I wasn't sure if OP was accusing the Greens of spoiling (Spoilers, Spoiler), or if he was saving me a click. In any event, I just wanted to express that I am in favour of everyone leaving the X platform.
They should've all stopped using it when they saw what elon musk was doing. They should've migrated to someplace like Bluesky instead. Now everyone is acting surprised that Grok is doing shit like this when this was always a problem with unregulated generative AI. Grok is the poster child for the harm AI can actually do to people.
It's beyond ridiculous that government and state bodies are still on it. Even 18 months ago, if you logged in you'd end up with porn and racism. Have to tell your teenager if they want updates about certain services they have to enter this place that's trying to drag you to the dark side
The problem really with bluesky when it launched was that all of the publishing apps weren't yet integrated, and the APIs (interface) for bluesky publishing/listening weren't nearly as rich as X, and would still be catching up.
Typically, your corporate or government social media account isn't logging into a bunch of social accounts, they will be using a platform like Hootsuite, Sprinklr, LiveSocial etc which you authorise against a whole bunch of social accounts. This lets you publish and manage social media campaigns centrally, pushing out content to multiple platforms. Secondly, it allows you to suck all that data back in to check that your messaging is all correct, and keeping a record/audit of who said what when, even if it was subsequently edited or deleted.
A whole ecosystem is built up around protecting company/organisation reputations online, and monitoring their social channels, so while a bunch of journalists and users might have run a good campaign to say 'hey, lets all go to threads/bluesky', it's actually quite a bit more curmudgeonly to move corporate/government posting to another channel - it needs parity of capability from your social media marketing platforms, and from the underlying social media platforms, before companies will think about it.
Even if those platforms have caught up, and have a good user base now, the ship has sailed on the post-Musk impetus to do something, and everyone fell back to needing a presence on X where the bulk of the user base is.
This isn't really an excuse, they could move any time if they want to, several politicians and official accounts moved a long time ago. And the list of reasons to leave X has only gotten longer, there doesn't need to be any "let's leave X campaign". As for the bulk of the userbase, that's highly debatable when X is filled with so many bots and it's much easier to find your target audience on Bluesky.
Compliance departments say otherwise on moving any time, depending on the industry or otherwise. If you have a regulatory/legal/policy requirement to monitor social accounts, you'll typically avoid platforms you can't monitor/trace.
In other words, serious companies and government organisations with serious requirements to capture employee communications (internal and external) will only sanction the use of platforms they can sniff and archive messages from.
Lots of end to end chat is encrypted, and governments are currently trying to force chat providers to open this up to sniffing, so they can monitor these chats. In the above US government chat, an Israeli company made a signal clone from their source code and were sending unencrypted copies of the messages to a database in the cloud.
X is a steaming cesspit, and I'd love for it to die, but advertising must still pay off there, and it's a valid way to communicate with customers. I still use it to DM customer service from time to time.
So there was some advanced compliance stuff missing, but the 3rd party ecosystem was a blocker for the reasons I outlined. Most orgs have handed off the publishing to Sprinklr, LiveSocial, Hootsuite and the likes, which offer integrated publishing, monitoring and archiving, e.g.
There are plenty of large corporations that have their own integrations, but that's the exception rather than the norm.
Nothing stopping a move now, but it would need another community user push, pressure from advertisers etc etc, and I feel like corporate america's push away from opposing current govt policy is a blocker.
A Europe move is entirely possible with the right political/community environment and otherwise. The torch needs a flame though.
I've said it before and will say it again: if Media Outlets - and I guess you could include other public entities with definitive mouthpieces like political parties - just stopped using Twitter, it'd kill the company in 12 months.
But IMO it's limping on through the sheer numbers generated by its existence as this ... breaking news, developing event outlet.
In Ireland at least it’s basically just a journo/politico feedback loop. Without them it loses a whole lot of relevance in the country. If government and politicians stop using it, there’s no need for media to be on there and report on discourse there.
Spoilers: it’s the Green Party
That's not a spoiler, that's leadership.
I'm a longtime critic of the Greens, but they deserve credit when it is due. Now we need more political parties,and Journos to follow.
They mean it's a spoiler on the content of the article.
What do you think they meant?
The poor dude obviously works in IT and is reading the colon as a delimiter for a key-value pair
I wasn't sure if OP was accusing the Greens of spoiling (Spoilers, Spoiler), or if he was saving me a click. In any event, I just wanted to express that I am in favour of everyone leaving the X platform.
I think it's a pun, based on a spoiler candidate. (they don't really exist here, due to STV)
I don't think so
They should've all stopped using it when they saw what elon musk was doing. They should've migrated to someplace like Bluesky instead. Now everyone is acting surprised that Grok is doing shit like this when this was always a problem with unregulated generative AI. Grok is the poster child for the harm AI can actually do to people.
It's beyond ridiculous that government and state bodies are still on it. Even 18 months ago, if you logged in you'd end up with porn and racism. Have to tell your teenager if they want updates about certain services they have to enter this place that's trying to drag you to the dark side
I was disappointed more didn't switch to Bluesky, or literally anything other than X and Meta apps, ages ago.
X and Meta apps are terrible but Bluesky is also terrible
It's nowhere near as bad as X and Meta but I haven't found a better alternative.
100% of the twitter user base who referred to it as “the tweet machine” are on Bluesky
The problem really with bluesky when it launched was that all of the publishing apps weren't yet integrated, and the APIs (interface) for bluesky publishing/listening weren't nearly as rich as X, and would still be catching up.
Typically, your corporate or government social media account isn't logging into a bunch of social accounts, they will be using a platform like Hootsuite, Sprinklr, LiveSocial etc which you authorise against a whole bunch of social accounts. This lets you publish and manage social media campaigns centrally, pushing out content to multiple platforms. Secondly, it allows you to suck all that data back in to check that your messaging is all correct, and keeping a record/audit of who said what when, even if it was subsequently edited or deleted.
A whole ecosystem is built up around protecting company/organisation reputations online, and monitoring their social channels, so while a bunch of journalists and users might have run a good campaign to say 'hey, lets all go to threads/bluesky', it's actually quite a bit more curmudgeonly to move corporate/government posting to another channel - it needs parity of capability from your social media marketing platforms, and from the underlying social media platforms, before companies will think about it.
Even if those platforms have caught up, and have a good user base now, the ship has sailed on the post-Musk impetus to do something, and everyone fell back to needing a presence on X where the bulk of the user base is.
This isn't really an excuse, they could move any time if they want to, several politicians and official accounts moved a long time ago. And the list of reasons to leave X has only gotten longer, there doesn't need to be any "let's leave X campaign". As for the bulk of the userbase, that's highly debatable when X is filled with so many bots and it's much easier to find your target audience on Bluesky.
Compliance departments say otherwise on moving any time, depending on the industry or otherwise. If you have a regulatory/legal/policy requirement to monitor social accounts, you'll typically avoid platforms you can't monitor/trace.
The same applies to internal chats. Depending on your role in an organisation, your company might also being keeping an archive of everything you say on Teams/Zoom or similar. There's even a push towards capturing mobile messages - there was already a fairly high profile hack of an archive solution for the US government last year: Exclusive: Hacker who breached communications app used by Trump aide stole data from across US government | Reuters
And it's coming soon to workphones too: Android RCS message archival is coming to Pixel
In other words, serious companies and government organisations with serious requirements to capture employee communications (internal and external) will only sanction the use of platforms they can sniff and archive messages from.
Lots of end to end chat is encrypted, and governments are currently trying to force chat providers to open this up to sniffing, so they can monitor these chats. In the above US government chat, an Israeli company made a signal clone from their source code and were sending unencrypted copies of the messages to a database in the cloud.
X is a steaming cesspit, and I'd love for it to die, but advertising must still pay off there, and it's a valid way to communicate with customers. I still use it to DM customer service from time to time.
That's on the third party services. Bluesky has APIs out the wazoo, even in the early days. People have done more stuff with them now, to be fair.
I don't know if an exact replica of twitter's API existed at launch though.
So there was some advanced compliance stuff missing, but the 3rd party ecosystem was a blocker for the reasons I outlined. Most orgs have handed off the publishing to Sprinklr, LiveSocial, Hootsuite and the likes, which offer integrated publishing, monitoring and archiving, e.g.
Social media archiving: How government and regulated industries stay compliant
There are plenty of large corporations that have their own integrations, but that's the exception rather than the norm.
Nothing stopping a move now, but it would need another community user push, pressure from advertisers etc etc, and I feel like corporate america's push away from opposing current govt policy is a blocker.
A Europe move is entirely possible with the right political/community environment and otherwise. The torch needs a flame though.
I've said it before and will say it again: if Media Outlets - and I guess you could include other public entities with definitive mouthpieces like political parties - just stopped using Twitter, it'd kill the company in 12 months.
But IMO it's limping on through the sheer numbers generated by its existence as this ... breaking news, developing event outlet.
In Ireland at least it’s basically just a journo/politico feedback loop. Without them it loses a whole lot of relevance in the country. If government and politicians stop using it, there’s no need for media to be on there and report on discourse there.
Hopefully the EU commission sees sense and straight out bans X from the EU.
https://www.greenparty.ie/people/roderic-ogorman
If you go to the Greens website they are still linking from their members profiles to X.
Hazel Chu was posting on it yesterday.
They probably haven't updated the website, send them an email about it sure.
Fair play to them but easier to do with only 1 TD
If the rest of the party (councillors like Chu, etc) don't follow on its just Roderic who deserves credit.