I agree. This thing of “my music is much better than yours because you have to be intelligent to get it” (extremely prevalent in prog metal fandom) is definitely fodder for this sub.
Yes, and as one of them I can confirm that Deadheads can be insufferable. This honestly reads like someone who started listening 3 months ago and has decided they are now an authority on the Dead.
By "mood and access point", I assume he means "get really high"? Because anecdotally I can confirm it's true.
Though I lean more jamgrass than traditional jam. The extensive use of banjo and mandolin adds a level of complexity the average person just can't understand. It takes someone like me, with an IQ of 175, to fully grasp and appreciate it. I wouldn't expect most people here to be able to get it, unless you are also a member of MENSA.
(or I'm a perfectly normal person that likes weed and banjos)
Three great entry points are Leftover Salmon (self-described as "polyethnic Cajun slamgrass", but are considered some of the OG jamgrass), Yonder Mountain String Band, and the Infamous Stringdusters.
The use of an r/iamverysmart post inside an r/iamverysmart thread adds a level of complexity the average person just can't understand. It takes someone like me, with an IQ, to fully grasp and appreciate the moody access points.
It’s an acquired taste. Some people like jazz, others hate it. Some people like rap, others hate it. Some people like K-pop, others hate it. Etcetera, etcetera. I don’t think this was too off base.
... or music preference is subjective and some people just think the music sucks. It's totally fine to not spend your life to trying to endure something you hate in hope it someday "clicks".
I like a lot of "Weird" music; hell, I have a collection of masks associated with Mr. Bungle, but people like this piss me off. You're allowed to enjoy and/or not enjoy whatever the hell you want. Grateful Dead's pretty good, but they're not some "ascension-provoking masters of sound" or whatever
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand The Grateful Dead. Their lyrics are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of 1960s youth moments most of the themes will go over a typical listener’s head. There's also Jerry’s hippie outlook, which is deftly woven into his persona - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Allen Ginsberg literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these lyrics, to realize that they're not just rhymes- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike the Grateful Dead truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the brilliance in Jerry’s existencial catchphrase "I will get by," which itself is a cryptic reference to Berkeley’s Irish epic Alciphron. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Garcia's genius unfolds itself in their concert halls. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a Grateful Dead tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
Agree to disagree, in general, but I get it. To be 100% fair, I put “Workingman’s Dead” into that same category as “American Beauty”. Robert Hunter and Jerry Garcia were an extraordinary team.
Very much like black licorice, you love it or not but little middle ground. Zappa on the other hand was also a fantastic musician but was a turd of a being across most boards. Yet Mothers of Invention spawned Lowell George - and the music gods smiled and said, let there be Little Feat
The jam band is a weirdly American concept, I’m not really aware of any apart from Phish and Grateful Dead and while they may have a few fans elsewhere they seem mostly for US audiences.
I find the music and the whole stoner thing around them incredibly tedious.
Working man’s dead is a great album. Black Peter and High Time are two of my favorite songs of all time. I don’t really care for any of their other albums.
I mean, I like a lot of Dead and it can be moving,.but it's not especially deep. Also, for whatever reason they decided to give everything this really trebly, tinny sound which can be really hard to listen to, especially all the guitar noodling.
I'd respect this more if they were defending something tight like workingman's dead, because it's solidly composed and has nothing extraneous. Some people just want to hear the 3:30 song but are turned off by the additional 20+ minutes of wanking.
Also, Jerry Garcia legit said "rap is not music," which is a lot stupider and more closed minded than any anti-Dead opinion I've heard.
The Dead are really difficult to get into which is why the most stoned human beings to ever wear patchouli are super into it.
I don't know if it's "iamverysmart". I think it's just snobby gatekeeping.
I think telling people they're too dumb to understand the Grateful Dead is a perfect fit for this sub.
I agree. This thing of “my music is much better than yours because you have to be intelligent to get it” (extremely prevalent in prog metal fandom) is definitely fodder for this sub.
"Too dumb" is a bit silly.
Too sober? Now we are getting somewhere lol
I think it’s boomer gatekeeping
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Aren’t Grateful Dead fans simply referred to Dead Heads?
Yes, and as one of them I can confirm that Deadheads can be insufferable. This honestly reads like someone who started listening 3 months ago and has decided they are now an authority on the Dead.
Yeah, I love the dead, but this kind of shit is why people hate them Lol
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I can comprehend "not knowing how to end a goddamn song" perfectly well, thanks.
I am very smart, and I may have overindulged in pharmaceuticals in the 1960s.
"pharmaceuticals"
By "mood and access point", I assume he means "get really high"? Because anecdotally I can confirm it's true.
Though I lean more jamgrass than traditional jam. The extensive use of banjo and mandolin adds a level of complexity the average person just can't understand. It takes someone like me, with an IQ of 175, to fully grasp and appreciate it. I wouldn't expect most people here to be able to get it, unless you are also a member of MENSA.
(or I'm a perfectly normal person that likes weed and banjos)
Imma need some recommendations for jamgrass, thank you very much
Three great entry points are Leftover Salmon (self-described as "polyethnic Cajun slamgrass", but are considered some of the OG jamgrass), Yonder Mountain String Band, and the Infamous Stringdusters.
This may or may not an /r/iamverysmart post inside a /r/iamverysmart thread.
The use of an r/iamverysmart post inside an r/iamverysmart thread adds a level of complexity the average person just can't understand. It takes someone like me, with an IQ, to fully grasp and appreciate the moody access points.
You really can't tell this is satirical?
It’s an acquired taste. Some people like jazz, others hate it. Some people like rap, others hate it. Some people like K-pop, others hate it. Etcetera, etcetera. I don’t think this was too off base.
... or music preference is subjective and some people just think the music sucks. It's totally fine to not spend your life to trying to endure something you hate in hope it someday "clicks".
There's a lot of accurate sentiment in this wrapped in a lot of arrogance
I like a lot of "Weird" music; hell, I have a collection of masks associated with Mr. Bungle, but people like this piss me off. You're allowed to enjoy and/or not enjoy whatever the hell you want. Grateful Dead's pretty good, but they're not some "ascension-provoking masters of sound" or whatever
Electric jazz for stoners, led by a guy who looked like Janitor Santa.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand The Grateful Dead. Their lyrics are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of 1960s youth moments most of the themes will go over a typical listener’s head. There's also Jerry’s hippie outlook, which is deftly woven into his persona - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Allen Ginsberg literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these lyrics, to realize that they're not just rhymes- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike the Grateful Dead truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the brilliance in Jerry’s existencial catchphrase "I will get by," which itself is a cryptic reference to Berkeley’s Irish epic Alciphron. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Garcia's genius unfolds itself in their concert halls. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a Grateful Dead tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
Yes, complex. The same cord for 3 hours is super complex.
American Beauty is a great album, but almost everything else by them is just indulgent doodling around on their instruments for way too long.
Agree to disagree, in general, but I get it. To be 100% fair, I put “Workingman’s Dead” into that same category as “American Beauty”. Robert Hunter and Jerry Garcia were an extraordinary team.
Very much like black licorice, you love it or not but little middle ground. Zappa on the other hand was also a fantastic musician but was a turd of a being across most boards. Yet Mothers of Invention spawned Lowell George - and the music gods smiled and said, let there be Little Feat
The jam band is a weirdly American concept, I’m not really aware of any apart from Phish and Grateful Dead and while they may have a few fans elsewhere they seem mostly for US audiences.
I find the music and the whole stoner thing around them incredibly tedious.
Working man’s dead is a great album. Black Peter and High Time are two of my favorite songs of all time. I don’t really care for any of their other albums.
Why does such a "sophisticated palate" require enough drugs to stun a moose?
Real life continues to outjerk the jerkers
I mean, I like a lot of Dead and it can be moving,.but it's not especially deep. Also, for whatever reason they decided to give everything this really trebly, tinny sound which can be really hard to listen to, especially all the guitar noodling.
I'd respect this more if they were defending something tight like workingman's dead, because it's solidly composed and has nothing extraneous. Some people just want to hear the 3:30 song but are turned off by the additional 20+ minutes of wanking.
Also, Jerry Garcia legit said "rap is not music," which is a lot stupider and more closed minded than any anti-Dead opinion I've heard.
A lot of the dead's catalog are just reimagined folk and blues songs.
Find them shallow and pedantic
To me they were Sesame Street music
I don't know if I've ever heard a grateful dead song. But they suck. Make sure this guy sees that.