I also find it brings joy writing in Cyrillic cursive, writing them same in block text is more cumbersome for some unexplainable reason (what could it be 🤔).
I had exactly this problem in a lesson this morning, only my NL is English and my TL is German. "Are you struggling with ess-zsett or umlauts?" "No, I think it's an N"
Do you know the origin of szett? It may help you to write it better. Look up how ye olde s and z was written in cursive German (before WW2). They are just combined to make ß. I might now look like a mutated B but if you know the origin it makes sense.
Edit: There is a comprehensive article on en wikipedia for it: wiki/ß (Idk if links are allowed her, just enter ß in the search bar of wiki. It shows the evolution of the letter nicely.
Yes, the joke was that my handwriting is so bad that I cannot read an n but the teacher assumed I was struggling with a letter we don't have in English.
As russian, I'm terrified of people who aren't using cursive while handwriting.
Pseudo-print is 3-4 times slower and requires much more effort to write. You aren't supposed to write in printing fonts. Everyone writes in cursive, because it's convenient & fast, eliminating unnecessary hand movements.
Exception for print is: when you want it to be very readable, even from big distance. Like on a hand-drawn scheme.
Even more: russian everyday cursive isn't that hard, because it's actually скоропись, not full calligraphic cursive. It's still cursive in all crucial moments, just without more decorative elements for letters and connections, movements are simplified.
Our words generally are way too long for printed, and our letters are a bit harder to write properly in it, like ж, ш, д - too many lines, and they inevitably curve into each other anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Idk, for me it's easier and faster to write in print font. Like I used to write in normal cursive my entire life, but once I tried to use printing font it seemed much more convenient to me. But yeah, I think for most people it's better to write in cursive.
Tbf for Latin writing this has been a huge debate at German schools for teaching native speakers for years now. Do we teach children cursive? Do we force them to write cursive for a while? Do we make them read cursive?
I still learned it, but only the modernised version, I never learned the old style "Sütterlin Cursive". I think in my state cursive isn't required anymore.
Yeah cursive fonts lend themselves to more fluid writing, and they can look nice as display fonts. But I wouldn't be surprised if Cyrillic ends up going through a similar process where it becomes less popular with native speakers as less and less writing is being done by hand.
If they went to school in Russia they have learned it though. I also learned cursive for my language/writing system in elementary but don't use it. It is also used as decorative print font. I mean, you do you but when I learn a language I want to learn how to write and read it in all its forms. So, I found their opinion short- sighted, at least.
They're forgetting that lots of shops and labels use fonts like that.
I also find it brings joy writing in Cyrillic cursive, writing them same in block text is more cumbersome for some unexplainable reason (what could it be 🤔).
Cue a "wtf is this letter? I thought I knew the alphabet!" And it's just an italic т.
I love that there are multiple ways to write it, lol. Sad I cannot include pictures in comments in this sub.
m̄ w̄ т?
There’s gotta be a way to add a macron to ɯ using combining characters
Also isn’t m also used?
I actually used combining characters, but forgot it's more like ~ than a straight line.
No it’s a straight line, and I figured that you’d used combining characters, I just meant that ɯ w/ looks more like cursive т than w
Yesterday there was a post in another sub about the differences between: macaron, macaroon (?), macron (French pres). They forgot this one.
Cue russian is difficult to read man. I have no idea how my teacher could read my writing. I couldn't read my writing
I had exactly this problem in a lesson this morning, only my NL is English and my TL is German. "Are you struggling with ess-zsett or umlauts?" "No, I think it's an N"
Do you know the origin of szett? It may help you to write it better. Look up how ye olde s and z was written in cursive German (before WW2). They are just combined to make ß. I might now look like a mutated B but if you know the origin it makes sense.
Edit: There is a comprehensive article on en wikipedia for it: wiki/ß (Idk if links are allowed her, just enter ß in the search bar of wiki. It shows the evolution of the letter nicely.
Yes, the joke was that my handwriting is so bad that I cannot read an n but the teacher assumed I was struggling with a letter we don't have in English.
Redditor fails to understand that the Internet is not the only domain of usefulness in a language learning context...
For some people the internet is their whole life. Pretty sad
That shouldn't stop them from learning cursives.
As russian, I'm terrified of people who aren't using cursive while handwriting.
Pseudo-print is 3-4 times slower and requires much more effort to write. You aren't supposed to write in printing fonts. Everyone writes in cursive, because it's convenient & fast, eliminating unnecessary hand movements.
Exception for print is: when you want it to be very readable, even from big distance. Like on a hand-drawn scheme.
Even more: russian everyday cursive isn't that hard, because it's actually скоропись, not full calligraphic cursive. It's still cursive in all crucial moments, just without more decorative elements for letters and connections, movements are simplified.
I agree completely. Even in my third decade I can’t draw a good print Д
my hack is to draw the base first, then Л on top
Lol, I do the opposite. First the top in one swoop and then the base in one swoop.
Our words generally are way too long for printed, and our letters are a bit harder to write properly in it, like ж, ш, д - too many lines, and they inevitably curve into each other anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Idk, for me it's easier and faster to write in print font. Like I used to write in normal cursive my entire life, but once I tried to use printing font it seemed much more convenient to me. But yeah, I think for most people it's better to write in cursive.
It is also not hard to learn, so I really don't get it. (That being said, I might a person that loves to learn writing systems, I may be biased)
I like to write kanji in cursive
I wish i was able to 😭 dont really know how to start learning that tho
Only true form.
When the kanji was handwritten by a native speaker so I have no idea what it says 🤪
This reminds of the post of the "fluent russian learner" who couldn't a captcha on some russian sight because he couldn't read/understand numbers.
The captcha would be: enter the following number: тысяча четыреста шестьдесят семь in a cursive font. Lmao
Wait til you see Chinese or Japanese
Tbf for Latin writing this has been a huge debate at German schools for teaching native speakers for years now. Do we teach children cursive? Do we force them to write cursive for a while? Do we make them read cursive?
I still learned it, but only the modernised version, I never learned the old style "Sütterlin Cursive". I think in my state cursive isn't required anymore.
Yeah cursive fonts lend themselves to more fluid writing, and they can look nice as display fonts. But I wouldn't be surprised if Cyrillic ends up going through a similar process where it becomes less popular with native speakers as less and less writing is being done by hand.
Is he wrong tho. i work in an office. intuitive meta-understanding of how 1C works is faaaar more useful lol
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Plenty of native Russian speakers don't use cursive, though, and just write with print-like font. You aren't absolutely required to write in cursive.
If they went to school in Russia they have learned it though. I also learned cursive for my language/writing system in elementary but don't use it. It is also used as decorative print font. I mean, you do you but when I learn a language I want to learn how to write and read it in all its forms. So, I found their opinion short- sighted, at least.
Schools teach you cursive, but they don't require you to use it. Some teachers even require you not to use it to make your work easier to read.
But he ain't wrong? I don't remember the last time I needed to read cursive, my own writing aside.