Yeah, RDNA 3.5 lasted way too long. Admittedly, RDNA4 was a special case where they gave up on a mobile version in favour of getting UDNA ready but that's their own fault. Hopefully, this pushes them to make UDNA a mobile focused architecture as well and perhaps push more cores in igpus to take back the integrated graphics crown. Competition is very good for the consumer.
Unlike Nvidia they actually can make a lot of money relative to what they do right now if they get consumer marketshare. Iirc, Nvidias gaming revenue still beats AMDs enterprise earnings.
Eh, they will still have the best igpus on the market for a while. If they price the 388 well there is hope for them. But it's never going to sell the volumes Intel will.
UDNA is a major architecture overhaul on par with the the introduction of Ryzen and RDNA. A year is a long time but AMD only really needs a single gen to recover this gap if they so wish. But UDNA will need to be made with versatility and low power application in mind.
Intel is comparing a 4050 with low wattage (60W system TDP IIRC) so it's not as good as the full powered 4050 which scores around 8000 on Time Spy. On low powered 4050s though like the one in the XPS and other thin and lights it will compare pretty evenly. It also outscores basically any 3050 on the market since the highest powered ones get around 4500-5000 on Time Spy (which was already matched pretty decently by the old 8XE core GPUs)
this is nice but the handheld market could use less ultra 9 and 7s and more ultra 3s. the closer they can get to the nintendo 2DS XL in size while being under $400 the better.
I am definitely looking to get a gaming handheld PC with PTL in it. Gonna cost a fortune probably but it's my first and intend to stick with it for a long time
The only thing that would stop me is if they skimp on ram... Which might be a very real problem
They did against the 285h and it's a similar margin. Lunar lake has a power burst max wattage below panther lakes max sustain power here so they can't compare 1:1 properly
happy about more handheld focus, genuinely have put in more hours on my steam deck than my pc setup this year. i have my eyes on ARM going forward as well
I’ll always want a really good handheld besides my PC. Currently own a Legion Go S and the Switch 2 so this is good for everyone. AMD stays on their toes and if intel is good and gives us a SteamOS native device, I’ll definitely try them next upgrade. The
I'm looking forward to this, especially for a gaming handheld/mini pc device, having a gpu that is nearly capable of a RTX 4050 with that power profile could be game changing.
Plus all the existing Intel XESS features are icing on the cake, although support for that scaler is flakey. I'm just hopeful that more games will support XESS.
Can anyone say real life performance diff, and how much increase in battery life in real laptops, Because I feel many times those ppt numbers don't nearly match real usage (especially when ppt numbers are huge).
Can I get Mac like battery(or atleast 7hrs with no performance drop) and how much does it compare to Mac m1/a18 air performance with them on a $600 laptop.(Assuming fedora/mint as OS)
I don't understand, we need to see the price of this thing, because otherwise we have to compare it to the AMD 8060s which will be more powerful, but even the cheapest machine with that costs €1500/€2000.
We just need to see what price point this chip will be offered at.
Hopefully they deliver. Amd needs a shake up in the APU market, mostly the GPU side of it.
Yeah, RDNA 3.5 lasted way too long. Admittedly, RDNA4 was a special case where they gave up on a mobile version in favour of getting UDNA ready but that's their own fault. Hopefully, this pushes them to make UDNA a mobile focused architecture as well and perhaps push more cores in igpus to take back the integrated graphics crown. Competition is very good for the consumer.
rdna? dude their vega lasted too long they got very complacent in their igpu department
their Zen 5 desktop iGPU still use RDNA2; a 5 yr old architecture let that sink in...
AMD didn't have money when they were using Vega iGPUs, and they were still the best iGPUs around
Those weren't good though. They didn't get close to the 1050ish equivalent that's a decent min spec card until the steam deck.
At this point, we'll be lucky if they even care about consumer cards at all. It's AI all the way these days.
Unlike Nvidia they actually can make a lot of money relative to what they do right now if they get consumer marketshare. Iirc, Nvidias gaming revenue still beats AMDs enterprise earnings.
And then UDNA has been nowhere to be found, probably coming next year. AMD completely blew their lead in the APU space.
Eh, they will still have the best igpus on the market for a while. If they price the 388 well there is hope for them. But it's never going to sell the volumes Intel will.
UDNA is a major architecture overhaul on par with the the introduction of Ryzen and RDNA. A year is a long time but AMD only really needs a single gen to recover this gap if they so wish. But UDNA will need to be made with versatility and low power application in mind.
agreed. these rehashed mobile chips with bad upscaling are well beyond their lifespan.
That article claims it on par with the 4050 laptop. Jesus christ
I looked at the benchmark scores they put out and it looks pretty promising, apparently the 12XE core variant can score somewhere around 6300 on Time Spy graphics (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Early-Intel-Panther-Lake-iGPU-benchmark-impresses-with-50-faster-performance-vs-Lunar-Lake.1138923.0.html).
Intel is comparing a 4050 with low wattage (60W system TDP IIRC) so it's not as good as the full powered 4050 which scores around 8000 on Time Spy. On low powered 4050s though like the one in the XPS and other thin and lights it will compare pretty evenly. It also outscores basically any 3050 on the market since the highest powered ones get around 4500-5000 on Time Spy (which was already matched pretty decently by the old 8XE core GPUs)
Panther Lake with an iGPU being able to play the newest games on medium/high settings in a thin notebook is pretty crazy
Low to medium , not high
High with XESS maybe at ‘okay’ frame rates. Still, crazy.
It will depend on game to game basis. Some perform well on iGPUs, some tank hard due to memory bandwidth or whatever issue they have with it.
A quick Google says 9 TFLOPS or the equivalent to an RTX 1080, 2070, 3060, 4050 give or take.
this is nice but the handheld market could use less ultra 9 and 7s and more ultra 3s. the closer they can get to the nintendo 2DS XL in size while being under $400 the better.
I am definitely looking to get a gaming handheld PC with PTL in it. Gonna cost a fortune probably but it's my first and intend to stick with it for a long time
The only thing that would stop me is if they skimp on ram... Which might be a very real problem
77% faster while using 80% more power.
I rather see power matched benchmarks.
They did against the 285h and it's a similar margin. Lunar lake has a power burst max wattage below panther lakes max sustain power here so they can't compare 1:1 properly
82% faster than 890M with 30% more power draw with native resolutions
Mfg on or off? The article wasn’t clear on that.
native rendering
Are you following CES at all? The top feature of that architecture so far has been power reduction
happy about more handheld focus, genuinely have put in more hours on my steam deck than my pc setup this year. i have my eyes on ARM going forward as well
fun to see them tout XeSS MFG on mobile gpus while the B580 still doesnt have it....
Really excited to see these chips on handhelds.
I’ll always want a really good handheld besides my PC. Currently own a Legion Go S and the Switch 2 so this is good for everyone. AMD stays on their toes and if intel is good and gives us a SteamOS native device, I’ll definitely try them next upgrade. The
I'm looking forward to this, especially for a gaming handheld/mini pc device, having a gpu that is nearly capable of a RTX 4050 with that power profile could be game changing.
Plus all the existing Intel XESS features are icing on the cake, although support for that scaler is flakey. I'm just hopeful that more games will support XESS.
Can anyone say real life performance diff, and how much increase in battery life in real laptops, Because I feel many times those ppt numbers don't nearly match real usage (especially when ppt numbers are huge).
Can I get Mac like battery(or atleast 7hrs with no performance drop) and how much does it compare to Mac m1/a18 air performance with them on a $600 laptop.(Assuming fedora/mint as OS)
I don't understand, we need to see the price of this thing, because otherwise we have to compare it to the AMD 8060s which will be more powerful, but even the cheapest machine with that costs €1500/€2000. We just need to see what price point this chip will be offered at.
On just 2 channel / 128 bit RAM, well done Intel!
An ancient Chinese proverb (roughly) states: 'Talk... does not make rice...' 🤔
Steam deck 2??? Take my money gaben.
It does look like an amazing performer. I hope the Linux drivers are up to the task… Windows based handhelds have been pretty bad because of Windows.
Who cares, gives cheaper powerful GPUs for 2k, 4k gaming