Mercosur is so obviously an attempt to save the German car industry. The same German car industry that has failed to / refused to innovate in 10 years now, which has allowed BYD to over take them.
They think that expanding into Brazil (at the expense of the European agricultural market) is a substitute for innovation.
They’re wrong, BYD had out innovated them and will ∴ out compete them. They simply make better cars at a better price.
the idea that masses of cars will be manufactured at European costs and exported to South America is a bit far fetched? the likes of stellantis and VW already have factories there to serve those markets.
European brands are all over the place in Brazil, Renaults, Fiats, Volkswagens, mostly the cheap crap end of the market,after the European brands, it's Hyundai and Chevrolet, but there are Chinese brands in Brazil, beyond BYD, Omado, Chery Jaeeco, stuff I haven't seen in Europe yet, and they are selling, they look and feel much better than the cheap European crap, better specced, better built. I'm not surprised the Europeans are worried, btw these are European brands, but they are not the same as the cars you see in Europe, they are built in Brazil, they are cheap and nasty.
They’re wrong, BYD had out innovated them and will ∴ out compete them
That's true, but the answer to that conundrum is more free trade, not less.
It'd advantage us all to be able to buy BYD cars without tariffs and restrictions, in the same way it'll advantage us to buy Mercosur goods without tariffs and restrictions.
The uncompetitiveness of European car manufacturers is in part due to the same thing you want for European farmers: protection from competition.
Farming and cars are very different and a lot of these online notions that farmers should be treated the exact same as any other business largely stem from ignorance. Leave farming purely to the free market and we'd see surges some years in praces and collapses other years. Farmers would have to squeeze absolutely everything out of a good year because the next could bring them to bankruptcy. Farmers are also price takers, heavily bound to regulation and therefore limited. Car manufacturers can increase production or whatever if they'd like.
Honestly I would imagine most tariffs being dropped are probably beneficial in this agreement but the undercutting of European farming is a big red flag.
I don't understand why this sub and r/Ireland get so laissez-faire when it comes to farmers when it is a topic a bit like health care that needs to be protected.
We don't and we won't. We have and will continue to have eye-watering industry supports, €387bn over six years currently.
Besides, in 2024 Irish beef farmers produced enough to meet Ireland's demand seven times over and output prices are now way above input costs. I think they're doing fine on production.
Its not just production its what farmers are getting. Farmers getting a good year on prices doesn't mean shit like i said. Its a very volatile industry where input costs can easily jump and prices farmers get can sink badly. Too many components and an exodus from our farmers in an awful year would devastate Ireland and likely Europe if there was an EU wide freeing of the market.
Again its an industry we can't just leave fully to the market.
Maybe Fianna Fáil really does belong in Renew after all.
It's Ireland's version of the Iowa car crop. There are two ways for us to make beef: by raising cattle in our fields or by manufacturing it in a pharmaceutical plant in Kinsale.
Still think in current world dynamics, it is good for EU to get closer economics allies that are not USA China Israel or Russia, specially one that have other commodities, like iron, steel and rubber, which may be useful in case some of the others decide is war time, as is looking like more probable by the day.
honestly i dont care if germany cant sell cars to brazil , i only care about food standards and the futher wreaking to the environment this deal dose
Mercosur is so obviously an attempt to save the German car industry. The same German car industry that has failed to / refused to innovate in 10 years now, which has allowed BYD to over take them.
They think that expanding into Brazil (at the expense of the European agricultural market) is a substitute for innovation.
They’re wrong, BYD had out innovated them and will ∴ out compete them. They simply make better cars at a better price.
the idea that masses of cars will be manufactured at European costs and exported to South America is a bit far fetched? the likes of stellantis and VW already have factories there to serve those markets.
Pharma and tech manufactured in Ireland otoh…
BYD cars are not well built, just cheap. A BMW ix3 seems like a fine car.... if you got the money for it.
European brands are all over the place in Brazil, Renaults, Fiats, Volkswagens, mostly the cheap crap end of the market,after the European brands, it's Hyundai and Chevrolet, but there are Chinese brands in Brazil, beyond BYD, Omado, Chery Jaeeco, stuff I haven't seen in Europe yet, and they are selling, they look and feel much better than the cheap European crap, better specced, better built. I'm not surprised the Europeans are worried, btw these are European brands, but they are not the same as the cars you see in Europe, they are built in Brazil, they are cheap and nasty.
That's true, but the answer to that conundrum is more free trade, not less.
It'd advantage us all to be able to buy BYD cars without tariffs and restrictions, in the same way it'll advantage us to buy Mercosur goods without tariffs and restrictions.
The uncompetitiveness of European car manufacturers is in part due to the same thing you want for European farmers: protection from competition.
Farming and cars are very different and a lot of these online notions that farmers should be treated the exact same as any other business largely stem from ignorance. Leave farming purely to the free market and we'd see surges some years in praces and collapses other years. Farmers would have to squeeze absolutely everything out of a good year because the next could bring them to bankruptcy. Farmers are also price takers, heavily bound to regulation and therefore limited. Car manufacturers can increase production or whatever if they'd like.
Honestly I would imagine most tariffs being dropped are probably beneficial in this agreement but the undercutting of European farming is a big red flag.
I don't understand why this sub and r/Ireland get so laissez-faire when it comes to farmers when it is a topic a bit like health care that needs to be protected.
We don't and we won't. We have and will continue to have eye-watering industry supports, €387bn over six years currently.
Besides, in 2024 Irish beef farmers produced enough to meet Ireland's demand seven times over and output prices are now way above input costs. I think they're doing fine on production.
Its not just production its what farmers are getting. Farmers getting a good year on prices doesn't mean shit like i said. Its a very volatile industry where input costs can easily jump and prices farmers get can sink badly. Too many components and an exodus from our farmers in an awful year would devastate Ireland and likely Europe if there was an EU wide freeing of the market.
Again its an industry we can't just leave fully to the market.
Becoming trade dependent on a hostile China wouldn’t advantage us all
Maybe Fianna Fáil really does belong in Renew after all.
It's Ireland's version of the Iowa car crop. There are two ways for us to make beef: by raising cattle in our fields or by manufacturing it in a pharmaceutical plant in Kinsale.
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/economics-at-its-best-the-story-of-the-iowa-car-crop/
Still think in current world dynamics, it is good for EU to get closer economics allies that are not USA China Israel or Russia, specially one that have other commodities, like iron, steel and rubber, which may be useful in case some of the others decide is war time, as is looking like more probable by the day.