It's always surprising to me that when something like this is posted here, I'm pretty confident that the general consensus will be: "Yeah, obviously"
And then I talk to people in the real world, and it is _full_ of people who don't believe, don't care or want to some way minimise the impact it's having. It's stark, and I dont think I'm the only person in this situation who have friends and (well mainly) relatives in complete denial about it
Yeah, but only a small fraction of the population are on reddit, there's a shit tonne of them on Facebook, mostly older. Reddit ain't perfect, but blatant misinformation gets downvoted and corrected/called out.
On Facebook, the quality and quantity of misinformation is enormous and our older generations have no idea how to validate stuff.
E.g. there's a large and growing cohort of them who are claiming Ireland is overwhelmed with sudden deaths of younger folk and thousands and thousands of "excess deaths". They're convinced there's a massive cover up. Now, they could just read the CSO reports on excess deaths where you'll see a 25% increase in the number of deaths per month vs the averages from 2017-2019, but that doesn't mean there's 25% excess deaths. We're reaching a plateau in terms of life expectancy and the measurable impact of basically lower deaths in the past was always to catch up to us to a new baseline with our increased population. It's not simple, but it's not rocket science. The masses in FB won't be deterred by reality. It's a cover up, and every one of the tens and probably hundreds of thousands of scientists and medical professionals are all in cahoots and the dumbest lad from your secondary school is one of the ones who knows the truth.
The issue is the party that would decided to cosy up to the parties who are ensuring we will own nothing, have nothing, and be constantly under attack.
The demographics the Greens need to court, the future generations, are the ones being fucked in the now by FFG. You can’t be shocked people don’t vote to protect a future when their present is constantly being savaged. You can’t ask people to think of their children when they’re being stopped from having children to begin with….
They had a chance to go into government and enact some change. Important change. They are too small to affect the housing crisis but the bigger parties will agree to some of their proposals. The green party did a ton during the last government. The only part that really achieved anything.
I've been voting for the green party for nearly 20 years and I was very happy with them last time around. I will continue voting for them.
And I'm one of those poor fuckers who's had to move home in order to be able to save for some form of accomodation.
We just need to find a way to tackle climate change without anyone having to change their lifestyle even slightly and with no one paying even a single cent more in tax.
I really hate the argument going around that we're only a tiny country and our emissions don't matter. It's very selfish and doesn't make sense. Similar to how people rationalize littering I guess
Ireland could be completely wiped off the map, every human and animal killed, global emissions would drop by 0.1%, you have no idea what you are advocating for, you don't know the science and you are captured by ideology.
I'm not saying we can single handedly solve climate change. I'm saying we should pull our weight in terms of emissions. I know exactly what I'm advocating for please don't talk to me like that
You don't know what you're advocating for, you are advocating that Ireland and the Irish people are poorer and have to pay more money for food to reduce global emissions by practically zero, again if Ireland ceased to exist completely it would reduce global emissions by 0.1%, so culling cows or reducing car emissions by even 50% will do absolutely nothing.
I'm not saying the world shouldn't be trying to control the climate, I think we absolutely should for human flourishing, what I am saying is the solutions put forward are completely idiotic and not backed by science at all, and what you are proposing has nothing to do with science, it's a reckless and idiotic ideology.
Alright then. Hypothetically if we get our emissions down to zero, will we feel much better when the climate goes tits up despite of our efforts?
Id love to create a better world, but it's not going to happen, we don't make the rules, we're all victims of the rules.
how about the EU gets their emissions down to zero and cleans up rivers and improves biodiversity etc. the EU is half a billion people and china's biggest customer. that doesn't sound good?
Except we are a very small country, our emission do not matter, and China, Russia, the US, India et Al are not to turn around and do as we do just because we were the good kid in class. That kind of thinking is avoidance of reality.
I don't think it's fair to say that the EU in general isn't trying. It's probably much fairer to say that we aren't. Our public transport system is abysmal, we dragged our feet on carbon taxes and continue to subsidise heavy agricultural practices.
yeah but people keep saying what's the point in us changing we're only 5 million people, but you could say we're actually 500 million really as part of the union, and we have shared goals on climate
There are numerous EU countries that are larger than us and have seen their emissions reduce in 2025.
Countries like France, Sweden and Germany, for example. We aren't doing enough. The figures speak for themselves and we can't just keep pointing the finger elsewhere.
I'll believe things when the elites make the first move to reduce their standards of living. I'm sure al gore has given up meat and his Mercedes. Not to mention all the beach side mansions.
“You realise chinas emissions are so high as they produce majority of the worlds goods for export?
When you buy a product made in China, that is your emissions and your carbon footprint, but it’s calculated as China. Who demanded the Chinese supply that product? You.
The average Chinese fellas emissions are way way lower than yours.
Not to mention China is now leading the way in renewables.”
They have the power to vote for politicians who don't represent their own short sightedness, greed and laziness. But they won't do that.
We are a complacent, selfish bunch. Nothing will happen because people won't accept change.
This is global too. Class consciousness is dead. Any hint of even naming the problems will have you labelled as a crazy communist or whatever is the slur of the day.
We're fucked. Enjoy your life while you can. No point dooming about it. But the cunts who continue to defend the status quo and vote for the insufferable pricks in charge at Leinster House are very much part of the problem. And deserve to be shouted down at every possible opportunity.
You can literally use the same argument for Ireland. We are a heavily export based economy, we:
- Produce food for 45m people
- Produce a lot of pharmaceutical products
- Host data centres for usage consumption by other countries
Are you making this up as you go? Ireland's Green party showed definitively that when public transport services are improved people will use them over cars. Amsterdam's city planning showed definitively that when cycling is safer, people use it over cars.
Both of these things are public policy decisions. I cycle loads, it's the joy of being on a greenway quite frankly. My local bus links are shit, 2-3 services per day so the local elderly people all keep their cars.
When public transport services are reliable would be a start. I cycled for years and loved the reliability and health benefits. Unfortunately not everybody can cycle.
Definitely. Our standard of living has deteriorated to the point where we have little to no disposable income to enjoy ourselves after paying all these taxes.
Meanwhile all the "THE OCEANS ARE BOILING!!!!" clowns are still jetting around the world in their private jets and yachts.
So why are our airports, bars, restaurants all packed? Why were so many people splurging on Christmas shopping?
I live modestly and yes I agree the heating oceans are a big problem.
Have you heard of blood and gore. Carbon trading, green washing and the commodification of carbon had been a boon for the bankers, financiers and politicians. Has it been beneficial for the environment, highly doubtful.
And all the private jets that flew to the COP 25 in Brazil, or at very least took 1st class/business seats by defualt.
Lenny De Craprio once did a thousands of miles round day trip on a private plane to pick up a special environmental award in Paris. That lad knows how to party.
I would need to walk for 2 hours to get to the nearest shop, which is a tiny petrol station shop with no fruit or vegetables. Guess I will just filter feed from now on.
That's because there's nothing we the public can really do to stop or reverse climate when the worst polluters aren't us. Your choice is to go crazy worrying about it or just ignore it.
You realise chinas emissions are so high as they produce majority of the worlds goods for export?
When you buy a product made in China, that is your emissions and your carbon footprint, but it’s calculated as China. Who demanded the Chinese supply that product? You.
The average Chinese fellas emissions are way way lower than yours.
Not to mention China is now leading the way in renewables.
funny thing is china is actually doing something about it making strides in clean energy going more into nuclear meanwhile what exactly is Ireland doing i don't see any new hydroelectric powerplants no offshore windfarms or a nuclear reactor
yet we keep inviting companies to build data centers that aren't run on clean energy and we keep importing electricity from UK
You realise "carbon footprint" is a term made up by BP to make people think they are responsible for the climate crisis and push blame away from the oil industry?
Again, we demand what the oil companies are supplying?
If nobody wanted oil, the business wouldn’t be profitable, and they’d be selling something else. That’s how supply and demand works. It literally doesn’t matter who coined the phrase.
The entire world economy and all of its systems run on oil, you might as well castigate people for wanting air or water. Nothing runs without it. They wouldn't be "selling something else"because oil is the most efficient widely available energy source we have and almost everything has been designed to run on it for a xentury. This is not complicated.
Whatever comes downstream of that, and no matter how evil oil companies are (utterly), ignoring basic reality doesn't help you get to a better one.
Nobody told me anything. It is simply a fact. Consumer preference does not meaningfully change systems. At most, it produces cosmetic adjustments.
Systemic change comes from technological shifts, government regulations, subsidies and bans, and from how industries respond to organised public pressure. The idea that we as smart consumers can buy their way out of an ecological crisis has always been nonsense.
We have now had four decades of green consumerism, since it entered popular consciousness in the mid 1980s. When I was in primary school, we were already being told to make smarter choices and buy greener. Many of us tried our best. If consumer preference had any real power, we would have seen measurable improvement over that period as a result of it. We have not.
Take plastic use. If consumer preference had any meaningful effect, we would have seen a decline in plastic production as ecological awareness among us all as consumers increased from the 1980s and 1990s onwards. Instead, that period coincides with the fastest expansion of plastic production in history. More than half of all plastics ever created have been produced since 2000. That outcome alone should settle the question.
We do not meaningfully choose plastic as consumers. Plastic is chosen for us upstream because it is cheap and more profitable. Packaging, product design and supply chains are decided long before anything reaches a shelf. At the point of purchase, the “choice” is usually between one plastic-wrapped product and another. 30 years ago a Yorkie, a Dairy Milk and a Kit Kat were wrapped in paper and foil. Nowadays they’re all in plastic.
And opting out does not constrain production. It merely leaves surplus stock to be sold elsewhere. Smiths still sells the plastic crap toys, they just discount them. Ryanair still flies the planes whether we are on them or not.
Confirmation bias and echo chamber. Happens to us all when interacting online. Like I use youtube, instagram and facebook sometimes. Don't really use x or tik tok. Get my news from the irish examiner, el Mundo in Spain and Sky/BBC. Listen to music on youtube music. Listen to news and current affairs pocasts on spotify.
Bollox, the government should improve public transport, give workers the right to work at home where possible and push for renewable energy, grants for solar systems, stop bs objections to windfarms.
What I do is going to make fuck all difference to climate change, I’m still going to be into cars, drifting and eating mint. I don’t see why Europeans have to change their lifestyles, China, America and India are still going to pollute as much as ever.
Hahaha. Yeah. In my life everyone is racist. Right wing but doesn't know what right wing means people. Guess its what I get for under achieving and not being motivated and landed working in the drainage industry.
You can find them in any reddit post here calling for fewer cattle, less car use, fewer flights, or otherwise reducing this incredible consumptive life that we live. Then all sorts come out of the woodwork "China doesn't care", "Amoc collapse won't be that bad", "grass fed cattle are eco friendly"
We've billionaires taking private jets a few miles. We have nations dumping tons and tons of waste. Me washing my clothes at 20 degrees is doing nothing to help, yes I'll turn the lights off and yes I'll try to recycle but I'm not the problem, we all know what needs doing at it starts at the top.
Those billionaires make up a minute percentage of the population and even given their colossal personal carbon footprint, they are a drop in the ocean.
There’s more than 8 billion people and the ones who aren’t driving SUVs and eating McDonald’s are burning scrub grass to grow crops and burning coal for heat and cooking.
The real solution to climate change is our extinction as a species because every single one of us thinks it’s someone else’s responsibility.
I think some people feel it’s a bit rich to be told
This, while the people ruling the world waste so much resources, and simultaneously wagging their fingers at ordinary people who are literally doing their best to get by.
Our society drives on consumerism like nothing I’ve ever seen before, tourism, fashion, make up, cosmetic surgery, big parades that leave cities destroyed in rubbish etc.
I know the planet is being harmed, but it’s not really the ordinary people who are driving it on. We can use our Re-Turn machines to get a few cents back on recycled cans, while there are people flying in jets all to themselves, to meetings on the other side of the world and flying back the same day. Same for celebrities etc. Taylor swift probably causes more harm in a long weekend than 100 people could hope to undue by making their little sacrifices for their whole Lives. I don’t think anyone wants the planet to get harmed, but most are powerless to the whims of rulers and billionaires who could expend immense resources and energy on treating themselves for a few days. Meanwhile ordinary people are shamed and guilt tripped night and day, year in year out
Well you can’t guilt trip me, I won’t buy it. But the climate issue is shoved down our throats, people are bombarded with apocalyptic language all the time over the climate, and the people saying all this to us, don’t care themselves. Oh I know our government aren’t doing all they can, that’s exactly what I’m saying here. We’ve planted heaps of trees on our private land, created ponds and habitats. We’ve scored as high for biodiversity on our land as you can be scored, we’ve never spread nitrates or pesticides or chemicals of any kind, nor have we ploughed it or anything. It’s one big natural meadow, divided by hedgerows and ditches. Yet the government is trying to take our right to farm away and give it to intensive farms, all in the name of the climate. That’s all i meant. People know there’s damage being done, they’re being taxed all the time for it. And the people taxing us, like you just said, don’t actually care or do much to help
how are they trying to take your right to farm away? i mean it's an area i'm interested in and i wouldn't say it's shoved down our throats at all, it's practically ignored.
It’s pushed on people a lot through ads, through “targets” through corporations claiming they’re striving to be “net zero” when this is all nonsense.We’re bombarded with the self righteous talk, from people who can but won’t make a difference, like you said they’re not really that pushed about it, but will run campaigns now and then to get more money off people. I’m saying that most ordinary people are doing what they can to not damage the planet, but the people in power, who are wagging their fingers at us, actively do stuff that destroys it. On a scale that makes what an ordinary person can do almost pointless, but it’s still important we do what we can, but taxing people over and over is the thing that makes people not buy what governments around the world are saying.
They’re trying to take the agricultural status off our land and many other small farmers and natural like myself. So they can give the “carbon credits” to intensive and factory farms, which is completely going against any idea of it harming the planet. They’re using the carbon thing as a weapon to take land off people, or take their rights to make a living off it anyways, while taking the reins off the unnatural, damaging farming methods. They’d have gotten away with it years ago but a few of us banded together and have been defending ourselves in the dail and over in Brussels since 2015. Been some effort now, and they just want us to give up. So when you’ve seen stuff like that from the inside, you know how twisted it can be
i have to disagree with most ordinary people are doing what they can not to damage the planet, most ordinary people couldn't give a flying fuck and consume everything without giving it a second thought
Oh yea we’re gone disgusting with consumerism here. It’s like a drug, and it’s pushed on us too, while they preach about “green targets” and I see labubus hanging off adults backpacks. Dumb cunts 🤣
Do you see what I meant about taking my right to farm away?
It's nice you've built a lovely wild garden. It is a tiny amount towards what needs to be done.
Ireland was once a rainforest coast to coast. We've fuck all natural forests now. Land needs to be returned to the wild. Not as little private parks but as genuinely wild expanses of land. There should be at a minimum a contiguous forest from north to south, east to west, that covers 1/3rd of the land. Uninterrupted.
That is the bare minimum to stop an ecological collapse.
Oh you've a lovely garden that you threaten people if they go near.
Private ownership of land, consumerism, accumulation of wealth and property. These are the problems that are ultimately causing climate change and ecological collapse.
Oh you planted a few trees? Give me a fucking break.
What privilege? My family have been peasant farmers as far as the books go back. No privilege here except being born with the ability to work hard and pay my way. That could be seen as a privilege these days seeing as so few have it
What’s preventing anyone from owning land? It’s a choice not a privilege. If you own colonised land that was taken from indigenous people, that’s a different story, I’m anti-colonialism. But we are the indigenous people of this area.
Would you not like to own your own house or anything?
Well they explain more frequent flooding by “the council isn’t poking the drains” or “why are they building houses on a flood plain” or straight up conspiracy theories about government controlling the weather. I imagine it’ll just be some combination of that.
My favourite one was the absolute brain melt that happened recently when scientists started talking about reducing atmospheric warming caused by contrails by redirecting aircraft out of high moisture air.
If it's any consolation, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to at least be a gradual process, (if it does happen) rather than just dropping from 15°c one day to like -10°c the next day.
I became a vegetarian then vegan in my very early teens, I really bought into Linda McCartneys ethos and couldn't believe no one was enforcing a neat free Monday. I bought second hand clothes only and wore things till they literally were falling apart and i don't get new phones every year it gets replaced when I need to and not to have the latest brand. I refused to learn to drive and chose walking, cycling and public transport to get around because I didn't want to add to the carrbon emissions. I also made a conscious decision not to have children and add to the world population. I did all these things but never once preached to nor belittled others for their life choices. I just wanted to do my part in being kind to our earth and help it in the small ways I could. I know hippy dippy lol.
Fast forward to 9/11 I remember watching that and then the aftermath, the shock and awe bush inflicted and the realisation as it carried on that the actions of America were about oil. The amount of carbon emissions from the US army rivals that of any nation. And when I researched more I saw that china, the US, Russia, India are the biggest polluters in the world and really no matter what I as one person or even Ireland as a whole did it is irrelevant and makes zero difference.
So I had a child and learned to drive and bought an old petrol car. I buy fast fashion and while I'm still vegan I also accept that we as a species will destroy the earth. This won't happen in my lifetime nor probably that of my child's but it will happen. And all the mock concerns world leaders do when they sit around talking about carbon emissions and fines if nations don't meet them, it's just all for show, it means nothing in reality. So when we are told to expect more wild weather or drought etc it barely registers these days, this has been something I've been aware of since at least the 1980s and if a child has been aware then it's crazy to think that world leaders, industry heads have not yet nothing is ever done. I'm not trying to be pessimistic just acknowledging this extremeness is now reality and unless world leaders of the big countries and big carbon producers actually do something then it's irrelevant what we as a tiny nation do to lower our carbon emissions.
Cool story but why do you buy fast fashion if it's so horribly polluting? It doesn't matter where you come from, you're still a part of that reckless industry.
I mean it in the sense that I'm not overly concerned anymore. However I don't buy shein etc, h&m yes but I wear it till I have to sew holes lol, so I don't know if that is fast fashion per se. I still buy from charity shops but I don't avoid normal shops in the way I used to, is probably a better description.
Yeah, it's a labour issue too. Fast fashion companies like Shein/Zara/H&M/Penny's mostly employ mothers and children to work in their factories, and the working conditions are atrocious! They also pollute local water supplies - the Climate Crisis affects people around the world daily, but we're too comfortable and lazy to change
I think the point they may have been trying to make is that no amount of washing out your tin cans or thrifting when you can is able to make up for the sheer industrial waste occurring on national scales.
So why make your own life extra hard, if it's not able to help anyone else?
Personally fast fashion abhors me so i stay away. I don't buy new electronics only second hand, never bought a new phone and just replaced my 15 year old tv I got second hand with another 2nd hand tv. Tiny gestures alright but if we weren't all such slaves to consumerism it would make a difference.
Congratulations on your child.
What extremes?
What proof is there that climate change is mostly due to man?
Genuinely curious, you seem like you'd know a lot and I haven't read so much.
Thanks 🙏
If we all did the right thing here our macro climate wouldn't change in any measurable way. What would be altered for the better is our ground level environment and ecology. The air is bigger than Ireland, and we've got two massive polluters just across the big pond. Yes Canada is guilty too, with their huge fires esp in the western states which carry on the jet stream.
Warming seas again bigger than Ireland, we're just the buoy in the water surrounded by the effects of the world.
We should act to save ourselves from our own worst behaviour, but we can't save ourselves from the rest of the planet's behaviour.
I think it's better news for heat pump owners. With a split unit, A/C in the summer will do wonders, and cheap heating in the winter regardless (even with monoblocs).
Any time we've a bit of ice or it goes over 22 degrees Celsius the media go into a frenzy. Where is the rising sea level they've been screaming about for decades.
Don't see anything alarming about the piece. 'Rainfall for the year was 104 per cent of the 1991-2020 long-term average.' so it was 4% above average? That's completely... average. Each year you could pick numbers that sound conclusive, but there's nothing there really. It was slightly warmer, ok?
There was an average amount of rain, ok?
It was hot in one place at one time in the year and cold in another place at another time of the year, ok?
It was much warmer hundreds of years ago, the world survived. What's the fuss about lads, please enlighten me 🙏 every prediction, ever made, by these climate scientists has been so very wrong. Why should I listen to them now, when they're pointing out very normal weather and saying shite like the rain was 104% of the average year?
Extreme weather? Temperatures above 25 are not extreme. It’s what Europe calls spring usually. If we get to regular 30 degree summers it would be amazing.
And on the flip side, winters at -5 with some snow are not extreme. It’s a mild winter. At this moment, my mom living in Croatia, is at -13. She just puts on extra layers and a thick scarf, and carries on.
Having actual seasons is amazing. A constant 15 degree drizzle weather is not good.
‘Extreme’ in the meteorological sense doesn’t have anything to do with what humans can tolerate, it’s about deviations from historical climate norms. You might prefer warmer later summers and drier winters but our ecology does not.
It isn't silly, because you're ignoring the context. Yes people can handle it, but the difference is extreme, for Ireland, and the ramifications such a change has on everything else.
Oh buddy you really aren't aware of some of the possibilities with the collapse of AMOC. We could see winter extremes of -22.
Also the extreme weather will likely manifest itself in seemingly random weather events out of season. You talk about lovely 30c summers but how about hard frosts in June, or one of those record breaking winter storms we've been getting, except every month.
You might think this isn't a big deal but a single late spring frost will knock out early crops, a June frost would destroy all our produce for that year. Likewise wintery storms will knock all crops and increased rainfall will mea no forage will be harvested. This will kill agriculture as we know it.
It's always surprising to me that when something like this is posted here, I'm pretty confident that the general consensus will be: "Yeah, obviously"
And then I talk to people in the real world, and it is _full_ of people who don't believe, don't care or want to some way minimise the impact it's having. It's stark, and I dont think I'm the only person in this situation who have friends and (well mainly) relatives in complete denial about it
Yeah, but only a small fraction of the population are on reddit, there's a shit tonne of them on Facebook, mostly older. Reddit ain't perfect, but blatant misinformation gets downvoted and corrected/called out.
On Facebook, the quality and quantity of misinformation is enormous and our older generations have no idea how to validate stuff.
E.g. there's a large and growing cohort of them who are claiming Ireland is overwhelmed with sudden deaths of younger folk and thousands and thousands of "excess deaths". They're convinced there's a massive cover up. Now, they could just read the CSO reports on excess deaths where you'll see a 25% increase in the number of deaths per month vs the averages from 2017-2019, but that doesn't mean there's 25% excess deaths. We're reaching a plateau in terms of life expectancy and the measurable impact of basically lower deaths in the past was always to catch up to us to a new baseline with our increased population. It's not simple, but it's not rocket science. The masses in FB won't be deterred by reality. It's a cover up, and every one of the tens and probably hundreds of thousands of scientists and medical professionals are all in cahoots and the dumbest lad from your secondary school is one of the ones who knows the truth.
Fuck.
Facebook comments really are the most depressing place on the internet, I want to look away but I can't for some reason.
Cool, now let's try the obvious followup. We should eat less meat and stop driving everywhere.
I'll take my downvotes now.
Unfortunately the government needs to help with the transition to less driving... and they wont.
We need to vote in the politicians who will. We also make it clear to the politicians who won't that our vote depends on it.
Yeah because we voted out the party that would.
We're fucked because people are selfish, stupid cunts. Enjoy it while it lasts.
The issue is the party that would decided to cosy up to the parties who are ensuring we will own nothing, have nothing, and be constantly under attack.
The demographics the Greens need to court, the future generations, are the ones being fucked in the now by FFG. You can’t be shocked people don’t vote to protect a future when their present is constantly being savaged. You can’t ask people to think of their children when they’re being stopped from having children to begin with….
They had a chance to go into government and enact some change. Important change. They are too small to affect the housing crisis but the bigger parties will agree to some of their proposals. The green party did a ton during the last government. The only part that really achieved anything.
I've been voting for the green party for nearly 20 years and I was very happy with them last time around. I will continue voting for them.
And I'm one of those poor fuckers who's had to move home in order to be able to save for some form of accomodation.
We just need to find a way to tackle climate change without anyone having to change their lifestyle even slightly and with no one paying even a single cent more in tax.
Should be simple.
As soon as China, India and the USA do it ill follow suit. In the meantime I'm eating that rib eye.
We have more emissions per capita than India and China. We are behind China on renewables
"per capita" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
It's the only way to measure this fairly.
I really hate the argument going around that we're only a tiny country and our emissions don't matter. It's very selfish and doesn't make sense. Similar to how people rationalize littering I guess
Ireland could be completely wiped off the map, every human and animal killed, global emissions would drop by 0.1%, you have no idea what you are advocating for, you don't know the science and you are captured by ideology.
Any Chinese town could be wiped off the map and global emissions would fall by a fraction so I guess there is no point in China doing anything either.
Thank you ♥️
I'm not saying we can single handedly solve climate change. I'm saying we should pull our weight in terms of emissions. I know exactly what I'm advocating for please don't talk to me like that
You don't know what you're advocating for, you are advocating that Ireland and the Irish people are poorer and have to pay more money for food to reduce global emissions by practically zero, again if Ireland ceased to exist completely it would reduce global emissions by 0.1%, so culling cows or reducing car emissions by even 50% will do absolutely nothing.
I'm not saying the world shouldn't be trying to control the climate, I think we absolutely should for human flourishing, what I am saying is the solutions put forward are completely idiotic and not backed by science at all, and what you are proposing has nothing to do with science, it's a reckless and idiotic ideology.
Yes that's a pessimistic way of saying it but I am advocating for what you said. Again, there's no need to be insulting
Why should I have to change when there's more people who won't?
/s
They're one country, of course 6 of them should huddle around a candle while we strip mine bogs for turf. There's few of us and many of them.
Alright then. Hypothetically if we get our emissions down to zero, will we feel much better when the climate goes tits up despite of our efforts? Id love to create a better world, but it's not going to happen, we don't make the rules, we're all victims of the rules.
how about the EU gets their emissions down to zero and cleans up rivers and improves biodiversity etc. the EU is half a billion people and china's biggest customer. that doesn't sound good?
Except we are a very small country, our emission do not matter, and China, Russia, the US, India et Al are not to turn around and do as we do just because we were the good kid in class. That kind of thinking is avoidance of reality.
So what? Should we start burning tyres instead?
We should still pull our weight regardless of what the other countries are doing.
"our"
Yeah we exist mate
How else can of country of 5m credibly be compared with a country of over a billion but on a per capita basis?
the EU is half a billion people and China's largest customer shouldn't the EU try?
I don't think it's fair to say that the EU in general isn't trying. It's probably much fairer to say that we aren't. Our public transport system is abysmal, we dragged our feet on carbon taxes and continue to subsidise heavy agricultural practices.
yeah but people keep saying what's the point in us changing we're only 5 million people, but you could say we're actually 500 million really as part of the union, and we have shared goals on climate
There are numerous EU countries that are larger than us and have seen their emissions reduce in 2025.
Countries like France, Sweden and Germany, for example. We aren't doing enough. The figures speak for themselves and we can't just keep pointing the finger elsewhere.
I'll believe things when the elites make the first move to reduce their standards of living. I'm sure al gore has given up meat and his Mercedes. Not to mention all the beach side mansions.
Cool, we’ll get nowhere so
Fair play for passing on the blame
7bn people, elites make up a tiny proportion of the pollution.
Yes majority is by large companies. But they only supply what we, the non elites, demand.
Ireland contributes what, 0.1% of global emissions? China is 35% and no incentive to slow down..me eating less meat is going to do fuck all.
Copy and paste from my other reply
“You realise chinas emissions are so high as they produce majority of the worlds goods for export?
When you buy a product made in China, that is your emissions and your carbon footprint, but it’s calculated as China. Who demanded the Chinese supply that product? You.
The average Chinese fellas emissions are way way lower than yours.
Not to mention China is now leading the way in renewables.”
Yeah. People can stop bitching about other countries high emissions when they stop consuming their goods.
It's just empty excuse after empty excuse because they don't want to change. It has to be someone elses fault because I can't be responsible.
You are assigning power where the majority of people have almost none.
They have the power to vote for politicians who don't represent their own short sightedness, greed and laziness. But they won't do that.
We are a complacent, selfish bunch. Nothing will happen because people won't accept change.
This is global too. Class consciousness is dead. Any hint of even naming the problems will have you labelled as a crazy communist or whatever is the slur of the day.
We're fucked. Enjoy your life while you can. No point dooming about it. But the cunts who continue to defend the status quo and vote for the insufferable pricks in charge at Leinster House are very much part of the problem. And deserve to be shouted down at every possible opportunity.
You can literally use the same argument for Ireland. We are a heavily export based economy, we: - Produce food for 45m people - Produce a lot of pharmaceutical products - Host data centres for usage consumption by other countries
What does the post china consumer world look like. Is it like the Victorian era. Sounds romantic.
'Demand' my arse, if we were demanding the tat produced there'd be no need for planned obselence or advertising. Leather-sucking take
Oil companies are amongst the largest corporate polluters.
You drive a petrol/diesel car rather than bus, cycle or walk? Like the majority of the country.
“A significant majority of car journeys in Ireland are short, with nearly six in ten (around 59%) taking 15 minutes or less” - CSO
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Majority of the top 20 corporate polluters are oil companies.
Are you making this up as you go? Ireland's Green party showed definitively that when public transport services are improved people will use them over cars. Amsterdam's city planning showed definitively that when cycling is safer, people use it over cars.
Both of these things are public policy decisions. I cycle loads, it's the joy of being on a greenway quite frankly. My local bus links are shit, 2-3 services per day so the local elderly people all keep their cars.
What exactly are you suggesting I’ve made up?
Oil companies are the world’s top corporate polluters.
59% of Irish car journeys are less than 15 minutes. This literally comes from the CSO site.
When public transport services are reliable would be a start. I cycled for years and loved the reliability and health benefits. Unfortunately not everybody can cycle.
The only solution is a ban on all private transport and everybody on their bike.
or ban planning housing etc that means driving is necessary, we need to plan smarter
Tents in the city
Definitely. Our standard of living has deteriorated to the point where we have little to no disposable income to enjoy ourselves after paying all these taxes.
Meanwhile all the "THE OCEANS ARE BOILING!!!!" clowns are still jetting around the world in their private jets and yachts.
So why are our airports, bars, restaurants all packed? Why were so many people splurging on Christmas shopping? I live modestly and yes I agree the heating oceans are a big problem.
Have you heard of blood and gore. Carbon trading, green washing and the commodification of carbon had been a boon for the bankers, financiers and politicians. Has it been beneficial for the environment, highly doubtful.
These are kinda different problems.
No they aren't. Not when the financialisation of carbon is the backbone for the economic approach. It's another derivative market to exploit.
And all the private jets that flew to the COP 25 in Brazil, or at very least took 1st class/business seats by defualt.
Lenny De Craprio once did a thousands of miles round day trip on a private plane to pick up a special environmental award in Paris. That lad knows how to party.
What's the carbon footprint of Leo's womanising.
Actually not much, they're all models, and always under 26, so they just eat lettuce and salads, and never release methane.
Then again he is likely fond of those superyachts for the partying, when not whizzing about in private jets.
I would need to walk for 2 hours to get to the nearest shop, which is a tiny petrol station shop with no fruit or vegetables. Guess I will just filter feed from now on.
It is actually the general consensus. But I think it's useful to highlight because despite people believing in climate change in Ireland, only 1/3rd of people are "alarmed" about it and think it poses an immediate risk.
That's because there's nothing we the public can really do to stop or reverse climate when the worst polluters aren't us. Your choice is to go crazy worrying about it or just ignore it.
Who are the worst polluters?
Per capita Irish people are the worst polluters in Europe.
If you suggest it’s the big corporations, well their emissions are ours. They only supply what we demand.
China and the USA.
India and Russia.
You realise chinas emissions are so high as they produce majority of the worlds goods for export?
When you buy a product made in China, that is your emissions and your carbon footprint, but it’s calculated as China. Who demanded the Chinese supply that product? You.
The average Chinese fellas emissions are way way lower than yours.
Not to mention China is now leading the way in renewables.
funny thing is china is actually doing something about it making strides in clean energy going more into nuclear meanwhile what exactly is Ireland doing i don't see any new hydroelectric powerplants no offshore windfarms or a nuclear reactor
yet we keep inviting companies to build data centers that aren't run on clean energy and we keep importing electricity from UK
Solar! It's been booming.
Forget nuclear, it's too politically toxic. But solar, we can move people to solar!
It's almost like that's how statistics fucking works.
Statistics also work in that you are reasonably responsible for more emissions than a Chinese person.
Bigger country have bigger things? Wow. Big brain working today!
FFS.
Not according to the statistics.
Less than worthless comment.
You realise "carbon footprint" is a term made up by BP to make people think they are responsible for the climate crisis and push blame away from the oil industry?
Again, we demand what the oil companies are supplying?
If nobody wanted oil, the business wouldn’t be profitable, and they’d be selling something else. That’s how supply and demand works. It literally doesn’t matter who coined the phrase.
We could get a lot more of our energy from renewable sources but we don't because oil companies would lose money
The entire world economy and all of its systems run on oil, you might as well castigate people for wanting air or water. Nothing runs without it. They wouldn't be "selling something else"because oil is the most efficient widely available energy source we have and almost everything has been designed to run on it for a xentury. This is not complicated.
Whatever comes downstream of that, and no matter how evil oil companies are (utterly), ignoring basic reality doesn't help you get to a better one.
Most of the emissions are to produce things for we the public. Individual consumer choices matter.
No they don’t. Individual consumer behaviour is structurally incapable of solving a crisis rooted in industrial production decisions.
Who told you that? Consumer preferences affect many things.
Nobody told me anything. It is simply a fact. Consumer preference does not meaningfully change systems. At most, it produces cosmetic adjustments.
Systemic change comes from technological shifts, government regulations, subsidies and bans, and from how industries respond to organised public pressure. The idea that we as smart consumers can buy their way out of an ecological crisis has always been nonsense.
We have now had four decades of green consumerism, since it entered popular consciousness in the mid 1980s. When I was in primary school, we were already being told to make smarter choices and buy greener. Many of us tried our best. If consumer preference had any real power, we would have seen measurable improvement over that period as a result of it. We have not.
Take plastic use. If consumer preference had any meaningful effect, we would have seen a decline in plastic production as ecological awareness among us all as consumers increased from the 1980s and 1990s onwards. Instead, that period coincides with the fastest expansion of plastic production in history. More than half of all plastics ever created have been produced since 2000. That outcome alone should settle the question.
We do not meaningfully choose plastic as consumers. Plastic is chosen for us upstream because it is cheap and more profitable. Packaging, product design and supply chains are decided long before anything reaches a shelf. At the point of purchase, the “choice” is usually between one plastic-wrapped product and another. 30 years ago a Yorkie, a Dairy Milk and a Kit Kat were wrapped in paper and foil. Nowadays they’re all in plastic.
And opting out does not constrain production. It merely leaves surplus stock to be sold elsewhere. Smiths still sells the plastic crap toys, they just discount them. Ryanair still flies the planes whether we are on them or not.
Confirmation bias and echo chamber. Happens to us all when interacting online. Like I use youtube, instagram and facebook sometimes. Don't really use x or tik tok. Get my news from the irish examiner, el Mundo in Spain and Sky/BBC. Listen to music on youtube music. Listen to news and current affairs pocasts on spotify.
I mean 2025 was one of the calmest years for weather worldwide in the last few decades so perhaps wait for a bad year?
Bollox, the government should improve public transport, give workers the right to work at home where possible and push for renewable energy, grants for solar systems, stop bs objections to windfarms.
What I do is going to make fuck all difference to climate change, I’m still going to be into cars, drifting and eating mint. I don’t see why Europeans have to change their lifestyles, China, America and India are still going to pollute as much as ever.
Hahaha. Yeah. In my life everyone is racist. Right wing but doesn't know what right wing means people. Guess its what I get for under achieving and not being motivated and landed working in the drainage industry.
You can find them in any reddit post here calling for fewer cattle, less car use, fewer flights, or otherwise reducing this incredible consumptive life that we live. Then all sorts come out of the woodwork "China doesn't care", "Amoc collapse won't be that bad", "grass fed cattle are eco friendly"
We've billionaires taking private jets a few miles. We have nations dumping tons and tons of waste. Me washing my clothes at 20 degrees is doing nothing to help, yes I'll turn the lights off and yes I'll try to recycle but I'm not the problem, we all know what needs doing at it starts at the top.
Those billionaires make up a minute percentage of the population and even given their colossal personal carbon footprint, they are a drop in the ocean.
There’s more than 8 billion people and the ones who aren’t driving SUVs and eating McDonald’s are burning scrub grass to grow crops and burning coal for heat and cooking.
The real solution to climate change is our extinction as a species because every single one of us thinks it’s someone else’s responsibility.
Sure, why don't you start with yourself.
This self-hatred Malthusian bullshit is exactly what these "shadowy elites" are pushing.
Ireland is ruined ecologically so we can't really be pointing fingers anywhere when it comes to pollution, look what's happening to our waterways
I think some people feel it’s a bit rich to be told This, while the people ruling the world waste so much resources, and simultaneously wagging their fingers at ordinary people who are literally doing their best to get by.
Our society drives on consumerism like nothing I’ve ever seen before, tourism, fashion, make up, cosmetic surgery, big parades that leave cities destroyed in rubbish etc.
I know the planet is being harmed, but it’s not really the ordinary people who are driving it on. We can use our Re-Turn machines to get a few cents back on recycled cans, while there are people flying in jets all to themselves, to meetings on the other side of the world and flying back the same day. Same for celebrities etc. Taylor swift probably causes more harm in a long weekend than 100 people could hope to undue by making their little sacrifices for their whole Lives. I don’t think anyone wants the planet to get harmed, but most are powerless to the whims of rulers and billionaires who could expend immense resources and energy on treating themselves for a few days. Meanwhile ordinary people are shamed and guilt tripped night and day, year in year out
Who is guilt tripping you so much? Our gov do nothing RE climate change and biodiversity.
Well you can’t guilt trip me, I won’t buy it. But the climate issue is shoved down our throats, people are bombarded with apocalyptic language all the time over the climate, and the people saying all this to us, don’t care themselves. Oh I know our government aren’t doing all they can, that’s exactly what I’m saying here. We’ve planted heaps of trees on our private land, created ponds and habitats. We’ve scored as high for biodiversity on our land as you can be scored, we’ve never spread nitrates or pesticides or chemicals of any kind, nor have we ploughed it or anything. It’s one big natural meadow, divided by hedgerows and ditches. Yet the government is trying to take our right to farm away and give it to intensive farms, all in the name of the climate. That’s all i meant. People know there’s damage being done, they’re being taxed all the time for it. And the people taxing us, like you just said, don’t actually care or do much to help
how are they trying to take your right to farm away? i mean it's an area i'm interested in and i wouldn't say it's shoved down our throats at all, it's practically ignored.
It’s pushed on people a lot through ads, through “targets” through corporations claiming they’re striving to be “net zero” when this is all nonsense.We’re bombarded with the self righteous talk, from people who can but won’t make a difference, like you said they’re not really that pushed about it, but will run campaigns now and then to get more money off people. I’m saying that most ordinary people are doing what they can to not damage the planet, but the people in power, who are wagging their fingers at us, actively do stuff that destroys it. On a scale that makes what an ordinary person can do almost pointless, but it’s still important we do what we can, but taxing people over and over is the thing that makes people not buy what governments around the world are saying.
They’re trying to take the agricultural status off our land and many other small farmers and natural like myself. So they can give the “carbon credits” to intensive and factory farms, which is completely going against any idea of it harming the planet. They’re using the carbon thing as a weapon to take land off people, or take their rights to make a living off it anyways, while taking the reins off the unnatural, damaging farming methods. They’d have gotten away with it years ago but a few of us banded together and have been defending ourselves in the dail and over in Brussels since 2015. Been some effort now, and they just want us to give up. So when you’ve seen stuff like that from the inside, you know how twisted it can be
i have to disagree with most ordinary people are doing what they can not to damage the planet, most ordinary people couldn't give a flying fuck and consume everything without giving it a second thought
Oh yea we’re gone disgusting with consumerism here. It’s like a drug, and it’s pushed on us too, while they preach about “green targets” and I see labubus hanging off adults backpacks. Dumb cunts 🤣
Do you see what I meant about taking my right to farm away?
kind of yeah, that sucks. keep up the good work.
You're making less and less sense....
You wouldn’t get it
Private land.
Thinking you can own land and can with what you want on it is part of the problem. Even if you consider yourself a good custodian.
Did you read and see what i am doing on it? A lot more than you’re doing for the planet
Oh yea and it is private, come down and set foot on it and see
Missing the forest for the trees, twice.
It's nice you've built a lovely wild garden. It is a tiny amount towards what needs to be done.
Ireland was once a rainforest coast to coast. We've fuck all natural forests now. Land needs to be returned to the wild. Not as little private parks but as genuinely wild expanses of land. There should be at a minimum a contiguous forest from north to south, east to west, that covers 1/3rd of the land. Uninterrupted.
That is the bare minimum to stop an ecological collapse.
Oh you've a lovely garden that you threaten people if they go near.
Private ownership of land, consumerism, accumulation of wealth and property. These are the problems that are ultimately causing climate change and ecological collapse.
Oh you planted a few trees? Give me a fucking break.
Did you comment saying I'm the problem with the world and then delete it? Because it's not showing now. But I still have a notification.
Negativity isn't the problem with today's world. Apparently you just don't want to accept reality. Carry on.
"It's not my privilege that's the problem it's that you keep pointing it out!"
YAWN.
I didn’t delete it, i thought the whole thread got deleted. There i posted it again
What privilege? My family have been peasant farmers as far as the books go back. No privilege here except being born with the ability to work hard and pay my way. That could be seen as a privilege these days seeing as so few have it
Owns land.
Claims they don't have privilege.
You're lying to yourself.
What’s preventing anyone from owning land? It’s a choice not a privilege. If you own colonised land that was taken from indigenous people, that’s a different story, I’m anti-colonialism. But we are the indigenous people of this area.
Would you not like to own your own house or anything?
AMOC has left the chat.
The risk of the AMOC collapsing genuinely terrifies me
Going to be so hard to explain to the climate deniers why it's 10c colder all of a sudden.
They will have all the explanations they need from the next climate denier channel. See iTs nATurAl cYCles, temperature went up and now down
Well they explain more frequent flooding by “the council isn’t poking the drains” or “why are they building houses on a flood plain” or straight up conspiracy theories about government controlling the weather. I imagine it’ll just be some combination of that.
My favourite one was the absolute brain melt that happened recently when scientists started talking about reducing atmospheric warming caused by contrails by redirecting aircraft out of high moisture air.
If it's any consolation, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to at least be a gradual process, (if it does happen) rather than just dropping from 15°c one day to like -10°c the next day.
I became a vegetarian then vegan in my very early teens, I really bought into Linda McCartneys ethos and couldn't believe no one was enforcing a neat free Monday. I bought second hand clothes only and wore things till they literally were falling apart and i don't get new phones every year it gets replaced when I need to and not to have the latest brand. I refused to learn to drive and chose walking, cycling and public transport to get around because I didn't want to add to the carrbon emissions. I also made a conscious decision not to have children and add to the world population. I did all these things but never once preached to nor belittled others for their life choices. I just wanted to do my part in being kind to our earth and help it in the small ways I could. I know hippy dippy lol.
Fast forward to 9/11 I remember watching that and then the aftermath, the shock and awe bush inflicted and the realisation as it carried on that the actions of America were about oil. The amount of carbon emissions from the US army rivals that of any nation. And when I researched more I saw that china, the US, Russia, India are the biggest polluters in the world and really no matter what I as one person or even Ireland as a whole did it is irrelevant and makes zero difference.
So I had a child and learned to drive and bought an old petrol car. I buy fast fashion and while I'm still vegan I also accept that we as a species will destroy the earth. This won't happen in my lifetime nor probably that of my child's but it will happen. And all the mock concerns world leaders do when they sit around talking about carbon emissions and fines if nations don't meet them, it's just all for show, it means nothing in reality. So when we are told to expect more wild weather or drought etc it barely registers these days, this has been something I've been aware of since at least the 1980s and if a child has been aware then it's crazy to think that world leaders, industry heads have not yet nothing is ever done. I'm not trying to be pessimistic just acknowledging this extremeness is now reality and unless world leaders of the big countries and big carbon producers actually do something then it's irrelevant what we as a tiny nation do to lower our carbon emissions.
Cool story but why do you buy fast fashion if it's so horribly polluting? It doesn't matter where you come from, you're still a part of that reckless industry.
I mean it in the sense that I'm not overly concerned anymore. However I don't buy shein etc, h&m yes but I wear it till I have to sew holes lol, so I don't know if that is fast fashion per se. I still buy from charity shops but I don't avoid normal shops in the way I used to, is probably a better description.
Yeah, it's a labour issue too. Fast fashion companies like Shein/Zara/H&M/Penny's mostly employ mothers and children to work in their factories, and the working conditions are atrocious! They also pollute local water supplies - the Climate Crisis affects people around the world daily, but we're too comfortable and lazy to change
most of us aren't actually comfortable or lazy, we are broke and time poor and need socks and underpants.
I think the point they may have been trying to make is that no amount of washing out your tin cans or thrifting when you can is able to make up for the sheer industrial waste occurring on national scales.
So why make your own life extra hard, if it's not able to help anyone else?
Personally fast fashion abhors me so i stay away. I don't buy new electronics only second hand, never bought a new phone and just replaced my 15 year old tv I got second hand with another 2nd hand tv. Tiny gestures alright but if we weren't all such slaves to consumerism it would make a difference.
Congrats, you're better than the rest of us!
You've also missed the point, yet again.
Id be better than most western consumers who don't give these things a second thought yes
Well someone better get you a medal then!
And yet again, you're missing the point.
Congratulations on your child. What extremes? What proof is there that climate change is mostly due to man? Genuinely curious, you seem like you'd know a lot and I haven't read so much. Thanks 🙏
If we all did the right thing here our macro climate wouldn't change in any measurable way. What would be altered for the better is our ground level environment and ecology. The air is bigger than Ireland, and we've got two massive polluters just across the big pond. Yes Canada is guilty too, with their huge fires esp in the western states which carry on the jet stream.
Warming seas again bigger than Ireland, we're just the buoy in the water surrounded by the effects of the world.
We should act to save ourselves from our own worst behaviour, but we can't save ourselves from the rest of the planet's behaviour.
We've one of the best methods of carbon capture/sink at our feet in the globe. Yet we still allow people to cut turf and farm peatlands.
what if the EU did the right thing, of which we are part? 500 million people and china's biggest customer.
We have been happy to outsource our pollution, and should be paying for it really.
Should also buy less shit that breaks/worn once from China as well, obviously.
In other news - Water is wet!
Water isn't wet
wet is what water is
No wet is what water makes things, would you say paint is painted?
It is painted onto things…
Paint is painted on to things to make them painted, water is pour/splashed/soaked/dribbled on to things to make them wet
Wow! You guys are cool! Why doesn’t anyone offline want to listen to chat like this??
Plants are watered.
And made wet because they were watered
“Fire isn’t hot it makes things hot”
Yes fire isn't hot, it creates heat which makes things hot.
Ridiculous. That’s like saying glowing white steel isn’t hot, it just makes things it touches hot.
Glowing white steel is hot because of the heat from the fire that made the steel white glowing
Who said fire made the steel hot? Could be friction, induction, IR etc.
Those are just different way to create heat
It's also not emitting any light, if you want to get technical. The sun too.
Both technically blackbodies in terms of physics. Incandescent lights too. But not LEDs, those actually do emit light.
Being pedantic about any of this makes you sound like a lunatic, or at best an arsehole though.
It is when it's touching itself. I don't think there's many things water wets better than water.
Good news for us solar panel owners.
I think it's better news for heat pump owners. With a split unit, A/C in the summer will do wonders, and cheap heating in the winter regardless (even with monoblocs).
Aka, expect more green/carbon taxes on you income and lifestlye, even as energy hungry data centres for multinationals start appearing.
Any time we've a bit of ice or it goes over 22 degrees Celsius the media go into a frenzy. Where is the rising sea level they've been screaming about for decades.
Don't see anything alarming about the piece. 'Rainfall for the year was 104 per cent of the 1991-2020 long-term average.' so it was 4% above average? That's completely... average. Each year you could pick numbers that sound conclusive, but there's nothing there really. It was slightly warmer, ok? There was an average amount of rain, ok? It was hot in one place at one time in the year and cold in another place at another time of the year, ok? It was much warmer hundreds of years ago, the world survived. What's the fuss about lads, please enlighten me 🙏 every prediction, ever made, by these climate scientists has been so very wrong. Why should I listen to them now, when they're pointing out very normal weather and saying shite like the rain was 104% of the average year?
Ans there's me driving inefficiently to work today so that'll make it starker you're welcome.
Most of us will have the ACs on.
Extreme weather? Temperatures above 25 are not extreme. It’s what Europe calls spring usually. If we get to regular 30 degree summers it would be amazing.
And on the flip side, winters at -5 with some snow are not extreme. It’s a mild winter. At this moment, my mom living in Croatia, is at -13. She just puts on extra layers and a thick scarf, and carries on.
Having actual seasons is amazing. A constant 15 degree drizzle weather is not good.
It’s extreme for Ireland though I think Met Eireann are speaking more specifically about Ireland.
It’s not extreme for people. People can handle 25 degree summers. We evolved to do so. Calling warmer summers “extreme” is silly.
Storms are another story tho.
‘Extreme’ in the meteorological sense doesn’t have anything to do with what humans can tolerate, it’s about deviations from historical climate norms. You might prefer warmer later summers and drier winters but our ecology does not.
It isn't silly, because you're ignoring the context. Yes people can handle it, but the difference is extreme, for Ireland, and the ramifications such a change has on everything else.
High temperature means more heavy rain and flooding. Extremes means wetter summers like 2024 when we had a fodder shortage due to raining too often.
Oh buddy you really aren't aware of some of the possibilities with the collapse of AMOC. We could see winter extremes of -22. Also the extreme weather will likely manifest itself in seemingly random weather events out of season. You talk about lovely 30c summers but how about hard frosts in June, or one of those record breaking winter storms we've been getting, except every month. You might think this isn't a big deal but a single late spring frost will knock out early crops, a June frost would destroy all our produce for that year. Likewise wintery storms will knock all crops and increased rainfall will mea no forage will be harvested. This will kill agriculture as we know it.
Yawn.
Let's see what happens. We are where we are now I suppose.