He never respects any request and will intentionally do the opposite. Look at what he did to the dunes in Scotland and when he built his Trump Tower in NYC he mindlessly destroyed the artwork and art deco architecture from the previous building that was promised to be donated to preserve a part of NYC history.
I get that most of the hotel's custom is made up of MAGAts but any Irish person giving them business should be shunned.
How anyone can work in Doonbeg and sleep at night is an absolute mystery to me. They're literally working on behalf of a warmongering, rapist, paedophile con-man.
IDGAF if there are limited employment options in the area: organise a boycott so they're forced to firesale the property as no-one will staff it for them, sign-on, move for employment elsewhere. No paycheque is worth your soul (and I say that as an atheist).
IDGAF if there are limited employment options in the area: organise a boycott so they're forced to firesale the property as no-one will staff it for them, sign-on, move for employment elsewhere. No paycheque is worth your soul
Ah come on, I'm an idealist but even for me that's a bit of a stretch, I don't disagree with the principle but if you expect people to quit their jobs, protest, sign-in, and move their family and homes elsewhere just to spite Trump I think you can agree that's a little ridiculous.
There's dignity in any line of working for a living. And there's shame in working for the evil people. I'm sure the prison guards in Auschwitz were firmly working class too.
There's dignity in any line of working for a living. And there's shame in working for the evil people. I'm sure the prison guards in Auschwitz were firmly working class too
Guards of a concentration camp literally imprisoning people and causing genocide based on their religion vs a hotel worker....that analogy probably sounded better in your head?
There’s no degrees of separation between the two, this is just such a bad faith argument…
Please, tell me how working in a hotel as a cleaner, receptionist, or manager, waiter, waitress, chef, is comparable to working as an ICE agent or in a detention centre?
I’ve already made a million arguments on the working under Trump aspect of working in the hotel on this thread, so read those before you pivot to they “both work for Trump” because that’s an already lazy argument that actually has no correlation between the actual roles and services the jobs provide.
The Hotel was there long before him and it'll be there long after, it supports the region and has a knock on of 100s of jobs.
I look forward to you boycotting
Apple for child labor,
Most internet providers for using Israel communication links
Everything from Chinese companies with Government ties for spying on you
Everything from Chinese companies with Government ties for (alleged) genocide against the Uyghur population
Every Irish company with Ties to Russia
If you have a list of every Irish company with ties to Russia, I'd genuinely appreciate it. (no sarcasm)
I've never bought an Apple product and already try to avoid as much chinese produced goods as I can though I'm not sure it's realistically possible unless you're rich enough to buy a huge tract of land and go live an entirely off-grid lifestyle.,.
I'm not going to look it up but I do remember after the backlash there were a lot of Irish companies that had to either completely leave Russia or setup new companies just for Russia, and there were several of those with some kind of Russian involvement
On top of the list I gave,
You could include a lot of companies for exploitation of natural resources, water, indigenous people, straight up health and safety.
If you listen to certain People you shouldn't support anything Bill Gates touches because of Epstein, and you shouldn't watch a whole host of films or TV shows because of the people involved and thus supporting the alleged horrific behavior while on his island.
It is virtually impossibly to not support some kind of horrible person through consumerism, even indirectly - like when on holiday and using the company of an local gang.
So preaching that all these people should just go work somewhere else is tone deaf, people work there, get paid and go home and they can still hate Trump, people can go there to stay/eat/golf and still hate trump, yes those latter people are in a small way contributing to Donald via the company, but it's such a small value it's basically negligible in the grand scheme of things. You be better off using your energy to go after Politicians and the Government over matters that affect People, not whether or not 0.5 % of a coffee goes to Trump.
They can hate him all they like but if they're still directly contributing to his fortunes via their custom or their labours, they need to go look at themselves in a mirror.
I agree that it's "virtually impossibly to not support some kind of horrible person through consumerism" but it's pretty damn easy when that person festoons their name over everything they own. It's one good aspect of his narcissim: it's easy to avoid lining his pockets.
Spoken by someone who likely has a comfortable life and a paycheck and the means to survive a week or so without pay. Privileged shit like this makes me laugh. Pulling a wage out of a corporation is not comparable to supporting that dumbass in the slightest
You are completely and utterly disregarding individual circumstances. Maybe someone has to work there to live and survive in an area so they can support an ageing parent. Maybe they hate the man and the hotel but can't leave without inflicting severe hardship on themselves. Working in a place does not equate supporting it.
Do you think they're working for him because they support his policies?
Please, define supporting him in your words.
Because if everyone stopped working for a company because their work indirectly profits horrible people, a lot of people will have to end up quitting their jobs.
But yes, lets keep blaming the working class and fight amongst ourselves because we aren't righteous enough, it's complete bullshit
I wouldn't say that him indirectly profiting from your labour is a message of support towards Trump, they're not exactly financially supporting him on any individual level either.
It doesn't matter what class they are, this is just a fact.
Of course it does, because these people most likely don't have the financial freedom to be able to pick and choose their jobs, and punching down and blaming the worker based on the behaviour of the executives of their companies is a lazy argument and doesn't acknowledge any nuance in their personal situations.
It's just an easy way to blame and point fingers
Let me ask you, someone quits this job because it goes against their morals, admirable sure...but who does this effect more? The worker that now has to go find a new job, burn through savings, potentially move town, or Donald Trump?
The fact that nonsense like this gets upvoted shows me how out of touch people are on this subreddit with the real world. I hope it’s just naivety as a result of being young…
The conflating of supporting politically with the support of holding a receptionist job in the golf club he bought (instead of just moving away from your home area to another one with non-Trump adjacent jobs) is wild.
Okay, but say you had three children to feed in fairly remote Doonbeg and you didn’t want to leave the area you are from. This comment reeks of a sort of classism; it’s anti-worker.
Easy to say if you're not one of the people depending on that place for work - I'm sure there are loads of people there who are putting providing for their families ahead of making a stand, and that's not an unreasonable choice
Who's depending on the place for work? Why can't they seek work elsewhere? I've moved county for work more than once myself and did so twice in my childhood it's a perfectly normal aspect of life.
Nothing in my post was anti-worker. In fact, I'd be all for the state confiscating the property (or using a compulsory purchase order if neccessary) and handing it over to be run as a co-op by the people of Doonbeg.
My argument is a moral one: neither Doonbeg, nor Ireland, should be putting money in the Trump crime family coffers.
I wouldn't call finding myself out of work and having to re-locate for it a "privilege"
Were you in or out of work voluntarily? Because that's an important distinction here.
Being able to choose to leave your job of your own volition and relocate to a new job is a privilege.
For all your wailing about the working class you sure do like to make excuses for those that support the orange face of the parasite class.
Please point to any excuses I made for the wealthy/elite in my arguments, I'll wait, because I made an argument already about how working class people working for a company is in no way directly supporting the elite.
I've never been out of work voluntarily with the exception of not working during the school year when I was doing my Leaving Cert... and even that was more my mother's decision than mine. I'd consider having to relocate for work a hardship but if the only other choice is to accept employment from a tyrant, I wouldn't consider it an unreasonable one.
The elite derive their wealth from the efforts of the working class (and a global economic system that rewards capital more than labour). Unless one is providing less labour than one is being fairly paid for, it's impossible to argue that working for a company isn't supporting the company's owner(s).
I've never been out of work voluntarily with the exception of not working during the school year when I was doing my Leaving Cert... and even that was more my mother's decision than mine
So then why are you expecting people to voluntarily leave their positions on the basis of some moral grandstanding? Do you not understand the level of privilege required to be able to quit your job under those circumstances?
Unless one is providing less labour than one is being fairly paid for, it's impossible to argue that working for a company isn't supporting the company's owner(s)
Not directly though and out of a necessity to their own benefit over the owners.
I pay rent once a month, does that mean I am voluntarily supporting my landlord, or am I doing it because I need a place to live?
Does a nurse working at a private hospital support profiteering on someone's poor health?
Those that worked there before his ownership have had a deade to find less immoral employment. Those that joined during have made an active choice to work for him.
If you knew your landlord was a racist paedophile, a sex trafficker, a war crinimal, a rapist (or all of the above) would you continue paying rent to them? Or would you look for somewhere else to live?
Logically speaking, a nurse working at a private hospital isn't supporting profiteering on someone's poor health, he or she is actively profiteering from it. Unless the hospital happens to be owned by someone who poses a direct threat to the safety of western democracy, however, they're no less a victim of the system we live in than any of the rest of us,
Those that worked there before his ownership have had a deade to find less immoral employment. Those that joined during have made an active choice to work for him.
And what if they couldn't find a new job? What if they have family to take care of? A mortgage in the area? You don't seem to understand what I mean when I say having the option to just uproot or move jobs is a privilege that not everyone can take advantage of.
If you knew your landlord was a racist paedophile, a sex trafficker, a war crinimal, a rapist (or all of the above) would you continue paying rent to them? Or would you look for somewhere else to live
If my landlord was Trump, I would look for somewhere else to live, but if I couldn't find somewhere I wouldn't make myself voluntarily homeless either, I'm not paying because I want to support Trump, I'm doing it because I don't want to be homeless...
Logically speaking, a nurse working at a private hospital isn't supporting profiteering on someone's poor health, he or she is actively profiteering from I
But earlier you said
The elite derive their wealth from the efforts of the working class.
So, is the nurse actively profiting, or is the executive? How can someone be profiteering in a business that is exploiting them?
Unless the hospital happens to be owned by someone who poses a direct threat to the safety of western democracy, however, they're no less a victim of the system we live in than any of the rest of us
So you are the moral arbiter that gets to decide where the line is drawn in the sand then? And the nurses are a victim of the system, but not the workers in the hotel? Got it.
I didn't say it a was a bad course (I wouldn't have a clue, I don't golf).
The hotel and course would be far more valuable to the local economy if they were locally owned.
Anyone working there has no moral compass.
If the people of the village don't want to be associated with rape, paedophilia, organised crime, war crimes, treason, sedition or any of Trump's other crimes, they should be organising to ensure he can't do business there with the aim of forcing him to sell it (preferably at a loss).
Yes if it was locally owned, it would be more valuable to the local economy. I don't think the local community is gonna crowdfund 150 million odd to buy it. Would you prefer it went to ruin?
I doubt anyone in the village would like to be associated with that. Boycotting the hotel though would lead to economic ruin and desolation of the area.
They may not like it but if the name Trump is on their paycheque, they're associated with the sociopath and his crimes. They've morally compromised themselves for that paycheque.
Doonbeg may have limited employment options but if you can't find honest work locally, you commute or you move.
If the workers of Doonbeg organised they could make the business loss making very quickly. They'd also reeceive international press coverage which could draw a prospective buyer out of the woodwork. Failing that, €150m is nothing to a national government: it could be run as a state-owned employment scheme.
Not going to dox myself but for a small Irish owned company that doesn't do business with war criminals and you have my word that it it emerges that the owners are outed as paedophiles and sex traffickers, I'll hand my notice in the next day.
When you reduce your argument to ad-hominem attacks, it's safe to say it didn't have much weight to begin with.
It would seem from your rabid attempts to defend the immoral actions of his workers that it's a reasonable assumption that you're on the paedo's payroll yourself?
Supporting a family, keeping an area alive, etc. are all perfectly valid reasons for working. Your comment literally says to quit a job and go on social welfare. While this might suit someone like you, for the majority, this isn't a runner.
Keeping rural populations alive is vitally important. Doonbeg brings an enormous amount of money into west Clare.
I hope you can stay in your perfect, ethical, insular job, because if you had to move into the real world you might not be so picky.
By your own posts, you have no issue supporting the Tobacco industry, which surely you would be against???
And that changes what exactly? He's a pedophile. A rapist. A con man. A misogynist. A racist. He has no redeeming features, and "but but but" like you're doing proves him right. He can do whatever he likes, with no consequences. Your take is very "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". Gross
Use logic ffs. Trump is one of the best representations of the evils of unfettered capitalism and billionaire parasites possible. If the working class (which I'm very much part of) want better lives, we're gong to have to stand up to him and his ilk sooner or later.
You really don't rally people to the cause by insisting some people should leave their jobs during a cost of living crisis. I understand your point, he's an awful bastard, but some people that work there might be barely scraping by on the wages they make there and you want them to just quit and possibly go on the dole until they find something else? There's a time for idealism and a time for realism, this is the latter
I think it's not unreasonable to have sympathy for those that worked at Doonbeg before he acquired it but for anyone who's joined the staff since, it's out the window: they've made a concious choice to work for him.
Were the staff to organise, unionise and walk out en-masse in protest of his ownership, I think it's quite easy to imagine any loss of earnings during the picket could be easily made up by crowdfunding. It'd make global headlines and the gofundme would end up on the frontpage of reddit very quickly.
Doonbeg before he acquired it but for anyone who's joined the staff since, it's out the window: they've made a concious choice to work for him.
Why do you refuse to acknowledge the point people keep making that people’s choices are potentially limited and it’s not a one size fits all solution.
Were the staff to organise, unionise and walk out en-masse in protest of his ownership, I think it's quite easy to imagine any loss of earnings during the picket could be easily made up by crowdfunding. It'd make global headlines and the gofundme would end up on the frontpage of reddit very quickly.
You don’t live in the real world…so they should all quit in the hopes a that a go fund me is started…
Let’s just say the hotel has 100 staff. All of varying wages of course, but let’s just say for arguments sake and I’m gonna low ball it here, they earn an average of 30k a year.
Which would be 250,000 a month for all the staff.
How long would it take a kickstarter to reach this?
Could the staff survive without wages until this?
How is it distributed? Does everyone get an equal divide despite the fact that they all won’t be earning the same?
That’s also 100 staff that now don’t have jobs…that’s not 100 people on the job market competing for jobs…I’m pretty sure there isn’t 100 jobs in hotels in the area, and there definitely isn’t a one to one replacement for each individual job.
You’re asking people on this thread to think logically despite just talking based on pure emotion and pie in the sky idealism that everything will work out for these people if they just quit tomorrow
I was laughing at the idea of Trump being furious by one of his bloody ballrooms buying held up by a snail. And then I read that it is Friends of the Irish Environment. The same lads who were featured on Primetime a couple of years ago as holding up essential development across the country by objecting to everything. Really a case of a plague on both their houses.
In this case they don't have a proper room for weddings. They advertise a "5 star wedding venue" but it's actually a dressed up marquee.
I know some eejits that got married there. Their entire family think trump is great but their sons wedding was guests were baltic after the wedding night in winter. Food was also mediocre.
I never thought I'd find meself rooting for the NIMBY's.
But strange times make for strange bedfellows.
Could it have an impact on coastal erosion? Has the extra traffic been taken into account of? The negative imact on the aesthetic heritage of the building? The requirement of the Ranger Wing to use it as a landing strip in the event notorious War Criminals and Paedophiles need to be arrested?
This is the bullshit that stops stuff getting built and drives the prices of houses up, great Trump is getting stung but this is rot to any kind of progress in the country. Don't forget that
No its ridiculous you think a ballroom at the 10th house of a single rich human is more important than a rare species of animal.
In a thousand years what do you think mattered more biodiversity or some billionaires vanity project in 2026? Its not just a snail species, its part of an local eco system
Have you no understanding of the value of biodiversity and the many priceless services and benefits it brings to your life and that of others? If you don't understand it you could at least have a little respect for it. Prioritising construction over the environment has led us down a very dangerous path that we may not be able to walk back from, we're at a level of crisis with our biodiversity loss, climate, and pollution, and you'd rather see Trump's golf course ballroom go ahead than do something about it.
How many objections have being launched against housing developments because of snails is the question. There’s being housing estates cancelled in Tralee or Killarney before because of bats. I know of people who couldn’t because of biodiversity concerns for stuff similar to snails.
A ballroom have the same biodiversity limitations for planning.
How many objections have being launched against housing developments because of snails is the question.
If you're claiming snails or even protecting biodiversity are three leading cause of the housing crisis then you should already know that number, so how many is it?
What value are bats and snails to your life? It's ok to say you don't know.
Don’t complain about the housing crisis if you think snails more important than construction
How many houses are being built in Doonbeg for families in this scenario?
I'm pretty sure it's zero.
It's a ballroom, which will be derelict in a hundred years or more. A temporary structure when you zoom out in the grand scheme of life on this planet. I'd happily trade a function room on an island full of other function rooms for ecology any day.
You are all over this sub saying a big part of the housing crisis is due to the protection of rare animals. Could you take a minute to post some links to information about this? Like, where, when, what wildlife and exactly how many houses did not get built as a result?
We have a responsibility to the flora and fauna on this island, issues regarding the needs of rare native species should absolutely be enough to hold up construction projects.
And that’s totally outside of the fact that anything hold that name should be fired into space.
Don’t blame anyone else when you’re paying half a million for a house then. This specific project is not an issue. But rules like these are ridiculous and a big factor in why we will never see cheaper houses.
You can be certain that if someone as rich and powerful as trump can’t get around these restrictions. Then everything including the important ones are being blocked by nonsense like this.
Shite like this is why we are stuck with 50s level infrastructure across the country.
They have a "temporary" ballroom which has been up the last few years for weddings etc. We should be encouraging people and companies to invest in Ireland.
It absofuckinglutely is up to us. It’s not “any person or company”, it’s a vanity project from a criminal up to his orange tits in an international paedophile ring.
With respect, this isn't one of those cases where a piece of critical housing, environmental or public transport is being held up over nonsense. I also don't like the name ballroom, he's obsessed with it.
It's just the big room where weddings and conferences can take place. Every decent hotel has several. His hotel only has 184 rooms which while I'm sure they're lovely - it isn't like he's building a groundbreaking convention centre on the property. There's very little benefit to the area beyond initial construction and then having a nice room to have the local Toastmaster meeting in.
This is a symptom of the problem. If you were looking from outside at developing something in Ireland, then this is a further example of why not to. Our planning system is total shite. The "temporary" venue has been up for 15+ years.
Yes, and doonbeg doesn't have a large function room for weddings. Currently the weddings take place in a marque outside, which isn't really ideal, especially next to the Atlantic. It doesn't need to be groundbreaking. The hotel provides an enormous amount of tourism for the area, stifling it's growth only impacts the locals.
Liberal Institutionalism: We must protect the snails as they are a protected species. We must uphold the principals and laws as much as possible through an internationally agreed framework.
Realism: Will mowing the snails damage Mr. Trumps lawnmower?
'mon the rare snails!
The slime must flow.
No slugs allowed until the snails are safe
He never respects any request and will intentionally do the opposite. Look at what he did to the dunes in Scotland and when he built his Trump Tower in NYC he mindlessly destroyed the artwork and art deco architecture from the previous building that was promised to be donated to preserve a part of NYC history.
Rare snails: a great bunch of lads.
It looks like a drive through McDonalds with notions.
USA.exe
Have you seen his place in Florida? Like when you give a child gold and silver ink pens at Christmas.
Sure look what he did to the Oval Office. It looks like something you'd see on The Only Way Is Essex.
When is this Big Beautiful Obituary coming!?
Not soon enough.
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Feck him and his ballrooms. This will be part of the sanctions against his family by the state in future, I'd imagine.
YEAH!!! FUCK HIM AND HIS BALLROOM!!! GO WAN THE SLUGS!!!!!
Pretty bold of you to think our government would ever dare to sanction any member of the Trump family.
Thank God for rare snails
The owner is a convicted criminal. CAB should be seizing that property and using it for emergency accommodation.
Y'know this the one time where I'm actually on the NIMBY's side.
Absolute dreg 😂🤦♂️
That does look bad. Same architect as the White House Ballroom?
Architect is a very generous word for "some fuckwit with a half-eaten box of crayons"
Expect an AI post from Trump of him cooking snails.
Excuse the poor Canva job but it'll do
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I get that most of the hotel's custom is made up of MAGAts but any Irish person giving them business should be shunned.
How anyone can work in Doonbeg and sleep at night is an absolute mystery to me. They're literally working on behalf of a warmongering, rapist, paedophile con-man.
IDGAF if there are limited employment options in the area: organise a boycott so they're forced to firesale the property as no-one will staff it for them, sign-on, move for employment elsewhere. No paycheque is worth your soul (and I say that as an atheist).
The people working in it are just making a living. The Irish people who play the course or have dinner in the place, they need a slap.
Ah come on, I'm an idealist but even for me that's a bit of a stretch, I don't disagree with the principle but if you expect people to quit their jobs, protest, sign-in, and move their family and homes elsewhere just to spite Trump I think you can agree that's a little ridiculous.
Yeah, people need to work ffs. So many people in this sub live in a deluded bubble
I feel like a lot of people here work in tech and the like and can’t fathom doing jobs like working in hotels.
Work in tech and come from a middle to upper middle class background
I've worked in hotels, my eldest lad still does.
There's dignity in any line of working for a living. And there's shame in working for the evil people. I'm sure the prison guards in Auschwitz were firmly working class too.
Guards of a concentration camp literally imprisoning people and causing genocide based on their religion vs a hotel worker....that analogy probably sounded better in your head?
Good thing America doesn't run any concentration camps haha
I'm sorry, are these hotel workers working at ICE facilities part time?
It's a false moral equivalence and you know that
At how many degrees of separation from said facilities does a job become acceptable to you?
Is this a real argument you’re trying to make?
There’s no degrees of separation between the two, this is just such a bad faith argument…
Please, tell me how working in a hotel as a cleaner, receptionist, or manager, waiter, waitress, chef, is comparable to working as an ICE agent or in a detention centre?
I’ve already made a million arguments on the working under Trump aspect of working in the hotel on this thread, so read those before you pivot to they “both work for Trump” because that’s an already lazy argument that actually has no correlation between the actual roles and services the jobs provide.
Yeah, not my point and you’re disgusting for bringing the holocaust into this. Good day to you.
Christ alive the disillusionment is strong with this one.
The Hotel was there long before him and it'll be there long after, it supports the region and has a knock on of 100s of jobs.
I look forward to you boycotting
Apple for child labor,
Most internet providers for using Israel communication links
Everything from Chinese companies with Government ties for spying on you
Everything from Chinese companies with Government ties for (alleged) genocide against the Uyghur population
Every Irish company with Ties to Russia
If you have a list of every Irish company with ties to Russia, I'd genuinely appreciate it. (no sarcasm)
I've never bought an Apple product and already try to avoid as much chinese produced goods as I can though I'm not sure it's realistically possible unless you're rich enough to buy a huge tract of land and go live an entirely off-grid lifestyle.,.
I'm not going to look it up but I do remember after the backlash there were a lot of Irish companies that had to either completely leave Russia or setup new companies just for Russia, and there were several of those with some kind of Russian involvement
On top of the list I gave,
You could include a lot of companies for exploitation of natural resources, water, indigenous people, straight up health and safety.
If you listen to certain People you shouldn't support anything Bill Gates touches because of Epstein, and you shouldn't watch a whole host of films or TV shows because of the people involved and thus supporting the alleged horrific behavior while on his island.
It is virtually impossibly to not support some kind of horrible person through consumerism, even indirectly - like when on holiday and using the company of an local gang.
So preaching that all these people should just go work somewhere else is tone deaf, people work there, get paid and go home and they can still hate Trump, people can go there to stay/eat/golf and still hate trump, yes those latter people are in a small way contributing to Donald via the company, but it's such a small value it's basically negligible in the grand scheme of things. You be better off using your energy to go after Politicians and the Government over matters that affect People, not whether or not 0.5 % of a coffee goes to Trump.
They can hate him all they like but if they're still directly contributing to his fortunes via their custom or their labours, they need to go look at themselves in a mirror.
I agree that it's "virtually impossibly to not support some kind of horrible person through consumerism" but it's pretty damn easy when that person festoons their name over everything they own. It's one good aspect of his narcissim: it's easy to avoid lining his pockets.
Are your arms tired from virtue-signalling that you're too informed for virtue signalling?
Spoken by someone who likely has a comfortable life and a paycheck and the means to survive a week or so without pay. Privileged shit like this makes me laugh. Pulling a wage out of a corporation is not comparable to supporting that dumbass in the slightest
If your labour make him money, you're supporting him. Simple, rational, logic.
You are completely and utterly disregarding individual circumstances. Maybe someone has to work there to live and survive in an area so they can support an ageing parent. Maybe they hate the man and the hotel but can't leave without inflicting severe hardship on themselves. Working in a place does not equate supporting it.
Absolute bullshit
No, it's a complete fact.
By that logic sweatshop workers support their employers, which I'm fairly certain they (typically) don't.
Support doesn't just mean you're a fan.
Are you legitimately saying sweatshop workers are to blame for "supporting" their employers?
Mate, that's moronic.
Well, we can all make up stuff
So this wasn't you saying that "If your labour make him money, you're supporting him" is "a complete fact"?
Okay then, define supporting him
It's already been done.
How? Because their labour ultimately profits him?
Do you think they're working for him because they support his policies?
Please, define supporting him in your words.
Because if everyone stopped working for a company because their work indirectly profits horrible people, a lot of people will have to end up quitting their jobs.
But yes, lets keep blaming the working class and fight amongst ourselves because we aren't righteous enough, it's complete bullshit
You've already said how it quite literally supports him.
It doesn't matter what class they are, this is just a fact.
I wouldn't say that him indirectly profiting from your labour is a message of support towards Trump, they're not exactly financially supporting him on any individual level either.
Of course it does, because these people most likely don't have the financial freedom to be able to pick and choose their jobs, and punching down and blaming the worker based on the behaviour of the executives of their companies is a lazy argument and doesn't acknowledge any nuance in their personal situations.
It's just an easy way to blame and point fingers
Let me ask you, someone quits this job because it goes against their morals, admirable sure...but who does this effect more? The worker that now has to go find a new job, burn through savings, potentially move town, or Donald Trump?
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Shut it down boys, it’s all downhill from here
The fact that nonsense like this gets upvoted shows me how out of touch people are on this subreddit with the real world. I hope it’s just naivety as a result of being young…
The conflating of supporting politically with the support of holding a receptionist job in the golf club he bought (instead of just moving away from your home area to another one with non-Trump adjacent jobs) is wild.
Okay, but say you had three children to feed in fairly remote Doonbeg and you didn’t want to leave the area you are from. This comment reeks of a sort of classism; it’s anti-worker.
Easy to say if you're not one of the people depending on that place for work - I'm sure there are loads of people there who are putting providing for their families ahead of making a stand, and that's not an unreasonable choice
Who's depending on the place for work? Why can't they seek work elsewhere? I've moved county for work more than once myself and did so twice in my childhood it's a perfectly normal aspect of life.
Nothing in my post was anti-worker. In fact, I'd be all for the state confiscating the property (or using a compulsory purchase order if neccessary) and handing it over to be run as a co-op by the people of Doonbeg.
My argument is a moral one: neither Doonbeg, nor Ireland, should be putting money in the Trump crime family coffers.
Because maybe you have a privilege that these people may not have?
I wouldn't call finding myself out of work and having to re-locate for it a "privilege"
For all your wailing about the working class you sure do like to make excuses for those that support the orange face of the parasite class.
Were you in or out of work voluntarily? Because that's an important distinction here.
Being able to choose to leave your job of your own volition and relocate to a new job is a privilege.
Please point to any excuses I made for the wealthy/elite in my arguments, I'll wait, because I made an argument already about how working class people working for a company is in no way directly supporting the elite.
You're intentionally conflating arguments.
I've never been out of work voluntarily with the exception of not working during the school year when I was doing my Leaving Cert... and even that was more my mother's decision than mine. I'd consider having to relocate for work a hardship but if the only other choice is to accept employment from a tyrant, I wouldn't consider it an unreasonable one.
The elite derive their wealth from the efforts of the working class (and a global economic system that rewards capital more than labour). Unless one is providing less labour than one is being fairly paid for, it's impossible to argue that working for a company isn't supporting the company's owner(s).
So then why are you expecting people to voluntarily leave their positions on the basis of some moral grandstanding? Do you not understand the level of privilege required to be able to quit your job under those circumstances?
Not directly though and out of a necessity to their own benefit over the owners.
I pay rent once a month, does that mean I am voluntarily supporting my landlord, or am I doing it because I need a place to live?
Does a nurse working at a private hospital support profiteering on someone's poor health?
I mean, you need some perspective here.
Those that worked there before his ownership have had a deade to find less immoral employment. Those that joined during have made an active choice to work for him.
If you knew your landlord was a racist paedophile, a sex trafficker, a war crinimal, a rapist (or all of the above) would you continue paying rent to them? Or would you look for somewhere else to live?
Logically speaking, a nurse working at a private hospital isn't supporting profiteering on someone's poor health, he or she is actively profiteering from it. Unless the hospital happens to be owned by someone who poses a direct threat to the safety of western democracy, however, they're no less a victim of the system we live in than any of the rest of us,
And what if they couldn't find a new job? What if they have family to take care of? A mortgage in the area? You don't seem to understand what I mean when I say having the option to just uproot or move jobs is a privilege that not everyone can take advantage of.
If my landlord was Trump, I would look for somewhere else to live, but if I couldn't find somewhere I wouldn't make myself voluntarily homeless either, I'm not paying because I want to support Trump, I'm doing it because I don't want to be homeless...
But earlier you said
So, is the nurse actively profiting, or is the executive? How can someone be profiteering in a business that is exploiting them?
So you are the moral arbiter that gets to decide where the line is drawn in the sand then? And the nurses are a victim of the system, but not the workers in the hotel? Got it.
What do you do for a living yourself?
Why does that matter? Neither my employer, nor our customers could be considered the greatest threat to world peace living.
Ah I just wanna virtue signal at you and judge you for how you earn a living ovo
One of the best courses in the country, totally invaluable hotel and course to the local economy etc.
The whole area would be severely depopulated if not for it.
I didn't say it a was a bad course (I wouldn't have a clue, I don't golf).
The hotel and course would be far more valuable to the local economy if they were locally owned.
Anyone working there has no moral compass.
If the people of the village don't want to be associated with rape, paedophilia, organised crime, war crimes, treason, sedition or any of Trump's other crimes, they should be organising to ensure he can't do business there with the aim of forcing him to sell it (preferably at a loss).
Lol, you are honestly deluded.
Yes if it was locally owned, it would be more valuable to the local economy. I don't think the local community is gonna crowdfund 150 million odd to buy it. Would you prefer it went to ruin?
I doubt anyone in the village would like to be associated with that. Boycotting the hotel though would lead to economic ruin and desolation of the area.
They may not like it but if the name Trump is on their paycheque, they're associated with the sociopath and his crimes. They've morally compromised themselves for that paycheque.
Doonbeg may have limited employment options but if you can't find honest work locally, you commute or you move.
If the workers of Doonbeg organised they could make the business loss making very quickly. They'd also reeceive international press coverage which could draw a prospective buyer out of the woodwork. Failing that, €150m is nothing to a national government: it could be run as a state-owned employment scheme.
Delusional. Impressive level even for reddit.
Where do you work?
Not going to dox myself but for a small Irish owned company that doesn't do business with war criminals and you have my word that it it emerges that the owners are outed as paedophiles and sex traffickers, I'll hand my notice in the next day.
Delusional. Genuinely delusional.
When you reduce your argument to ad-hominem attacks, it's safe to say it didn't have much weight to begin with.
It would seem from your rabid attempts to defend the immoral actions of his workers that it's a reasonable assumption that you're on the paedo's payroll yourself?
No, your comments are delusional.
Supporting a family, keeping an area alive, etc. are all perfectly valid reasons for working. Your comment literally says to quit a job and go on social welfare. While this might suit someone like you, for the majority, this isn't a runner.
Keeping rural populations alive is vitally important. Doonbeg brings an enormous amount of money into west Clare.
I hope you can stay in your perfect, ethical, insular job, because if you had to move into the real world you might not be so picky.
By your own posts, you have no issue supporting the Tobacco industry, which surely you would be against???
Hypocrite, as well as delusional.
And that changes what exactly? He's a pedophile. A rapist. A con man. A misogynist. A racist. He has no redeeming features, and "but but but" like you're doing proves him right. He can do whatever he likes, with no consequences. Your take is very "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". Gross
It’d make sense that you don’t care about the working class.
Use logic ffs. Trump is one of the best representations of the evils of unfettered capitalism and billionaire parasites possible. If the working class (which I'm very much part of) want better lives, we're gong to have to stand up to him and his ilk sooner or later.
You really don't rally people to the cause by insisting some people should leave their jobs during a cost of living crisis. I understand your point, he's an awful bastard, but some people that work there might be barely scraping by on the wages they make there and you want them to just quit and possibly go on the dole until they find something else? There's a time for idealism and a time for realism, this is the latter
I think it's not unreasonable to have sympathy for those that worked at Doonbeg before he acquired it but for anyone who's joined the staff since, it's out the window: they've made a concious choice to work for him.
Were the staff to organise, unionise and walk out en-masse in protest of his ownership, I think it's quite easy to imagine any loss of earnings during the picket could be easily made up by crowdfunding. It'd make global headlines and the gofundme would end up on the frontpage of reddit very quickly.
Why do you refuse to acknowledge the point people keep making that people’s choices are potentially limited and it’s not a one size fits all solution.
You don’t live in the real world…so they should all quit in the hopes a that a go fund me is started…
Let’s just say the hotel has 100 staff. All of varying wages of course, but let’s just say for arguments sake and I’m gonna low ball it here, they earn an average of 30k a year.
Which would be 250,000 a month for all the staff.
How long would it take a kickstarter to reach this?
Could the staff survive without wages until this?
How is it distributed? Does everyone get an equal divide despite the fact that they all won’t be earning the same?
That’s also 100 staff that now don’t have jobs…that’s not 100 people on the job market competing for jobs…I’m pretty sure there isn’t 100 jobs in hotels in the area, and there definitely isn’t a one to one replacement for each individual job.
You’re asking people on this thread to think logically despite just talking based on pure emotion and pie in the sky idealism that everything will work out for these people if they just quit tomorrow
I've been there both before and after Trump bought it. It's a top notch hotel. I wouldn't be rushing back however.
I was laughing at the idea of Trump being furious by one of his bloody ballrooms buying held up by a snail. And then I read that it is Friends of the Irish Environment. The same lads who were featured on Primetime a couple of years ago as holding up essential development across the country by objecting to everything. Really a case of a plague on both their houses.
Be awful if they got raided by the US, truly awful.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend it seems.
Lad is obsessed with ballrooms
What is his obsession with ballrooms about?
He’s a tacky, clownish shitstain who fancies himself as some sort of Great Gatsby type socialite.
He has held many a beauty pageant for young girls in one, the ghoul.
In this case they don't have a proper room for weddings. They advertise a "5 star wedding venue" but it's actually a dressed up marquee.
I know some eejits that got married there. Their entire family think trump is great but their sons wedding was guests were baltic after the wedding night in winter. Food was also mediocre.
Breaking: Trump admin kidnaps rare snail in special forces raid - to be taken to New York to stand trial for slime trafficking.
He loves his ballrooms, the fat fuck.
Why would that group want the rare snail, Donald, to prosper?
The man certainly loves a big ballroom.
He's overcompensating for his teeny, tiny hands.
And mushroom dick
The ultimate overcompensation.
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There's only one shlug that can stop trump
Ah yes mr Trump this is all president McGregors fault. You know what to do.
Tariff those snails!!!!
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Doonbeg bout to be annexed 🇺🇸
I never thought I'd find meself rooting for the NIMBY's.
But strange times make for strange bedfellows.
Could it have an impact on coastal erosion? Has the extra traffic been taken into account of? The negative imact on the aesthetic heritage of the building? The requirement of the Ranger Wing to use it as a landing strip in the event notorious War Criminals and Paedophiles need to be arrested?
This is the bullshit that stops stuff getting built and drives the prices of houses up, great Trump is getting stung but this is rot to any kind of progress in the country. Don't forget that
Make a submission here lads, wouldn't go astray https://www.eplanning.ie/ClareCC/AppFileRefDetails/2560838/0
Omg I thought this was Waterford Whispers
Regarding of your opinion on trump it is ridiculous that snails can stop construction projects.
No its ridiculous you think a ballroom at the 10th house of a single rich human is more important than a rare species of animal.
In a thousand years what do you think mattered more biodiversity or some billionaires vanity project in 2026? Its not just a snail species, its part of an local eco system
When you’re 65 what matters more owning a house or a snail.
If trump is having issues like this everyone is.
I can just own a house elsewhere, how selfish are you to think you matter more than the local eco system?
And that house is now more expensive because there is less supply.
There is lots of land that doesnt endanger wildlife so why would it reduce supply
Have you no understanding of the value of biodiversity and the many priceless services and benefits it brings to your life and that of others? If you don't understand it you could at least have a little respect for it. Prioritising construction over the environment has led us down a very dangerous path that we may not be able to walk back from, we're at a level of crisis with our biodiversity loss, climate, and pollution, and you'd rather see Trump's golf course ballroom go ahead than do something about it.
Don’t complain about the housing crisis if you think snails more important than construction.
Prioritising snails and similar over construction is a massive reason why there is a housing crisis.
No, no they're not. Those two things are not even closely alike. How many snails have lodged objections to housing developments?
How many objections have being launched against housing developments because of snails is the question. There’s being housing estates cancelled in Tralee or Killarney before because of bats. I know of people who couldn’t because of biodiversity concerns for stuff similar to snails.
A ballroom have the same biodiversity limitations for planning.
If you're claiming snails or even protecting biodiversity are three leading cause of the housing crisis then you should already know that number, so how many is it?
What value are bats and snails to your life? It's ok to say you don't know.
How many houses are being built in Doonbeg for families in this scenario?
I'm pretty sure it's zero.
It's a ballroom, which will be derelict in a hundred years or more. A temporary structure when you zoom out in the grand scheme of life on this planet. I'd happily trade a function room on an island full of other function rooms for ecology any day.
It’s not this individual scenario that’s the issue it’s the rules. Which apply just as much to housing as ballrooms.
But you've made the claim that housing is hindered by the protection of biodiversity... What housing, where, when or how much?
I'd also argue what good is housing if our environment is uninhabitable, unsustainable, or unproductive but I'd imagine that would go over your head.
You are all over this sub saying a big part of the housing crisis is due to the protection of rare animals. Could you take a minute to post some links to information about this? Like, where, when, what wildlife and exactly how many houses did not get built as a result?
No, fuck that.
We have a responsibility to the flora and fauna on this island, issues regarding the needs of rare native species should absolutely be enough to hold up construction projects.
And that’s totally outside of the fact that anything hold that name should be fired into space.
Don’t blame anyone else when you’re paying half a million for a house then. This specific project is not an issue. But rules like these are ridiculous and a big factor in why we will never see cheaper houses.
No
Important ones yes, ballrooms not so much
You can be certain that if someone as rich and powerful as trump can’t get around these restrictions. Then everything including the important ones are being blocked by nonsense like this.
Why is it nonsense?
So the tactic that snarled up the Galway Ring Road is in use to snarl the Trump Club?
I have very mixed feelings about this…
If the Defence Forces get to use the ballroom to practice…..erm……”capture” exercises I’m not sure I’m all that objectionable to it…
Whatever you think about Trump, this sort of bullshit is a cancer that is rotting our society from the inside out.
Shite like this is why we are stuck with 50s level infrastructure across the country.
They have a "temporary" ballroom which has been up the last few years for weddings etc. We should be encouraging people and companies to invest in Ireland.
We should be encouraging the right people, not this one.
I don't think it's up to us to judge who the "right people" are.
Any person or company should be judged fairly, and not be held ransom by serial objectors.
It definitely is up to us. A fascist, warmongering peadophile is not one of those, and he and his stuff can fuck off.
Yeah, thankfully it isn't.
It absofuckinglutely is up to us. It’s not “any person or company”, it’s a vanity project from a criminal up to his orange tits in an international paedophile ring.
With respect, this isn't one of those cases where a piece of critical housing, environmental or public transport is being held up over nonsense. I also don't like the name ballroom, he's obsessed with it.
It's just the big room where weddings and conferences can take place. Every decent hotel has several. His hotel only has 184 rooms which while I'm sure they're lovely - it isn't like he's building a groundbreaking convention centre on the property. There's very little benefit to the area beyond initial construction and then having a nice room to have the local Toastmaster meeting in.
This is a symptom of the problem. If you were looking from outside at developing something in Ireland, then this is a further example of why not to. Our planning system is total shite. The "temporary" venue has been up for 15+ years.
Yes, and doonbeg doesn't have a large function room for weddings. Currently the weddings take place in a marque outside, which isn't really ideal, especially next to the Atlantic. It doesn't need to be groundbreaking. The hotel provides an enormous amount of tourism for the area, stifling it's growth only impacts the locals.
He will find a loophole
Get Delta Force to kidnap all the snails in the dead of night
Two schools of thought
Liberal Institutionalism: We must protect the snails as they are a protected species. We must uphold the principals and laws as much as possible through an internationally agreed framework.
Realism: Will mowing the snails damage Mr. Trumps lawnmower?
Gimping for yanks isn’t “realism”.
Whoosh