Their 2030 goal I believe was hit peak emissions though, wasn't it? They are indeed going crazy on renewables but they are also still building coal plants etc, so not sure they are the perfect example of who to follow to cut emissions in half.
Their overall power consumption is increasing.
The share of coal power is decreasing
They are closing older less efficient coal plants and replacing them with newer plants.
Its a gradual shift taking place in a country that is rapidly expanding green energy at the same time as rabidly expanding total energy consumption.
Wr had a higher base (we are 10 tonnes per person, china is 9), so it was easier for us to cut emissions than China. They have the same problem as us; much of their emissions are for exports from a small sector of industry for exports. They will find it easier to decarbonise steel etc., than we will cattle & sheep.
There's nothing bad faith about my reply, I'm just highly surprised that people are praising China for meeting an extremely tame goal and claiming Ireland should get guidance from them, when Ireland are far ahead of China in emission reductions. The EU set far more aggressive targets than China.
We are geographically in an amazing position to produce much of our energy from renewables. So many resources can be pulled from here. We just can't seem to get our shit together.
A brilliant reason why we should’ve invested in nuclear fifty years ago.
We were going to get nuclear for energy independence after the oil price crisis but ended up with Moneypoint.
After this in the 1990s a certain party now mythologized (the Greens) implemented a ban on nuclear power preventing any construction or use of a nuclear power plant on the island of Ireland
Fuck Nuclear, we can actually get everything we need from real clean energy that we take from and don't have to produce, and produce toxic waste that lasts forever.
we can actually get everything we need from real clean energy
Not really, unless we suddenly see a massive leap forward in battery technology. Until then we still need baseload generation which we'll still need gas and coal for.
Nuclear is real clean and more reliable for base load power. Spent fuel can be recycled and radioactive waste can be buried underground in casks where it can stay and wont be touched.
We would need to invest a whole lot more in the supplementary infrastructure to fully rely on renewable, which we dont have at the moment, so for now we're still relying on fossil fuels.
What holes? I wouldn't trust the government here to do it in any sort of cost effective manner but thats not a criticism of the technology. The technology has been proven to work and can be done safely for the past 60 ish years.
"Spent fuel can be recycled and radioactive waste can be buried underground in casks where it can stay and wont be touched."
These two things are not true.
It can't be recycled.
It won't be touched for generations so it's not your problem but a humanity living thousands if years after us it could be a huge problem for them.
Especially since we don't have infinite space to store this stuff.
We have to get out of the mindset of leaving our shit behind for someone else to deal with.
Loser below me has me blocked so obviously they don't want to see anything outside of their view really.
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"Like some YouTube video means sweet f all. Go work with yourself. I wasn't even reply to you recently."
"Spent fuel can be recycled and radioactive waste can be buried underground in casks where it can stay and wont be touched." These two things are not true.
Okay I was willing to work with you but your comment from two days ago is just rude and this one is also lies, if you're going to make up something at least choose a topic that takes three words to find a reputable result for
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We still burn coal, peat, and gas don’t we? We don’t have battery storage to keep all of that clean energy which is why nuclear would’ve been great for base load power
Renewables are provably out perperforning Nuclear already, we do have good battery storage solutions already actually and this conversation about Nuclear is pointless now.
You believe it should have happened 20 years ago, it didn't and there is no going back. It is very much not a viable solution now so there is no point in even talking about it. We can have wind turbines and other options set up within 5 years. A Nuclear power plant won't get planning permission for anyone's back yard, the waste storage won't get planning permission for anyone's backyard because it's not actually a clean energy source. It will cost an astronomical amount to build if it did get permission and that's only after the advisor fees.
It needs a tonne of cement to build, It would take decades to build so too little too late, this conversation is a non starter. So give it up already.
Yeah there’s no point now, it would take at least ten years to build and by then we’d already have phased out fossil fuels (hopefully not sure given this government), it would’ve been nice thirty years ago but alas
Plus the fact our government can't build a metro on time. It would be the biggest waste of our money in history and that's saying something with the children's hospital still being built.
Why would you trust it would be run safely here either. I think we dodged a bullet with thiss, to be honest.
ETA: couldn't find anything that specifically it was the Greens who were against it, a lot of people and parties were back then.
Targets are meaningless with this government. Whether its emissions or housing its all just hot air (no pun intended). I don't want to hear praise about targets ever again, results only.
Sure it's grand, by the time they get round to collecting those fines Darragh won't be in government anymore. Maybe we can even talk them out of it, maybe Dublin will be under water already. #sarcasm
China surpassed it's 2030 goals in 2024. Martin ought to ask for a bit of a hand when he is over there visiting.
Wasn't China's goal just to stop increasing emissions and hit a peak?
That's a bit different than halving them in 12 years.
Nah, not just that, they're going crazy on the renewables.
https://www.bruegel.org/newsletter/different-routes-decarbonisation-eu-carbon-pricing-versus-chinas-green-tech
Their 2030 goal I believe was hit peak emissions though, wasn't it? They are indeed going crazy on renewables but they are also still building coal plants etc, so not sure they are the perfect example of who to follow to cut emissions in half.
Their overall power consumption is increasing.
The share of coal power is decreasing
They are closing older less efficient coal plants and replacing them with newer plants.
Its a gradual shift taking place in a country that is rapidly expanding green energy at the same time as rabidly expanding total energy consumption.
Maybe learn about setting achievable goals then?
Using that logic shouldn't Ireland have set the same goal as China then, and we could say we were smashing it?
Wr had a higher base (we are 10 tonnes per person, china is 9), so it was easier for us to cut emissions than China. They have the same problem as us; much of their emissions are for exports from a small sector of industry for exports. They will find it easier to decarbonise steel etc., than we will cattle & sheep.
Sorry maybe I should have said reasonable and achievable goals. I just didn't expect a bad faith reply.
There's nothing bad faith about my reply, I'm just highly surprised that people are praising China for meeting an extremely tame goal and claiming Ireland should get guidance from them, when Ireland are far ahead of China in emission reductions. The EU set far more aggressive targets than China.
America just invaded Venezuela for oil, this is now about more than climate targets, this is about energy independence.
An important reason why LNG is such a silly thing to invest infrastructure in
We are geographically in an amazing position to produce much of our energy from renewables. So many resources can be pulled from here. We just can't seem to get our shit together.
call it energy sovereignty
100%, people love that shit.
A brilliant reason why we should’ve invested in nuclear fifty years ago.
We were going to get nuclear for energy independence after the oil price crisis but ended up with Moneypoint.
After this in the 1990s a certain party now mythologized (the Greens) implemented a ban on nuclear power preventing any construction or use of a nuclear power plant on the island of Ireland
Fuck Nuclear, we can actually get everything we need from real clean energy that we take from and don't have to produce, and produce toxic waste that lasts forever.
Not really, unless we suddenly see a massive leap forward in battery technology. Until then we still need baseload generation which we'll still need gas and coal for.
We already have good battery storage, you's are listening to anti renewable propaganda.
Nuclear is real clean and more reliable for base load power. Spent fuel can be recycled and radioactive waste can be buried underground in casks where it can stay and wont be touched.
We would need to invest a whole lot more in the supplementary infrastructure to fully rely on renewable, which we dont have at the moment, so for now we're still relying on fossil fuels.
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What holes? I wouldn't trust the government here to do it in any sort of cost effective manner but thats not a criticism of the technology. The technology has been proven to work and can be done safely for the past 60 ish years.
"Spent fuel can be recycled and radioactive waste can be buried underground in casks where it can stay and wont be touched." These two things are not true.
It can't be recycled.
It won't be touched for generations so it's not your problem but a humanity living thousands if years after us it could be a huge problem for them.
Especially since we don't have infinite space to store this stuff.
We have to get out of the mindset of leaving our shit behind for someone else to deal with.
Loser below me has me blocked so obviously they don't want to see anything outside of their view really.
Reply I would have sent.
"Like some YouTube video means sweet f all. Go work with yourself. I wasn't even reply to you recently."
Okay I was willing to work with you but your comment from two days ago is just rude and this one is also lies, if you're going to make up something at least choose a topic that takes three words to find a reputable result for
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We still burn coal, peat, and gas don’t we? We don’t have battery storage to keep all of that clean energy which is why nuclear would’ve been great for base load power
Renewables are provably out perperforning Nuclear already, we do have good battery storage solutions already actually and this conversation about Nuclear is pointless now.
You believe it should have happened 20 years ago, it didn't and there is no going back. It is very much not a viable solution now so there is no point in even talking about it. We can have wind turbines and other options set up within 5 years. A Nuclear power plant won't get planning permission for anyone's back yard, the waste storage won't get planning permission for anyone's backyard because it's not actually a clean energy source. It will cost an astronomical amount to build if it did get permission and that's only after the advisor fees.
It needs a tonne of cement to build, It would take decades to build so too little too late, this conversation is a non starter. So give it up already.
Yeah there’s no point now, it would take at least ten years to build and by then we’d already have phased out fossil fuels (hopefully not sure given this government), it would’ve been nice thirty years ago but alas
No it would take 20 years to build.
Plus the fact our government can't build a metro on time. It would be the biggest waste of our money in history and that's saying something with the children's hospital still being built.
Why would you trust it would be run safely here either. I think we dodged a bullet with thiss, to be honest.
ETA: couldn't find anything that specifically it was the Greens who were against it, a lot of people and parties were back then.
Then fucking do something about it Darragh.
Anyone who's voted for FFG, I hope you live a long long life and get to suffer alongside your grandchildren.
Bet the wish the could get rid of these targets aswell
You mean the targets, and fines, they willingly signed up to?? We are governed by idiots.
Targets are meaningless with this government. Whether its emissions or housing its all just hot air (no pun intended). I don't want to hear praise about targets ever again, results only.
Sure they are now refusing to disclose their annual housing targets 😂
Sure it's grand, by the time they get round to collecting those fines Darragh won't be in government anymore. Maybe we can even talk them out of it, maybe Dublin will be under water already. #sarcasm
Darragh has never hit a target in his life
Honestly NIMBYS strike again. Major wind farm off the coast of connemara was scraped due to local opposition as far as I understand.
Edit: Sceirde windfall withdrawal
More missed targets by government.....shocker
Unfortunately this is what people voted for.
We just gave farmers 3 more years of nitrates derogation. We don’t care about being serious about our largest emitting sector which is agriculture.
Have you tried doing less public transport projects? Maybe a LNG port will fix it.
They should never have signed up to those commitments in the first place, very irresponsible.
Economic suicide on many, many levels.
How would the government have gotten a nice little pat on the head from their EU counterparts though?