“When we started the process … the intent at the start was to not get into any core player. It may very well end up staying that way,” he said. “But it certainly would not make any sense for Patrik (Allvin) to not listen to anybody.”
“We may end up saying no to offers, certainly, but we’re not going to say no to having conversations about any player. This is about improving this team without taking shortcuts,” Rutherford went on.
“There’s deals out there that could make our team better today, but does it work for us over a three-year period? I would like to think based on the number of young players that we have, that we’ve been able to pick up over the last few years, with high ceiling, that this rebuild can take two or three years, not six to 10.”
“If we can just keep adding to young assets, hopefully we can do this in two or three years. It’s not an easy process. We have to be very methodical,” he said. “You can’t lose patience because you’re losing some games.”
I need someone to take Petey off this team so he can go on a tear again and prove how incompetent this whole organization is
I have zero doubts he’ll pop off with a guy like Stenberg or McKenna on his wing. He’s looking solid, but his linemates (outside of like Linus Karlsson recently) have had negative ability to finish chances.
Petey’s spent most of the season stapled to Jake Debrusk who is shooting at 1.1% on 5v5. No wonder the assists aren’t coming lmao
It's a double edged sword. The guys who are scoring don't score when they play with Petey. I don't know if he's mentally going to survive the rebuild.
I agree that his linemates aren't helping, but we've seen what Petey is capable of in the past. Even rookie Petey was able to put the team on his back and just will the team to wins. All stars are capable of that occasionally, and Petey hasn't really done that this year. He's not actually a 60 point center like his points make him out to be but he's still a shell of the player who signed the deal (not for the lack of effort to be clear, he works his ass off on the ice)
As a Swede who is barely able to watch NHL games, happy to see a Canucks fan saying this this. I'm a Red Wings fan but it pains me seeing the "downfall" of EP40, I want him back in form regardless of the team he plays for.
I think effort in the season has never been the issue personally. There was a lot of smoke his off-season training wasn't good enough before last season and there probably is truth to that. His speed has taken a major hit since his injury in 2024 and he's never fully adjusted to that but he still clearly cares and tries. Hoping he can have a great showing for you guys in the Olympics and comes back with some renewed confidence!
He’s scored at a 40 goal pace in his last 20 games, which is what he was scoring at the height of his powers. He just hasn’t looked nearly as creative or flashy doing it.
Just out of curiosity, how much of his inability to "put the team on his back" is because the Canucks don't really have a 2nd or 3rd option, so opponents can just plan around shutting him down and hoping the rest of the team does pick up slack?
Also our coaching hasn’t exactly been the best for an offensive player. Petey has become exactly what he’s been coached into, a defensively responsible center
Well damn you’re really describing Rod’s dream Carolina Hurricanes player. He’s cool with the no offense part 😭
Unfortunately it does, at least in theory, work. Puck luck will get you a few goals and a strong enough defense translates that into wins. NHL is getting too good for the offensive game to really shine. Not everyone can be McDavid lol
I mean this with no shade, Canes are my #2 team right now, but I think Petey would be your best offensive player if he got traded right now. At the very least he'd be damn near close to Aho, and I'm a big Petey believer so I think he'd be better. He's getting his shot back which was his biggest regression (as in he literally didn't shoot for some reason for the longest time, even in prime chances) and a big part of his stunted point totals is his linemates just not finishing.
His 2 most common linemates at 5v5 have been Jake DeBrusk and Evander Kane who are shooting at 1.6% and 3.5% at 5v5 respectfully. Kane is just taking awful shots but Debrusk is getting really unlucky, his career average is about 9-10%. Petey has been doing great this year all things considered and a team as deep as carolina would open the ice up way more for him and the rest of the Canes I think. I don't know how you guys would make a trade work in reality, so I don't see it happening, just a pipe dream. Would be awesome to see Petey kill it with my #2 team
It does make an impact, but just watching him he's clearly not the same. He's lot a lot of footspeed since his tendinitis and hurt his rush offence a lot. I think he's probably a 80-90 point two way force which is a top 10-15 center in the league at least, but OG petey was in serious conversations of being a top 5 center.
what you’re describing is definitely happening on the powerplay, he never has enough space to use his one timer because of dmen getting into the lane. Hes able to get cross ice passes across instead but literally no one on our team can score right now
Petey has also been horribly mismanaged and I', like 90% sure he's playing through an injury TO THIS DAY, if a Petey at 60% is getting 60 points imagine what a 80% Petey will look like (the way injuries work the damage could be irreversible).
He’ll turn into 1998 Peter Forsberg.
You guys are hopelessly delusional.
hyperbole?
Welcome to Swedenheim.
Penguins should by all accounts do that trade. Unless the ask doesn’t take in account his salary.
Penguins actually make some degree of sense for a Pettersson trade. He would help them push for the playoffs for one final run with Malkin and Sid, and also be a Malkin replacement as soon as next year. I'm not familiar with their cap situation, but I'm sure they would have the space also.
Their 1st rounders are also pretty valuable, given that they aren't currently in a playoff spot.
I don’t know why he’s sucked offensively for the last 18 months, but I maintain my prediction from his second season that he will at one point win the Selke. At this point in our rebuild I’d rather it be for another team.
What’s the price? If they want a 3 year retool ghule makes more sense than reinbacher not that I’m over pleased to trade either but you gotta give to get…
By god that's kent hughes music
Do we really have faith that Pettersson will thrive in a pressure cooker like Montreal? Obviously, I can only go on what's been said publicly about him, but the impression I get from Vancouver fans/media is l that he's quiet and reserved, doesn't necessarily work that hard during the offseason, and might do better in a market where there's less scrutiny and pressure on him.
Also, 6 more years at 11.6M? You'd have to be very confident that you can fix him.
Yeeeeah I mean I was just kind of half joking to be honest, Montreal is in many ways not the Montreal of old, Vibes are immaculate and lots of guys are enjoying themselves having a new start (see Texier)
The contract honestly kind of makes it unfeasible more than anything.
Man I’m obsessed with taking a swing on Pettersson on the Blues.
No idea what it would take.
lol this is exactly where I end up every year with us and Petey. Somewhere in my comment history from last year I shared how I thought we were a dark horse for him.
Admittedly, I think we’re terrible trade partners (we’re virtually in the same place developmentally, though I like our prospect pool more than theirs) and I have no clue how you even begin to assess his value, but I’m so intrigued to take a swing. I can’t even label it as “taking a flier on him” because he costs $11+.
Like… does it start centered on Dvorsky? I’d prefer one of our wingers but I imagine they’d want a center back (and one that’s further along than a true prospect). Or does Kyrou get involved? But then again, this feels like Vancouver committing to a multiyear rebuild so that timeline doesn’t match. Salary matching and no-trade clauses further complicate things.
Huberdeau
Chevy please.
I know of a team that really enjoys their underrated Swedish centers...
They gave him 11.5mill. If there’s incompetence then he is part of it.
No denying his part in it, I maintain his fall from form is the reason for the rapid decline from the 23-24 season. But in terms of blame, I'm siding with the player who's claiming he's injured over a medical team with a history of borderline malpractice.
Would like to see the canes do it.
Having him with Aho as the 1 and 2 would be so much fun to watch.
As a big fan of chaos, I want to see him traded to Philly. Watching Tocchet finish turning a 100pt player into a 35pt defensive forward would be the most hilarious outcome.
Petey has a NMC, so this would never happen
In depth interview with Rutherford touching on many different things. - Talks about needing some veteran players around the young players: “You can’t just take a bunch of 22-year-olds and throw them to the wolves. It’s a tough, tough league.” - Admitting they don’t care about final scores now but just developing the young players: “So for the time being, it’s about watching how the players develop, not what the final score is.” - Admitting losing helps their draft position: “That’s correct. If we don’t stick to it, the rebuild process will take longer,” he said. “And get the people here what they deserve: a championship-calibre team. Our preference is to pick (in the draft) as high as we can.”
People here have been dying to hear that exact last quote about championship caliber, not just "make the playoffs".
I feel like I’m hallucinating. As a canucks fan I haven’t heard those words since Linden. I will believe it once I see it but it’s refreshing to see
Everything with this guy is pr spin, deflecting blame and acting like whatever they do is part of the plan. Wouldn't believe a word he says. Proof is when they start trading people like Garland. Otherwise rebuilding is just an excuse for failure.
not for trades tho - he just means you can call him and chat about players
"remember Joel Otto?"
"yep - he was cool"
"Haha yep"
Lyle Odelein liked to go to restaurants and bars.
Just like me! Am I basically a pro?
Firesale time
This guy (JR, not you ) is an idiot. He just re-signed a bunch of veterans and traded a Top 12 pick for Marcus Pettersson after he knew Quinn was likely to leave.
Could have got futures for Brock, Demko and had 5-6 first rounders this year.
It was a panic move for sure but if the Canucks hit the ground running under Foote, that team wouldn’t really be a news story this season.
Foote not working for this team while Chytil, Lekkerimaki, Demko, Hoglander, Forbort went out with extended injuries, and Boeser looking like he lost a major step all contribute to this team being where it’s at.
JR made the right move in the Hughes deal and it looks like he’s making the right move going forward. MPetey feels super redundant on the team now but they can maybe recoup a late first for him with his bargain contract.
Are you a Canucks fan my goat? You always talk about them like you follow them relatively closely. Or is that just hockey content creator knowledge
In one of his newer vids on YouTube u can see he talks about catching a game and he has a short snippet of him wearing a nucks jersey
With the west being so bad, this team def could have taken a run at the playoffs with a different coach and a healthy roster.
I cannot stress enough how bad Adam Foote has been though. In his 2nd ever game, he became the first coach in the post-lockout era to play 5 rookies at the same time with all less than 30 games of NHL experience. It's just been non nonsensical decision after another, while playing a system that does not work at all
Do you mean in a single shift or in a game? Because I can think of many other instances of having 5 rookies with less than 30 games of experience in a single game. If it's in a single shift...yikes...
Single shift
No one’s giving up a 1st for mpetey unfortunately
Rebuilding makes sense, but he didn’t have to go out and declare it publicly
For this market right now, this is very important to finally say the word they've been avoiding since 2014 and cost Gillis and Linden their jobs for suggesting it
Exactly. In the state that were in (and where weve been over the last year or so) he 100% needed to state it publicly.
It was very necessary, Canucks FO and ownership have the worst communication with the fans out of any team, one of the many reasons Canucks fans are insane online is because we fill in the questions we have with our own cynical answers since nobody on this team ever tells us what direction the team is going beyond "we want 2 home playoff games worth of revenue".
That makes sense, I realized Canucks fans see differently after a few replies to my initial comment
Is it the Canucks turn to draft in the top 4 five times in six years?
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Canucks need to get their shit together for no other reason than this man doesn't doesn't deserve this heartbreak.
Nobody is out-tanking the Canucks this season. They're already dead last in the league before shipping out their most valuable veterans.
We were already 32nd with Hughes, we’re beyond cooked.
And they still have room to get so much worse. Think how bad they could be if they manage to deal Sherwood, Garland and Pettersson.
they shipped out hughes so they are shooting for mckenna
Stenburg please. We love our Swedes
Yeah I was a bit worried for a minute, but I think we got more than an edge in finishing last place
FUCK!
Jets have entered the chat
Jets are back, they were never real tank contenders
I guess we’ll see. A losing streak can’t last forever!
Where's the Celebrini in the system? I'm all for optimism and I'm not tapped in like Canucks fam is, but what am I missing? What is EP40's value right now? Demko is made of glass unfortunately.
I'm not trying to be pessimistic but I don't buy that the team will turn around that quickly. Happy to be wrong out of ignorance of course but... yeah.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/635383/aiden-celebrini
/s
And then when Macklin is a free agent he can come and play with his brother for his hometown team 👀
Maybe this happens a lot on other teams too, but I always enjoy the Canucks getting the lesser brother:
Aiden Celebrini
Steve Kariya
Fedor Fedorov (who helped Bieksa make the Canucks!)
Jordan Subban
Daniel Sedin 😈
Quinn Hughes 😈
Quinn is by far the best Hughes brother
Shades of Hossa's gloves at the Montreal airport!
I think if they get Stenberg or McKenna, they could do what Montreal did where they tanked 2022, 2023, 2024, and then made playoffs in 2025.
Buium, Cootes, Ohgren, Lekkerimaki, Willander along with two more first round picks this year is a great young core. If they get a first for Sherwood, first for MPetey, third for Kane, the cupboard can get stocked pretty quick. Alexis Joseph is a huge Quebeqois center who moves really well that’s available next season if Vancouver can get him.
Of course the young guys need to develop but if they have a great young defensive core and they spam the forwards in the draft, I like the odds of them avoiding selling by 2029 (3 years).
I’m guessing their future star player will be picked in the draft this season and possibly next. They gotta make sure to get top 3 both years at least and hope to get a real gamebreaker.
Meanwhile in the system they’re probably hoping Buium, Cootes, Lekkerimaki, Pettersson 2.0, Mancini and others become the rest of the core
In the last part of the article Rutherford basically admits if they don’t tank well this season and don’t pick high the short rebuild doesn’t work lol
Rutherfords point is that (with luck) they can bottom out and draft their stars in the next 2-3 years and then look to go back on the upswing.
The team has a strong defensive pipeline. Buium, Willander and DPetey have all stuck at the NHL level this year at ages 20-21, plus Kudryavtsev, Mynio and Mancini are promising depth guys in Abby. There’s a decent amount of young supporting forwards. The team lacks true stars (outside of maybe Buium) but they’ll have a lot of solid young pieces entering their prime in 3 years, on top of any stars they draft when bottomed out.
Thanks for the breakdown - I forgot about Willander. I didn’t realize the pipeline has some potential for a decent base to build off of.
Mckenna or stenberg basically. 2-3 yeard assuminng we land 1st or 2nd overall pick.
We have good young d prospects, and effectively 3 firsts this year before we trade any of our vets(ottawas pick being confiscated makes out 2nd rd pick 32nd overall, provided we stay last).
We get another 1st for sherwood and maybe manage a 1st for someone like garland(?) Aa there arent alot of sellers and we could walk in to this draft with 4-5 1sts to kick start the rebuild
You ever exaggerated a timeline at work to get a project approved? Imo, this is that. Assuming they are serious, by year 3, it'll be we've made great strides but are 3 years away from contending.
Haha, those are the vibes I’m getting as well.
the 2-3 year timeline is also alarming to canucks fans, but hopefully what they mean is that we can build a young core in that time through the draft and the development of surrounding players can take place after that.
we already have a 1 and 2D of the future and 1G on top of our strong goalie pipeline. Most of the work has to be done upfront and filling in the gaps. hopefully we can draft several good top 5 forwards in the next few years
Who's the 1G? Demko is 30 and has a very significant injury history in recent years. I wouldn't feel comfortable banking on him being an NHL starter 3 years from now.
Medvedev should be ready by the time the rebuild is done. and honestly even if not, we have a few promising prospects who can step in while we wait for the next Demko if Medvedev doesn't pan out. The fact we plucked Tolopilo from Europe and he already looks pretty good in small stints shows how we're not desperate in that posiiton.
Vancouver and their fucking goalies man. Beyond jealous since Luongo you guys had. Luongo, Corey Schneider, Lack, Ryan Miller, Jacob Markstrom, Holtby, Demko, Lankinen, like wtf thats nearly all Veznia candidate goalies.
Hockey gods just doing a the Canucks solid after being the goalie graveyard in the '90s.
Might be premature, but Medvedev is the London Knights starter at 18 and looks like a future starter, that likely won't be until another 4 years of positive development though so very much a gamble. He's in the system already though.
IMO you sort of have to build in reverse.. spend a few years stocking the cupboards - with the kinds of players who take longer to develop, may have lower ceilings, etc - and then dip down to the bottom of the standings for 2-3 years to hopefully get those future star players (who will likely be scoring well within a couple of years, won't really get a cheap second contract, etc) and then try to maximize the opportunity created by them overperforming their ELCs.
Picking 1 or 2 overall this year will definitely help with the timeline and if they trade out someone for another 1st, they could be looking pretty I suppose. I didn’t realize the Canucks were set at a few positions already, outside of Buium.
Not sure what kind of draft capital they already have but it typically takes years for any of those picks to hit the NHL roster. I’d think a more realistic timeframe is 3-5 years for a team that’s going to consistently push for anything outside of just making it to participate in the 1st round.
You know what, I'm relieved to hear that "4 years" and "5 years" went unmentioned.
A three year plan that - whoops - stretches out into four or five years is probably enough.
Two or three years will get us a rejuvenated roster but it won't have great depth, the cupboards won't be stocked and we'll probably start in trading away futures to make the team more competitive and hamstring ourselves just like this last time (how much better would this team have looked in 2024 if Jim Benning had rode out three bad contracts and kept a top 10 pick instead of acquiring Garland and OEL, whose buyout is on the books for five more years).
SO, yeah. IMO we still need a serious rebuild and hopefully internally they know this and are doing PR that they hope will keep the season ticket holders renewing.
Unless McK/Stenburg can be that, no one
Don't overlook the value of an NHL ready D man like Verhoeff, who previously played in Victoria
Brother i want a gamebreaking forward. We have 2 great D prospects and im fine with using our other first on a D man. But no team exits a rebuild without a gamebreaking forward, and we haven’t had one in years. Not considering petey/miller that one year
Could be a scenario the Nucks pick 3rd, and McKenna and Stenberg were off the board. Wonder if they'd skip Verheoff to take one of Lawrence or Belchetz.
If we don’t pick top 2 after finally being in the basement i’m gonna do horrific things
You’re assuming their goal is the Stanley Cup but it’s really to just make the playoffs.
I'll bet they do what the Sabres did in 2015/2016.
Make a bunch of big swings on trades (ROR, E Kane, Lehner) and free agents (Okposo) to try and accelerate the rebuild instead of being patient.
What he also said, though, was that shortcuts couldn't be taken. I think what he meant was that he's hoping for it to take 2 to 3 years and not 6 to 10.
Have you checked the standings? We are getting a top 3 pick this year.
2-3 years is not a rebuild. Those elite players would essentially have to already be drafted to have a “championship calibre team” in that timespan
Ideally he’s not talking about Buium/Willander. Would like to keep Pete/Hronek. Everyone else can go
I think you can always flip acquisitions like buium if you are actually maxing out with the return. He’s not an integral part of the locker room since you just got him. But you would again have to wholly win the trade, and in the 2-3 year timeline I don’t think that’s possible. But you could definitely get another 20 year old nhl ready kid in a different position and draft picks but again, draft picks signals 5-7 years.
Kyle Davidson should drunk-dial Rutherford and offer a 2029 7th-rounder for Reichel
Completely random but I ran into Evander Kane today and he didn’t assault me and was actually nice.
This is such non-news and such classic Vancouver media, lol.
Translation: "We're not planning on it, but if a team calls and offers us the farm, we're going to at least have a conversation. We're listening to calls on all players."
To not at least listen in this period would simply be negligence.
It’s even been stretched into “we are definitely thinking about trading Petey” in a couple articles I’ve seen already it’s outrageous lol.
Yeah the article literally said “I think they are taking calls on Pettersson”.
Everyone’s taking it to mean that he’s getting traded when it’s the most nothing burger headline ever.
I really don’t think we move either Hronek or Pettersson.
Wish the team was a little more transparent so our media didn’t need to constantly make shit up and grasp at straws for clicks lol. Oh well, experience Canucks hockey
That’s most media throughout the NHL. Nobody really goes through the article they just take the headline and talk about it here. Fun speculation though
Petterson for Mailloux
you'll have to be more specific than that
Logan Mailloux*
Ah, that's all the specifics we'll need: fuck off immediately
Yeah but which Pettersson
Yes we want 1 petersson. But how bout 2nd petersson?
Either one
While in Sweden, Mailloux received a 14,300 Swedish krona fine (approximately $1,640.00 USD or $2,000.00 CAD, at the time) for secretly taking photos of a young woman while they were engaged in a sexual act. He then shared the images, and the identity of the woman, with members of his hockey team.
Yeah we’re good chief Dvorsky works tho
Welcome to the club Vancouver
Fire sale? Yikes
They were doing so well until a year ago. What the heck
This happened to the blues 3 years ago. 4 years ago they looked like the only team capable of beating the avs on their way to the cup. Next year sold off.
Petey probably needs a fresh start elsewhere, eapecially with the loss in his personal life, getting away from Vancouver just so he can refresh and restart mentally as well would be good for him and his partner.
Elias Pettersson2 for Robert Thomas and Justin Faulk
Soucy for Chytil, final offer.
honestly we'll take it
Drury wouldn’t. Chytil’s way too young for this roster, we want to get older and slower for the “culture”
At least give petey a chance with ohgren and karlsson before we get crazy
Wouldn't it be better if a more responsible GM were in charge of the retool?
People say that around here, but honestly the "around the edges" guys they've brought in have been great, and the picks they've made so far seem solid. The flubs have been existing players, and trading picks for go-for-it players. Honestly if they offload existing players for picks I'd be intrigued at what they'd do over the next few years.
As an Oilers fan, I can't help but feel there are a ton of GM's that don't belong in the NHL.
Edmonton Oilers case and point first and foremost.
I have seen a lot of bad stories come out of Vancouver throughout the past few years. The media spent the whole last season talking about the team falling apart and it made me think that the organization was slacking in leadership from top to bottom.
If I were a Nucks fan, I'd be pissed off about the decision management has made.
There are only a finite number of NHL teams and the choices in GMs should reflect that fact.
Honestly Rutherford should have been brought in by the Oilers, the around the edges guys he brought in would have solidified the Oilers. The Canucks should have brought in a future oriented guy. Just awful decisions by both ownership groups. Just remember, they're the ones that really call the shots, even if they are "hands off". They're hiring guys who's vision is the owners vision.
The owners....
My gosh.
Look at the list of GMs we've had since Katz bought the team.
It's embarassing.
It is, I was actually upset in 2022 when the Oilers signed Campbell. Mostly because I thought they should have been giving Canucks picks for Demko anyway and the Canucks should have been rebuilding around Pettersson and Hughes. Did the next couple first rounders for the Oilers amount to nothing(were they hallaway and broberg? )
sigh we got a bag of pucks for Holloway and Broberg.
I would love a HEALTHY Demko on my team.
Ripped away from the Canucks medical staff and put on Edmontons great ice (is it still great? Used to be among the leagues best) I feel confident he could have at least won you guys the cup once.
Who’s worth a look other than Petterson? I guess Demko to a team with an okay goalie as a 1B? I really like Rossi, but I wonder if he’d want to move again.
Rumors that teams are interested in DeBrusk, Garland and Höglander. All have some term attached and with the cap skyrocketing some teams are interested in the controlled cap hit.
And Kane and Sherwood are pretty much guaranteed to be sold at the deadline. In the article they also specifically mention Tyler Myers, who has a NMC but Rutherford says they’re taking calls even on players with protection. He’s a big RHD, might waive for a contender
Demko would be a tough move. He's got an $8 million AAV contract about to kick in and can't stay healthy for any period of time.
He’s basically Dallas Mavericks Anthony Davis at this point
Garland, Sherwood, Hronek, Petey, Hoglander, Karlsson, Sasson, Lankinen, MPetey, Kane are all the options I’m guessing.
Montreal would love Petey down the middle, the great deals in the org with the rising cap make the $11.6m super manageable, and having Suzuki-Pettersson down the middle would be unreal in the playoffs.
would demidov and slaf resurrect pettersson you reckon?
I’m not going to predict specific future production levels but those two would be enormous upgrades on the players he’s had on his wings this year, i can’t imagine he wouldn’t produce more than he is now
Some people are obsessed with having two different handed 1C and 2C, but I think it’s alright. Kapanen is punching above his weight at the moment, unsure if he will be able to keep up, but it’s certainly fun to watch that line.
I hope we’re doing the kind of rebuild where we’ll look to move Rossi ASAP (because 24 today will be too old to be part of our next core), and it’s not like he has trade protection - but even still I assume any player would be glad to be flipped by the worst team in the league rather than stick around for a rebuild.
I really don’t think we are going to trade Rossi. I don’t have anything to back it up but i really doubt we move him anytime soon.
I think you’re probably right, but with his age and having just picked him up (ie. no ties to the team) he’s sort of an interesting edge case for a rebuild - his next contract will almost certainly be buying UFA years and he may not even want to extend with the Canucks if they’re terrible the entire time he’s here
I think it’s just too early to be too sure. Rebuilds aren’t all bad for players. They’ll get all the ice time and opportunities they can earn.
It’ll be 2-3 years at the absolute bottom. Our younger guys will eventually force their way out of the basement and Rossi will be like 27 when he needs a new contract. It’s not like he’ll be too old for us.
Sherwood for Mangiapane and Frederic, 50% retained on Freddy
threw up in a mouth a little
Lmao
Sherwouldn't
hmm...
He's talking about being patient while in the same breathe trying to rush a "hybrid rebuild". 75 year old men and above should not be in charge of anything.
They seem to have corrected the “hybrid rebuild” talk ever since Allvin said it and got huge backlash for it. They’ve been slowly committing to admitting it’s a real rebuild and that they’re going for the high picks
ET must be having a crazy busy week
The Pettersson rumors have definitely intensified the past couple of days, the insiders are putting his name out there again and Kypreos mentioned Carolina is at the top of the list followed by Detroit and LA. Maybe something will really happen this time
ET phone
homeVancouverSo Canucks fans what’s the ask for Garland?
No idea, it’s gotta be futures based and obviously we’d want the most we can get but it’s either going to be done under time pressure (to move him before his clause kicks in) or with a list of his preferred destinations - either factor will set the market value to some extent.
I think it’s a late first and ok prospect. Theres a good chance he doesn’t get moved though.
So can we have Zeev back, then?
Sure we’ll take your unprotected 2027-2032 first round picks in return.
Fuck it, we aren’t making it that long as a society. Throw Rossi back in and you got a deal.
Gonna have to add your 2033 and 2034 picks then. I hear they’re holding the ‘34 draft in Hell
Fine, I'm planning on winning the cup all those years so I'll give you five 32oa picks.
Wild already took Hughes. Doubt they'd have enough left for Petterson without gouging the top lines.
Flames management please do the same
I’ll take one Zeev Buium please
Hronek plz
My corpse will still be waiting for Flames ownership to start the rebuild.
i would like one buium please
I'm at the point where if Petey got traded or not I'd be okay either way. Would be nice to move him and get some good pieces, but I've also been a fan of him ever since he got drafted and want to see him succeed.
That's like rolling a dumpster out at an auction house
I wouldnt touch Petterson unless they ate half the cap hit.
That’s nice, he can be dealt right now with zero retention and would get an absolute haul at 50% (not that anyone would retain that much for that long)
Petey at $5.8m AAV is extremely attractive.
Vancouver just needs to trade EP40 at 50% retained for a 1st, B level prospect and some conditionals that become another 1st, 2nd, etc if he turns it around to like 80+ points.
You get the best value for him that you can as a 60 point two way center (what he currently is). The target salary for that is like $7 mill cap hit. So get his salary down to that and they’d have plenty of suitors.
Without retention that contract is going nowhere and it gets less moveable the longer it goes on.
it's the detroit fans funny enough that are pouring water on this most on this thread wow
yeah at that point i'd rather make Petey sit through a rebuild
I mean, him staying in Vancouver is the most likely scenario with that contract. I can’t imagine fans really think he has a positive trade value at $11.6 million, do they?
eh it's 50-50 i think. on the one hand you're right that the cap hit and production is yikes. on the other hand, cap rising, center position, 100 pt seasons, and a ton of smoke recently means that it's not impossible. i don't really care either way if he gets traded or not, but if he does, it better not be some desparation move.
But if it’s a rebuild, wouldn’t you rather get as much draft capital as possible? Conditional picks cover your butt if he does in fact turn it around. Personally as a fan I don’t really care if my team retains salary, since I’m not the one that has to pay it. I get that there’s a limit on how many retention spots you get but I don’t think Vancouver has any other potential players that would need it, unless I’m wrong.
I mean yes, but that's 6M on the books till 2032 and that's 1 of 3 slots taken for 6 more years. no one would do that because more options is always better. maybe if it was closer to 2-3M, but even then it's not like he's a net negative sticking around. We still very much need centers who can support McKenna/Stenberg next year so they don't get crushed in their first year. Then in a few years when the cap has risen by a lot more and Petey's had enough losing to waive NMC, we should be able to get teams to take that cap hit a lot easier.
If we're trading out a C, I'd rather we move on from Rossi who should be a lot easier moved.
They’ve been making stupid ass Werenski trade proposals on our subreddit for like 7 years.
If Vancouver retains 50% that's a 5.8 cap hit for 6 seasons, you can't overcome that value loss (hit + replacement player salary) with anything realistically coming back in a trade, so it's more valuable to keep the player.
Looking at his contract, a lot of his pay was front loaded. If Vancouver is going into a rebuild, dead cap space to get to the floor can be helpful. I’m not sure I buy an argument that it’s better for a team to have less draft capital in a rebuild. Vancouver wouldn’t have to retain to 50% to get to positive value on his contract. Thats probably closer to 35-40%, I just think his return wouldn’t be as high.
His actual salary including signing bonus the next few years is:
2026-27: $11 million 27-28: $14.45 million 28-29: $12.25 million 29-30: $8.7 million 30-31: $8.7 million 31-32: $8.7 million
Agreed - if it's a smaller retention and adds more picks I wouldn't be mad, just saying I don't think the Canucks should be willing to carry 5.8 dead cap through the '31-'32 season, even with a complete rebuild that'd come back to bite them when (theoretically) all the tanking superstar draft picks are due for contract extensions.
I think that really depends on if you actually believe 2-3 years is a realistic timeline to be back in contention and if Petey is actually the guy to lead you to a cup.
Worst case scenario is you keep Petey who just does more of the same, 2/3 of the top 5 picks end up being just okay NHLers (not uncommon), Demko has a few healthy years, and Buium + Rossi + someone like Lekkerimaki end up being more than good enough to get you back into the same exact position you have been in the last few years.
Minnesota made the playoffs 2 of the 3 years they had almost $15m in dead cap while the salary cap was flat.
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