Good. I hope it does. And I hope everyone remembers just how horrendous FFG proved to be without a minor party to make actual suggestions (for FFG to be given all the credit for) while acting as a mudguard for our national media to throw any blame for misgivings at.
That said, if people sit on their arses and don't vote again it won't make a blind bit of difference.
Apparently this makes you look bad in Europe and the establishment are clutching pearls a bit. Wouldnt be in FG or FF's nature to upset the political masters at the Commission.
The loss of any Independent TDs would be a major hit to the Government's already razor-thin majority
Government has a majority of 12 TDs. How that’s razor thin I don’t know.
This is really sensationalist headline. Like the thing can pass anyway even if Ireland votes no. So why would the government lose the independents when Ireland can vote against it anyway
On paper you are of course correct, but the arithmetic of the Dáil is always blurred by the sheer volume of FFers who we elect as independents because they didn't get the party nomination.
Much like the govt itself on Mercosur, they're happy to pretend to oppose something and register a meaningless protest vote against a formality when it doesn't matter anyway. When it matters, though, they know what side their bread is buttered on.
Lowry has backed FG for the past 30 years, formalising it 12 months ago didn't really change anything and any pretend fallout over mercosur won't change it either.
Half of Independent Ireland's TDs are FFers, along with the Healy Raes, Boxer Moran and Mattie McGrath. Along with Lowry, Gillian Toole and Verona Murphy are blueshirts, both of whom only left because they were too right wing for FG. Grealish was a PD, which essentially makes him another FFer.
Not one of them is voting no confidence in an FF/FG coalition. Why would parish pump rural independents want to bring on an election that could a) cost them their seat and their ticket on the gravy train, or b) bring about a SF government (however unlikely either outcome might be).
The only governments to lose 7 TDs or more in the last 50 years were the FF-Green Gov that was there when the recession kicked off and FG-Lab one that followed it and implemented austerity.
Never going to happen. If it'll pass anyway, the government are in the lovely position of being able to vote against it, pretend they opposed it and carry on.
Even if the government did vote for it, the regional independents would just join their fellow regional independents on the opposition benches, make a song and dance for the cameras, and continue to vote with the government.
This is nonsense isn’t it.
Ireland will vote against it but it will pass probably.
So the independents then collapse the government because…. ?
Then Sinn Fein get in and decrease support to Farmers ( I’m neither agreeing or disagreeing with that) and the independents lose their seats…?
Why would these folks commit political suicide?
Seems like a bizarre opposition fantasy here with little reality..
If you see a headline that you like maybe treat it more suspiciously then one you don’t..
Confirmation bias is a bitch..
The entire Dáil coalescing around a single position, from People Before Profit to Independent Ireland, and of course it's a duff one.
There are people in government and beyond who should be considering that there's nothing but paper between themselves and Trump's protectionist trade policy when the chips are down.
Finally some good news
We must continue to monitor the situation with concern. And then approve some random public spending in Tipperary and Kerry for no apparent reason.
Good. I hope it does. And I hope everyone remembers just how horrendous FFG proved to be without a minor party to make actual suggestions (for FFG to be given all the credit for) while acting as a mudguard for our national media to throw any blame for misgivings at.
That said, if people sit on their arses and don't vote again it won't make a blind bit of difference.
I presume the government will vote against it if they are sure it is anyway going to pass - they will not use their vote to actually block it
Apparently this makes you look bad in Europe and the establishment are clutching pearls a bit. Wouldnt be in FG or FF's nature to upset the political masters at the Commission.
Yeah gotta wait for the "vaporise Ireland" vote, just in case we use up all our political capital before then.
AFAIK, France are still opposed, which is the main reason it's been stalled until now.
We could only dream
Government has a majority of 12 TDs. How that’s razor thin I don’t know.
This is really sensationalist headline. Like the thing can pass anyway even if Ireland votes no. So why would the government lose the independents when Ireland can vote against it anyway
Every defection reduces your majority by two, so if seven Rural Independents jump ship, they'd lose a vote of confidence.
On paper you are of course correct, but the arithmetic of the Dáil is always blurred by the sheer volume of FFers who we elect as independents because they didn't get the party nomination.
Much like the govt itself on Mercosur, they're happy to pretend to oppose something and register a meaningless protest vote against a formality when it doesn't matter anyway. When it matters, though, they know what side their bread is buttered on.
Lowry has backed FG for the past 30 years, formalising it 12 months ago didn't really change anything and any pretend fallout over mercosur won't change it either.
Half of Independent Ireland's TDs are FFers, along with the Healy Raes, Boxer Moran and Mattie McGrath. Along with Lowry, Gillian Toole and Verona Murphy are blueshirts, both of whom only left because they were too right wing for FG. Grealish was a PD, which essentially makes him another FFer.
Not one of them is voting no confidence in an FF/FG coalition. Why would parish pump rural independents want to bring on an election that could a) cost them their seat and their ticket on the gravy train, or b) bring about a SF government (however unlikely either outcome might be).
The only governments to lose 7 TDs or more in the last 50 years were the FF-Green Gov that was there when the recession kicked off and FG-Lab one that followed it and implemented austerity.
I don’t think this quite reaches those levels
Never going to happen. If it'll pass anyway, the government are in the lovely position of being able to vote against it, pretend they opposed it and carry on.
Even if the government did vote for it, the regional independents would just join their fellow regional independents on the opposition benches, make a song and dance for the cameras, and continue to vote with the government.
This is nonsense isn’t it. Ireland will vote against it but it will pass probably. So the independents then collapse the government because…. ? Then Sinn Fein get in and decrease support to Farmers ( I’m neither agreeing or disagreeing with that) and the independents lose their seats…? Why would these folks commit political suicide? Seems like a bizarre opposition fantasy here with little reality.. If you see a headline that you like maybe treat it more suspiciously then one you don’t.. Confirmation bias is a bitch..
Healy Rae is corrupt
When you are in government you have to make hard choices. A reminder for anyone who fancies a go in power.
Hard choices sure, but you don't have to make bad ones
The entire Dáil coalescing around a single position, from People Before Profit to Independent Ireland, and of course it's a duff one.
There are people in government and beyond who should be considering that there's nothing but paper between themselves and Trump's protectionist trade policy when the chips are down.