Facts. Immigration could help where we have deficits, but god forbid, global companies have their supply of labor used effectively for making the living standards go up instead of exploitable bswork that probs adds little productivity. (hapless 3 day course security guards come to mind)
No it shouldnt. People have been told 'lose your papers so you cant be sent back' as they leave, its a rumour that began somewhere and took off. Though as far as i know, its something that is dying away. The truth is you can be sent back and destroying your papers makes it harder not easier to have a claim for asylum in your favour.
However, if you're someone fleeing a country and you hear a rumour that "theres less chance of you being returned to the place you're running away from if you destroy your passport" you're obviously going to do it.
Why did you be free to move around the country you just arrived into under a cloud of fraud and deception. We have no idea who you are or if you're dangerous. The community has a right to expect that it will be protected from any potential risk.
You're a citizen or resident presumably. So yeah unsurprisingly you can move around your own country. Try and go to Canada without a passport, see how it goes. Or perhaps the US if you're really up for some adventure.
So can people who've been granted status. Free to move wherever they choose in the country.
If I went to Canada to claim asylum without documentation I can still do so. My claim will almost certainly be rejected but that's not because I have no documentation.
But I'll also let you know that they are vetted. It's part of the asylum process. Is it perfect? No. But they are vetted, before being granted status.
How are they vetted if they have no id. The government stated that 80% of asylum applicants were fraudulent. Go to Australia and claim asylum. See how that works out.
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"Following “various audits” of English language schools, of which there are more than 100, some schools were found to be “not actually really focused on providing education”
Who knew eh.
" Workers required for industries “probably shouldn’t be coming in the back door of the education system; it probably should be coming in the front door of the work visa system”.
If only we had some consistency in government. A party in place long enough to sort out these longitudinal problems. We can only hope and pray.
"He said there was “definitely” a shift in the Government position on immigration. He supports “value added” immigration, when people contribute to the workforce and fill a skills gap, and international protection, when people escape desperate circumstances and persecution"
Did somebody in head office read a book about immigration policy. What was the previous understanding of immigration policy. Did they not understand that it's a little different to tourism.
“The difficulty is, when you have people that are neither those things, and they’re sort of coming as an economic migrant, in a case where maybe they don’t particularly need it, or people are coming to take advantage of a system that was maybe a little bit overly generous at the outset,” he said"
It's not only the English language schools, masters courses in this country are full of people that academically would not qualify yet they get on it because they pay high fees.
There are also moral issues about educational funding. Very few poor people make it through to 3rd Level education so the main justification and objective of free 3rd level education failed.
Your take is odd, everywhere in the world where higher education is free or heavily subsidies sees working class people achieve and overcome the barriers set up by “upper classes” to keep their nepotistic power.
Edit: comments all deleted by user. Guess he saw logic and realised education is good.
We know it didn't work in Ireland. Your point is mental. Free third-level education became a subsidy for the middle-classes and did nothing for the actually poor.
But why would the poor not be accessing it? Ah due to lack of education at primary and secondary lvl! Ofcourse! Which means the answer is to invest more in those sectors too.
Education is the best and only way to improve quality of life without having to have a population hooked on the dole.
But conservative politicians love having a population that is dependent on the state
Common sense of course. It was allowed go on unchecked as it did because the right people were making money hand over fist from it
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But now the cracks are showing in crime and housing and the ineffective systems are failing society in general. We're a banana republic, a runaway lunatic state. There's no longer denial of these issues, plain to see.
He'd have been rounded upon as racist by most Irish. redditors a Yr ago.... Still a decent amount still think such realistic thinking is.
Yep, all the right people were greased nicely! Many millions were passed out.
Now the dogs on the street see the con and there's palpable anger over it and ordinary people are no longer afraid to call it straight.
"probably... sort of... maybe... maybe a little bit..."
Does such passive language irritate anyone else? There's no conviction or confidence in the point he's trying to make. It's like he's afraid of pissing somebody off. The 'soft touch' reputation comes from appearing to be easily persuadable or taken advantage of, and weak language won't help to dispell it.
"It probably should be coming in the front door of the work visa system..." but if not, you know, if that's inconvenient for you, it's fine...
The dogs on the street knew that, and a lot of the rise in certain factions is due to the government's inability or unwillingness to do anything before the cart and horse had bolted
Sadly the same identical thing happened in Canada. It's really saddening that both the politicians and education sector were in cahoots in selling out the country.
James has been putting out some bangers the last few days. I wonder is he sweating about his comments on who actually controls the Irish housing market..
He has admitted that we arent in control of our own housing market.
And sure look.... we all know we're soft on immigration. Literally, people all over the world know we're soft on immigration. James Lawless is a fuckin clown
Soft on immigration , crime and benefits . Hard on working class people , soft on politicians ( Holidays , expenses , being utterly useless and corrupt )
Politicians work insane hours and deal with far more grief than the average job. It's a very tough job that deserves to be paid well, especially since low pay discourages working class people form entering politics and encourages corruption.
Not sure what your issue is. Politicians in the UK used to be paid next to nothing to ensure that only independently wealthy people could afford to enter politics. Salaries were specifically introduced to make it more accessible to working people.
As for corruption, I thought that was common sense. If you have low salaries for roles that are open to money making through back handers of course you're going to discourage hard working honest people and encourage corrupt people who see the opportunity to make money illegally.
Maddening, though, that they're just changing track without acknowledging their culpability. And where is the press to ask, 'If you admit Ireland was a soft touch, whose fault was that?' Instead they are amplifying hysterical left-wing criticism.
He said there was “definitely” a shift in the Government position on immigration. He supports “value added” immigration, when people contribute to the workforce and fill a skills gap, and international protection, when people escape desperate circumstances and persecution.
“The difficulty is, when you have people that are neither those things, and they’re sort of coming as an economic migrant, in a case where maybe they don’t particularly need it, or people are coming to take advantage of a system that was maybe a little bit overly generous at the outset,” he said
Student visas are a large problem with them. They’re enrolling in visa mill colleges simply to get to get the student visa. Ireland is I think one of the only countries in Europe that allows people to work on student visas. If they stop this the problem should go away
If those half a million people come here legally and obviously contribute to society considering they are able to buy a house. I dont see a problem here, you seem to have a problem for some reason.
I remember one time when I was travelling a lot, I decided to just walk through passport control to see what would happen. The guy sees me walk past and goes "Irish?" and I responded "Yep" and that was it, I just strolled on through.
I saw an Irish woman refused entry on to a fight from London to Dublin because they would not accept her Irish driving licence as identification. Meanwhile
They must think it is politically advantageous to placate the anti-immigrant lot for the next few years to get ahead of the next election...or maybe Steve Bannon and his crew are in turning the cogs at the top level already. Assumed they would be working in the shadows with the likes the Irish Freedom Party and the fringe to build them up over time but maybe they don't want to play the long game.
Remarkable that a minister for a party who has been in government for years is now saying x, y and z are the issue as though it wasn't his government that is responsible.
They started amplifying far-right talking points straight after the presidential election. Easier to accelerate the rise of a fascist party here rather than address any problems.
Yess the pressing issue of immigration in Ireland, not the shitty housing market or the abysmal infrastructure. Lets get this straight, a bunch of racists protested against immigrants so this government is panicking for their seats. Another load of nothing burger.
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Facts. Immigration could help where we have deficits, but god forbid, global companies have their supply of labor used effectively for making the living standards go up instead of exploitable bswork that probs adds little productivity. (hapless 3 day course security guards come to mind)
And training people to do it. Actual training courses not a two day Safe Pass. So they become something other than a Deliveroo driver.
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That should be a trip to detention from the get go.
No it shouldnt. People have been told 'lose your papers so you cant be sent back' as they leave, its a rumour that began somewhere and took off. Though as far as i know, its something that is dying away. The truth is you can be sent back and destroying your papers makes it harder not easier to have a claim for asylum in your favour.
However, if you're someone fleeing a country and you hear a rumour that "theres less chance of you being returned to the place you're running away from if you destroy your passport" you're obviously going to do it.
Why did you be free to move around the country you just arrived into under a cloud of fraud and deception. We have no idea who you are or if you're dangerous. The community has a right to expect that it will be protected from any potential risk.
Does that only go for asylum seekers or does it go for everyone?
Cos I moved from Roscommon to limerick to Clare and no one checked who I was or if I was dangerous.
You're a citizen or resident presumably. So yeah unsurprisingly you can move around your own country. Try and go to Canada without a passport, see how it goes. Or perhaps the US if you're really up for some adventure.
So can people who've been granted status. Free to move wherever they choose in the country.
If I went to Canada to claim asylum without documentation I can still do so. My claim will almost certainly be rejected but that's not because I have no documentation.
But I'll also let you know that they are vetted. It's part of the asylum process. Is it perfect? No. But they are vetted, before being granted status.
How are they vetted if they have no id. The government stated that 80% of asylum applicants were fraudulent. Go to Australia and claim asylum. See how that works out.
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"Following “various audits” of English language schools, of which there are more than 100, some schools were found to be “not actually really focused on providing education”
Who knew eh.
" Workers required for industries “probably shouldn’t be coming in the back door of the education system; it probably should be coming in the front door of the work visa system”.
If only we had some consistency in government. A party in place long enough to sort out these longitudinal problems. We can only hope and pray.
"He said there was “definitely” a shift in the Government position on immigration. He supports “value added” immigration, when people contribute to the workforce and fill a skills gap, and international protection, when people escape desperate circumstances and persecution"
Did somebody in head office read a book about immigration policy. What was the previous understanding of immigration policy. Did they not understand that it's a little different to tourism.
“The difficulty is, when you have people that are neither those things, and they’re sort of coming as an economic migrant, in a case where maybe they don’t particularly need it, or people are coming to take advantage of a system that was maybe a little bit overly generous at the outset,” he said"
This lad is switched on.
It's not only the English language schools, masters courses in this country are full of people that academically would not qualify yet they get on it because they pay high fees.
Maybe the govt should step in and fund universities better so that Irish citizens can get the qualifications Ireland needs?
Like they used to.
Yes, same happened in the U.K., right wing conservatives got involved and defunded education.
Not enough people are smart enough to be doctors.
There are also moral issues about educational funding. Very few poor people make it through to 3rd Level education so the main justification and objective of free 3rd level education failed.
Somehow we have created a set of circumstances where our "smart" medical staff are leaving the country in their droves.
Voters don't want that to end.
…. You May not be smart enough to get into higher education but many can. And should.
What an odd take.
Your take is odd, everywhere in the world where higher education is free or heavily subsidies sees working class people achieve and overcome the barriers set up by “upper classes” to keep their nepotistic power.
Edit: comments all deleted by user. Guess he saw logic and realised education is good.
We know it didn't work in Ireland. Your point is mental. Free third-level education became a subsidy for the middle-classes and did nothing for the actually poor.
You'd need to be very selfish to deny that.
But why would the poor not be accessing it? Ah due to lack of education at primary and secondary lvl! Ofcourse! Which means the answer is to invest more in those sectors too.
Education is the best and only way to improve quality of life without having to have a population hooked on the dole.
But conservative politicians love having a population that is dependent on the state
So you're now admitted I'm right. Well done.
Common sense of course. It was allowed go on unchecked as it did because the right people were making money hand over fist from it . But now the cracks are showing in crime and housing and the ineffective systems are failing society in general. We're a banana republic, a runaway lunatic state. There's no longer denial of these issues, plain to see.
He'd have been rounded upon as racist by most Irish. redditors a Yr ago.... Still a decent amount still think such realistic thinking is.
Banty the billionaire and all the other old boys making a fortune out of other people's misery.
Yep, all the right people were greased nicely! Many millions were passed out. Now the dogs on the street see the con and there's palpable anger over it and ordinary people are no longer afraid to call it straight.
"probably... sort of... maybe... maybe a little bit..."
Does such passive language irritate anyone else? There's no conviction or confidence in the point he's trying to make. It's like he's afraid of pissing somebody off. The 'soft touch' reputation comes from appearing to be easily persuadable or taken advantage of, and weak language won't help to dispell it.
"It probably should be coming in the front door of the work visa system..." but if not, you know, if that's inconvenient for you, it's fine...
Of course
The dogs on the street knew that, and a lot of the rise in certain factions is due to the government's inability or unwillingness to do anything before the cart and horse had bolted
Was? Has something actually changed in the meantime?
Yes. Ireland has been changing the requirements
Sadly the same identical thing happened in Canada. It's really saddening that both the politicians and education sector were in cahoots in selling out the country.
Same in Australia
Maybe the people who allowed these 'schools' to operate openly should be held to account for their ineptitude
James has been putting out some bangers the last few days. I wonder is he sweating about his comments on who actually controls the Irish housing market..
He has admitted that we arent in control of our own housing market.
And sure look.... we all know we're soft on immigration. Literally, people all over the world know we're soft on immigration. James Lawless is a fuckin clown
For the uninformed, what comments were these?
And still is.
Amend to “is”
Still is though, in many ways.
Soft on immigration , crime and benefits . Hard on working class people , soft on politicians ( Holidays , expenses , being utterly useless and corrupt )
Politicians work insane hours and deal with far more grief than the average job. It's a very tough job that deserves to be paid well, especially since low pay discourages working class people form entering politics and encourages corruption.
Oh i was with you right up until the last comment, way to drop the ball spectacularly.
Not sure what your issue is. Politicians in the UK used to be paid next to nothing to ensure that only independently wealthy people could afford to enter politics. Salaries were specifically introduced to make it more accessible to working people.
As for corruption, I thought that was common sense. If you have low salaries for roles that are open to money making through back handers of course you're going to discourage hard working honest people and encourage corrupt people who see the opportunity to make money illegally.
No shit Columbo!
The times they sure are a changin'.
Maddening, though, that they're just changing track without acknowledging their culpability. And where is the press to ask, 'If you admit Ireland was a soft touch, whose fault was that?' Instead they are amplifying hysterical left-wing criticism.
Mr "Lawless" you couldn't make it up.
Strange headline
Hasn't got the memo, facts are racist.
I think they charged the headline
Let’s say it out loud - it’s a certain large country which sends a lot of immigrants globally.
There is way too many of them - like 50-100k too many. And they are not filling essential roles as mostly i see them working in supermacs and dunnes.
Student visas are a large problem with them. They’re enrolling in visa mill colleges simply to get to get the student visa. Ireland is I think one of the only countries in Europe that allows people to work on student visas. If they stop this the problem should go away
My city has gone under a transformation practically overnight. There is times i may go outside and wonder am I really in Ireland or said nation.
Then there’s a local new build estate - 50% of houses were sold to this group too. irish housing crisis?
So before selling a house the bank should ask ethnicity and check if you are of a certain colour before signing off ?
We went from illegal immigrants to " this group in general" real quick.
I never said illegal immigrants moron. And it’s not because of their origin or creed either. It’s the number.
If 500,000 Jesus’ of Nazareth’s arrived in Dublin port tomorrow it would still be an issue. We don’t have the capacity.
If those half a million people come here legally and obviously contribute to society considering they are able to buy a house. I dont see a problem here, you seem to have a problem for some reason.
You don’t seem to understand basic economic principles like supply and demand.
You are only allowed part time and the number of diploma mills is way low compared to places like Canada.
Say out loud but don’t say it at the same time 🤣
Yess here comes the basement dwellers.
I’ve probably ridden your brother or sister, catch up and ride mine.
I remember one time when I was travelling a lot, I decided to just walk through passport control to see what would happen. The guy sees me walk past and goes "Irish?" and I responded "Yep" and that was it, I just strolled on through.
I saw an Irish woman refused entry on to a fight from London to Dublin because they would not accept her Irish driving licence as identification. Meanwhile
Ryanair?
Yep
Yep, they seem to have their own rules...
Does James Lawfull disagree
They must think it is politically advantageous to placate the anti-immigrant lot for the next few years to get ahead of the next election...or maybe Steve Bannon and his crew are in turning the cogs at the top level already. Assumed they would be working in the shadows with the likes the Irish Freedom Party and the fringe to build them up over time but maybe they don't want to play the long game.
Remarkable that a minister for a party who has been in government for years is now saying x, y and z are the issue as though it wasn't his government that is responsible.
There is a silent majority who are very angry about all this. The presidential election pricked their ears to this silent shout.
Ah, you're the lad who doesn't believe in climate change.
Smart man. Good opinions.
Climate change is a fact of nature. It's as old as the hills. You've got the wrong lady.
They started amplifying far-right talking points straight after the presidential election. Easier to accelerate the rise of a fascist party here rather than address any problems.
Would have thought it would be FG rushing more to the right but here we are!
Yess the pressing issue of immigration in Ireland, not the shitty housing market or the abysmal infrastructure. Lets get this straight, a bunch of racists protested against immigrants so this government is panicking for their seats. Another load of nothing burger.
He should watch 'Auf Wiedersehen, Pet' the TV show that explains how it's done.
Who?