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How is that gynocentrism? If I said “men are actually religious nuts basing opinions on faith and feelings and are only pretending to be rational/logical/base opinions on facts,”and someone called me a misandrist for that, that wouldn’t be an example of patriarchy. They would just be accurately pointing out that I said a blatantly misandristic thing.
But that isn't true at all. Literally every religion goes to convert women first. They generally are more likely to identify with any religion than men are.
Have you considered that that is because the major religions of the world tell women they are below men? That "God" is for some reason referred to with male pronouns rather than treated as genderless? That Eve ruined everything by eating the apple and sharing it with Adam? That (in Islam) most of hell is composed of women and it's okay to take them as sex slaves in certain situations? That (again, in Islam) menstruation makes women filthy and unholy?
Cognitive dissonance, maybe? Or maybe they see their mothers performing patriarchal gender roles and are resentful that younger women are increasingly refusing to adhere to those roles?
It's also possible that their love for the women they are related to is dependent on how closely those women perform those gender roles. Some of them may even despise their female relatives as well.
I mean, you shouldn’t hate individual Muslims just for being Muslim (now once you learn their opinions and if they actually buy into the things Islam teaches about women/non Muslims/their pedophile prophet, that’s another thing) since the vast majority of people stay with whatever religion they’re raised in, and it’s unfair to hold them to a higher standard than everyone else in that regard. But yeah, Islam is a terrible thing with horrific teachings. Really all the Abrahamic religions have some utterly barbaric teachings in there, but Islam is the youngest and was started by a child raping warlord who they have to believe was perfectly moral, so it’s got a harder time reforming its teachings to be, well, actually moral.
They don't think that women are capable of genuinely being human beings who seek a sense of spirituality to become closer to God/the universe/whatever, and cynically and misogynistically just assume "the worst", which is a healthy and functioning normal woman having an active sex life while she's young and, and maybe later in life deciding she wants to slow down and explore and/or practice discipline via faith or spiritual practices. Like it's somehow a bad thing for her to mature and want something completely different than when she was younger.
Nevermind that literally almost everyone has that character development, it's common or expected for men to "sow their wild oats" and experiance sexual exploration and settle down with the expectation of being able to marry a wife later in life after banging so many people, but God forbid a woman do literally the exact same thing.
It's always based on the belief that women who only become religious later in life are somehow only like that because they became "spoiled, used, ran through", like it's a bad thing to have sexual experience and want to settle down, and maybe hold boundaries regarding sex that these immature men think their fellows haven't already considered. "Bro she had sex with other people before you without marriage and now she expects you to wait without putting out" type annoying shit logic.
Not to mention that they'd still be shit talking women who were areligious and practicing casual sex anyway. They're just hateful and full of spite and want to use weird and convoluted justifications to be assholes to women. They would also talk shit about women who have been religious virgins their into their late thirties, too.
It's not "switching sides". It's called growth. People don't stay the same over the course of their entire life. People can and should live in a way that's congruent with their values, and reflect the natural evolution or shift that they may have.
People should do whatever is natural for them in experiencing life. That can look like anything and it's all okay as long as they know what they're doing and aren't hurting others. Why are you repeating yourself? Is this actually what you think?
I don't know about someone else's sex life and I'm not being paid to bother, so why do you?
Okay, so you are keen to natural laws (nature / biology). I can agree with that, but we as a society made huge leap forward to gain adventages.
Nature laws are:
- Top 5% of men are breeding all the women
- The rest of men provide to get access to some leftover sex
- Women are useless when they are in old age of ~40.
- Men are usefull as long as they can provide.
You asked me why do i care. I can answer that. Society developed a system of monogamy, which is a compromise. Men are granted access to sex rights earlier and don't need to earn it that much / are granted better quality women when they are younger. Women are granted stability. It works when society keep it's values. When you do break rules and want to keep all the best from other systems = you got no system and revert to natural laws.
It happened when 14 year old boys were being predated on and groomed by Andrew Tate types and post shit like this unironically, because the people who often share "advice" like this tend to be pseudointellecuals who masquerade or trojan horse their misogyny with their shitty "personal philosophy rooted in evidence and science" (which is almost always bullshit they pulled out of their ass).
This intersects PERFECTLY with this subreddit and it's intention in taking down or mocking stuff like that to begin with, we're just seeing an important and additional layer to it.
I'd argue that we need to see more examples of bad shitty and faulty stuff that only gullible teens would believe being shamed here, because that age group is unironically consuming a lot of fascist, transphobic, incel, racist, generally gross stuff and defend it by saying "this is so deep, everyone else doesn't understand me and how smart I am".
"I dont care about truth as much as I care about feeling good. I accept positions as true with absolutely no evidence. I can believe one thing, but my behavior contradicts that belief structure, and rather than address this cognitive dissonance, I will ignore it and make excuses as to why its permissible instead of just simply abandoning the belief structure. I dont think very deeply about why we know what we know to be true, and interpret every position as equally viable as to not undermine my presuppositional worldview"
Its not just a disagreement, its a fundamental incompatibility with how i live my life. The fact that someone could put up with this is mind blowing to me.
This is not related to the "sigma" tweet (which I disagree with as I do the manosphere in general), just your reply
I accept positions as true with absolutely no evidence.
How would you live life if you never acted in any direction without absolute proof? Is there proof that it's the best way to make decisions in every situation?
I can believe one thing, but my behavior contradicts that belief structure, and rather than address this cognitive dissonance, I will ignore it and make excuses as to why its permissible instead of just simply abandoning the belief structure.
I would say most people have ideals that they don't follow through on, and as humans we can't do everything we do perfectly. But you can't really tell how much an individual person does without meeting them in person rather than their attributes.
How would you live life if you never acted in any direction without absolute proof? Is there proof that it's the best way to make decisions in every situation?
Any evidence whatsoever = absolute proof
Good logic lol
I would say most people have ideals that they don't follow through on
True, they dont build an entire worldview attached
and as humans we can't do everything we do perfectly
Again, not expecting perfection. You keep insinuating that im expecting perfect behavior.
But you can't really tell how much an individual person does without meeting them in person rather than their attributes.
Dont care. I don't have time to meet and analyze the attributes of every person I come across. Generalities have to be made. Generally speaking this is what religious people adhere to.
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"Dear bro"
I love these dear bro, i wish I saw them more often
Now we can’t accuse them of toxic masculinity damn
Ain't one of the points of religion to convert adults too?
They're implying those women were promiscuous prior to their conversion, the invalidation of adult religious conversions is an unintended byproduct
what would they rather burn them at the stake
That is also the point of cults and pyramid schemes, but that doesn't mean they're not a red flag.
It's point of religion, but that women don't care about religion. They pretend.
Eew, a misogynist.
eewwww. gynocentrism.
can smell you from here mate. would call you lil bro but tbh you're probs larger than my car
personal insults are not arguments. Focus on the topic and present point to debate
Here’s a point I want to debate: your unhappiness shouldn’t be women’s problem to solve.
How is that gynocentrism? If I said “men are actually religious nuts basing opinions on faith and feelings and are only pretending to be rational/logical/base opinions on facts,”and someone called me a misandrist for that, that wouldn’t be an example of patriarchy. They would just be accurately pointing out that I said a blatantly misandristic thing.
Source?
But that isn't true at all. Literally every religion goes to convert women first. They generally are more likely to identify with any religion than men are.
Have you considered that that is because the major religions of the world tell women they are below men? That "God" is for some reason referred to with male pronouns rather than treated as genderless? That Eve ruined everything by eating the apple and sharing it with Adam? That (in Islam) most of hell is composed of women and it's okay to take them as sex slaves in certain situations? That (again, in Islam) menstruation makes women filthy and unholy?
its always "Rise of Sigma" page
I avoid dating the religious, period.
I don't need more crazy in my life.
Specially people that became super religious in their 20s/30s.
They’re seeking forgiveness from something they can’t forgive themselves for.
Or they’re desperate for community and jump in on the cult to speed ramp their way in fully
Religious people believe in unverifiable and outright false things.
I don't care when, why, or what religion it is, its always a red flag.
Also, converts are usually WAY more intense about their faith that the people born into it
Same
speaking facts
U good bro?
Yeah
Religion is not completely logical and reddit-pilled and is therefore dumpstered by a lot of people around here
Mostly by younger people who are ignorant about religion, but still
Are you? Lol
Indian meme (and manosphere) subs are just dedicated to spreading hate towards women and Muslims. Nothing new.
Is this an Indian meme, though?
Its from a sub that is run by indians yes.
why do they all hate thee sisters and the women they want to get with, it makes no sense.
I mean, you could say that about pretty much any hateful misogynist.
true but I still do not get it
Cognitive dissonance, maybe? Or maybe they see their mothers performing patriarchal gender roles and are resentful that younger women are increasingly refusing to adhere to those roles?
It's also possible that their love for the women they are related to is dependent on how closely those women perform those gender roles. Some of them may even despise their female relatives as well.
It's a frustrating and complex problem.
It’s not even a meme. But it flies on those subs 👍🏻
It’s mostly this one dude who posts these alpha sigma posts. He’s pretty famous on this sub too.
💯
TBF hating "the religion of peace" is only returning their hate to them. The way that dark age fantasy desert religion treats women is abhorrent.
I mean, you shouldn’t hate individual Muslims just for being Muslim (now once you learn their opinions and if they actually buy into the things Islam teaches about women/non Muslims/their pedophile prophet, that’s another thing) since the vast majority of people stay with whatever religion they’re raised in, and it’s unfair to hold them to a higher standard than everyone else in that regard. But yeah, Islam is a terrible thing with horrific teachings. Really all the Abrahamic religions have some utterly barbaric teachings in there, but Islam is the youngest and was started by a child raping warlord who they have to believe was perfectly moral, so it’s got a harder time reforming its teachings to be, well, actually moral.
OOP is the kind of guy who'd have a religious quote on his bio and goes against its own principles all across social media :D
"Dear bro" is so fucking cringe 🤮
I avoid religious women period but I lowkey agree with this. “Born agains” usually have a lot of baggage.
antisocial repulsive men who can't get laid love turning to religion to make it seem like they had a choice in the matter
It's slut-shaming
Dear bro,
What?
They don't think that women are capable of genuinely being human beings who seek a sense of spirituality to become closer to God/the universe/whatever, and cynically and misogynistically just assume "the worst", which is a healthy and functioning normal woman having an active sex life while she's young and, and maybe later in life deciding she wants to slow down and explore and/or practice discipline via faith or spiritual practices. Like it's somehow a bad thing for her to mature and want something completely different than when she was younger.
Nevermind that literally almost everyone has that character development, it's common or expected for men to "sow their wild oats" and experiance sexual exploration and settle down with the expectation of being able to marry a wife later in life after banging so many people, but God forbid a woman do literally the exact same thing.
It's always based on the belief that women who only become religious later in life are somehow only like that because they became "spoiled, used, ran through", like it's a bad thing to have sexual experience and want to settle down, and maybe hold boundaries regarding sex that these immature men think their fellows haven't already considered. "Bro she had sex with other people before you without marriage and now she expects you to wait without putting out" type annoying shit logic.
Not to mention that they'd still be shit talking women who were areligious and practicing casual sex anyway. They're just hateful and full of spite and want to use weird and convoluted justifications to be assholes to women. They would also talk shit about women who have been religious virgins their into their late thirties, too.
Just stick to your values and don't play pretend.
If you want to have sex around, just do it. No shame.
If you want NOT to have sex around just do it. No worry.
BUT if you want to switch sides at point when it just benefit you... SHAME!
For women: sex early, then virtues at eldery age of 30 y/o.
For men: Virtues early, then sex at peak at 30 y/o.
It's not "switching sides". It's called growth. People don't stay the same over the course of their entire life. People can and should live in a way that's congruent with their values, and reflect the natural evolution or shift that they may have.
So, men should have virtues when young, then life their life (active and colourfull sexual life with dozens of women) when mature (30+),
Women should have carousel of sex when young, then accept virtues when in old age of 30.
People should do whatever is natural for them in experiencing life. That can look like anything and it's all okay as long as they know what they're doing and aren't hurting others. Why are you repeating yourself? Is this actually what you think?
I don't know about someone else's sex life and I'm not being paid to bother, so why do you?
Okay, so you are keen to natural laws (nature / biology). I can agree with that, but we as a society made huge leap forward to gain adventages.
Nature laws are:
- Top 5% of men are breeding all the women
- The rest of men provide to get access to some leftover sex
- Women are useless when they are in old age of ~40.
- Men are usefull as long as they can provide.
You asked me why do i care. I can answer that. Society developed a system of monogamy, which is a compromise. Men are granted access to sex rights earlier and don't need to earn it that much / are granted better quality women when they are younger. Women are granted stability. It works when society keep it's values. When you do break rules and want to keep all the best from other systems = you got no system and revert to natural laws.
no people should be able to live their life properly at all ages.
It should not be a us-versus-them; it always end up miserable, and why would I wish others to be miserable if it will not even make me happy either?
Sluts should be shamed.
I mean… I don’t date religious people… at all so I guess I can trust this?
I thought the whole sigma tate alpha whatever slop ended like a year ago
dear basketball
Rise of Sigma
Just avoid all religious nuts. Especially the ones that don't read what Jesus said about not needing religion to find God
I don't agree with the "rise of sigma" post, but what?
Id apply this to men WAYY before applying this to women
I think your missing the point here
no, it doesn't. when did this become another place to post gender war bait slop?? so annoying.
It happened when 14 year old boys were being predated on and groomed by Andrew Tate types and post shit like this unironically, because the people who often share "advice" like this tend to be pseudointellecuals who masquerade or trojan horse their misogyny with their shitty "personal philosophy rooted in evidence and science" (which is almost always bullshit they pulled out of their ass).
This intersects PERFECTLY with this subreddit and it's intention in taking down or mocking stuff like that to begin with, we're just seeing an important and additional layer to it.
I'd argue that we need to see more examples of bad shitty and faulty stuff that only gullible teens would believe being shamed here, because that age group is unironically consuming a lot of fascist, transphobic, incel, racist, generally gross stuff and defend it by saying "this is so deep, everyone else doesn't understand me and how smart I am".
nah
Rise of sigma😈😈🐺🐺🐺
I dunno about depth but its good advice tbh
not really it’s just misogyny
Expand on that
What if I became religious in my early 20s? Am I still a freak?
God I hope not. 14 year olds should not be dating 20+ year old women anyways.
I dont see the point here
When believing the same things you do isn't enough.
"Fortnite we need to talk"
"Don't date any woman who became religious in any age"
FTFY
How about I just avoid dating a religious woman?
I just don't date religious people. Full stop
Religion is a deal breaker for me.
What youre tacitly admitting to is:
"I dont care about truth as much as I care about feeling good. I accept positions as true with absolutely no evidence. I can believe one thing, but my behavior contradicts that belief structure, and rather than address this cognitive dissonance, I will ignore it and make excuses as to why its permissible instead of just simply abandoning the belief structure. I dont think very deeply about why we know what we know to be true, and interpret every position as equally viable as to not undermine my presuppositional worldview"
Its not just a disagreement, its a fundamental incompatibility with how i live my life. The fact that someone could put up with this is mind blowing to me.
This is not related to the "sigma" tweet (which I disagree with as I do the manosphere in general), just your reply
How would you live life if you never acted in any direction without absolute proof? Is there proof that it's the best way to make decisions in every situation?
I would say most people have ideals that they don't follow through on, and as humans we can't do everything we do perfectly. But you can't really tell how much an individual person does without meeting them in person rather than their attributes.
Any evidence whatsoever = absolute proof
Good logic lol
True, they dont build an entire worldview attached
Again, not expecting perfection. You keep insinuating that im expecting perfect behavior.
Dont care. I don't have time to meet and analyze the attributes of every person I come across. Generalities have to be made. Generally speaking this is what religious people adhere to.
That’s not the point the op is trying to make
There is no OP. Its a bot. And I dont care if thats the point in the immediate sense. Its the end result of this corrosive mindset.