write up about them here
I just read through that and that is CRAZY, what the hell is wrong with people
tldr. a very very very toxic faker fan group who is very hateful towards anyone who isn't Faker but is for some reason extra hateful towards Guma they've been kicked from the main T1 fanbase so they had their own group and goes out of their way to spite guma like sending funeral wreaths and doxxing the church his family goes to
also probably full of women in their late 30s but i honestly don't know if that one's true
One of the members is a woman but many others are not. There's a case of men from tgal who attack fans in lol park and even at their workplace. They're not really hardcore Faker fans either Many of them want Faker to go free agent or retire and made it sounds like "for his own good". They're crazy jobless haters.
I want to believe that his benching wasn't done in malicious intent but when you exclude him from scrims then I would think otherwise.
Its not malicious at all, its what the coaches thought was the best for the team. Whether you agree or not is a different story but theyre definitely not out to get guma
Benching him for performance reasons and then going out of their way to actively deny his ability to improve and learn with his team definitely seems about as clear cut as a team gets to being "out to get" one of their players.
You want guma to scrim when smash is the one playing?
Most of the times when players get benched (or they're a 6th man) they're still involved in the teams practice and yes they do get some scrim time. When Guma got benched he wasn't just not given any scrims to play the coaches actively didn't involve him in team meetings or vod reviews.
They needed him to improve and instead of helping coach him, they benched him because they thought that the issue was that he just wasn't motivated enough to improve, despite all the evidence pointing to the contrary.
I just feel like this idea of needing to motivate people like this is just absurd. These players are already goats, they wouldn't be here if they didn't have the motivation to improve inherently. It just feels like a cope from the coaches where they vaguely blame the player for something and essentially just toss them aside to figure out how to be better on their own.
Source? Or are you calling your theory fact?
Isn't the evidence pointing to the contrary the fact that it has been years and yet he still couldn't really play Zeri, Ezreal, or Kai'sa before a few games this Worlds?
There are tons of examples across e-sports and sports of benchings or worse to motivate players.
He has won 2 world championships. He was improving, he just didn't improve on those specific champs. So I think that the proper move as a coach would be to take this highly motivated top performer and direct him to learn those champs better with the team.
And about those examples of benching. They benched faker in the past. Faker didn't stop after 5 world championships and an injury, he is still the GOAT and the oldest player out there despite it being very easy for him to just retire now. I don't think there is any world where Faker lacked motivation and needed to be benched to make him want to perform better. I think the "success" stories of benching players are mostly just the player being an already really good person dealing with coaching shenanigans.
hell yeah, I feel like they left him to improve by himself rather than training him
ofc he's a good player and self-learning is expected, but gotta lend him a hand too
I'm not giving the coaches that benefit of the doubt, what they did to guma was a net negative to the team.
Mata mustâve seen Gumaâs growth firsthand. Heâs always spoken highly of him, even at Worlds, he defended Gumaâs KaiâSa and said it was amazing when a lot of people were doubting him.
Iâm glad Guma pushed through and finished with a Worlds win, FMVP and then got best ADC award in LCK.
Guma doenât need to prove anything to anyone.Â
Heck even if he never wins anything again he is still one of the best ADCs of all time.
Mata saying this carries so much weight. he was the pioneer of the roaming support style, so he knows better than anyone that for keria to be the "main character" around the map, guma has to play 1v2 in the most miserable conditions possible and still stay relevant. 1.5x title is honestly an understatement for the weakside god.
Itâs actually insane how much the community underrates guma because he doesn't have the flashy 20/0 kda every game. the man is the emotional and tactical anchor of this team. t1 can play like a circus only because guma is the one holding the tent poles in a hurricane.
Does Mata know that he's the one who put Guma through the said "tough time" and basically had the CEO overturn his decision which led them to a third Worlds title?
Edit: insane the comments im reading, Guma won FMVP. That benching did nothing but drive one of the best ADC's away from T1. He didnt miraculously get much better in the 4 weeks he was benched. Mata's sub failed. It was a god awful decision. Idek how this is a conversation lmao. He won another worlds after being told his champ pool is a problem. Imagine telling a 3 time worlds finalist that his champ pool is a problem?? And then he won it again in Fearless draft. Make it make sense lol.
Asking your adc to learn Kaisa Because game is now on fearless was Matas' job. He didn't do anything crazy thats out of line.
I think the benching was a little out of line. Guma was already playing Kai'Sa in solo queue before being benched. Aware solo queue doesn't translate to stage, but its not like he was first timing her when they played. Am also aware benching should be normal too especially if the player is underperforming in some fields.
Did you see his performance before the bench? He was utter trash, and mata made the right choice for t1 whether you like it or not. Only then Guma improved a lot and started to shine once again. Say what you want, t1 winning worlds is because of T1 Management with Guma. He didn't put the necessary effort and got benched, point
But he wasn't bad though. He played 2 BO3 and then was benched for the rest of it. Even so him coming back after the benched wasn't him improving, he played the same. Even then he didn't even consistently play any of the champions he had issues on.
This is utter nonsense. Guma was not that bad pre benching
It is always interesting to me that fans take a benching so personally. It's a competition not a cozy 9-5 job. If they aren't on par with the expectations of the team, then it's not surprising they'll be benched.
And Guma can learn Kaisa while playing (which he did). He didnt learn Kaisa off the backg of 4 weeks of not playing. The world win showcases that Guma was never the problem and his draft pool was never an issue. Its also why he is now on HLE. If his issues were so pronounced, why would one of two other top team take him? God awful take.
Guma not being proficient on Zeri, Ezreal, and Kaisa was a known thing for 3~4+ years. I'm not sure what you mean.
Every ADC apart from Ruler has champs they play and ones they don't. He had 2 world titles, I dont necessarily see how that was an issue before. He also plays Varus, Lucian and Xayah to an astronomically high level. And then won a third world titles so we know in hindsight Mata was just plain wrong. We have the result of that experiment, Guma was FMVP. Theres no argument here.
im not saying guma is bad by any means he beat rulers zeri with varus in a 1v2. When he was the one outnumbered. i am just stating what mata did and why.
Mata's job is to use the players best able to get T1 the win. He for some reason has a love boner for hyper carry adc's and thus has always wanted an ADC that plays those champs. So rather than understanding just how good the ADC he had is and working to make sure that he is able to use that players abilities to win, he went ahead with an ego decision to fullfil his aim to get an ADC that plays hyper carries. So im telling you what mata did and why make no sense as a manager and its more a personal ego thing than what his job is.
Source for mata choosing hyper carry over guma please.
Where was it confirmed that Mata was the one to bench Guma? From everything I've read, it was Becker & Kkoma that made the decision.
And btw, Smash didnt fail. Idk where you got that idea, but he played insanely well.
He literally failed though? He couldn't stand the pressure and dropped back to challenger
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Marsh forced kkoma to put Guma back in. Smash never chose to be subbed out. It was also pretty much guaranteed that he was never gonna get subbed in for Guma again. There's no point in staying on the roster if you're not gonna get to play.
There also were no teams looking to sign any ADCs mid-April. Off-season isnt until the end of the year, so what else is Smash gonna do except go back to Academy until then?
You say he couldn't stand the pressure, yet he signed w/ DK as soon as free agency began. His in-game performance on T1 also showed he could very well handle the pressure.
If it was actually guaranteed that T1 would never sub smash back in, they wouldn't have been so evasive about it about Joe Marsh comments. And why are we acting like the pressure on dk is anywhere comparable to the pressure on t1?
T1 obviously weren't gonna say he'd never be subbed in. I really shouldn't need to explain this to you. After the fans reaction to the event, and the CEO himself getting involved, it's pretty damn clear that they wouldn't want to repeat the disaster. It doesn't need to be said.
You seriously just want to say w/e you can to fit your narrative, huh? You ignore anything I say that gets in the way, so why even bother replying? You don't acknowledge his on-stage performance (which is a great representation of how well he handled the pressure). You dont acknowledge that his subbing out was not his choice, which means he would've continued playing on the main roster. You say he went back to Challengers cuz he couldn't handle the pressure, but now you say it's specific to T1. Stop trying to argue your unnecessary & failed narrative. All you're doing is backing into a corner and making shit up to convince yourself that you "can be right sometimes."
Even Faker was benched before, you guys took the benching way too personally. Was it unfair? Maybe a bit, but why are we still talking about it? Players get benched all the time. I'd say T1's kpop ass fanbase is more annoying for their players than their coaches.
Youre in a post talking about the benching why tf are you surprised its being brought up??? What a stupid thing to point out lmao.
Mata's quote is about all the stuff Guma overcame, his hard work and the pressure that was on him this year. But feel free to keep crying about his benching, nobody has ever been betrayed like Guma. đ
? You seem to think this is a "omg my fav player was mistreated boo hoo" situation. I couldnt care less. I find it funny Mata is talking about an issue he himself created without any basis or reason. I find that fucking stupid lmao.
lol can you imagine t1 benching faker now? EX DEE.
No because there is no good backup mid?
Also that zogk played like trash and went 1-7 without him?
Guwon came in for Oner, they won the game easy. Smash came in for Guma and they went 6-2, only lost to HLE. How the fuck do you replace a mid when the backup goes 1-7
well thats what im saying AND the fan backlash would be a sight to see. I imagine people would be burning down T1 building
Well they didn't. Faker got benched in 2015 2018 2020 and T1 fans didn't make such a fuss like these parasocial Guma fans/haters did this year.
The big difference is Faker doesn't complain about him getting benched to the public but Guma actually did. Which made his fans go rage and act parasocial.Â
im very confused. im just saying can you imagine the situation as a joke.
but if im serious for a second here. yes, if you watch teddy's interview he said "i trust in the coaches im sure who ever is adc for t1 will do great"
guma interview is more like "i had such a hard time on bench it made me so stressed"
For some reason Silver 4 players think they know so much more than professional coaches that work behind the scenes lol.
True, daeny too was a professional and his musical chairs worked out so well
Guma was reinstated. He won FMVP. Theres CEO went over the coach's head. I dont need to "know more" than the coach, we have the results of that experiment. Mata was wrong. Like this aint rocket science, theres a reason Guma is on HLE and Smash on DK lmao. God awful take.
Love guma when needed he was always there and more but letâs not act like keria and faker had no say on all of this drama.