Well yes and no, because Crocodillians don't just lay unfertalized eggs like chickens do, so the fact a female croc got pregnant and delivered a fertilized egg means she did give birth, but also technically not because the egg never hatched.
My guess is Crocs are in the early stages of evolving genuine asexual reproduction. They've been around plenty long enough for it to happen
This isn't a good thing as it cuts down on the genetic diversity and it is that diversity that allows things to evolve so they can survive in a changing environment.
Yes, but that would be an ancestor of crocodiles, not crocodiles themselves specifically. So it would be classified as them evolving for the first time.
Technically, re-evolving is not a thing. If a species evolves trait A, evolves to not have trait A, and then evolves trait A, that is just linear evolution.
Btw, an offspring produced by parthenogenesis is always female in most lizards and fish. But there is one exception, komodo dragon can produce a viable male offspring through parthenogenesis.
That’s super interesting, thanks for sharing! How does only a female with XX chromosomes, produce a male offspring with XY chromosomes? Unless the chromosomes are different for Komodo dragons?
This might be different in crocodilians, because their biological gender is not determined by chromosomes like in many other animals, but based on the temperature that the embryo develops in.
This might be similar for comodo dragons, as crocodilians aren't the only reptiles with this system.
In komodo dragon, it is indeed determined by chromosomes only. But the difference is that females have zw chromosomes and males have zz chromosomes. So males are homogametic and females are heterogametic.
So, I did a quick google search and apparantly bearded dragons have both systems (chromosomes and temperature based), while the google AI claimed the same thing for komodo dragons, I didn't find any actual sources regarding the temperature part for them. But at least I now know why the offspring from parthenogenesis can also be male in komodo dragons. The female doesn't just copy its genome it can also give the offspring the Z chromosome two times instead, which makes a male.
Yeah, immediately after posting that I realized I had forgotten about fish, sponges, and other invertebrates like starfish. But yeah, it is way more common than previously thought because we are now in the era where genetic testing every organism for classification purposes, and for understanding their genetics/population health.
I was gonna say.... I'm usually wishing I wouldn't get my period bc I'm over this shit, but now, idk, maybe I'll be thrilled about it bc I didn't spontaneously get pregnant 🤣
Just because they lay eggs instead of live birth does not remove the fact that this crocodile got pregnant and gave birth without the aid of a male. She laid her egg, it did not hatch meaning there were issues with the baby crocodile that caused it to die before it came out of the egg. She still reproduced as a singular creature, I find that amazing! Even if other reptiles do it. And even if the baby was dead at birth. If a woman became pregnant and gave birth to a stillborn, without a male's sperm, that would obviously be a miracle. Sad, but still a miracle. So why are people down playing it because the egg didn't hatch?
But human women make eggs every month. (Well they release them technically). Eggs can be made by females without any males, they are just unfertalized.
True, but they normally do not just lay eggs. They normally lay eggs once a year, if they are pregnant. Virgin births are actually common in females that have no male counterparts. But they don't just lay an egg every month like human females. She gave birth (the definition of birth for her species.
Fun fact: House actually used this (parthenogenesis) as a "reason" why his patient got pregnant.
Turns out, he just didn't want to break up his patient's relationship and did not expose the true origin of the pregnancy (to the husband / boyfriend).
So when this occurs, wouldn't the offspring be clones of the mother? Or maybe, what happens in parthenogenesis to compensate for the missing male genetic contribution to the offspring? I know there a species of lizard where there are no males, is this process limited to reptiles?
Is it possible, that some genetic mutation could cause such a birth in a human? Like a child born with functional interior gonads and womb or something weird like that? Could Jesus have been the product of facultative parthenogenesis? The savior of mankind born only of woman.
....this is probably a question one should only share with AI.
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Who had crocodile Jesus?
Rick and Morty probably
!!!!
Dee-nice, Is there a dee-nice? “If wanna y’all says some silly ass name… this whole class is gonna feel my wrath”
“Do you mean Denise?”
SON OF A BITCH!!!!!
Bahahah I love that skit.
I am never going to see a merman, ever.
Seems like Joe Rogan was wrong. It's not an AI Jesus we get first, it's crocodile Jesus
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Hijacking the top comment to say that parthenogenesis is pretty common in reptiles, sharks, and a number of other organisms.
He's not the chosen one, he's a very naughty boy.
My only regret is that I have but one upvote to give.
Still born, as in born against the odds? Or stillborn as in dead from before, well, in this case them coming out of the shell?
Never hatched, per BBC article
so like a chicken egg?
Yeah i was gonna say, if it never actually hatched is it still a successful birth?
Well yes and no, because Crocodillians don't just lay unfertalized eggs like chickens do, so the fact a female croc got pregnant and delivered a fertilized egg means she did give birth, but also technically not because the egg never hatched.
My guess is Crocs are in the early stages of evolving genuine asexual reproduction. They've been around plenty long enough for it to happen
This isn't a good thing as it cuts down on the genetic diversity and it is that diversity that allows things to evolve so they can survive in a changing environment.
If I remember correctly there's a existent species of lizard that are reproducing solely through parthenogenesis with no males ever found...
Whiptail lizards! (at least, I'm pretty sure they're all female.)
Yes there is. I don't know where I learned about it. It was either Clint's Reptiles, Scishow or possibly Lindsey Nicole.
It can be a good thing that can let individuals reproduce in tough times when numbers are low and mates can be found
Technically it would be re-evolving since at one point everything reproduced asexually and sexual reproduction was the newly evolved trait
Yes, but that would be an ancestor of crocodiles, not crocodiles themselves specifically. So it would be classified as them evolving for the first time.
Technically, re-evolving is not a thing. If a species evolves trait A, evolves to not have trait A, and then evolves trait A, that is just linear evolution.
Not quite, bc chickens lay eggs daily regardless of whether it’s fertilized. If it’s not fertilized, it doesn’t grow.
Crocs don’t lay eggs unless they are fertilized. And one of the eggs developed, it just didn’t hatch (died before hatching).
Are they tasty? Are virgin eggs more tasty?
Never hatched, per BBC article
But did they check three days later?
Asking the important question here....bastard will have a hell of a time hunting laying on top of the water
Well, both 😆
Well kind of an important distinction and one could argue your title is misleading
Nah, your typo makes the title claim something that would be far more interesting than the reality.
16 years of solitude and she still had more action than me
Just do yourself, like that crocodile did
Btw, an offspring produced by parthenogenesis is always female in most lizards and fish. But there is one exception, komodo dragon can produce a viable male offspring through parthenogenesis.
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That’s super interesting, thanks for sharing! How does only a female with XX chromosomes, produce a male offspring with XY chromosomes? Unless the chromosomes are different for Komodo dragons?
In komodo dragon, females have zw chromosomes and males have zz chromosomes. So males are homogametic and females are heterogametic.
I've heard of x and y chromosomes. You've just taught me that there are z and w chromosomes.
Now I'm wondering if there are chromosomes a-v?!
This might be different in crocodilians, because their biological gender is not determined by chromosomes like in many other animals, but based on the temperature that the embryo develops in.
This might be similar for comodo dragons, as crocodilians aren't the only reptiles with this system.
In komodo dragon, it is indeed determined by chromosomes only. But the difference is that females have zw chromosomes and males have zz chromosomes. So males are homogametic and females are heterogametic.
So, I did a quick google search and apparantly bearded dragons have both systems (chromosomes and temperature based), while the google AI claimed the same thing for komodo dragons, I didn't find any actual sources regarding the temperature part for them. But at least I now know why the offspring from parthenogenesis can also be male in komodo dragons. The female doesn't just copy its genome it can also give the offspring the Z chromosome two times instead, which makes a male.
So THAT’S why Jesus said, “See you later alligator.”
LMFAOOO
Geckos in New Caledonia are known to do this as well.
Really??
Yes, new Caledonian giant gecko, lechianus
No way! Thank you, I’m gonna go look into that
There are actually quite a few species of reptiles, amphibians, and insects that can reproduce this way.
Some shark species can as well.
Yeah, immediately after posting that I realized I had forgotten about fish, sponges, and other invertebrates like starfish. But yeah, it is way more common than previously thought because we are now in the era where genetic testing every organism for classification purposes, and for understanding their genetics/population health.
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Fuck. I hope this doesn't happen to me
I was gonna say.... I'm usually wishing I wouldn't get my period bc I'm over this shit, but now, idk, maybe I'll be thrilled about it bc I didn't spontaneously get pregnant 🤣
life finds a way
was this on a Costa Rican Isla?
Which one of you freaks impregnated the croc?
“Life, uh, finds a way.”
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Life finds a way.
Fucked by a frog? 🐸
Life..uuuughh...finds a way.
External fertilisation found a way 💦
Birth is a bit inaccurate as the egg never hatched
But basically this croc said copy/paste on her own DNA and then spit an egg out
Self Reliance ✅ No custody battle ✅
Bingo
so like a chicken egg?
Kermit Jagger?
Well f*ck you for sharing that.
“Jesus of Nazareth was a crocodile!!!” (In the rhythm of “Jeremiah was a bullfrog”)
Jesus is coming back, as a crocodile?!!
Be not afraid. I bring good news to you!
,...I bring good news to chew! Chomp🐊
Instead of water to wine its water to schnapps.
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I think i played that game
croc jesus
I would love crocodile jesus
Christians gunna rush to attempt to use this to justify the fake story of the virgin Mary giving birth lmao
Just because they lay eggs instead of live birth does not remove the fact that this crocodile got pregnant and gave birth without the aid of a male. She laid her egg, it did not hatch meaning there were issues with the baby crocodile that caused it to die before it came out of the egg. She still reproduced as a singular creature, I find that amazing! Even if other reptiles do it. And even if the baby was dead at birth. If a woman became pregnant and gave birth to a stillborn, without a male's sperm, that would obviously be a miracle. Sad, but still a miracle. So why are people down playing it because the egg didn't hatch?
But human women make eggs every month. (Well they release them technically). Eggs can be made by females without any males, they are just unfertalized.
True, but they normally do not just lay eggs. They normally lay eggs once a year, if they are pregnant. Virgin births are actually common in females that have no male counterparts. But they don't just lay an egg every month like human females. She gave birth (the definition of birth for her species.
Reptiles have very interesting reproductive systems.
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My mom would die laughing at this 🤣
Fun fact: House actually used this (parthenogenesis) as a "reason" why his patient got pregnant.
Turns out, he just didn't want to break up his patient's relationship and did not expose the true origin of the pregnancy (to the husband / boyfriend).
The Second Coming is upon us!
Christ in a croc!
Behold the crocodile christ
Baby Jesus returns as a crocodile
I am safe
OK, who fuck the crocodile?
Living the dream!
Pretty sure I read, 20ish years ago, there was a snake in India that auto-fertilized.
Jesus Christ!
First? I don't think so. 🤣
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Crocodile Jesus ?
First ever? They're gonna crucify you.
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Them wrathful Christians.
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That's the spirit.
Wait, they were still born?
So when this occurs, wouldn't the offspring be clones of the mother? Or maybe, what happens in parthenogenesis to compensate for the missing male genetic contribution to the offspring? I know there a species of lizard where there are no males, is this process limited to reptiles?
I recall renowned naturalist Jeff Goldblum mentioning this phenomenon in the acclaimed documentary’Jurassic Park’….
Kroko Jesus
Still born is a confusing phrase to use in this case.
Baby crocajesus
Isn’t that a shoe?
If it isn't, it should be. As long as it allows me to walk on water and do croc rolls to my enemies!
Life, uh, finds a way.
Do Mormons lay eggs now
I wonder if there will be a world crocodile religion around this baby crocodile now.
He has returned!
So we worship her offspring now?
So, is this Crocodile Jesus, or Crocodile Skywalker?
It would have to be female since females do not carry a copy of the "y" chromosome
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He's the savior
no, someone paid a visit
Were the babies still born, or they were stillborn?
Edit: please say still born, i wanna believe in crocodile jesus
birth to what? unfertilized eggs?
What do christians have to say about how baby Jesus was born now I wonder?
To still be born despite the odds is absolutely insane!
Like jesus?
Croc Christ!😝
Turkeys can also reproduce by themselves. (Via. Parthenogensis...)
They were still born? Or they were stillborn?
Okay
Paging Dr. Ian Malcom
How do we know for sure it was alone?
So Jesus’ mom is a crocodile?
Get her a boyfriend
Crocodile jesus sheeeshhh
I thought parthenogenesis among crocodile's was well understood and relatively common
Life finds a way
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Mother Mary said your time has come.
Impossible.
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Yeah, but she ate all the nativity animals. It was lonely in that stable.
Version 2 Jesus is ornery and has a teething problem lol
No wonder the space pope is reptilian.
They said he was coming back, I think the transmission got f’d up
That croc: "I WILL have a children at any cost!!"
When no one left to blame , blame it on the god.
Crocodiles lay eggs. They are oviparus. What a bullshit post
Parthenogenesis is possible in quite a few egg-laying reptile species. And while very rare in crocodilians, has been documented a few times.
Monitor Lizards and Komodo Dragons are also oviparous and are known to sometimes have parthenogenesis births.
Laying eggs is not giving birth. Its laying eggs. Im not denying parthenogenosis.
Jesus wants a word.
What if that’s Virgin Mary reincarnated ????
About as believable as anything else in religion!
Yea I feel you on that 💯
Is it possible, that some genetic mutation could cause such a birth in a human? Like a child born with functional interior gonads and womb or something weird like that? Could Jesus have been the product of facultative parthenogenesis? The savior of mankind born only of woman.
....this is probably a question one should only share with AI.
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🤣 OK, that's a brilliant reply!! Well done!