It's well-known that the most dangerous time for a woman in a domestic violence relationship is when she leaves... and the judge granted this man BAIL??!!!!
Barring order now in place, no priors whatsoever, and the only witness (the complainant) stated that the alleged offender was in general a good father but had alcohol issues.
There is literally zero rational reason to have the person taking up space in prison, at great cost, while not working and providing child support nor engaging in supervised visits with their children - any reasonable risk has been remedied by the bail conditions.
edit: do people not understand that the Justice system isn't about people's instinctive reactions to crimes? It's a balancing act between a presumption of innocence and potential risk (whether that's a risk of flight, evidence tampering, risk of further harm etc).
You’d be surprised at how many terrible and clever people manage to manipulate and threaten their victims into not reporting the crime, especially if they have money and associates/ peers to pressurise.
Fuck the justice system. This man should never be allowed to see that child ever again and should be locked up. Soft fools like you only make the world a worse place
The justice system in Ireland is F….d. Especially when it come to violence against women and children. Doesn’t seem to have evolved much from the old days when excuses were always made for men with a “drink problem”. I worked in a pub there as a student and witnessed a man assault his wife and child and the Gardai did nothing. I had hoped that things had improved since then.
The person has been charged and isn't even out on bail yet, and a barring order has been granted and is in place. One of the bail conditions is that the defendant stays out of several areas of Dublin to avoid any even accidental contact with the victim.
You: "nothing has changed since gardai did nothing witnessing domestic violence in a pub"
The person hasn't been prosecuted and found guilty in Court, FreeAd is saying "fuck the justice system" and that he should be locked up anyway.
What do you think he's saying when he's literally writing that we should fuck the justice system and lock people up without trial, if not "fuck the justice system and lock people up without trial"?
Well, now that you ask - if evidence if available that makes it very clear what happened to the average person - like a clear video of before during and after where the perp is identified by one person, I do think they should be locked up rather than on bail.
No good reason in this day and age when content moderators get through and judge thousands of videos images and text a day, yet a judge cant.
Oh my god, you actually think content moderators should be able to judge criminal cases in a few minutes because they do a notoriously bad job moderating social media, a place universally known as a toxic cesspit.
There you go, that’s an accusation. What should we do with you now that you’ve been accused ? Let’s throw you into prison so you can learn your lesson.
He will unfortunately.
I had worse damage physically done to me and he got 6 months suspended.
Walked out of court and into a pub.
Thankfully no kids involved, there's a special place in hell for fkrs that hurt babies/children
You can’t be a good parent while you have an alcohol problem. You’re always going to be some level of risk especially to smaller children. (That’s literally how a lot of children died in the not that distant past - accidents with drunken parents).
Because of our outdated systems. Courts believe it’s the best interests of the children, that abusers have access to their children. The whole thing needs to be picked apart and put back together slowly but unfortunately I don’t see it happening any time soon. My own child has been forced into their abusers hands and there’s nothing I can do about it. Every door shut in my face.
Not going to lie, it keeps me awake at night. Every time child is gone I sit there and wait for a phone call saying somethings happened, and the worst thing is the in-camera rule in courts. It only allows abusers to get away with it and abuse more inside the court room, with the concept being “protecting child’s identity”. Another thing that needs to go.
The Courts didn't magic that belief up out of thin air. The Constitution recognises the Family as the natural primary unit of society. It is very very difficult for the State to break one up.
In response to the cited flight risk concerns, defence solicitor Michael Kelleher stressed that his client was in full-time employment, had lived in Ireland for several years
Every detail of this scumbag should be posted the second it's possible. Even if he does time, people should know who he is to avoid him.
I don't believe our system reforms people I actually believe it makes them worse
She also said he was a good father but had an alcohol problem.
Jesus Christ, the bar for men really is in hell.
I feel nothing but sympathy for a woman who is in such a shitty place that she still feels the need to make excuses for a man who assaulted her and a baby, calling him a "good father".
There are many millions of men with alcohol problems who never abused their children. It doesn't explain his actions, and it certainly doesn't excuse them.
This man cannot be considered, in any sense of the word, a "good father".
I hope she sees sense to remove this man from her family's life before it becomes a tragedy.
On the other hand, maybe if the community knew they could protect they child, since the man is very unlikely to get locked up for the next 16 years of their childhood
Like imagine the kind of case where the child found out about their abuse from someone in the playground, though? The Probation Service should be making sure he's kept away from them.
Maybe the full details shouldn’t be released. But a vague title of the crime and such, like …
“Joe Bloggs (photos attached) harmed young Jimmy Smith under the non-Fatal Offences Act. Joe was sentenced to # years in prison and has been ordered to keep 100m away from young Jimmy until 2062. The Court prohibits Joe Bloggs from breaching this order…etc on consequences and next steps.
Do you get put on a public list somewhere for this stuff ?
The article said he can’t be named publicly for legal reasons but this guy could move to another county and do the exact same thing to poor unsuspecting woman.
Jesus even reading the headline has ruined my day. Can we please not repost mad violent tabloid headlines like this on the sub. Yes I know it happened, but at least give us the option before having to see those words.
Love how this article is written. Big beautiful bold letters, probably bigger than any letters you've seen before. NASTY GUY! The people reading need to understand, thank you for your attention
It's well-known that the most dangerous time for a woman in a domestic violence relationship is when she leaves... and the judge granted this man BAIL??!!!!
Barring order now in place, no priors whatsoever, and the only witness (the complainant) stated that the alleged offender was in general a good father but had alcohol issues.
There is literally zero rational reason to have the person taking up space in prison, at great cost, while not working and providing child support nor engaging in supervised visits with their children - any reasonable risk has been remedied by the bail conditions.
edit: do people not understand that the Justice system isn't about people's instinctive reactions to crimes? It's a balancing act between a presumption of innocence and potential risk (whether that's a risk of flight, evidence tampering, risk of further harm etc).
No /recorded/ priors.
You’d be surprised at how many terrible and clever people manage to manipulate and threaten their victims into not reporting the crime, especially if they have money and associates/ peers to pressurise.
Fuck the justice system. This man should never be allowed to see that child ever again and should be locked up. Soft fools like you only make the world a worse place
The justice system in Ireland is F….d. Especially when it come to violence against women and children. Doesn’t seem to have evolved much from the old days when excuses were always made for men with a “drink problem”. I worked in a pub there as a student and witnessed a man assault his wife and child and the Gardai did nothing. I had hoped that things had improved since then.
The person has been charged and isn't even out on bail yet, and a barring order has been granted and is in place. One of the bail conditions is that the defendant stays out of several areas of Dublin to avoid any even accidental contact with the victim.
You: "nothing has changed since gardai did nothing witnessing domestic violence in a pub"
So you believe we shouldn't have a justice system, we shouldn't have courts, and we should instead have summary justice?
Sorry, but there's only one soft (in the head) fool here and it ain't me.
FreeAd didn’t say that.
They probably like myself want harsher sentences that are actually handed out, rather than the suspended sentence bulls**t.
The person hasn't been prosecuted and found guilty in Court, FreeAd is saying "fuck the justice system" and that he should be locked up anyway.
What do you think he's saying when he's literally writing that we should fuck the justice system and lock people up without trial, if not "fuck the justice system and lock people up without trial"?
Well, now that you ask - if evidence if available that makes it very clear what happened to the average person - like a clear video of before during and after where the perp is identified by one person, I do think they should be locked up rather than on bail.
No good reason in this day and age when content moderators get through and judge thousands of videos images and text a day, yet a judge cant.
Oh my god, you actually think content moderators should be able to judge criminal cases in a few minutes because they do a notoriously bad job moderating social media, a place universally known as a toxic cesspit.
What even are you
You can't argue with these people. They think we should have a justice system based on vibes.
You are a thief and a beggar sir !
There you go, that’s an accusation. What should we do with you now that you’ve been accused ? Let’s throw you into prison so you can learn your lesson.
Wtf. Who does that to a baby? Disgusting.
Too many people.
Exactly.
This is on the mild-moderate scale of abuse from what I've heard from social workers over the years. People are cunts.
The poor mother, baby and the other child that wasn't involved - in this incident - need to be separated from this bastard immediately.
This doesn't even hit moderate. Source: was social worker
Ah but sure he's a lovely fella only for the drink.....
I wish I hadn’t read that.
He's going to get the a suspended sentence isn't he..
Sensitive cultural background, traumatic childhood will get him there easy
Absolutely, culture is the issue not alcohol. And unfortunately it's becoming more common here because of our weak borders.
The poor woman is probably scared stiff of him.
Given the aggravating factors I'd be shocked if he got less than 3 years. He may potentially get 1 suspended if he pleads guilty.
He will unfortunately. I had worse damage physically done to me and he got 6 months suspended. Walked out of court and into a pub. Thankfully no kids involved, there's a special place in hell for fkrs that hurt babies/children
He won't. He will do time for that.
Deport, no excuse for child and spouse abuse..
You can’t be a good parent while you have an alcohol problem. You’re always going to be some level of risk especially to smaller children. (That’s literally how a lot of children died in the not that distant past - accidents with drunken parents).
I don’t think anyone wants to live with an alcoholic, unfortunately in a housing crisis most won’t have a choice.
This is how a housing crisis can be particularly dangerous for people in abusive relationships.
Why in the name of God is somebody who is accused of child abuse allowed access to children?
Because of our outdated systems. Courts believe it’s the best interests of the children, that abusers have access to their children. The whole thing needs to be picked apart and put back together slowly but unfortunately I don’t see it happening any time soon. My own child has been forced into their abusers hands and there’s nothing I can do about it. Every door shut in my face.
That's a horrifying situation to be in, I'm really sorry to hear that
Not going to lie, it keeps me awake at night. Every time child is gone I sit there and wait for a phone call saying somethings happened, and the worst thing is the in-camera rule in courts. It only allows abusers to get away with it and abuse more inside the court room, with the concept being “protecting child’s identity”. Another thing that needs to go.
Sorry for you. Hope you get sorted.
The Courts didn't magic that belief up out of thin air. The Constitution recognises the Family as the natural primary unit of society. It is very very difficult for the State to break one up.
And last year they fucked up a referendum that could have been a stepping stone to fixing some of this. What can you do?
Because of the second order consequences.
An accusation alone isn't enough to take action, I could accuse you of anything, doesn't mean it's true.
However if it were enough. It would be weaponised and misused by bad faith individuals.
So you'd make the problem bigger by acting before the accused was actually found guilty of the act.
Yep I understand that, my comment was definitely more emotional than logical
At least they didn't call him a good dad in this headline.
That last one was terrible.
But the victim did, which yikes. "She also said he was a good father but had an alcohol problem."
That's pretty standard for victims of abuse
Prison and then deport him
Every detail of this scumbag should be posted the second it's possible. Even if he does time, people should know who he is to avoid him. I don't believe our system reforms people I actually believe it makes them worse
Love your username on this article ffs 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What? It's a reference to my baby in the wifes blender(womb)
Never heard a womb called a blender
Sweet
Jesus Christ, the bar for men really is in hell.
I feel nothing but sympathy for a woman who is in such a shitty place that she still feels the need to make excuses for a man who assaulted her and a baby, calling him a "good father".
There are many millions of men with alcohol problems who never abused their children. It doesn't explain his actions, and it certainly doesn't excuse them.
This man cannot be considered, in any sense of the word, a "good father".
I hope she sees sense to remove this man from her family's life before it becomes a tragedy.
Bad day to be able to read…
Death penalty
I can see a hefty suspended sentence for this one
This guy will get anonymity because one of the people he attacked was a child. Sickening
Yeh but those children deserve to not have everyone know the worse traumas of their life
Yeah it’s very much a case of how you choose to look at it and reflects people’s own mentality.
On the other hand, maybe if the community knew they could protect they child, since the man is very unlikely to get locked up for the next 16 years of their childhood
Like imagine the kind of case where the child found out about their abuse from someone in the playground, though? The Probation Service should be making sure he's kept away from them.
Maybe the full details shouldn’t be released. But a vague title of the crime and such, like …
“Joe Bloggs (photos attached) harmed young Jimmy Smith under the non-Fatal Offences Act. Joe was sentenced to # years in prison and has been ordered to keep 100m away from young Jimmy until 2062. The Court prohibits Joe Bloggs from breaching this order…etc on consequences and next steps.
What an absolute dirt bag....and 1000 euro bail?!?! My god
Do you get put on a public list somewhere for this stuff ?
The article said he can’t be named publicly for legal reasons but this guy could move to another county and do the exact same thing to poor unsuspecting woman.
Horrific Title. Watch as this guy gets a suspended sentence too.
Jesus even reading the headline has ruined my day. Can we please not repost mad violent tabloid headlines like this on the sub. Yes I know it happened, but at least give us the option before having to see those words.
suspended sentence incoming
Love how this article is written. Big beautiful bold letters, probably bigger than any letters you've seen before. NASTY GUY! The people reading need to understand, thank you for your attention