i dont think i agree but perhaps we just have different views
nepotism is an inevitable product of capitalism, hiphop roots are anti capitalist. Hiphop is about bringing a community together, giving a voice to the voiceless, empowerment of marginalized communities.
I think it’s particularly jarring here for two reasons: people often went to creating music because that was one of the few ways they could make money (getting that bag perspective) and that this is jarring from a perspective of stagnant art.
nepotism is unearned success and platforming. The title isn’t even their artist names, it’s just “old rapper’s kids rap.” its just 90s revival
Nepotism is an inevitable product of being human. It existed long before capitalism and to pretend otherwise is silly. Traditionally, people already just do or become whatever their parents did.
Back then, it wasn’t nepotism that you became a blacksmith because your dad was a blacksmith. That’s just what you did. Trade stayed in the family, because you could learn young.
I feel like the NBA is one of the more contemporary forms of this, where I don’t see people yelling nepo at Steph Curry just because his dad was also a basketball player. You grow up around it, you learn it faster and often better.
Nepotism is not a product of capitalism or any economic model. It's something that has always existed, under many different forms of society. The drive to boost family is human nature.
Nepotism isn't the act of unearned success. It's the act of having an advantage through family connections. Lots of nepotism results in failures, it can't only be associated with successes.
Also we've had people like Flying Lotus around the whole time.
I think C.R.E.A.M. in particular, and frankly, most of the Wu’s discography can be understood as an argument for using both hip-hop and crime as a necessary survival strategy in a world where capitalism is entrenched or otherwise inevitable. I think this is also reflected in the way they essentially ran a racket when it came to their record deal, having all of the clan be independent of the group’s deal which let them circumvent working together for other labels or on other projects.
I also think the term nepotism is overrated. Ken Griffey jr isn’t a nepo baby because his dad was also a professional baseball player, the impulse of most parents is to use the resources, skills, and knowledge they have acquired to “open doors” for their kids. There is a difference between a CEO making their unqualified kid an executive over a more qualified candidate and someone helping support their kid when they try and follow a path they have already navigated successfully themselves.
You named the single, but WU were kind of street reporting in their lyrics. They regularly had more libertarian with a black consciousness if you actually listen to individual projects from them.
That’s a bad example. Griffey Jr. had to earn his place on the team throughout his career. He was good.
How did these rappers earn the spot on this show?
The metaphorical door that is way easier to pass through when you have a famous dad in the same profession.
You’re right he had to prove himself and he did but he was also given the opportunity to do so when a lot of people are not. No one is taking away from his talent, we’re talking about opportunity.
I think your vastly overstating what being on Shady 45 means, I don’t think it’s like being in the majors at all. The Major league is the end result, that’s the goal that you want to hit. In this comparison I guess it’d be like getting a deal and putting an album out. Being on Shade 45 is like, I don’t know, being able to play in front of some scouts or something.
This isn’t some random radio show. This is a major radio show. It’s like the big leagues. Jr didnt get into the MLB just on the strength of his dad’s name. He had to go through levels. Look at his minor league stats. It wasn’t nepotism. This radio show is absolutely nepotism.
You equating a simple spot on a radio show to actually making it in a rap career is the problem here. Getting a random radio spot on shade45 is not the same as having an actual career or place in hip hop bro lol. You realize how many people you have and will never heard of have rapped on Shade45, Westwoodtv, or those 2 big NY shows I’m forgetting rn? If you REALLY wanna equate this to sports, it’s basically like being given a tryout because the GM knew your dad.
what the hell is this nonsense lol. hip hop ROOTS are not political. there is a lot of anti capitalist hip hop, but it has nothing to do with the "roots of the genre".
Public Enemy, Dead Prez, Tupac, Immortal Technique
Hiphop has always been a “creative outlet for povertal communities” in the wake of capitalism.
Public Enemy - Fight the Power
Mos Def - Mathematics, anti capitalist
NWA - Fuck the Police, anti capitalist enforcers. Law enforcement and its braiding into society through slave catchers and economic enforcers has been long ingrained and well documented
Immortal Technique - Dance with the devil, the grief and tragedies associated with living in poverty
Modern day gang and drill rap is a direct result of institutional violence and marginalization of communities. That only happens with capitalism. White flight from inner city schools leading to lower property tax in cities leading to lack of economic mobility and opportunities.
One of the most prominent conscious rap groups is literally called “the roots,” their most well known album is “things fall apart,” literally named for one of the most influential anti colonialism novels of the 20th century
Public Enemy, Dead Prez, Tupac, Immortal Technique
None of these artists were part of the "original roots" of hip hop. Granted, public enemy was early, but not an "originator". I've been listening to hip hop for 3 decades at this point. I know the history and lived some of it.
Plenty of hip hop has been political for a long time, but it started as party music. If you want to say you know the history, you need to tell it right.
The Message - Grandmaster Flash (1982)
Criminally Minded - Boogie Down Productions (1986)
hell lol James Brown - Say It Loud (I’m Black and Proud) - 1968
even proto-genres to rap are political. Blues records were infamously political. Gil Scott Heron is cited as a huge influence on the black arts movement in new york where the 80s and 90s rap emerged.
What exactly do YOU consider to be “the roots of rap” because imo you are splitting hairs. like i dont give a shit if some early djs were more “disco” oriented (rappers delight) because even disco has its political roots. Let alone afropunk and funk
Afrika Bambaata, Ultramagnetic MCs and Erik B. And Rakim and Kool G Rap are decidedly a-political. You can cherrypick all you want. The impetus of the music, generally speaking, is not political. Of course some people will do political music. But saying it's principle roots are political is wrong. Rap is not Punk.
“Some people don’t want to hear the message so you put something in there for them to dance to. They might dance 10 or 20 times and still never hear the words but then something might just grab them and they’ll hear words like ‘world's racial war’ and want to know what I'm singing about,"
““People don't want to think about religion too much, they think they're so modern with all this technology. But it’s all written in your Bibles and Holy Korans that certain things will happen at this time but you've got to look at your past to see what's happening in the present and that’s why I write certain songs
“But if you start speaking message-type songs some people don’t want to let those kinds of records go too far. I try to make records which wake up minds because it’s getting heavy out here with racism' and poverty and wars.”
Eric B and Rakim: dont sweat the technique 1992. songs like “casualty of war” (discussion of geopolitical maneuvers) or “what’s going on” (discussion of race, poverty and inner city violence)
Kool G Rap: Edge of Sanity “But everywhere I go, I get rejected; They won't hire a motherfucker with a jail record; So the least I could do, is look presentable; But I'm labelled by the city as a criminal; They won't give me no slack, jack; And I got one strike against me already because my skin is black”
These artists were political. Yes, there are artists that focused almost entirely on political rap (public enemy, krs one) but the core of quite a lot of music is in protest music. Even in music that is just party music, it is still protest music. Ask yourself why the RNB chart exists, why blues artists were never in the same conversation as white rock n roll, etc etc. IMO there is a huge political vein even in the party and block scenes if only as a rejection of conformity and celebration of black culture and recognizing black struggles
You try to frame every reference to daily life as "political" . This is not what People are talking about. Something being political means trying to present some sort of stance and try to advocate for it.
This is not what Most people do in Rap music and they still don't.
you are trying to re-write history and act like hip hop as a whole has always been anti capitalist. that is simply not the case. since very early in the genre there have been prominent anti-capitalist artists but there have been just as many if not more pro-capitalist ones.
It's funny how in the past all great artists came from a long line of people within that art - like Paganini came from a long line of violinists and studied under maestros. That's why they could reach such heights that lasted centuries.
Nowadays you have to be a down on your luck person with no family history in the field for people to take you seriously - that's why art is deterioating. A smith's son is going to be better at smithing, because of epigenetics. The people who can hold their breath the longest are tribes that have to dive for fish.
It only makes sense that we should give a chance to children of succesful and acclaimed artists - because they probably have the same genes that made their parents good in the field - and they already have a starting point and a mentor in their parents - plus the connections of their parents.
But people want a feel good American Dream rags to riches story - not art
what fucking gene is it that lets you spit lmao and where is it in method mans daughter??
the internet lets you listen to anyone you possibly could imagine, so many songs genres and artists with zero motion. people in the past listened to whoever was popping because that was the only way you could consume music, you werent going to buy a 10.99 album or lp from a no name artist and take the risk. this is why mixtape culture was so prevalent, because you would just pass it out on the street or for cheap.
all art in the past came from lineages because art has always been gatekept to the privileged, nobles would sponsor artists. Paganini had sponsors and people who financed him. His family werent master violinists.
lmao at art is dying as if oldheads havent been crying since 2006 or earlier about the fall of hiphop
There's genes that dictate sense of rhythm, pitch hearing, writing and so on.
Why do you think so many great NBA players are children of professional basketball players? Due to the gene pool, contacts, and mentoring from parents. But sports can be seen objectively - so people can't argue: "there's so many underprivilidged kids in the park that can play well - we should give them a chance at the NBA". Because they don't objectively have the skills.
Now I'm not saying Meth's daughter is some rap virtuoso - but it's not like this thread is about her signing some multi million deal just of her father's name. She got on one freestyle and here you're talking about Nepo rappers. She probably lived with hip hop since birth, surrounded by the culture and rappers/producers due to her father. Also Meth is an incredible performer - so he probably trained a lot at home.
Objectively if you are 6’7 you are going to have an easier time playing basketball than someone who is 5’7, especially in a league where the height weight and reach averages keep climbing.
There will not be a ‘meta’ where its actually better to be a midget playing basketball than to be tall. There are quite often breakout artists who dont fit the traditional musical delivery. Arhythym that is done on purpose. Tone deaf singing. Nonsensical writing. Those things are not “expressed in your genetics.” Yeah, you can have your throat shape be better suited for a specific singing style. That doesn’t mean your music style will be considered good.
Johnny Cash, Jim Morrison, Biz Markie, Lil B, Future, Carti
All of these are artists that have made gigantic waves and sparked huge musical movements (except biz markie maybe?) with “objectviely” bad musical skills, either their trained teacher informed them to give up music or culture told them to stop.
none of them are “objectively bad”in fact all are artists i like quite a lot (except carti tbqh)
they have all been criticized for atypical musical expression, which is why “objectively” is in quotes, because there is no gene to be a music hitmaker
Johnny Cash and Jim Morrison aren't "objectively" bad by any stretch of the imagination. They have more odd voices than your typical singer of their era, but so could be said about Dylan or John Lennom.
Future is a literal nepo rapper - he's a cousin of Rico Wade and grew up in the Dungeon with Outkast and the Goodie Mobb - and again, how is he "objectively" bad?
I'm just not sure what your point is. I'm not saying that there should never be a musician who doesn't come from a musical background. Even in terms of classical there's many examples were that wasn't the case.
I'm just saying that the first reaction to seeing someone's kid pursue their parent's artistic field being: "Neppo rappers" is corny as hell.
it felt like a true improvised freestyle instead of a rehearsed set of bars
with the way she kept looking down at what I am assuming is paper or a phone in front of her? I don't know where you got that.
I think she did alright. I don't really know what people were expecting but many in these comments seem to have been expecting method man and ODB bars (not sure why).
Yeahhh but I don’t think she improvised some of it felt a bit rehearsed which makes me think she coulda been better. Plus the I don’t speak French line was a bit clever but pretty corny
Something about rapper kids that I just can’t put my finger on. ODB son didn’t do half bad tho . Meth daughter gotta get more comfortable up there but she’s beautiful
YDB , it’s a different son of ODB though. He’s the one they recorded for that horrible hologram idea. He brings a lot of energy to the live shows and the other members seem to enjoy having him so I think it’s pretty cool.
They have, it’s wild cause at time’s he really is just straight up channeling his father. Check out their NPR tiny desk set to see what I mean, once he gets going you expect him to tear the studio apart lol.
That’s a different son that’s YDB who has essentially taking his father’s spot on tour. At this point, he’s probably showed up for more shows that his dad ever did lol
Oh, I didn’t realize it was a different son. Which is actually pretty impressive because that’s the second son of his that’s able to channel his dad and show a bunch of talent and it’s not some Nepo baby.
We acknowledge time and time again that hip hop especially suffers from culturally extractive appropriation. So if anyone is gonna be given the time of day, let it be the offspring of the OGs
You mean the ones without their parents' authentic, lived experiences?
The ones who only know how to rap about the expensive shit they have and how hot they think they are?
Say what you want about white people stealing the sound, but spoiled nepo rappers are doing the same thing amd they don't deserve the airspace more than a no name who struggles the way their fathers did.
I didn't mention white people or white rappers, or lived experiences
I just think that: hey letting them try what their late parents tried (in the case of the late odb) would be more in-line with the wishes of the aforementioned OGs. I think the same for nepo actors too. If they suck, they suck, and we move on
The difference in hip hop being what I mentioned about extractive cultural appropriation
i illustrate my point quite clearly so if you cannot follow the post’s logic then what I can educate you on is beyond me
sorry i dont think method man’s daughter is a good rapper or pantomiming the 90s sound is indicative of skill. There is no artistry from either of these rappers in this video, it’s circlejerk nostalgia bait and done poorly at that
Go ahead and put GFK’s kid on the mic lol
she already on the mic and killin it too ngl
Kids* his boy Sun God be spittin hard af too
That’s how we keep Wu-Tang money all up in the family.
nepo rappers
Honestly, I don't know if the nepotism label really fits rappers children, because 99% of the time their careers don't actually go anywhere lol
remember run's house jojo? diggy was alright
Nepo rappers are inevitable.
I mean, even if you’re a “hiphop is black american music period” purist, we’re 2-3 generations of blacks Americans passing down money to their kids.
That’s their lived experience.
i dont think i agree but perhaps we just have different views
nepotism is an inevitable product of capitalism, hiphop roots are anti capitalist. Hiphop is about bringing a community together, giving a voice to the voiceless, empowerment of marginalized communities.
I think it’s particularly jarring here for two reasons: people often went to creating music because that was one of the few ways they could make money (getting that bag perspective) and that this is jarring from a perspective of stagnant art.
nepotism is unearned success and platforming. The title isn’t even their artist names, it’s just “old rapper’s kids rap.” its just 90s revival
Nepotism is an inevitable product of being human. It existed long before capitalism and to pretend otherwise is silly. Traditionally, people already just do or become whatever their parents did.
Back then, it wasn’t nepotism that you became a blacksmith because your dad was a blacksmith. That’s just what you did. Trade stayed in the family, because you could learn young.
I feel like the NBA is one of the more contemporary forms of this, where I don’t see people yelling nepo at Steph Curry just because his dad was also a basketball player. You grow up around it, you learn it faster and often better.
No one calls sons of barbers that also become barbers "Nepo babies". That's not the comparison.
Before capitalism need had a feudal system. Today's nepo babies are rich people. Back then they were nobles.
Saying hip-hop’s roots are anti-capitalist is a stretch in my opinion. It was about getting a fair share of the pie, not reinventing it.
Not at all. It just got raped by capitalism early on.
Nepotism is not a product of capitalism or any economic model. It's something that has always existed, under many different forms of society. The drive to boost family is human nature.
Nepotism isn't the act of unearned success. It's the act of having an advantage through family connections. Lots of nepotism results in failures, it can't only be associated with successes.
Also we've had people like Flying Lotus around the whole time.
I think C.R.E.A.M. in particular, and frankly, most of the Wu’s discography can be understood as an argument for using both hip-hop and crime as a necessary survival strategy in a world where capitalism is entrenched or otherwise inevitable. I think this is also reflected in the way they essentially ran a racket when it came to their record deal, having all of the clan be independent of the group’s deal which let them circumvent working together for other labels or on other projects.
I also think the term nepotism is overrated. Ken Griffey jr isn’t a nepo baby because his dad was also a professional baseball player, the impulse of most parents is to use the resources, skills, and knowledge they have acquired to “open doors” for their kids. There is a difference between a CEO making their unqualified kid an executive over a more qualified candidate and someone helping support their kid when they try and follow a path they have already navigated successfully themselves.
You named the single, but WU were kind of street reporting in their lyrics. They regularly had more libertarian with a black consciousness if you actually listen to individual projects from them.
That’s a bad example. Griffey Jr. had to earn his place on the team throughout his career. He was good. How did these rappers earn the spot on this show?
His name got him in the door in the first place just like these kids
Got him through which door exactly?
The metaphorical door that is way easier to pass through when you have a famous dad in the same profession.
You’re right he had to prove himself and he did but he was also given the opportunity to do so when a lot of people are not. No one is taking away from his talent, we’re talking about opportunity.
This is different from a sports point of view. Being on shade 45 is like the major leagues. How is this comparable?
I think your vastly overstating what being on Shady 45 means, I don’t think it’s like being in the majors at all. The Major league is the end result, that’s the goal that you want to hit. In this comparison I guess it’d be like getting a deal and putting an album out. Being on Shade 45 is like, I don’t know, being able to play in front of some scouts or something.
It’s not different at all lol.
What’s not different?
The entire situation. You’re also acting like these kids are being given a rap career instead of a random 2 minute spot on a radio show
This isn’t some random radio show. This is a major radio show. It’s like the big leagues. Jr didnt get into the MLB just on the strength of his dad’s name. He had to go through levels. Look at his minor league stats. It wasn’t nepotism. This radio show is absolutely nepotism.
You equating a simple spot on a radio show to actually making it in a rap career is the problem here. Getting a random radio spot on shade45 is not the same as having an actual career or place in hip hop bro lol. You realize how many people you have and will never heard of have rapped on Shade45, Westwoodtv, or those 2 big NY shows I’m forgetting rn? If you REALLY wanna equate this to sports, it’s basically like being given a tryout because the GM knew your dad.
Nepotism famously did not occur under communist or fascist economic models 🙄
what the hell is this nonsense lol. hip hop ROOTS are not political. there is a lot of anti capitalist hip hop, but it has nothing to do with the "roots of the genre".
Public Enemy, Dead Prez, Tupac, Immortal Technique
Hiphop has always been a “creative outlet for povertal communities” in the wake of capitalism.
Public Enemy - Fight the Power
Mos Def - Mathematics, anti capitalist NWA - Fuck the Police, anti capitalist enforcers. Law enforcement and its braiding into society through slave catchers and economic enforcers has been long ingrained and well documented
Immortal Technique - Dance with the devil, the grief and tragedies associated with living in poverty
Modern day gang and drill rap is a direct result of institutional violence and marginalization of communities. That only happens with capitalism. White flight from inner city schools leading to lower property tax in cities leading to lack of economic mobility and opportunities.
One of the most prominent conscious rap groups is literally called “the roots,” their most well known album is “things fall apart,” literally named for one of the most influential anti colonialism novels of the 20th century
None of these artists were part of the "original roots" of hip hop. Granted, public enemy was early, but not an "originator". I've been listening to hip hop for 3 decades at this point. I know the history and lived some of it.
Plenty of hip hop has been political for a long time, but it started as party music. If you want to say you know the history, you need to tell it right.
The Message - Grandmaster Flash (1982) Criminally Minded - Boogie Down Productions (1986)
hell lol James Brown - Say It Loud (I’m Black and Proud) - 1968
even proto-genres to rap are political. Blues records were infamously political. Gil Scott Heron is cited as a huge influence on the black arts movement in new york where the 80s and 90s rap emerged.
What exactly do YOU consider to be “the roots of rap” because imo you are splitting hairs. like i dont give a shit if some early djs were more “disco” oriented (rappers delight) because even disco has its political roots. Let alone afropunk and funk
Political does not equal anti-capitalist.
did u read the guy above you saying explicitly “hiphop is not rooted in political” ? you did not read what i wrote
You’re probably right. I apologize. I’ll read through the thread again.
Afrika Bambaata, Ultramagnetic MCs and Erik B. And Rakim and Kool G Rap are decidedly a-political. You can cherrypick all you want. The impetus of the music, generally speaking, is not political. Of course some people will do political music. But saying it's principle roots are political is wrong. Rap is not Punk.
again this is wrong
afrika bambaatta - https://www.elsewhere.co.nz/absoluteelsewhere/3603/afrika-bambaataa-interviewed-1988-the-shape-of-things-hip-hop-and-political-to-come/
“Some people don’t want to hear the message so you put something in there for them to dance to. They might dance 10 or 20 times and still never hear the words but then something might just grab them and they’ll hear words like ‘world's racial war’ and want to know what I'm singing about,"
““People don't want to think about religion too much, they think they're so modern with all this technology. But it’s all written in your Bibles and Holy Korans that certain things will happen at this time but you've got to look at your past to see what's happening in the present and that’s why I write certain songs
“But if you start speaking message-type songs some people don’t want to let those kinds of records go too far. I try to make records which wake up minds because it’s getting heavy out here with racism' and poverty and wars.”
Eric B and Rakim: dont sweat the technique 1992. songs like “casualty of war” (discussion of geopolitical maneuvers) or “what’s going on” (discussion of race, poverty and inner city violence)
Kool G Rap: Edge of Sanity “But everywhere I go, I get rejected; They won't hire a motherfucker with a jail record; So the least I could do, is look presentable; But I'm labelled by the city as a criminal; They won't give me no slack, jack; And I got one strike against me already because my skin is black”
These artists were political. Yes, there are artists that focused almost entirely on political rap (public enemy, krs one) but the core of quite a lot of music is in protest music. Even in music that is just party music, it is still protest music. Ask yourself why the RNB chart exists, why blues artists were never in the same conversation as white rock n roll, etc etc. IMO there is a huge political vein even in the party and block scenes if only as a rejection of conformity and celebration of black culture and recognizing black struggles
You try to frame every reference to daily life as "political" . This is not what People are talking about. Something being political means trying to present some sort of stance and try to advocate for it.
This is not what Most people do in Rap music and they still don't.
you are trying to re-write history and act like hip hop as a whole has always been anti capitalist. that is simply not the case. since very early in the genre there have been prominent anti-capitalist artists but there have been just as many if not more pro-capitalist ones.
the quotes and lyrics of their songs speaks for itself, im sorry if that conflicts with your worldview
nothing you have mentioned here contradicts what I've said. that is a fact, it has nothing to do with my "worldview". (lol)
ignorance
explain why you think I'm wrong.
It’s not the 90’s dog hip hop is not anti capitalist at all, in any facet, for 25 years
not a soul said modern rap was anti capitalist but you
Nothing wrong with nepo the issue is they’re just wack asf lol
Oh my god who cares
😂😂😂
It's funny how in the past all great artists came from a long line of people within that art - like Paganini came from a long line of violinists and studied under maestros. That's why they could reach such heights that lasted centuries.
Nowadays you have to be a down on your luck person with no family history in the field for people to take you seriously - that's why art is deterioating. A smith's son is going to be better at smithing, because of epigenetics. The people who can hold their breath the longest are tribes that have to dive for fish.
It only makes sense that we should give a chance to children of succesful and acclaimed artists - because they probably have the same genes that made their parents good in the field - and they already have a starting point and a mentor in their parents - plus the connections of their parents.
But people want a feel good American Dream rags to riches story - not art
what fucking gene is it that lets you spit lmao and where is it in method mans daughter??
the internet lets you listen to anyone you possibly could imagine, so many songs genres and artists with zero motion. people in the past listened to whoever was popping because that was the only way you could consume music, you werent going to buy a 10.99 album or lp from a no name artist and take the risk. this is why mixtape culture was so prevalent, because you would just pass it out on the street or for cheap.
all art in the past came from lineages because art has always been gatekept to the privileged, nobles would sponsor artists. Paganini had sponsors and people who financed him. His family werent master violinists.
lmao at art is dying as if oldheads havent been crying since 2006 or earlier about the fall of hiphop
There's genes that dictate sense of rhythm, pitch hearing, writing and so on.
Why do you think so many great NBA players are children of professional basketball players? Due to the gene pool, contacts, and mentoring from parents. But sports can be seen objectively - so people can't argue: "there's so many underprivilidged kids in the park that can play well - we should give them a chance at the NBA". Because they don't objectively have the skills.
Now I'm not saying Meth's daughter is some rap virtuoso - but it's not like this thread is about her signing some multi million deal just of her father's name. She got on one freestyle and here you're talking about Nepo rappers. She probably lived with hip hop since birth, surrounded by the culture and rappers/producers due to her father. Also Meth is an incredible performer - so he probably trained a lot at home.
There is not though.
Objectively if you are 6’7 you are going to have an easier time playing basketball than someone who is 5’7, especially in a league where the height weight and reach averages keep climbing.
There will not be a ‘meta’ where its actually better to be a midget playing basketball than to be tall. There are quite often breakout artists who dont fit the traditional musical delivery. Arhythym that is done on purpose. Tone deaf singing. Nonsensical writing. Those things are not “expressed in your genetics.” Yeah, you can have your throat shape be better suited for a specific singing style. That doesn’t mean your music style will be considered good.
Johnny Cash, Jim Morrison, Biz Markie, Lil B, Future, Carti
All of these are artists that have made gigantic waves and sparked huge musical movements (except biz markie maybe?) with “objectviely” bad musical skills, either their trained teacher informed them to give up music or culture told them to stop.
Johnny Cash was an “objectively” bad musician?? Since when?
none of them are “objectively bad”in fact all are artists i like quite a lot (except carti tbqh)
they have all been criticized for atypical musical expression, which is why “objectively” is in quotes, because there is no gene to be a music hitmaker
Johnny Cash and Jim Morrison aren't "objectively" bad by any stretch of the imagination. They have more odd voices than your typical singer of their era, but so could be said about Dylan or John Lennom.
Future is a literal nepo rapper - he's a cousin of Rico Wade and grew up in the Dungeon with Outkast and the Goodie Mobb - and again, how is he "objectively" bad?
I'm just not sure what your point is. I'm not saying that there should never be a musician who doesn't come from a musical background. Even in terms of classical there's many examples were that wasn't the case.
I'm just saying that the first reaction to seeing someone's kid pursue their parent's artistic field being: "Neppo rappers" is corny as hell.
If they got skills who cares. Rass Kass’ offspring is bared up too
Blue Ivy and North West collab someday would bring me joy ngl
ODB’s son killed it, MM’s daughter not so much. Feel like she coulda done better
I thought she spit.. it felt like a true improvised freestyle instead of a rehearsed set of bars
with the way she kept looking down at what I am assuming is paper or a phone in front of her? I don't know where you got that.
I think she did alright. I don't really know what people were expecting but many in these comments seem to have been expecting method man and ODB bars (not sure why).
Yeahhh but I don’t think she improvised some of it felt a bit rehearsed which makes me think she coulda been better. Plus the I don’t speak French line was a bit clever but pretty corny
I still enjoyed it personally.
I’m also a fan of corny puns like that, and she had a bunch of good one liners, even if they were a bit choppy with the delivery.
yeah she dont know how to flow, very choppy.
Feels like she is really going off the top of her head, while he's just reciting a verse.
Nah. It was written. She’s just nervous or just hasn’t developed a flow yet
Something about rapper kids that I just can’t put my finger on. ODB son didn’t do half bad tho . Meth daughter gotta get more comfortable up there but she’s beautiful
Chris rivers is really good . Hes Big puns son.
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YDB , it’s a different son of ODB though. He’s the one they recorded for that horrible hologram idea. He brings a lot of energy to the live shows and the other members seem to enjoy having him so I think it’s pretty cool.
This is true, the interviewer always mentioned hes pun son but pun was shitty to him
I’ve heard of him, I would say proofs son is good too
What's his name?
NASAAN
I feel like Wu-Tang has had ODB’s kid on stage with them before. I if I remember correctly, he’s actually pretty good.
They have, it’s wild cause at time’s he really is just straight up channeling his father. Check out their NPR tiny desk set to see what I mean, once he gets going you expect him to tear the studio apart lol.
That’s a different son that’s YDB who has essentially taking his father’s spot on tour. At this point, he’s probably showed up for more shows that his dad ever did lol
Dang, that’s my mistake then. They all look so much like ODB, hard to tell.
Yeah, they all look like him but in different ways.
Oh, I didn’t realize it was a different son. Which is actually pretty impressive because that’s the second son of his that’s able to channel his dad and show a bunch of talent and it’s not some Nepo baby.
Yeah that’s YDB a different son.
Yeah YDB opened for Ghost, GZA, and Raekwon on the Ironman/ Liquid Swords/ OB4CL tour a couple years ago. I caught it in Buffalo.
Ras Kass' kids from Coast Contra are probably my favorite rapper kids. Chris Rivers is a great rapper too but I've never liked any of his albums.
I didn't even know the coast Contra kids where his haha they dope
Lol yeah two of them. Not the Spanish one and not the one with the crazy Busta-like flow.
Wu Tang is for their children
Except Ghostface’s
That i don’t speak French line Is actually hard 👌🏾
It’s tired lol
Pinky Fat Fat has her fathers flow but not the confidence.
Dirty’s kid started off weak but got into his pocket.
Imagine if them two and Infinite Coles linked for an EP with old Wu Tang/ solo album beats 👀
I think they both did pretty good.
We acknowledge time and time again that hip hop especially suffers from culturally extractive appropriation. So if anyone is gonna be given the time of day, let it be the offspring of the OGs
You mean the ones without their parents' authentic, lived experiences?
The ones who only know how to rap about the expensive shit they have and how hot they think they are?
Say what you want about white people stealing the sound, but spoiled nepo rappers are doing the same thing amd they don't deserve the airspace more than a no name who struggles the way their fathers did.
I didn't mention white people or white rappers, or lived experiences
I just think that: hey letting them try what their late parents tried (in the case of the late odb) would be more in-line with the wishes of the aforementioned OGs. I think the same for nepo actors too. If they suck, they suck, and we move on
The difference in hip hop being what I mentioned about extractive cultural appropriation
2nd Generation was/is still a thing https://2ndgenerationwu.com/
I wonder if they’re close with Infinite Cole. I can’t imagine Ghost brought them around to the family cookouts.
She lacks conviction, she couldn't fuckin sell it, listen up you might learn somethin
Trash
So like... whats Young Dirty Bastard's plan with his stage name? Once he hit 40s, will he change his name to ODB, or ODB II?
Very mid, but YDB sounded more natural. If they're pursuing a rap career, they need years of work.
i illustrate my point quite clearly so if you cannot follow the post’s logic then what I can educate you on is beyond me
sorry i dont think method man’s daughter is a good rapper or pantomiming the 90s sound is indicative of skill. There is no artistry from either of these rappers in this video, it’s circlejerk nostalgia bait and done poorly at that
Method Man's daughter is on the wrong mic
they inherited their moms talent
Reading from a pre-writ set of verses.
No freestyle, no respect.
Anyone can read a script and staple some half ass flow to it.
Everyone has been doing that forever. Method Man himself spit something as he read off of his phone on Funk Flex or something.
ur wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5egwRoiFe4