The Intel Core Ultra 5 338H has a B370 GPU with 10 Xe3 cores, and 12 CPU cores (4+4+4). How do you think this compares with higher end options like the Core Ultra X7 358H?
I'm surprised it's not marked as an X5, to be honest. It has the big GPU, or rather 83% of it, and still more CPU cores than the rest of the lineup.
I think this is going to be a banger chip for handhelds, and for most laptop users, but personally I'm looking at those 16-core X7s. 358H looks like what I'll probably end up with in my next laptop.
Personally I am very interested in the XPS14. I had the touch bar 13" but ended up returning it because that system was really janky on their Linux version. Having physical keys there should make that problem go away.
Yep. They also offer an IPS model, but the OLED is available for pre-order with a 358H right now. I'm waiting for reviews but overall that's a solid machine. The lack of anything but thunderbolt is going to be a deal breaker for some though.
I'm sure there will be some, but TB5 being a standalone feature is going to hurt its adoption.
I sadly don't expect many to have that with the 12Xe version though. TB5 will have to consume some PCie lanes and there's only 12 on the 4+0+4 and 12Xe chips.
XPS14 looks like a very nice laptop, design, specs, display, build quality, keyboard, trackpad... but the price is pretty brutal.
Wish they made a 15, the 16 is a bit big to carry around and the 14 is a bit small for serious use, but I'm being picky. 16 only has a 70Wh battery too - no bigger than the 14 since they're using a fancy new battery chemistry that might only have one size. I also wish it was like 500 bucks cheaper, they cost more than a upper-midrange Macbook Pro.
The Prestige Flip 14 is so perfect and MSI had to mess it up by putting a 1080 60hz panel on it. I have no idea what MSI has against nice panels, everyone else seems to find 1800p 120hz VRR OLEDs to be a dime a dozen.
Slight improvement but still, nearly ever other 14 inch has at least a 120hz OLED option and a higher resolution one at that. Feels annoying they locked that to the 16 inch model, 16 inch model isn't available yet either.
Yeah I thought based on another article the 1800 oled was only for the non-flip, but Alex makes it seem more like it will be a bestbuy exclusive or something. MSI doesn't list all model configs which doesn't help
looking at Panther Lake Ark, XH and non-H uses TSMC N3E for IGP while the H variant uses intel 3. Remains to be seen how it performs though as some ARL-U that is MTL-U refresh fabbed on intel 3 didn't really impress
edit: there seems to be 4Xe fabbed at intel 3. idk what's happening anymore with their strategy but at least Wildcat Lake is supposed to be full 18A
The 4Xe tile is the only Intel3 die. All PCH tiles are N6. All CPU tiles are 18A. Only the 12Xe tile is N3E.
MTL-U refresh was notably more efficient than the original but didn't impress much on performance because its gains went almost exclusively into lowering power instead.
As for what the strategy is, wafers are booked long in advance and something has to go on them. With Intel3 still largely consumed by Xeons it makes sense to dual-source for the graphics tiles and to keep the smallest tiles on the more constrained node. I can't say for sure what happened there, but that combo of factors makes sense. 12Xe could also be made on 18A if push came to shove.
See, I reckon the 8E side is a lot more important for what you'd actually want the big GPU for. If I was looking for "just a laptop" I'm far more interested in Wildcat.
I think a lot of people want access to the nice GPU really so they have a thin and light that can handle some graphics. The 'just a laptop' crowd have had their needs met for a long time now, even pretty cheap processors have been plenty strong for web browsing for years.
Personally am looking around for a X7 because I want the 12 Xe cores and don't need the fastest possible CPU (not much difference anyways).
Well that's why I'm eyeballing the X7 over the X5 as well; the drop in E core count seems fairly likely to drag performance by about as much as the drop in GPU, since everything since the PS4 generation has been looking for 8 cores. I suppose if it saved enough money it'd be worthwhile, but I just can't see any of the manufacturers chopping $500 out of a $1200 laptop that still needs all the same not-the-chip bits.
I'm surprised it's not marked as an X5, to be honest. It has the big GPU, or rather 83% of it, and still more CPU cores than the rest of the lineup.
I think this is going to be a banger chip for handhelds, and for most laptop users, but personally I'm looking at those 16-core X7s. 358H looks like what I'll probably end up with in my next laptop.
Yeah the ones with the B390 GPU are what I'm getting. The MSI Prestige Flip looks cool.
Personally I am very interested in the XPS14. I had the touch bar 13" but ended up returning it because that system was really janky on their Linux version. Having physical keys there should make that problem go away.
Do those xps model have the tandem OLED displays like the snapdragon ones?
Yep. They also offer an IPS model, but the OLED is available for pre-order with a 358H right now. I'm waiting for reviews but overall that's a solid machine. The lack of anything but thunderbolt is going to be a deal breaker for some though.
I just wish there was a panther lake laptop with thunderbolt 5. I could game on the integrated graphics or use a TB5 eGPU.
I'm sure there will be some, but TB5 being a standalone feature is going to hurt its adoption.
I sadly don't expect many to have that with the 12Xe version though. TB5 will have to consume some PCie lanes and there's only 12 on the 4+0+4 and 12Xe chips.
XPS14 looks like a very nice laptop, design, specs, display, build quality, keyboard, trackpad... but the price is pretty brutal.
Wish they made a 15, the 16 is a bit big to carry around and the 14 is a bit small for serious use, but I'm being picky. 16 only has a 70Wh battery too - no bigger than the 14 since they're using a fancy new battery chemistry that might only have one size. I also wish it was like 500 bucks cheaper, they cost more than a upper-midrange Macbook Pro.
The Prestige Flip 14 is so perfect and MSI had to mess it up by putting a 1080 60hz panel on it. I have no idea what MSI has against nice panels, everyone else seems to find 1800p 120hz VRR OLEDs to be a dime a dozen.
I think the new versions have an OLED.
Edit: I double checked and they have a 60hz OLED display.
Slight improvement but still, nearly ever other 14 inch has at least a 120hz OLED option and a higher resolution one at that. Feels annoying they locked that to the 16 inch model, 16 inch model isn't available yet either.
the situation with the Prestige Flip 14's screen was weird on CES, its display unit says that its got a 1800p screen, but its brochure says it only got a 1080p screen
Yeah I thought based on another article the 1800 oled was only for the non-flip, but Alex makes it seem more like it will be a bestbuy exclusive or something. MSI doesn't list all model configs which doesn't help
looking at Panther Lake Ark, XH and non-H uses TSMC N3E for IGP while the H variant uses intel 3. Remains to be seen how it performs though as some ARL-U that is MTL-U refresh fabbed on intel 3 didn't really impress
edit: there seems to be 4Xe fabbed at intel 3. idk what's happening anymore with their strategy but at least Wildcat Lake is supposed to be full 18A
The 4Xe tile is the only Intel3 die. All PCH tiles are N6. All CPU tiles are 18A. Only the 12Xe tile is N3E.
MTL-U refresh was notably more efficient than the original but didn't impress much on performance because its gains went almost exclusively into lowering power instead.
As for what the strategy is, wafers are booked long in advance and something has to go on them. With Intel3 still largely consumed by Xeons it makes sense to dual-source for the graphics tiles and to keep the smallest tiles on the more constrained node. I can't say for sure what happened there, but that combo of factors makes sense. 12Xe could also be made on 18A if push came to shove.
X7 358H is more or less the go I reckon. As usual, 9-series is swinging wallet rather than really being that great of an improvement.
If laptops with this Core Ultra 5 come in at under 1000 USD, I think it could be a great value. Over 1000 USD and the X7 is probably the way to go.
See, I reckon the 8E side is a lot more important for what you'd actually want the big GPU for. If I was looking for "just a laptop" I'm far more interested in Wildcat.
I think a lot of people want access to the nice GPU really so they have a thin and light that can handle some graphics. The 'just a laptop' crowd have had their needs met for a long time now, even pretty cheap processors have been plenty strong for web browsing for years.
Personally am looking around for a X7 because I want the 12 Xe cores and don't need the fastest possible CPU (not much difference anyways).
Well that's why I'm eyeballing the X7 over the X5 as well; the drop in E core count seems fairly likely to drag performance by about as much as the drop in GPU, since everything since the PS4 generation has been looking for 8 cores. I suppose if it saved enough money it'd be worthwhile, but I just can't see any of the manufacturers chopping $500 out of a $1200 laptop that still needs all the same not-the-chip bits.
I agree. I see this CPU as a middle ground of sorts, providing most of what the Core X7 offers while coming in at a cheaper price.
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This is what we want https://www.intel.de/content/www/de/de/products/sku/245527/intel-core-ultra-x7-processor-358h-18m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz/specifications.html