Not sure its true anyway the Marinera never reached Venezuala but might explain why they still pursuing this tanker. Its an excuse for the US to play with their toys.
The vast majority of the stuff that flew to the UK went on to Germany, and you don't need the 160th SOAR for a tanker boarding, any random USN or USCG vessel can do it, even we managed to do it a few years back. I think its likely they'll board the thing but the stuff that arrived in the UK is in my opinion for Iran.
Yeah, and AC130s too, maybe like one of the C-17s was stuff for the tanker? Iirc some of it stayed in England, which is a logical place to stage a boarding op out of, unless we let them use Shannon for it or something, which seems incredibly unlikely
Transports going through Shannon on their way elsewhere and a special operation staging from the airport to capture a ship at sea are very very different things
Ac130s? Didn't see that. That would suggest to me it's not Iran then. They're far too vulnerable to air defences, of which Iran has plenty. And I doubt they'd be sending sof teams into Iran itself either. They tend to just bomb Iranian facilities. Maybe some kind of anti ISIS mission or something in Syria
Delusion. If the USA decides to do anything by air in Iran, those air defences are gone the minute the radar is switched on. Iran had zero response in June and Israel had total control over Iranian skies within hours.
Yes of course. But we would be seeing movements of b-2 bombers, f-35s and E/A-18s if that was the aim. What we're seeing is special forces helicopter units and very vulnerable ac130s. That suggests a target that is not guarded by air defence, and that won't be bombed, ie a capture or kill mission against a high profile terrorist target.
It's also very possible in the event of a large incursion into Iranian airspace a la Caracas that the B-2s will simply fly out of Missouri, and shorter range aircraft are already in theatre, its also entirely possible that they are running multiple ops, and the AC-130s are for some Syrian dude with no air defence and the SOAR is for Tehran, or something else entirely.
Does anyone know if theres a carrier in the gulf or in the Med rn?
Yes, the USS Gerald R Ford and it's strike group are in the Mediterranean at the moment. You could be right. Or the ac130s are part of a qrf for if things go badly for the sof teams
When Israel and the United States attacked Iran a few months ago, their air defences were wiped out so fast you had Israeli drones flying openly over Iranian cities for hours and nothing the Iranians could do about it.
Even assuming the Iranians have repaired/replaced those air defences, the Americans will know exactly where they are and will take them out just as fast if they go after the Iranian leadership.
Of course. But drones are a very different thing. They're small, and it doesn't really matter if you lose one. Ac130s are huge, slow cargo planes. Incredibly vulnerable to even the most basic AAA, and have a large crew as well. It's a very different matter to see one of those go down in flames on the news rather than losing a few drones.
It only shows ships that are broadcasting their position with a transponder, normal commercial and fishing vessels have to do this but the Marinera is trying to evade capture so it's turned it's transponder off
Trump, Rubio, Hegseth and Miller are hell bent on destroying the world order the US helped create over the last 80 years. An order that isn't theirs to destroy and which none of them earned the right to tamper with.
Trump earned that right when Americans decided theyd rather him than a black woman.
The rest of the world gets to reap that harvest.
The world order as we knew it is gone and even if somehow the US gets back to a semblance of normalcy we can never trust it again.
Its time Europe pulled on its big boy pants and realised that we are on our own now. That means we either pull together or become vassels separately.
the total opposite. they're approaching a neo fascist dictarship and we need to do everything to stop them from dragging the world into a dark period. we're all seemingly powerless to stop them though.
they're entering their empire land grab stage and seemingly can do what they like is what i meant. i was just making a joke how ireland's options for stopping americans running roughshod over international law in ireland's territory are limited as fuck.
next time they try it what would you suggest as a way to stop them? ireland is presently too weak to prevent them doing whatever they like over ireland is my point. we're all watching what's happening with america with a mixture of bewilderment and anger, but we can't find a way to stop them.
Conflicts have been ramping up everywhere, environmental damage, slave labour sweat shops brought to you by Temu, global shipping polution(deserves its own title) for the past 15 to 20 years or more!
Pull your head out of Trumpism US politics will ya. Jesus.
The liberal world order since the end of WW2 has largely seen conflicts between the world's largest and most powerful nations stop in favour of increased trade between countries. This depends on whether or not you view Korea as a powerful nation.
This is largely down to the US being happy as the world's most dominant country to police this geopolitcal system. The policing largely benefited us and people around the world who preferred it to the regime prior to this (Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Ireland and most of Eastern Europe)
Ireland has been one of the greatest beneficiaries of this world order in almost every conceivable way.
Regards your other comments, do you honestly believe there were better working conditions before the post WW2 consensus? Are you mad? Do you understand what most people did for work before the modern corporate-office workplace?
We are so unbelievably ignorant in this country sometimes. Temu? Global Shipping? these two things have helped pull close to a billion Chinese people out of poverty. Are you honestly saying global shipping is bad for people around the world? How do you think that a world with less global shipping would pan out for Ireland (you know, an island)?
The "liberal world order" didn't stop great power wars out of benevolence the US enforced it as hegemon, often brutally. Proxy wars, coups, and interventions exploded. I've already mentioned Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Vietnam, Indonesia, Congo. Millions died for "stability" on US terms.
Yeah Ireland prospered via EU/US ties. But the system runs on filthy bunker fuel (shipping emits more CO2 than Germany, with 1000 times the sulphur allowed on roads until recent IMO rules). Sweatshops, slavery in supply chains, mountains of plastics everywhere including our own bodies and externalised costs are baked in.
Temu-style shipping is the endpoint, endless growth, dump pollution and exploitation elsewhere.
Yes China lifted billions from poverty but not by needing tar-sludge ships choking the planet.
I'm not "mad" or nostalgic for pre WWII conditions, I reject the fairy tale that this order is sacred. It's power politics with massive flaws you're ignoring because questioning it might validate critics like Trump/Rubio.
You're seeming to think of this as some order as in nothing bad happened.
Bad stuff happened. But the so called rules based international order of western and western aligned nations has been a thing and you're jsut wrong in disagreeing with that.
My point was never that "nothing bad happened" or that the order doesn't exist. It was that this order isn't the pure, consistent system it's sometimes portrayed as. Bad stuff didn't just "happen" a lot of it was deliberately done in the name of maintaining that order, again coups against elected governments, support for dictators, proxy wars, and an economic model that externalised huge environmental and human costs.
So yeah, the order is real. But it's always been a power based system wearing "rules-based" clothing when convenient, and it deserves criticism without being labelled sacrilege. We probably value different parts of the balance sheet, but fair play, we both know it exists. No need to keep going round in circles on this one.
Truman Doctrine is Cold War containment, not some sacred global peace pact.
The ‘world order’ you’re mourning gave us Iraq, Libya, Vietnam. Spare me the nostalgia.
If it worked, why are wars multiplying under it?
Rules based for whom? Not Yemen. Not Gaza. Not Iraq.
You’re defending US dominance, not stability.
80 years of order doesn’t end in perpetual crisis by accident. If the system needs endless war to survive, it’s already dead.
By the way, calling my dissent ‘silly’ isn’t an argument, it’s a dodge. Why bother comment at all? None of this started with Trump or Hegseth it’s been grinding on for decades.
Promoting democracy by backing dictators is a strange definition of democracy.
In all seriousness though, Its a funny way to promote democracy... coups, death squads, and proxy wars.
If thats democracy, it needs tanks to survive also democracy doesn’t usually arrive via CIA cables.
Tell that to Chile, Iran, Guatemala.
It promoted alignment, not democracy.
Why are you so angry about a trivial point. The world order that exists in the world today was that created after WWII which was largely shaped by the US . Your tangental ranting and raving doesn't change that.
I'm not angry at all lol. Could it be that im actually interested in this subject? I'm just laying out historical facts that directly contradict your rosy view of the US shaped "world order." Calling my points tangential ranting and raving is just deflecting, it's what people do when they can't engage with the substance. If the point is so trivial why not address it head on instead of resorting to jabs?
The world order that exists in the world today was that created after WWII which was largely shaped by the US
Yes, the current world order was shaped in the aftermath of WWII, with the US playing a dominant role through institutions like the UN, IMF and NATO and policies like the Truman Doctrine aimed at containing communism.
But that shaping often prioritized geopolitical dominance and anti-communist alignment over consistent rules or democracy evidenced by US backed coups overthrowing elected governments in Iran 1953 Guatemala 1954 and Chile 1973 and support for dictators in places like South Vietnam and Zaire. This rules based order has frequently bent rules for power, fueling instability rather than universal stability.
This ship apparently came from Iran, headed towards Venezuela and turned back. Something very interesting must be onboard given the excessive US attention, and the Russians scrambling ships to meet it. Very odd.
This tanker is not sanctioned by the EU.
Apparently CBS are saying that Venezuela discussed putting defensive weapons on tankers. U.S. Special Ops Aircraft Arriving In UK Could Point To Looming Oil Tanker Boarding Operation
Not sure its true anyway the Marinera never reached Venezuala but might explain why they still pursuing this tanker. Its an excuse for the US to play with their toys.
The vast majority of the stuff that flew to the UK went on to Germany, and you don't need the 160th SOAR for a tanker boarding, any random USN or USCG vessel can do it, even we managed to do it a few years back. I think its likely they'll board the thing but the stuff that arrived in the UK is in my opinion for Iran.
Not just a small amount of SOAR either. It was ten Globemasters full of equipment . Definitely something bigger going down in the coming days.
Yeah, and AC130s too, maybe like one of the C-17s was stuff for the tanker? Iirc some of it stayed in England, which is a logical place to stage a boarding op out of, unless we let them use Shannon for it or something, which seems incredibly unlikely
You'd be surprised the number of military transports that go through shannon
Transports going through Shannon on their way elsewhere and a special operation staging from the airport to capture a ship at sea are very very different things
Ac130s? Didn't see that. That would suggest to me it's not Iran then. They're far too vulnerable to air defences, of which Iran has plenty. And I doubt they'd be sending sof teams into Iran itself either. They tend to just bomb Iranian facilities. Maybe some kind of anti ISIS mission or something in Syria
Delusion. If the USA decides to do anything by air in Iran, those air defences are gone the minute the radar is switched on. Iran had zero response in June and Israel had total control over Iranian skies within hours.
Yes of course. But we would be seeing movements of b-2 bombers, f-35s and E/A-18s if that was the aim. What we're seeing is special forces helicopter units and very vulnerable ac130s. That suggests a target that is not guarded by air defence, and that won't be bombed, ie a capture or kill mission against a high profile terrorist target.
It's also very possible in the event of a large incursion into Iranian airspace a la Caracas that the B-2s will simply fly out of Missouri, and shorter range aircraft are already in theatre, its also entirely possible that they are running multiple ops, and the AC-130s are for some Syrian dude with no air defence and the SOAR is for Tehran, or something else entirely.
Does anyone know if theres a carrier in the gulf or in the Med rn?
Yes, the USS Gerald R Ford and it's strike group are in the Mediterranean at the moment. You could be right. Or the ac130s are part of a qrf for if things go badly for the sof teams
Nah I think the Ford is in the Caribbean, I couldnt find any reference to any carriers in the middle east, but that doesn't mean they aren't there lol
EDIT: This could also just all be wrong lmao
When Israel and the United States attacked Iran a few months ago, their air defences were wiped out so fast you had Israeli drones flying openly over Iranian cities for hours and nothing the Iranians could do about it.
Even assuming the Iranians have repaired/replaced those air defences, the Americans will know exactly where they are and will take them out just as fast if they go after the Iranian leadership.
Of course. But drones are a very different thing. They're small, and it doesn't really matter if you lose one. Ac130s are huge, slow cargo planes. Incredibly vulnerable to even the most basic AAA, and have a large crew as well. It's a very different matter to see one of those go down in flames on the news rather than losing a few drones.
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Not even in our EEZ.
There's currently a P-8 over Cashel
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Anywhere know how to track this ship? Is there a flight radar for ships?
There's ship tracking websites like marinetraffic.com but you won't be able to see this ship on it
Ok thank you. Why would this ship not show? Would trackers be turned off or is it only some types that it tracks?
It only shows ships that are broadcasting their position with a transponder, normal commercial and fishing vessels have to do this but the Marinera is trying to evade capture so it's turned it's transponder off
Its turned them back on mid atlantic.
I think I read that it's spoofing it's location when the transponder is on
It a 'registered' 'Russian ship' why wouldn't it broadcast its location.
Must have forgotten to turn on the neutrality device that day.
Sure all we need to do is to but some fighter jets and we'll be able to defend ourselves from the US airforce
If we buy some F-35's, the Americans can turn them off before attacking us, which would save us the money of replacing them afterwards!
That's some big brain thinking
The ship has changed its flag to Russian and has been renamed
Honestly, that's hillarious. Like robbing someone's wallet, running around the corner and putting on glasses and a fake moustache.
Good auld Maverick
Trump, Rubio, Hegseth and Miller are hell bent on destroying the world order the US helped create over the last 80 years. An order that isn't theirs to destroy and which none of them earned the right to tamper with.
They are an unmitigated and unqualified disgrace.
They've been at this carry-on for the last 80 years. Only now that its being turned on Europe and not the global south have people started noticing.
When has the US been orderly?
Yeah, except it's a world order they cultivated just so they can do the disgusting shit they're pulling now
Trump earned that right when Americans decided theyd rather him than a black woman.
The rest of the world gets to reap that harvest. The world order as we knew it is gone and even if somehow the US gets back to a semblance of normalcy we can never trust it again. Its time Europe pulled on its big boy pants and realised that we are on our own now. That means we either pull together or become vassels separately.
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It is against both Irish and international law to fly through our airspace while on an active military operation. So yes
Best get the gardai out with a step ladder to shake their fists at them as they fly over next time then.
Really want to lick yank boots, do ya?
the total opposite. they're approaching a neo fascist dictarship and we need to do everything to stop them from dragging the world into a dark period. we're all seemingly powerless to stop them though.
they're entering their empire land grab stage and seemingly can do what they like is what i meant. i was just making a joke how ireland's options for stopping americans running roughshod over international law in ireland's territory are limited as fuck.
next time they try it what would you suggest as a way to stop them? ireland is presently too weak to prevent them doing whatever they like over ireland is my point. we're all watching what's happening with america with a mixture of bewilderment and anger, but we can't find a way to stop them.
My comment is a general one. In relation to the article they've no right to unilaterally fly over Irish airspace as part of a military operation.
They do if they were given clearance by Irish Air traffic control. The Irish airforce were also monitoring the same Russian ship.
It's unclear from the article if they had approval.
You are on the ball, buddy. Nazi's in waiting
What are you on about? What order?
Conflicts have been ramping up everywhere, environmental damage, slave labour sweat shops brought to you by Temu, global shipping polution(deserves its own title) for the past 15 to 20 years or more!
Pull your head out of Trumpism US politics will ya. Jesus.
this is complete ahistorical nonsense.
The liberal world order since the end of WW2 has largely seen conflicts between the world's largest and most powerful nations stop in favour of increased trade between countries. This depends on whether or not you view Korea as a powerful nation.
This is largely down to the US being happy as the world's most dominant country to police this geopolitcal system. The policing largely benefited us and people around the world who preferred it to the regime prior to this (Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Ireland and most of Eastern Europe)
Ireland has been one of the greatest beneficiaries of this world order in almost every conceivable way.
Regards your other comments, do you honestly believe there were better working conditions before the post WW2 consensus? Are you mad? Do you understand what most people did for work before the modern corporate-office workplace?
We are so unbelievably ignorant in this country sometimes. Temu? Global Shipping? these two things have helped pull close to a billion Chinese people out of poverty. Are you honestly saying global shipping is bad for people around the world? How do you think that a world with less global shipping would pan out for Ireland (you know, an island)?
No, it's not ahistorical nonsense.
The "liberal world order" didn't stop great power wars out of benevolence the US enforced it as hegemon, often brutally. Proxy wars, coups, and interventions exploded. I've already mentioned Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Vietnam, Indonesia, Congo. Millions died for "stability" on US terms.
Yeah Ireland prospered via EU/US ties. But the system runs on filthy bunker fuel (shipping emits more CO2 than Germany, with 1000 times the sulphur allowed on roads until recent IMO rules). Sweatshops, slavery in supply chains, mountains of plastics everywhere including our own bodies and externalised costs are baked in. Temu-style shipping is the endpoint, endless growth, dump pollution and exploitation elsewhere.
Yes China lifted billions from poverty but not by needing tar-sludge ships choking the planet. I'm not "mad" or nostalgic for pre WWII conditions, I reject the fairy tale that this order is sacred. It's power politics with massive flaws you're ignoring because questioning it might validate critics like Trump/Rubio.
You're seeming to think of this as some order as in nothing bad happened.
Bad stuff happened. But the so called rules based international order of western and western aligned nations has been a thing and you're jsut wrong in disagreeing with that.
My point was never that "nothing bad happened" or that the order doesn't exist. It was that this order isn't the pure, consistent system it's sometimes portrayed as. Bad stuff didn't just "happen" a lot of it was deliberately done in the name of maintaining that order, again coups against elected governments, support for dictators, proxy wars, and an economic model that externalised huge environmental and human costs.
So yeah, the order is real. But it's always been a power based system wearing "rules-based" clothing when convenient, and it deserves criticism without being labelled sacrilege. We probably value different parts of the balance sheet, but fair play, we both know it exists. No need to keep going round in circles on this one.
Lol silly comment.
"Silly comment"..... that it?
What world order?
Read up on the Truman doctrine.
Truman Doctrine is Cold War containment, not some sacred global peace pact.
The ‘world order’ you’re mourning gave us Iraq, Libya, Vietnam. Spare me the nostalgia.
If it worked, why are wars multiplying under it? Rules based for whom? Not Yemen. Not Gaza. Not Iraq. You’re defending US dominance, not stability. 80 years of order doesn’t end in perpetual crisis by accident. If the system needs endless war to survive, it’s already dead.
By the way, calling my dissent ‘silly’ isn’t an argument, it’s a dodge. Why bother comment at all? None of this started with Trump or Hegseth it’s been grinding on for decades.
Containment of communism was only part. It was about promoting democracy.
Promoting democracy by backing dictators is a strange definition of democracy.
In all seriousness though, Its a funny way to promote democracy... coups, death squads, and proxy wars. If thats democracy, it needs tanks to survive also democracy doesn’t usually arrive via CIA cables.
Tell that to Chile, Iran, Guatemala. It promoted alignment, not democracy.
Why are you so angry about a trivial point. The world order that exists in the world today was that created after WWII which was largely shaped by the US . Your tangental ranting and raving doesn't change that.
I'm not angry at all lol. Could it be that im actually interested in this subject? I'm just laying out historical facts that directly contradict your rosy view of the US shaped "world order." Calling my points tangential ranting and raving is just deflecting, it's what people do when they can't engage with the substance. If the point is so trivial why not address it head on instead of resorting to jabs?
Yes, the current world order was shaped in the aftermath of WWII, with the US playing a dominant role through institutions like the UN, IMF and NATO and policies like the Truman Doctrine aimed at containing communism.
But that shaping often prioritized geopolitical dominance and anti-communist alignment over consistent rules or democracy evidenced by US backed coups overthrowing elected governments in Iran 1953 Guatemala 1954 and Chile 1973 and support for dictators in places like South Vietnam and Zaire. This rules based order has frequently bent rules for power, fueling instability rather than universal stability.
Well…reports that the ship is being boarded and is heading South ( towards us). This is all a bit Tom Clancyish.
Good the Russian support of Venezuela should be prevented
So America can just rape the country of its resources?
The ship should have been registered in the first place. They chose not to register under a country so are absolute fair game to be seized.
I'm talking about the president and the oil.
This ship apparently came from Iran, headed towards Venezuela and turned back. Something very interesting must be onboard given the excessive US attention, and the Russians scrambling ships to meet it. Very odd.
Huh, didn't think they'd bother
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Is this the tanker? Seems to have changed direction?