An expert working group will have to be convened to develop a framework which will invite submissions from consultants to oversee the design of a project plan to deliver the removal of this flag by 2035 at a cost of 6 million euro (actual cost may vary).
The Irish solution for this will be to drop a large sign onto the spire that says "the action below does not represent the view of the Irish government".
NO methodology to maintain the Spire either, to replace or repair the lights in the biggie and running along the top. It's called I think the Spire of Light after all, so why would we need to keep the lights on.
It could be left there but realistically are they saying that no where is there a steeple climbing company that would send a crew over to have a look and see how to get it down.
Many people would consider it disrespectful to burn the flag seeing as how when people want to disrespect a flag and what it stands for burning it is often the go to move (just look at the bonfires up north). Destroying the flag would lead to backlash and that's something the council obviously wants to avoid
In all fairness it makes a lot of sense. Just the wording is absurd.
Majority of the population is pro Palestine so taking this down would be seen as council going against the public. Nevertheless, it would be just more negative publicity inviting new attempts to put the flag back in the same or similar way, wasted effort. This way, council can just buy some time, let pubic to slowly change opinion. Not about Palestine-Israel, but about aesthetics of hanging stuff on the Spire as it will look just worse and worse over time with the wind and rain.
So in a way, I understand this is the most logical thing to do, just silly wording.
It's actually pretty easy to not be involved with it. Other than reddit and the news, pretty much everyone says "Jaysus that's awful" and gets on with their life. Plenty of people in Ireland are sympathetic but it doesn't affect them at all and they don't do anything about it. No protest, no boycott, just don't get bothered by it.
I’m very much on the Palestinian side of things but in fairness that situation is going to continue on as it is whether people in Ireland are getting on with their lives or not.
You can hardly blame people in Ireland getting on with their lives for a genocide halfway round the globe, can you?
I wouldn't really call these people a bubble. The people that go and protest and feel very passionate are the bubble in this instance. It's adjacent to most peoples lives here. And I'm not saying that to denigrate at all, I'm just saying, the majority of people just don't really involve themselves.
I wouldn't call it semantics. A 'bubble' implies isolation from the majority, whereas a 'group' or 'tribe' doesn't necessarily. That distinction matters in this context. My main point was that a small minority were very active.
And yes, it’s adjacent to our lives. Look at how immigration is affecting the conversation right now. Look at how the boycott is affecting businesses.
Apologies, how is immigration affecting the conversation? Genuinely not sure what you mean.
Look at how the boycott is affecting businesses.
The boycott is very negligible here. Actual trade between Ireland and Israel, outside the narrow scope of settlement goods which is tiny, remains significant and growing, with imports valued in the billions. That's why critics say boycotts have so far had no tangible economic leverage. Trade from the settlements were worth less than €1 million over a four-year period (2020-2024). We're actually still we're still Israels' second largest trading partner after the USA shockingly.
People were constantly talking on reddit a while back about how effective the boycott in Ireland is going and I did a huge investigative deep dive into it over hours and spread across days and we have realistically done fuck all.
Edit; why do people just comment and then block? I cannot see what you said Dumpty.
An expert working group will have to be convened to develop a framework which will invite submissions from consultants to oversee the design of a project plan to deliver the removal of this flag by 2035 at a cost of 6 million euro (actual cost may vary).
It's 2045, flag is still up there, they are in the final design consulting stage and are 30 million over budget.
But then there is suddenly an objection to the proposed solution because it may very briefly impact Dublin's unique skyline whilst its delivered.
Start again.
Ah sure, it'll be grand!
Only 30 million over??
We literally couldn't do it any other way.
I know a very reliable construction company with expertise in this..
“Reviewing the situation” Im convinced Father Ted was a reality TV show .
it’s a fuckin documentary
What about another mass?
An Irish solution to an Irish problem :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Irish_solution_to_an_Irish_problem
Is this article new? If so there's a million examples people can add to it.
the answer is add another tax
The Irish solution for this will be to drop a large sign onto the spire that says "the action below does not represent the view of the Irish government".
Did they use a drone to drop it on?
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was...
https://preview.redd.it/135wn01k16bg1.png?width=534&format=png&auto=webp&s=38e56e04e8dfa8dbf187226c202a6b1f4c08eb6c
100%
No someone gave baldy 4 cans of Dutch gold to climb up and put it there
Yeah you'd have to
You could definitely use a drone to solve it. Small circular saw attached and done in less than 60 seconds.
Finally, an 'our hands are tied', I can get behind.
NO methodology to maintain the Spire either, to replace or repair the lights in the biggie and running along the top. It's called I think the Spire of Light after all, so why would we need to keep the lights on.
Actually there is. There is a maintenance company that goes up the inside and carries out work on it.
Really? This I did not know thanks.
I guess they've just decided not to bother replacing or repairing the light bulbs up the top, or around the middle.
It's a shame. I thought those were the most interesting part of the Spire.
NATO is monitoring the situation closely.
It could be left there but realistically are they saying that no where is there a steeple climbing company that would send a crew over to have a look and see how to get it down.
Hope they don't bring in the army…
https://www.rte.ie/archives/2022/1122/375076-demolition-of-nelsons-pillar/
Drone, big ladder, BIG Flamethrower
a drone with a flamethrower exists
While I love the idea of a big flamethrower, I'd want to use it, imagine the headlines.
i mean worst case scenario it damages the spire and forces it to be removed........yeah seeing no down sides here light the flamethrower!
Many people would consider it disrespectful to burn the flag seeing as how when people want to disrespect a flag and what it stands for burning it is often the go to move (just look at the bonfires up north). Destroying the flag would lead to backlash and that's something the council obviously wants to avoid
Drone with a scissors
Drone with a flamethrower ✅ 😃
May I propose a compromise of a drone with a chainsaw?
Don't let the IRA know about this or we might have a Nelson Pillar 2.0 😂
Surprised Alan Shatter and John McGuirk haven't tried climbing up the Spire with their bare hands to tear it down.
In all fairness it makes a lot of sense. Just the wording is absurd.
Majority of the population is pro Palestine so taking this down would be seen as council going against the public. Nevertheless, it would be just more negative publicity inviting new attempts to put the flag back in the same or similar way, wasted effort. This way, council can just buy some time, let pubic to slowly change opinion. Not about Palestine-Israel, but about aesthetics of hanging stuff on the Spire as it will look just worse and worse over time with the wind and rain.
So in a way, I understand this is the most logical thing to do, just silly wording.
It’s a good excuse to leave it up there
I'm very much staying out the whole palestine thing, but I think leave it up. At the minimum, it shows a creative protest.
Staying out of what? An occupying force backed by the strongest military, committing genocide. What’s to stay out of?
Yes that
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It's actually pretty easy to not be involved with it. Other than reddit and the news, pretty much everyone says "Jaysus that's awful" and gets on with their life. Plenty of people in Ireland are sympathetic but it doesn't affect them at all and they don't do anything about it. No protest, no boycott, just don't get bothered by it.
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I’m very much on the Palestinian side of things but in fairness that situation is going to continue on as it is whether people in Ireland are getting on with their lives or not.
You can hardly blame people in Ireland getting on with their lives for a genocide halfway round the globe, can you?
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I don’t imagine them declaring a side is going to make much difference either.
Sure it’d be good of them but you can hardly blame people who are disinterested in international politics for the state of things.
I wouldn't really call these people a bubble. The people that go and protest and feel very passionate are the bubble in this instance. It's adjacent to most peoples lives here. And I'm not saying that to denigrate at all, I'm just saying, the majority of people just don't really involve themselves.
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I wouldn't call it semantics. A 'bubble' implies isolation from the majority, whereas a 'group' or 'tribe' doesn't necessarily. That distinction matters in this context. My main point was that a small minority were very active.
Apologies, how is immigration affecting the conversation? Genuinely not sure what you mean.
The boycott is very negligible here. Actual trade between Ireland and Israel, outside the narrow scope of settlement goods which is tiny, remains significant and growing, with imports valued in the billions. That's why critics say boycotts have so far had no tangible economic leverage. Trade from the settlements were worth less than €1 million over a four-year period (2020-2024). We're actually still we're still Israels' second largest trading partner after the USA shockingly.
People were constantly talking on reddit a while back about how effective the boycott in Ireland is going and I did a huge investigative deep dive into it over hours and spread across days and we have realistically done fuck all.
Edit; why do people just comment and then block? I cannot see what you said Dumpty.
Would be a shame if someone put a hula hoop up there next
They're hard enough to get on your fingers never mind the spire
If we could reach out to those who placed it in the first place, perhaps they had an idea in mind to replace it, now that it seems damaged.
Good.
God, it would be so sad if the national junkie needle had to be dismantled over this 😫
Put razer sharp blades on some drones and kamikaze them into the ropes?