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it's straight up projection / worse they think the fact they or other uggos would still have sex with you as a warm willing hole is suppose to be a compliment/privilege to women.
It's so fucked how men have monopolized loneliness. As a woman you can't even mention on the internet that you struggle with dating without getting dogpiled and insulted.
These dudes want me to admit I have it "better" than them like their lives depend on it??? They just don't want to alter their own worldview because it would force them to change. I don't blame women or men or nb folks for not finding me attractive, I blame the fact that I allowed obesity and depression to take over.
I used to get the same shit when I was single and using Reddit to vent because nobody IRL cared either. I kept getting shit like "Well theoreticallyyyyy you could have sex with an unsafe stranger who doesn't give a single flying fuck about you at any time, so why the fuck are you sad about nobody wanting to commit to you or start a family with you? You get instant easy sex, that's like way better than an emotional connection!"
Which belies their whole worldview and shows exactly why women aren't flocking to them. Their whole mindset is gross. It's a big red flag but they blame women.
In 6th grade I joined trivia team and the team captain was an 8th grader called Scooter who called me “meaty” for an entire year because I was fat and it sounds close to my name. He got the entire team to call me meaty and even the teacher in charge slipped up and called me it by accident once.
He even told his friends at other schools about me so kids at my tennis team tournaments from other schools called me it for a little bit. All because I was fat and ugly as a little 6th grader.
I'm in my late teens but boys in school and HS would not even look at me or be decent. All my "good looking" friends were getting attention and they'd in turn bully me for it. I was just a normal tomboy, almost looked like a boy. It was really horrible and yes boys do care A LOT about looks, sometimes more than girls
It's crazy how they can, in the same breath, say that women only go for the top 10 percent of men,
yet also talk about overweight women as if it'd be the biggest insult to be with one.
They want the pretty women to date the overweight unkempt guys, while demonizing overweight women.
Because this is only true for online apps like tinder where ppl match purely the physique.
But when you are dating in real life, it's different, because the other variables come in play like: your charisma, the way you talk, your confidence, your humor, your charm etc
An attractiveness scale just can never be true, maybe people will see you higher than you see yourself, because attractiveness is super subjective and can’t be put on some objective scale.
There are general trends of what people consider attractive or not, they just can't be simplified to the extent memes try to. At best you could claim a range of attractiveness for each person. Some people would see them as the high/low end of the range. There also other factors (outside of modeling), obviously, which are far more subjective.
It's about numbers. Conventional attraction brings in a big number of people because its generally pleasing to many, but in fact it's not really specifically pleasing for very many people.
It's kinda like the radio. They'll play popular songs because they reach the widest audiences, but a good chunk of people will hate the music for being generic and crowd-pleasing. They might prefer something much more niche, but they'll listen to their music with great enthusiasm.
Conventional attractiveness changes with time and culture. It's a society abstract concept, real attraction doesn't follow any rules. It's very individually oriented.
Conventional attraction is just what net catches the most fish possible, but no net catches all kinds of fish.
They can to varying degrees of success. There are plenty of models that I personally don't find attractive that many people do. Just because you personally don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Based on just how quickly the standards of beauty for wealthy people change, the "objective standards" are basically a collection of fashion fads at this point imo
Im kind of twink-y and have figured out that its not necessarily many womens type. They want big and strong men. But all males i talk with think im supposed to be able to get any girl since i fit their vision of beauty better - the feminine one. Im fine with it, its important to me that i think i look sexy in the mirror.
bisexual women are who are going to be attracted to you -at least the one's that really love femininity, it's also why they end up with the best guys, men who are comfortable in their sexuality to not perform masculinity.
Yup; kinda the point. Men and women who are straight will only see their flaws because they aren’t into the same sex. I’m pan; I sometimes look in the mirror and go “I’d fuck me” because I do find women hot. Lol
if this is how it worked we’d all be stunning by now and since the invention of photography to aid our analysis we know this not to be true, at least over the last few generations
though dropping traditional marriage structures has been a big recent change, and both men and women use contraception and are more promiscuous, so maybe there is some truth to the graph, though monogamy isn’t exactly ancient and people had crude forms of not having children in the past an infant mortality was high
Attractiveness doesn’t have to be looks, especially for women. Also how you carry yourself, groom/style yourself, career, humor/compatibility, are some other things women find attractive
Yeah, this is what the concept of dating appears to those online without any idea of what reality is. Go outside and you’ll see plenty of pretty girls with men who might not be the best looking…maybe because it’s not all about looks?
Also good looking-men with women who are not considered good-looking. People fall in love & it makes sense to them as a couple even if it doesn’t make sense for this dumbass chart lol
Same here, I think the conventionally ugly people are attractive and conventionally pretty people are eh. People refuse to believe I don’t find conventionally attractive people pretty/handsome 😭
I feel like these people have never walked outside in a public area and, like, noticed that there are a large number of couples who are objectively not conventionally attractive.
I kid you not, one of the interactions I’ll never forget on this app was a guy saying that if a man is “average or below average” he has to “go above and beyond by having a good personality or a good sense of humor”. This was in response to a woman saying her boyfriend or husband is an average sized guy with an average life whom she loves because he’s a good person, and she likes his sense of humor. Like, ohhhhhh brotherrrrr get a GRIP!
You’re talking about an unattractive male with an attractive woman. They were talking about a couple where both are unattractive. Which is funny, because their point is no one notices unattractive couples. And if you think about it, it’s true. Ugly people are practically invisible outside of a half second glance before most people avert their eyes to something nicer to look at, and probably not even consciously. And incels especially are too distracted by their biased narratives to pay attention to average or below average people being happy, or at least gettin’ some.
The last time myself, his best friend, and his bffs fiance (whom until this he was also close friends with,) brought that up to a mutual friend, he just rage quit and spent the next few months shit talking his bffs fiance online to his community and hundreds of random strangers online. (Hes a vtuber.) He couldnt even regurgitate any more of those baseless talking points when we pointed out to look at people in public.
Ranking people based on appearance like this is also subjective and even situational, like one person's 1 could easily be another person's 10, so this is just dumb. My wife married me because she loves Jack Black and I have always had Jack Black energy. He's a ten to her.
Fr, I’m REALLY into “old hag” type women, just straight up conventionally ugly women, and I consider models to be anywhere from unattractive to straight up repulsive at times 😭 but no apparently this isn’t possible, everyone HAS to find conventionally attractive people attractive
It's a good thing they labeled the y-axis twice, otherwise we wouldn't understand that it was depicting.......wait, what is the graph expressing again?
theres a trend on tt that shows the amount of women that get with conventionally average or unnattractive guys and get their hearts treated horribly but incels close their eyes when shown proof
Incels call that phenomenon the “oofie doofie” and claim that women either cheat on them or are secretly always thinking about hot mean guys. And when proven false they close their eyes and go “lalalalala I can’t hear you!”
I've found there's sadly a lot of men who seem to think all men will literally have sex with about any woman who offers. It's like they went through puberty and literally no one in their life explained to them that they were going to have to learn some self control and to make decisions that might run contrary to their libido on a regular basis.
True, and they seem to think that’s naturally how women are as well : that they just want to sleep with men they find physically attractive (apparently without any care for personality or the odds of a long-term compatibility), so they should consider themselves very privileged to be the object of so much lust because what more could they possibly want from a man ?
This reminds me of a chart that I saw for age preference in men vs women. Women were shown to prefer men close to their age, while men across the board wanted women in their early 20's. I have experience that supports this idea, as I (23F) am regularly hit on by men older than my father.
There's quite a few accounts on Instagram and TikTok of god looking muscular men dating obese/very unattractive women and the comments are very positive towards the relationship yet the few accounts that have beautiful woken date mid looking men are full of women saying that she should leave him and date someone rich and beautiful.
I get that doubke standard. I mean if throughout history women have been treated as prizes and constantly shown to only be worthy if they're beautiful then if it's out of the ordinary then it would be praised. Meanwhile if the toxic standard is continued it'll be disliked. Also, you're just on the wrong side, to be honest. People like that tend to be horrible on other places, irl even. Ive heard more stories of men getting told to leave a woman because shes "subpar" while women are told to stay with a man no matter what because that's expected of a wife. ALSO it's rare for what you say to happen. Rare for a handsome guy to openly date a "lesser" looking girl while it's very common for a beautiful woman to date a "lesser" looking guy
And doesn't know of any ugly women because he doesn't even register our existence. He probably thinks a 5 is a 2. We're much uglier and much more misshapen.
these dorks that complain about not getting dates need to focus on developing a personality and make friends with girls instead of just trying to pick up on and fuck them like andrew tate tells them to.
I'm so tired of this bullshit. Go talk to a woman, go outside for a jog and work on yourself or just own being alone for the time being, but stop being a weird incel cunt about not getting laid enough.
Poor innocent incels who get no dates just because theyre not attractive and thats the only reason. Women are truly evil for having standards that don't include them
How many times have you seen a conventionally unattractive woman with a conventionally attractive man? Okay, now how many times have you seen a conventionally unattractive man with a conventionally attractive woman? There you go. That in itself is proof this chart is bullshit lol. Also rating people by numbers is so 90’s in a bad way.
I see this discourse all the time online… but whenever I look at average couples when I’m out it’s usually the woman who is more attractive. I don’t get it.
I like how they act like attractiveness is some objective scientific fact that everyone knows and has a very specific rank in. Never occurs to them that one person’s 10 might be another person’s 3.
This is the worst fucking American brainwashed shit I've seen in weeks. Looks are 100% subjective. Over the years the female beauty ideal has ranged from stick thin with huge breasts to Kim Kardashian and the male beauty ideal has ranged from Chris Hemsworth to Timothy Chalamet. People don't suddenly change what they like, so the beauty ideal was obviously all bullshit to begin with
Nobody becomes incel because of watching Andrew tate. They are because they have zero success with women and personal experience. Andrew tate just tries to validate their lived experience initially and then tries to scam them with his course.
I’ve seen a lot more gorgeous women with average and unattractive men than the other way round. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an attractive man with an unattractive woman, but I have seen a couple of average dudes w unattractive women.
I’ve seen boatloads of couples where I find both unattractive, and they’re together.
What is especcially funny to me is that people who post this in serious manners also often use this okcupid graphic to back this up. But when you go deeper into these exact statistics you find some other pretty interesting graphs that just directly contradict their narrative. https://i.imgur.com/GSudEHM.png
I hate how reddit is just getting swamped with these red pill and black pill narratives that might as well could be posted by 13 year old edgy boys. They are saying stuff like "oh I never had a date, this is because females only go for chad!", but when you call women "females" and have little respect for them than yeah, you will be unattractive, congratulations. Some of these people.
The same guys that complain about this, are the same guys who use “biology” to excuse shit like cheating.
Like yeah, this chart even if it was true, just represents how men and women work. Men are trying to find a mate to reproduce with, women are the ones who carry 99% of the burden when reproducing so women have to be picky and choosey about who they allow to have offspring with. So yeah, it would make sense that women refuse to settle for assholes who have such a huge ego they think they are entitled to attention from women.
fuck number scales. it literally means nothing anymore. fuck all these victim mentalities. i'm tired of shit like this on social media. what is a 2? or a 9? anything that is meaningful. genuinely. and shit whos to say someone who is a 7 couldnt find someone who is, to everyone else, a 3, to be a 10 on THEIR scale.
my main type of guy is jason fucking voorhees. bro is deformed and i'd still kiss his algae-covered wet face. attraction is so, so subjective that this chart is entirely meaningless.
This post assumes that women aren't equality goddesses that date anyone therefore the post shall be banished to the shadow realms according to the fedora law
it’s a very debatable type of chart, yes attractive people will get more dates in general by looks , but a lot of “ugly” people in reality usually are not ugly, they just don’t take care of themselves like they should, having a healthy lifestyle aswell increases attraction, a lot of people who view themselves ugly don’t care for themselves a lot because of that kind of false shaming, behavior aswell is a big part of attraction, being negative or holding unhealthy routines can make even the most attractive people ugly on the inside, and nobody mature is just going on looks alone when it comes to dating.
people in reality usually are not ugly, they just don’t take care of themselves like they should, having a healthy lifestyle aswell increases attraction
This reminds me of a time a local female redditor dmed me. We got talking after a few weeks we swap pics and she tells me I look average, 5/10 and asks me if I ever heard about "looksmaxxing". This was me after 8+ years of improving my looks like crazy (outside of surgeries) 💀
solution: understand that you are someone else’s 10/10; keep your options vast and your mind open.
and another thing, don’t think in terms of arbitrary values like this. see beauty everywhere in everything, seek it out; and seek to find understanding in the people you enjoy.
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I know for a fact that my gf is nowhere near a 2 or a 3 so I must be a 10. Sick.
Congrats! Make sure to keep spray deodorant on you in case incels bother you
i really love this comment 😭
hissing sounds "ahhhh the spray, it burns, it burns!"
Yeah, i'm an incel.
If i throe powder soap on you do you just shrivel up like a slug in salt?
Either that, or the dandruff of a male with healthy testosterone levels. Both have the same effect.
Luckily my penis is already shrivelled. No harm can be done to that smelly little grub
I know for a fact that my boyfriend is not a 9 or 10 (optically) so I guess I’m a 2…
I mean, is the pfp really you? Then yeah you might be a 10
Obviously, the graphic is false for long term relations.
I'm a female 3. I'm getting nothing.
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we struggle just like incels claim to but we're invisible to them because they don't even see us as people.
I agree with you lol, they complain no woman wants them but they only chase the woman everyone wants. Its funny.
This has always been my impression.
it's straight up projection / worse they think the fact they or other uggos would still have sex with you as a warm willing hole is suppose to be a compliment/privilege to women.
Yeah, someone willing to use you as a living fleshlight until they find someone better isn’t really a flex
It's so fucked how men have monopolized loneliness. As a woman you can't even mention on the internet that you struggle with dating without getting dogpiled and insulted.
These dudes want me to admit I have it "better" than them like their lives depend on it??? They just don't want to alter their own worldview because it would force them to change. I don't blame women or men or nb folks for not finding me attractive, I blame the fact that I allowed obesity and depression to take over.
I used to get the same shit when I was single and using Reddit to vent because nobody IRL cared either. I kept getting shit like "Well theoreticallyyyyy you could have sex with an unsafe stranger who doesn't give a single flying fuck about you at any time, so why the fuck are you sad about nobody wanting to commit to you or start a family with you? You get instant easy sex, that's like way better than an emotional connection!"
Which belies their whole worldview and shows exactly why women aren't flocking to them. Their whole mindset is gross. It's a big red flag but they blame women.
The point is you don't spew hatred for that and work on your hobbies, friendships, basically anything opposite to incels.
they act like we can't have real problems with loneliness too by virtue of being women. and that's not even restricted to incels either
Ive seen so many vids of average or below average women saying stuff like men would be ashamed of being near them and ive never seen a woman say it.
Boys used to pretend to ask my friends and I out in high school as a joke because the idea of being into us was so ridiculous it was funny to them.
In 6th grade I joined trivia team and the team captain was an 8th grader called Scooter who called me “meaty” for an entire year because I was fat and it sounds close to my name. He got the entire team to call me meaty and even the teacher in charge slipped up and called me it by accident once.
He even told his friends at other schools about me so kids at my tennis team tournaments from other schools called me it for a little bit. All because I was fat and ugly as a little 6th grader.
Had it happen to me as a guy. Its like humans suck.
Hey that happened to me too, they'd use to run up to me and rub their stuff on me and then chase each other with it like it had the plague
I'm in my late teens but boys in school and HS would not even look at me or be decent. All my "good looking" friends were getting attention and they'd in turn bully me for it. I was just a normal tomboy, almost looked like a boy. It was really horrible and yes boys do care A LOT about looks, sometimes more than girls
It's crazy how they can, in the same breath, say that women only go for the top 10 percent of men, yet also talk about overweight women as if it'd be the biggest insult to be with one.
They want the pretty women to date the overweight unkempt guys, while demonizing overweight women.
As a 3 on a good day, I am glad this chart is nowhere close to true.
Don't feel bad. The dating leagues are an absurd thing made by and for vain and superficial people.
true lol
Because this is only true for online apps like tinder where ppl match purely the physique.
But when you are dating in real life, it's different, because the other variables come in play like: your charisma, the way you talk, your confidence, your humor, your charm etc
Face, your physique alone doesn't do shit. Don't ask me how I know 😅
An attractiveness scale just can never be true, maybe people will see you higher than you see yourself, because attractiveness is super subjective and can’t be put on some objective scale.
You’re not ugly, you just aren’t your type.
“You’re not ugly, you’re just not most people’s type.”
It's a nice sentiment but if this were true why can't just anybody become a model or instagram icon? Clearly there's objective standards.
People tend to not look for supermodels when they seek a partner and people who do are mostly superficial idiots.
There are general trends of what people consider attractive or not, they just can't be simplified to the extent memes try to. At best you could claim a range of attractiveness for each person. Some people would see them as the high/low end of the range. There also other factors (outside of modeling), obviously, which are far more subjective.
It's about numbers. Conventional attraction brings in a big number of people because its generally pleasing to many, but in fact it's not really specifically pleasing for very many people.
It's kinda like the radio. They'll play popular songs because they reach the widest audiences, but a good chunk of people will hate the music for being generic and crowd-pleasing. They might prefer something much more niche, but they'll listen to their music with great enthusiasm.
Conventional attractiveness changes with time and culture. It's a society abstract concept, real attraction doesn't follow any rules. It's very individually oriented.
Conventional attraction is just what net catches the most fish possible, but no net catches all kinds of fish.
They can to varying degrees of success. There are plenty of models that I personally don't find attractive that many people do. Just because you personally don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Based on just how quickly the standards of beauty for wealthy people change, the "objective standards" are basically a collection of fashion fads at this point imo
Im kind of twink-y and have figured out that its not necessarily many womens type. They want big and strong men. But all males i talk with think im supposed to be able to get any girl since i fit their vision of beauty better - the feminine one. Im fine with it, its important to me that i think i look sexy in the mirror.
Oh-ho-hoo you are sorely mistaken my friend, I know a lot of women who would kill for a twink-y dude
Good news! Maybe i am just envious that i cant win a fight 🤣
bisexual women are who are going to be attracted to you -at least the one's that really love femininity, it's also why they end up with the best guys, men who are comfortable in their sexuality to not perform masculinity.
You’d have more luck with bisexual or pansexual woman; a lot of us are into feminine men. I have a male wife.
Of someone’s hetero, not being their own type makes sense.
Yup; kinda the point. Men and women who are straight will only see their flaws because they aren’t into the same sex. I’m pan; I sometimes look in the mirror and go “I’d fuck me” because I do find women hot. Lol
if this is how it worked we’d all be stunning by now and since the invention of photography to aid our analysis we know this not to be true, at least over the last few generations
though dropping traditional marriage structures has been a big recent change, and both men and women use contraception and are more promiscuous, so maybe there is some truth to the graph, though monogamy isn’t exactly ancient and people had crude forms of not having children in the past an infant mortality was high
I'm a 4 in my eyes but a 10 in my partner's
Attractiveness doesn’t have to be looks, especially for women. Also how you carry yourself, groom/style yourself, career, humor/compatibility, are some other things women find attractive
Yeah, this is what the concept of dating appears to those online without any idea of what reality is. Go outside and you’ll see plenty of pretty girls with men who might not be the best looking…maybe because it’s not all about looks?
Also good looking-men with women who are not considered good-looking. People fall in love & it makes sense to them as a couple even if it doesn’t make sense for this dumbass chart lol
Exactly!
And a whole lot of average girls and average guys dating each other and not stressing about their jawline or a few extra pounds.
The dating leagues are an absurd concept made by and for vain and superficial people.
People should (and do) just date whomever they want, provided that the person reciprocates.
I think looks are very important, but my idea of a 10 is another person's idea of a 3.
Leagues are based on the false concept that everyone likes the same things in the same amounts.
Exactly, me and my sister have a lot in common but there is still a LOT of moments when I find someone attractive and she doesn't or the contrary
Same here, I think the conventionally ugly people are attractive and conventionally pretty people are eh. People refuse to believe I don’t find conventionally attractive people pretty/handsome 😭
I mean…most people seem to have a very similar idea of who they find hot.
you really think the one/ones who made this have any idea of human interaction let alone dating.
I disagree with this chart. However, most people are vain and superficial, so that cannot be just discounted
a 7 man gets no dates......right.......
I feel like these people have never walked outside in a public area and, like, noticed that there are a large number of couples who are objectively not conventionally attractive.
They think the following things in response to that:
the guy must be rich or famous, so she's just gold-digging
they must've been an arranged pairing/pairing encouraged by parents
she's secretly cheating on him and is only dating him for the above reasons
he has a cuck fetish
she only settled down for a nice guy once she "hit the wall"
they must've gotten together before dating apps
i actually heard all of these examples and also " it's just a statistical anomaly " from a lot of them
I kid you not, one of the interactions I’ll never forget on this app was a guy saying that if a man is “average or below average” he has to “go above and beyond by having a good personality or a good sense of humor”. This was in response to a woman saying her boyfriend or husband is an average sized guy with an average life whom she loves because he’s a good person, and she likes his sense of humor. Like, ohhhhhh brotherrrrr get a GRIP!
Oh yeah. Having basic human decency is so totally asking for too much and "going above and beyond". /s
You’re talking about an unattractive male with an attractive woman. They were talking about a couple where both are unattractive. Which is funny, because their point is no one notices unattractive couples. And if you think about it, it’s true. Ugly people are practically invisible outside of a half second glance before most people avert their eyes to something nicer to look at, and probably not even consciously. And incels especially are too distracted by their biased narratives to pay attention to average or below average people being happy, or at least gettin’ some.
The last time myself, his best friend, and his bffs fiance (whom until this he was also close friends with,) brought that up to a mutual friend, he just rage quit and spent the next few months shit talking his bffs fiance online to his community and hundreds of random strangers online. (Hes a vtuber.) He couldnt even regurgitate any more of those baseless talking points when we pointed out to look at people in public.
So, like, 15 years ago?
well, I'm a 7 man and apparently my partner of six years isn't real because I obviously don't get dates
cap im outside ur window id say ur a 6
He fluctuates from 6-7
say that again..
please don't.
No, you aren't. FEmAlEs JusT dAte tHe ToP 20% oF aTtraCTiVe Gentlemen. /s
I'm like a 5 that cleans up to a 7. Getting dates with women I see as 10s is pretty easy, honestly. The hard part is finding the one that clicks
He gets dates, but he can't get consistent casual sex.
The maker of this chart might have something against people with glasses.
Idk why though glasses are cute
Ah yes, men are notoriously disinterested in what women look like
I think they're trying to say those ladies are only interested in 10 guy. The chart is butt ass wrong in lots of ways lol
If that was true no woman would ever date me. I mean, none have, but here's hoping.
Sums it up pretty well 😂
The issue is that the definition of a 10 is completely different from a person to another lol.
It's wrong and also like, yeah people generally prefer othe people who are a good catch. Welcome to real life
Ranking people based on appearance like this is also subjective and even situational, like one person's 1 could easily be another person's 10, so this is just dumb. My wife married me because she loves Jack Black and I have always had Jack Black energy. He's a ten to her.
Fr, I’m REALLY into “old hag” type women, just straight up conventionally ugly women, and I consider models to be anywhere from unattractive to straight up repulsive at times 😭 but no apparently this isn’t possible, everyone HAS to find conventionally attractive people attractive
It’s saying that an attractive man will have one night stands or flings with average looking women because it’s effortless sex.
Fuckin incel shit right here
Seriously, people posting this shit just telling on themselves that they don’t go outside
And it's funny how it says "in 2025" lmao. Variations on this "hypergamy" chart have been circulating online for almost 20 years it feels like
ppl dont know beauty is subjective
I hate so much rating people's look.
But I find it kind of exaggerated that those drawings should represent 1 looking people
Based on this chart.. why aren't the "1" dating each other?
I rather be single than be with someone as unattractive as me!
This is why I don't date fat girls. I'm fat.
shhhh dont think about that
Ugly people find hot people attractive. It's a feat of biology
Not really lol.
It's a good thing they labeled the y-axis twice, otherwise we wouldn't understand that it was depicting.......wait, what is the graph expressing again?
LMFAO
So many of my fine 10 out of 10 friends that are girls end up with the most mid looking man, bc as long as that man can make her laugh she’s sold tbh😭
theres a trend on tt that shows the amount of women that get with conventionally average or unnattractive guys and get their hearts treated horribly but incels close their eyes when shown proof
Incels call that phenomenon the “oofie doofie” and claim that women either cheat on them or are secretly always thinking about hot mean guys. And when proven false they close their eyes and go “lalalalala I can’t hear you!”
“Oofie doofie” holy shit I don’t think I’ve heard that in years 😭
Sorry to have reminded you (I was cursed with this knowledge only a couple weeks ago).
The real reason they don’t get any pull is because they are relentless pessimists I swear 😭
Interesting how none of the guys 7-1 are going for the 1 woman either lol
The No-Lifer Who Made This Probably Thinks It All Depends On Who Women Go For, So It Doesn't Matter Who Men Want On A Priority Basis
I've found there's sadly a lot of men who seem to think all men will literally have sex with about any woman who offers. It's like they went through puberty and literally no one in their life explained to them that they were going to have to learn some self control and to make decisions that might run contrary to their libido on a regular basis.
True, and they seem to think that’s naturally how women are as well : that they just want to sleep with men they find physically attractive (apparently without any care for personality or the odds of a long-term compatibility), so they should consider themselves very privileged to be the object of so much lust because what more could they possibly want from a man ?
This reminds me of a chart that I saw for age preference in men vs women. Women were shown to prefer men close to their age, while men across the board wanted women in their early 20's. I have experience that supports this idea, as I (23F) am regularly hit on by men older than my father.
Yep, that study was disgusting.
Also note that the youngest age was 20, so it may not even be entirely accurate (they'd go for younger).
Oh 100%. We would see a lot of 16, 17, 18 if they allowed it
I haven't ever seen a 10 in real life. Like ever.
they’re uncanny asf, consider yourself lucky.
Pretty sure this chart was made by a 1 that's convinced they're a 7.
When are male 8s dating female 2s? Feels like the opposite is true
There's quite a few accounts on Instagram and TikTok of god looking muscular men dating obese/very unattractive women and the comments are very positive towards the relationship yet the few accounts that have beautiful woken date mid looking men are full of women saying that she should leave him and date someone rich and beautiful.
I get that doubke standard. I mean if throughout history women have been treated as prizes and constantly shown to only be worthy if they're beautiful then if it's out of the ordinary then it would be praised. Meanwhile if the toxic standard is continued it'll be disliked. Also, you're just on the wrong side, to be honest. People like that tend to be horrible on other places, irl even. Ive heard more stories of men getting told to leave a woman because shes "subpar" while women are told to stay with a man no matter what because that's expected of a wife. ALSO it's rare for what you say to happen. Rare for a handsome guy to openly date a "lesser" looking girl while it's very common for a beautiful woman to date a "lesser" looking guy
We clearly live in different realities,I'll leave it at that so I don't get banned
I feel like attractive women are more likely to give 'ugly' men a chance than attracive men are to 'ugly' women.
Also, I don't trust people who quantify people's value into numbers. It's dehumanizing.
Yeah, 14-year-old had to have made this. But also probably a man who isn't very smart.
And doesn't know of any ugly women because he doesn't even register our existence. He probably thinks a 5 is a 2. We're much uglier and much more misshapen.
This is honestly why the rating system is so fucking stupid somebody's five could be somebody else's ten.
these dorks that complain about not getting dates need to focus on developing a personality and make friends with girls instead of just trying to pick up on and fuck them like andrew tate tells them to.
You would get girls as friends that ain't that hard however finding a girl who would actually be interested in you is kinda hard.
Beeing in the friend zone is not worth it. You set yourself up for humiliation and hurt
I see too many average couples for this to be a thing. Then again the creator of this meme probably doesn’t go out too too often.
This should be called “How ONLINE dating works in 2025” where all you’re judged by is your pics
IIRC the top 10% of guys get more likes than the bottom 90% combined on dating apps. So this meme is honestly mostly true in this context
Meeting online is by far the most common way for people to partner up though, unfortunately
Irl is not any different. Most have touched that app and most couples in 2025 meet online so the genie is out of box to say the least
this same chart has been a thing in incel communities for a swear a decade it is always bull
this is inaccurate :/ i prefer 3-8 men.
At a time, or like, one after another?
these ppl need to go outside
go to walmart and look at the couples
My god this subreddit has so much red pill bullshit
I'm so tired of this bullshit. Go talk to a woman, go outside for a jog and work on yourself or just own being alone for the time being, but stop being a weird incel cunt about not getting laid enough.
Poor innocent incels who get no dates just because theyre not attractive and thats the only reason. Women are truly evil for having standards that don't include them
this is out of 10, not age
well... yeah. i don't get this comment? op posted to here because it was made by a teenager who has a very shallow outlook on dating
i thought it was age for a minute or two and i thought the joke was that the standards of being a predator are getting lower every day
wait no now i'm giggling 😭 i'm going to hell for laughing at that
It probably has more to do with the artist's personality priblems than anything else
How many times have you seen a conventionally unattractive woman with a conventionally attractive man? Okay, now how many times have you seen a conventionally unattractive man with a conventionally attractive woman? There you go. That in itself is proof this chart is bullshit lol. Also rating people by numbers is so 90’s in a bad way.
I see this discourse all the time online… but whenever I look at average couples when I’m out it’s usually the woman who is more attractive. I don’t get it.
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I'm sure this makes a lot of lonely men feel better or something
I like how they act like attractiveness is some objective scientific fact that everyone knows and has a very specific rank in. Never occurs to them that one person’s 10 might be another person’s 3.
It's interesting because you judge women for not choosing unattractive men, but I don't see the 1-7 men going for the 1 women 🤷🏽♀️
This is the worst fucking American brainwashed shit I've seen in weeks. Looks are 100% subjective. Over the years the female beauty ideal has ranged from stick thin with huge breasts to Kim Kardashian and the male beauty ideal has ranged from Chris Hemsworth to Timothy Chalamet. People don't suddenly change what they like, so the beauty ideal was obviously all bullshit to begin with
these people really forgot about extremely socially awkward women w zero charisma huh
also, it's mostly the opposite. very often pretty of women date mid or ugly men. incels don't exist basically
People make memes like this but never in my life have I seen a good looking man date an unattractive woman when I’ve seen the reverse multiple times
If a 10 man is pulling 9s and 10s, what’s he doing with 4s? This shit is so fucking dumb.
Manosphere dipshits just hate that men can also be ranked by attractiveness
Most 10/10 girls I know have boyfriends that look like they escaped from a lab somewhere
Can we stop with this incel shit.
Women are way less fixated on looks than men.
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Can we stop with this bullshit, there is a reason incels are growing in numbers.
Do you live under a rock? You're gonna tell me that every guy in a relationship you've seen in public are a ten? Seriously?
Yeah, because they are being influenced by the andrew tate type shit that they watch.
Nobodies fault but their own, if they fall for that shit.
Nobody becomes incel because of watching Andrew tate. They are because they have zero success with women and personal experience. Andrew tate just tries to validate their lived experience initially and then tries to scam them with his course.
Tate solidifies their misogynist and incel views. Thar is what I meant.
Why is that a 1? People can look way worse.
The person who made this has got to be super attracted to men cause Ive only witnessed this as the opposite
Now do the same thing but "age scale" where all men including 40yo point at 20yo women
Now i feel like a 10, Thanks you guys.
Not realizing what makes a person attractive or unattractive beyond looks is what makes things like this.
The secret for having this view is to consider supermodels a 4 and put every other woman below it and only unrealistic body standards above it
I’ve seen a lot more gorgeous women with average and unattractive men than the other way round. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an attractive man with an unattractive woman, but I have seen a couple of average dudes w unattractive women.
I’ve seen boatloads of couples where I find both unattractive, and they’re together.
So what happens w gay couples 😔
What is especcially funny to me is that people who post this in serious manners also often use this okcupid graphic to back this up. But when you go deeper into these exact statistics you find some other pretty interesting graphs that just directly contradict their narrative. https://i.imgur.com/GSudEHM.png
I hate how reddit is just getting swamped with these red pill and black pill narratives that might as well could be posted by 13 year old edgy boys. They are saying stuff like "oh I never had a date, this is because females only go for chad!", but when you call women "females" and have little respect for them than yeah, you will be unattractive, congratulations. Some of these people.
A trip to a random supermarket would disprove that meme.
So many totally average men, who have kids - and hence, must have succeeded in dating not to long ago...
The same guys that complain about this, are the same guys who use “biology” to excuse shit like cheating.
Like yeah, this chart even if it was true, just represents how men and women work. Men are trying to find a mate to reproduce with, women are the ones who carry 99% of the burden when reproducing so women have to be picky and choosey about who they allow to have offspring with. So yeah, it would make sense that women refuse to settle for assholes who have such a huge ego they think they are entitled to attention from women.
Y'all have never seen Eastern European couples...
To rate everyone on a metric between 1-10 is abhorrent and arguably dehumanizing. We have lost all semblance on what it means to love people.
God have mercy on us all.
This is some incel-coded garbage
fuck number scales. it literally means nothing anymore. fuck all these victim mentalities. i'm tired of shit like this on social media. what is a 2? or a 9? anything that is meaningful. genuinely. and shit whos to say someone who is a 7 couldnt find someone who is, to everyone else, a 3, to be a 10 on THEIR scale.
my main type of guy is jason fucking voorhees. bro is deformed and i'd still kiss his algae-covered wet face. attraction is so, so subjective that this chart is entirely meaningless.
True.
does not belong in this sub
This post assumes that women aren't equality goddesses that date anyone therefore the post shall be banished to the shadow realms according to the fedora law
I definitely saw a chart like this 10 years ago. You would think that the incels would come up with new talking points once in a while.
What about yuri 😢
it’s a very debatable type of chart, yes attractive people will get more dates in general by looks , but a lot of “ugly” people in reality usually are not ugly, they just don’t take care of themselves like they should, having a healthy lifestyle aswell increases attraction, a lot of people who view themselves ugly don’t care for themselves a lot because of that kind of false shaming, behavior aswell is a big part of attraction, being negative or holding unhealthy routines can make even the most attractive people ugly on the inside, and nobody mature is just going on looks alone when it comes to dating.
This reminds me of a time a local female redditor dmed me. We got talking after a few weeks we swap pics and she tells me I look average, 5/10 and asks me if I ever heard about "looksmaxxing". This was me after 8+ years of improving my looks like crazy (outside of surgeries) 💀
solution: understand that you are someone else’s 10/10; keep your options vast and your mind open.
and another thing, don’t think in terms of arbitrary values like this. see beauty everywhere in everything, seek it out; and seek to find understanding in the people you enjoy.
don’t forget to smile :)
Statistically, women tend to date down because looks are less important to them
They date down when they want to have a serious relationship and family. There is just not enough hot guys for every hot girl
I'm certain this kind of behavior is sponsored by Big Makeup.
I've never known anyone who was "pretty" (see cosmetic ads) who wasn't a massive pile of kak.
Never made sense to go for those types, all of them were insufferable. The most attractive person I've ever known was funny and intelligent.
Having a good personality makes people pretty, I'm sure there are other takeaways, but that's mine.
Out of this entirely baffling comment, you deciding perfume ads was the best example of women wearing heavy make up is by far he most baffling.
Sorry for writing the wrong word then, and thanks for reminding me.
It wasn't the wrong word, they do wear a lot of makeup in perfume ads. It was just oddly specific and sent me down a rabbit hole I guess.
I can understand. Don't worry about it, it happens to us all from time to time, I'm just glad you helped me clarify my thoughts.