Disproportionate responses aren’t Justice. Tit for tat was fine (even encouraged if you will), but wishing for an extreme turn of events isn’t justice. That’s just a race to the bottom
The guy hit him through the window and the kid pushed him down. Not that disproportionate. It's not like he stabbed him or anything. I bet ol lumpy thinks twice before starting things with a stranger.
That’s not what I was responding to or talking about. The thread you’re responding to is saying that dude was lucky not to fall into the fire hydrant and the person I responded to said that would have been just. I disagree
But the 2nd pusher wouldn’t have any claim to self defense and would be liable for at least voluntary manslaughter. This is why the cops exist. Call and say you were assaulted and you have a good clear video of it. Don’t use vigilante justice.
But you aren’t supposed to block the crosswalk if you clearly can’t go. Driver is far from innocent.
Yeah, my first thought was that at least around here the driver broke two laws:
You are not allowed to stop on crosswalks (except for obvious traffic-safety reasons, if your options are "stop on crosswalk" or "hit cyclist" then obviously the law allows you to stop on the crosswalk).
When entering a public road from a parking lot or other private property you have to yield to all other road users (and at least here legally speaking that includes pedestrians).
It's because of guys like these that in my country we have a great saying: "você é grande mas não é dois", which literally means "you are big but you are not two".
Yes there are two idiots here. While the unprovoked assault from old whitey was absolutely uncalled for, other dude should have cared about the sidewalk and pedestrian right of way.
The charge of the other dude was absolutely warranted.
No, if they wanted to call it a case of self defence, that would mean that the guy in the car was still in danger; the other guy was already walking away so the guy in the car was no longer in danger, thus it would legally be considered assault. First guy was still the bad guy, but there was no reason the guy in the car needed to chase him down
"Uhm ackshually ~". When did I say anything about legality. Obviously both were in the wrong; blocking a crosswalk, punching a dude through an open window, chasing a man down the street and pushing him to the ground. "Two idiots"
He didn’t shoot him, he went hands-on after being punched. Contrary to what some people believe, in most places, you aren’t legally required to take a punch to the face without reacting just because someone walks away. What you can’t do is react disproportionately, like beating the other person to death.
That said, old dude is right, don’t block the fucking sidewalk. He just shouldn’t have punched the kid.
Maybe, but most people aren't just going to get punch in the face and be like "oh ok, you have a good day sir" and keep going. That's gonna trigger a response in damn near any person, legal or not. If the cops did come out and all that happened was the dude got pushed down, I don't think they would have done anything.
I don't think getting out of an active car to chase down an elderly man walking away from you to assault him is ever really warranted in this situation, but sure thing bud. They'd both be charged with assault in real life.
Great. That doesn't change anything though. If someone assaults you, yes that's assault. If you then proceed to chase that person down and attack them back, that's also assault. You both end up in jail. That's how that works.
Wrong. He attacked the old men from behind as the man was walking away. Self defense has no chance I court. As a matter of fact the old guy shoots n kills the kid as the kid is kicking him on the ground. Thats self defense. The boy is lucky on several accounts.
You were right in the first half, but not the second. You can't claim self defense because you were losing a fight you started. He would be in serious shit if he shot the kid. The kid left his car to go throw hands, leaving your weapon behind to fight is a pretty reasonable indication you aren't threatening lethal harm.
Although the old man started it, he was walking away and was attacked from behind and kicked while on the ground. That alone can be charged as assault with a deadly weapon. Not sure what you mean by the kid leaving his weapon behind but anyways, cool!
That’s not true. You can reclaim self defense even as the initial attacker if you retreat and make it clear you are disengaging. The whole reason for that is to avoid what happened here. The law doesn’t like vigilante violence.
I mean sure but that old dude asked for it. Let them both be charged but either way if you're going to punch someone be prepared for a response. Read that as don't hit other people because you won't like the repercussions. But you are correct, car guy should have just called the cops and filed an assault charge.
Exactly. Idk why dudes getting down voted. Was the young guy hitting him back well deserved? Absolutely. But from a legal standpoint that absolutely wasn't self defense as he was walking away and there was no longer a threat of bodily harm. If the old dude calls the cops, they both get in trouble. If he doesn't, he can walk away without his dignity but also without an assault charge.
I really doubt he’d get an assault charge for acting in the moment after being assaulted without overwhelming force. Kicks to the head or if the guy had been seriously injured, then sure.
With that video? No - he's getting a battery charge. The first guy overreacted more than a tad, but the driver should not stop on a crosswalk - thats illegal, too, and very annoying for pedestrians. If he took his video and didnt run the guy down, then the other guy would be facing a battery charge if he hit the driver. But chasing the guy, knocking him down from behind, etc. he's getting the same charge as the guy he struck.
Raised by both parents. My dad was widowed in my late 20s. My mother was a college professor. My dad ran election campaigns. Both bleeding liberals. No blue hair ;-)
My only advice to the driver is keep “F’n & GOD out of the same sentence. Otherwise “Good job Brother” guy deserved that and a kick in the balls as well.
Dude is lucky he missed the fire hydrant. That could have done some serious damage.
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Disproportionate responses aren’t Justice. Tit for tat was fine (even encouraged if you will), but wishing for an extreme turn of events isn’t justice. That’s just a race to the bottom
The guy hit him through the window and the kid pushed him down. Not that disproportionate. It's not like he stabbed him or anything. I bet ol lumpy thinks twice before starting things with a stranger.
That’s not what I was responding to or talking about. The thread you’re responding to is saying that dude was lucky not to fall into the fire hydrant and the person I responded to said that would have been just. I disagree
Oh, no harm. :)
But the 2nd pusher wouldn’t have any claim to self defense and would be liable for at least voluntary manslaughter. This is why the cops exist. Call and say you were assaulted and you have a good clear video of it. Don’t use vigilante justice.
Okay like I get it, don’t be fighty. But you aren’t supposed to block the crosswalk if you clearly can’t go. Driver is far from innocent.
Yeah, my first thought was that at least around here the driver broke two laws:
It's embarrassing how so many old fat dudes think they can fight or are intimidating
It's because of guys like these that in my country we have a great saying: "você é grande mas não é dois", which literally means "you are big but you are not two".
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My dad would always say “there is always somebody bigger”
That's because they're used to intimidating smaller women and children.
Fat dudes with beards that wear the red cap
It's embarrassing how many people act like the driver, too.
I see two idiots in this video.
Yes there are two idiots here. While the unprovoked assault from old whitey was absolutely uncalled for, other dude should have cared about the sidewalk and pedestrian right of way.
The charge of the other dude was absolutely warranted.
No, if they wanted to call it a case of self defence, that would mean that the guy in the car was still in danger; the other guy was already walking away so the guy in the car was no longer in danger, thus it would legally be considered assault. First guy was still the bad guy, but there was no reason the guy in the car needed to chase him down
"Uhm ackshually ~". When did I say anything about legality. Obviously both were in the wrong; blocking a crosswalk, punching a dude through an open window, chasing a man down the street and pushing him to the ground. "Two idiots"
He didn’t shoot him, he went hands-on after being punched. Contrary to what some people believe, in most places, you aren’t legally required to take a punch to the face without reacting just because someone walks away. What you can’t do is react disproportionately, like beating the other person to death.
That said, old dude is right, don’t block the fucking sidewalk. He just shouldn’t have punched the kid.
Maybe, but most people aren't just going to get punch in the face and be like "oh ok, you have a good day sir" and keep going. That's gonna trigger a response in damn near any person, legal or not. If the cops did come out and all that happened was the dude got pushed down, I don't think they would have done anything.
I don't think getting out of an active car to chase down an elderly man walking away from you to assault him is ever really warranted in this situation, but sure thing bud. They'd both be charged with assault in real life.
Did you miss the part where he punch him in the face first?
Yes, but revenge beatings =/= self defense. The old guy got what he deserved, but if I was the driver I wouldn't be sharing that video anywhere
I would've thought this country learned what happens when actions don't have consequences
Great. That doesn't change anything though. If someone assaults you, yes that's assault. If you then proceed to chase that person down and attack them back, that's also assault. You both end up in jail. That's how that works.
Nah you see he was chasing after that old prick in self defense
Self defence would entail the car guy was still in active danger, which he was not. So it was assault
What I wrote was pretty clearly sarcasm
Wrong. He attacked the old men from behind as the man was walking away. Self defense has no chance I court. As a matter of fact the old guy shoots n kills the kid as the kid is kicking him on the ground. Thats self defense. The boy is lucky on several accounts.
You were right in the first half, but not the second. You can't claim self defense because you were losing a fight you started. He would be in serious shit if he shot the kid. The kid left his car to go throw hands, leaving your weapon behind to fight is a pretty reasonable indication you aren't threatening lethal harm.
What would it be? Aggregated man slaughter? Surely it's happened before..
Varies by jurisdiction. But generally if you are the aggressor you can't claim self defense if you escalated a fight to lethal force.
Although the old man started it, he was walking away and was attacked from behind and kicked while on the ground. That alone can be charged as assault with a deadly weapon. Not sure what you mean by the kid leaving his weapon behind but anyways, cool!
What was the deadly weapon, a shoe?
He left his car behind.
That’s not true. You can reclaim self defense even as the initial attacker if you retreat and make it clear you are disengaging. The whole reason for that is to avoid what happened here. The law doesn’t like vigilante violence.
You are going to need a damned good lawyer to get away with punching someone and backing off, then shooting them when they punch back.
...is this a serious comment?
When you control the video, you can conveniently delete the part where you assaulted someone before you get a discovery order lol
It's a bit harder to do that after you post it on the internet, though...
Why are you gay
Two wrongs don't make a right.
I mean sure but that old dude asked for it. Let them both be charged but either way if you're going to punch someone be prepared for a response. Read that as don't hit other people because you won't like the repercussions. But you are correct, car guy should have just called the cops and filed an assault charge.
Exactly. Idk why dudes getting down voted. Was the young guy hitting him back well deserved? Absolutely. But from a legal standpoint that absolutely wasn't self defense as he was walking away and there was no longer a threat of bodily harm. If the old dude calls the cops, they both get in trouble. If he doesn't, he can walk away without his dignity but also without an assault charge.
Things can be both. Reddit doesn't do nuance.
I really doubt he’d get an assault charge for acting in the moment after being assaulted without overwhelming force. Kicks to the head or if the guy had been seriously injured, then sure.
With that video? No - he's getting a battery charge. The first guy overreacted more than a tad, but the driver should not stop on a crosswalk - thats illegal, too, and very annoying for pedestrians. If he took his video and didnt run the guy down, then the other guy would be facing a battery charge if he hit the driver. But chasing the guy, knocking him down from behind, etc. he's getting the same charge as the guy he struck.
Nah in this case totally warranted.
old people fall just like anyone
Driver made a misstake and was like: "What are you going to do about it?!".
Violence is never the answer but the driver was not innocent at all!
When two idiots meet...
Everybody sucks here, zero karma gained
Do regular people in America actually talk like this?
Yah bro
Crazy people doing crazy shit (both of them)
Every day this country reminds me more and more of Spargus City from Jak 3
You can basically punch a random citizen and start a firefight lol
That driver has a lot of attitude for someone that was in the wrong to start with.
He was in the wrong, but there was absolutely zero reason for violence from either of them.
The driver had a pretty good reason for violence once he was assaulted, no?
No, not in the eyes of the law at least
I don't care about the law, I'm still pleased with this outcome :P
This isn't about opinions I was just responding back to the person from a law prospective
Either way, justice got served.
EDIT: He shoulda double tapped him for good measure :P
Agreed. People in here talking about the rule of law. All i’d be worried about is my future mental state if I didn’t retaliate.
Vigilante justice is still justice :P
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I like how I'm being downvoted just for stating a fact
Ya never know when yer gonna hit the wrong guy in the face. His time has come
I feel like this applies to 99% of reddit videos
Im guessing your either:
raised by a single mom
a woman
a blue haired liberal
Am i right?
Raised by both parents. My dad was widowed in my late 20s. My mother was a college professor. My dad ran election campaigns. Both bleeding liberals. No blue hair ;-)
Sure, but that punch to the face was 100% uncalled for
Yeah, he should have just smashed the car window instead
Textbook situation of both parties being cunts.
Bruno Mars has changed y’all…
and that fake NYPD shirt...what?
Souvenir shirt. They sell them all over NYC in the tourist shops
As a certified Fight Juror- both parties got their respective hit AND cheap shot. Not guilty on all accounts.
Old guy deserved that
Should have keyed the fucks car and moved on. Fuck people who block crosswalks.
Instant karma would be if both of them got fucked up.
someone else walks up to the car and drives off
Theyre bros now?
When two assholes meet.
Dumb and Dumber come together.
Dude showed more restraint than I would have.
If you park in the crosswalk and refuse to admit your mistake and correct it you deserve the instant karma. Dude deserved that little love tap.
So both these guys are dickheads?
The guy walking was right... learn how to drive
Bitch kid needs a real whooping. Welcome to life
With a cop shirt on. Thinking he is above it all
Exactly 🤣
All of the maga anger and hate boiling to the surface.
Ru!
Why would you ever roll down your window for an aggressive person. Keep your windows up
Chubs toppled like an egg. Humpty Dumpty built jackass.
Thats fucked up init
Walrus down!
I think ol dude got what he deserved. Not too much. Good self control.
Way too few kicks to the balls after that.
The driver was wrong here
Sure. Cause it’s so hard to walk around a car that creeped into a walking path it’s worth assaulting someone over? Uh huh 🙄
If it is a crosswalk, it is a crosswalk. It's so hard to just stop the car a few meters earlier
He got punked
Sugarhouse mentioned
Should have kicked him in his twat.
Hey look, now you're on "✌️your✌️" crosswalk
There goes my hero
How he didn’t follow up with a 1-2 to the guy’s nose while he’s down is beyond me
Driver let dude off easy.
My only advice to the driver is keep “F’n & GOD out of the same sentence. Otherwise “Good job Brother” guy deserved that and a kick in the balls as well.
Oh my fuckin god! I know right.
God doesn’t care.