Give it time. Something will happen. And there will be more than just a special guest or 2. I can think of 3 no brainers. Billy, sturgill, trey. It will be a one off that will eventually spawn a summer tour. 2027. We all know it!!
Jerry's 70th birthday party at TRI studios with all the guest stars was incredible. If you haven't seen this on DVD yet, now is a good time to watch it. Hopefully this is where the music continues to go
And tickets will be overpriced. No biggie. I was lucky enough to see JGB & The Grateful Dead from @1982-1995. Thanks for the adventurous learning experience!
And after that he said "and We've got our work cut out for us tonight" that show wasn't even sold out then the news broke thousands showed up they opened the back doors
Bobby supported building Terrapin Station Museum in San Francisco after Jerry died in 1995. A place for Grateful Dead history & culture to live on & grow. He still wanted it to happen in the end - even after he was gone.
I remember well when that happened. I saw Bobby & the Midnights in 82 & 84, multiple ratdog shows in 96,97, 98, 99, 2000, and random shows thereafter. Then came furthur. That was the best until it wasn't - Bobby's shoulder and associated meds/alcohol & John's either on or off playing. Backed away with d&c and wolf Bros until the sphere (4/25) & 3 symphony shows (Chicago being my last). I feel like I got to say goodbye.
I loved Ratdog. Further was a bit more meh to me, and Wolf Bros and D&C had very little interest for me. For me Bobby will live on through the Dead, Ratdog, and Bobby and the Midnights. I think I've only listened to my Further concerts a couple times but Ratdog, Dead and Jerry's bands are still played a lot
For sure! I won a daily on 30 days of dead back ~13 and they sent me the poster. A rare furthur s>f, China>rider & h>s>f all in one show.
I saw 2.9.2010 & 2.10.2010. The 10th was so coherent that it was almost like one long song (in a good way), and the setlist was also amazing. We got in fairly early and watched Bob spend so so much time dialing his sound in. Seemed like 20-30 min of a Bobby-only soundcheck.
Same here, lived just north of it. For real
the Hampton Beach strip was a trip growing up. Learning that’s were Bobby first played after Jerry was a surprise.
Yep, that and he dedicated Knockin for him that night too. The shoutout during Throwing Stones was really touching. I was seeing Ratdog a lot back then.
I saw the last shows on tour and we all hoped Jerry would take a break and not play to many JGB shows. We knew he was going to rehab. When he passed, I had stayed up all night in Memphis and the rumors were just starting to leak when I got tired. Those were the days that a lot of “Jerry died” rumors were going around. I woke up to a ton of pages and missed calls. I cried for Jerry. The nurse said that he snored so loudly that they had to give him his own room away from everyone and when they stopped hearing him snore, they went and checked on him.
Phil and Bobby both lived a long, full life. I’m just now starting to realize how young Jerry was and how badly he looked.
I don’t mean to squeeze you man, but you’re NOW just realizing how young Jerry was and how old he looked? In all the final photos we have of him, he’s 52. He turned 53 9 days before he died.
But he looks 80+ when he died. He was AWFUL.
Maybe this is part of what killed him - people adulating and worshipping him so much they literally couldn’t see his decay before their eyes.
Watch the Scarlet Begonias from Albany 95. It’s embarrassing - not only can he not play the song, physically, on guitar but some verses he’s not even singing into the mic. He is so drugged out he just sings into open space, looking down and away. It’s horrifying.
No, I mean, I’m almost the same age as he was when he died. Back then everyone looked old, yeah he looked old but this isn’t some bolt out of the blue that just hit me. I’ve thought about this a long time, I just got around to typing it out.
I don’t know why you’re busting my balls. Yeah, I saw him nodding out and waking up when he hit his head on the mic or coming out with his hair net on because he was freebasing during set break.
I saw him from 91-95. I was thankful just to hear him play. I wasn’t saying it was a great situation but damn dude, he did look 80 and now that I’m 48 and he was 52 the last time I saw him, it just puts it into perspective.
You seem to have some underlying issues that you need to work through. I wasn’t a spinner, I wasn’t forever on tour. I never expected to see them live. If he would have taken 5-10 years off so he just passed, not Bobby, I would have been fine. I’m just saying when you realize that you are almost the same age as he was and I still get carded at bars and shit, it shows how much he let himself go. I don’t know how old you are but at the time, everyone over 30 looked old and 50+ was ancient and he didn’t look like a healthy 50. It’s a perception thing, and like I said, it’s not like this is just occurring to me today. I’ve been well aware for a while now.
Still, for not wanting to “press me” you sure came at me sideways. Maybe you need to cry it out over Bobby or you still haven’t accepted Jerry’s death. I’m not the bad guy here, man.
I’m with you. When I realized Bobby was only 41 at the Crimson, White & Indigo show that I saw in high school I couldn’t believe it. I thought they were so old.
I’ve got no issues man and like I said, I wasn’t trying to make you feel bad, but to hear someone say that they’re just realizing now how bad Jerry was, that’s shocking to read.
You’re older than me - I never got to see Jerry. But I am a recovering opiate addict like him, and it makes me angry to watch those videos from 94-95 because it’s rather disgraceful that they let their friend kill himself on stage that way. I know I know, the whole hippie ethos of non-interference…. But damn.
It just gets me worked up because this was entirely preventable and we should have had him for a long time. And I’m sorry, my text did come across more pointed than I meant, but it very much read to me as “wow I never knew Jerry was that bad” and that’s where my ire came from.
You’re lucky you got to see him. I’m just too young (39).
Watch the Scarlet Begonias from Albany 95. It’s embarrassing - not only can he not play the song, physically, on guitar but some verses he’s not even singing into the mic. He is so drugged out he just sings into open space, looking down and away. It’s horrifying. And people still cheered. Unreal.
I was at this show and cheered. i just watched the Scarlet from this show and cheered. I am not sure what you are on about, but Jer played that song well, his fingers were snappy, his pull offs and bends on point, his staccato picking is syncopated like it should be and he lead and nailed the transition into Fire flawlessly. Yes there was one verse he flubbed and like all musicians do pulled back from the mic until the words came back to him, and?
I don’t mean to squeeze you man but Scarlet starts at 52m38s, go ahead and timestamp for us where ‘not only can he not play the song, physically, on guitar’ happens, and also where you were so horrified he was so drugged out he is ‘singing into open space’. I’ve seen Jerry at some lows, this Scarlet from Albany 95 is definitely not one of them. Like wut?
My experience was different. We weren’t surprised at all when Jerry died. At the start of every summer tour after 1991 he was noticeably worse and grew worse as each summer dragged on. The Dead Org failed him on every level. They emotionally blackmailed him to get him to tour with them for the money. Go check out the difference in his playing between the Dead & JGB during the 90s. The difference is night & day. He was alert and playing consistently good during the JGB tours until 94 when his health really tanked. Another thing I remember is it was obvious the Dead weren’t getting along the last 2 years. Phil & Jerry with Bob over him hijacking sets and also with each other bc of Jerry’s spiraling drug abuse. Go read about Jerry messing with them during sound checks & all the passive aggressive sh*t he was doing bc of how miserable he was.
This morning I found the Ratdog show I saw in 2001 in Birmingham. Wound up listening to the entire show, just finished. It was a magical night for me and somehow 25 years later, it helped me be a little less sad. More proof that good music can make sad times better. RIP Bobby.
Was there. Such a heavy vibe that is etched in my then 17 yr old brain. If I recall correctly I think tickets for fall tour were supposed to go on sale that day. I have memories of drinking beers andsmoking spliffs in the woods of my hometown the night before, making plans to go to probably Filene’s at the mall in Salem, nh early to get in line, and then waking up to the news. I used to have tapes i recorded of 100.7 coverage all afternoon withpeople calling in crying their eyes out making requests, sharing stories, then rolledup to Hampton, where it seemed like every head in New England had descended too.
I saw Ratdog w The Band opening for them the day before, 8-8-95 in NYC, Summer Stage. It's a sweet outdoor GA venue in the middle of Central Park. It was spectacular perfect day with blue skies and not too hot for Summer in the city.
I remember the whole time noticing how super serene and peaceful it all was, noone trying to break in or jump the entrance, a real problem in the 90's. It was like the first few minutes of one of those disaster movies where everything is so calm and dreamlike (with noone having any idea it's all about the change) and laughter everywhere.
It has nothing to do with the hippie thing. You say you were an addict, don’t you think that people wanted you to stop? Of course they wanted him to stop, but you know that the person has to want to stop. So, do you shut the whole thing down and stop all of those people’s health insurance, paychecks, etc and then watch him go on tour with JGB?
There is just only so much they could have done until Jerry wanted to do it.
This is correct; I was @ Summer Stage in Central Park on 8/8 for Rat Dog. Then next morning… I believe this the news wires right around 11:30 EDT. The Wall St guys who had news feeds started the calls in NYC.
Would be amazing to see John, Oteil, Jay, Jeff and Micky put something together for Bob. Possibly with a special guest or 2
Give it time. Something will happen. And there will be more than just a special guest or 2. I can think of 3 no brainers. Billy, sturgill, trey. It will be a one off that will eventually spawn a summer tour. 2027. We all know it!!
Bob Weir was good friends and collaborated with a TON of different musicians over the years, quite a wide range of people. I bet it will happen.
Deads dead tour
Jerry's 70th birthday party at TRI studios with all the guest stars was incredible. If you haven't seen this on DVD yet, now is a good time to watch it. Hopefully this is where the music continues to go
I was at his 50th in Irvine! Great JGB night.
Me too! That was so much fun. Miss those days.
I hope John keeps it going. It’s Uncle John’s band now
The money printer will continue
Read the room
And tickets will be overpriced. No biggie. I was lucky enough to see JGB & The Grateful Dead from @1982-1995. Thanks for the adventurous learning experience!
oh my god you people can never be happy
Both things are true here lmao
And after that he said "and We've got our work cut out for us tonight" that show wasn't even sold out then the news broke thousands showed up they opened the back doors
I was there, outside in the crowd…
Now I’ve got to go back and listen to that show.
Bobby supported building Terrapin Station Museum in San Francisco after Jerry died in 1995. A place for Grateful Dead history & culture to live on & grow. He still wanted it to happen in the end - even after he was gone.
I hope they just call it Terrapin Station
I remember well when that happened. I saw Bobby & the Midnights in 82 & 84, multiple ratdog shows in 96,97, 98, 99, 2000, and random shows thereafter. Then came furthur. That was the best until it wasn't - Bobby's shoulder and associated meds/alcohol & John's either on or off playing. Backed away with d&c and wolf Bros until the sphere (4/25) & 3 symphony shows (Chicago being my last). I feel like I got to say goodbye.
Peace & Love to all,
I loved Ratdog. Further was a bit more meh to me, and Wolf Bros and D&C had very little interest for me. For me Bobby will live on through the Dead, Ratdog, and Bobby and the Midnights. I think I've only listened to my Further concerts a couple times but Ratdog, Dead and Jerry's bands are still played a lot
Check out Furthur 03/03/10. You'll think the set list is your imagination
Just turned this on based on your recommendation
Just wait for Bobby's voice in I know you rider. Sometimes I listen to yhe audience version because it sounds like a 2000 person harmony
"Well the suns, gonna shine MY BACK DOOR someday!"
It will give me goosebumps forever.
Tyrone Biggums: scratches “MMMM CAN I GET SUMMADAT FURTHUR SET LIST YALL SMOKIN ON?”
For sure! I won a daily on 30 days of dead back ~13 and they sent me the poster. A rare furthur s>f, China>rider & h>s>f all in one show.
I saw 2.9.2010 & 2.10.2010. The 10th was so coherent that it was almost like one long song (in a good way), and the setlist was also amazing. We got in fairly early and watched Bob spend so so much time dialing his sound in. Seemed like 20-30 min of a Bobby-only soundcheck.
I grew up spending my summers in Hampton beach. I had no idea Bobby played the Casino.
Same here, lived just north of it. For real the Hampton Beach strip was a trip growing up. Learning that’s were Bobby first played after Jerry was a surprise.
“Papa’s gone, we are it we are on our own”
Yep, that and he dedicated Knockin for him that night too. The shoutout during Throwing Stones was really touching. I was seeing Ratdog a lot back then.
I saw the last shows on tour and we all hoped Jerry would take a break and not play to many JGB shows. We knew he was going to rehab. When he passed, I had stayed up all night in Memphis and the rumors were just starting to leak when I got tired. Those were the days that a lot of “Jerry died” rumors were going around. I woke up to a ton of pages and missed calls. I cried for Jerry. The nurse said that he snored so loudly that they had to give him his own room away from everyone and when they stopped hearing him snore, they went and checked on him.
Phil and Bobby both lived a long, full life. I’m just now starting to realize how young Jerry was and how badly he looked.
May the Four winds blow you safely home, Bobby
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I don’t mean to squeeze you man, but you’re NOW just realizing how young Jerry was and how old he looked? In all the final photos we have of him, he’s 52. He turned 53 9 days before he died.
But he looks 80+ when he died. He was AWFUL.
Maybe this is part of what killed him - people adulating and worshipping him so much they literally couldn’t see his decay before their eyes.
Watch the Scarlet Begonias from Albany 95. It’s embarrassing - not only can he not play the song, physically, on guitar but some verses he’s not even singing into the mic. He is so drugged out he just sings into open space, looking down and away. It’s horrifying.
And people still cheered. Unreal.
No, I mean, I’m almost the same age as he was when he died. Back then everyone looked old, yeah he looked old but this isn’t some bolt out of the blue that just hit me. I’ve thought about this a long time, I just got around to typing it out.
I don’t know why you’re busting my balls. Yeah, I saw him nodding out and waking up when he hit his head on the mic or coming out with his hair net on because he was freebasing during set break.
I saw him from 91-95. I was thankful just to hear him play. I wasn’t saying it was a great situation but damn dude, he did look 80 and now that I’m 48 and he was 52 the last time I saw him, it just puts it into perspective.
You seem to have some underlying issues that you need to work through. I wasn’t a spinner, I wasn’t forever on tour. I never expected to see them live. If he would have taken 5-10 years off so he just passed, not Bobby, I would have been fine. I’m just saying when you realize that you are almost the same age as he was and I still get carded at bars and shit, it shows how much he let himself go. I don’t know how old you are but at the time, everyone over 30 looked old and 50+ was ancient and he didn’t look like a healthy 50. It’s a perception thing, and like I said, it’s not like this is just occurring to me today. I’ve been well aware for a while now.
Still, for not wanting to “press me” you sure came at me sideways. Maybe you need to cry it out over Bobby or you still haven’t accepted Jerry’s death. I’m not the bad guy here, man.
I’m with you. When I realized Bobby was only 41 at the Crimson, White & Indigo show that I saw in high school I couldn’t believe it. I thought they were so old.
I’ve got no issues man and like I said, I wasn’t trying to make you feel bad, but to hear someone say that they’re just realizing now how bad Jerry was, that’s shocking to read.
You’re older than me - I never got to see Jerry. But I am a recovering opiate addict like him, and it makes me angry to watch those videos from 94-95 because it’s rather disgraceful that they let their friend kill himself on stage that way. I know I know, the whole hippie ethos of non-interference…. But damn.
It just gets me worked up because this was entirely preventable and we should have had him for a long time. And I’m sorry, my text did come across more pointed than I meant, but it very much read to me as “wow I never knew Jerry was that bad” and that’s where my ire came from.
You’re lucky you got to see him. I’m just too young (39).
I was at this show and cheered. i just watched the Scarlet from this show and cheered. I am not sure what you are on about, but Jer played that song well, his fingers were snappy, his pull offs and bends on point, his staccato picking is syncopated like it should be and he lead and nailed the transition into Fire flawlessly. Yes there was one verse he flubbed and like all musicians do pulled back from the mic until the words came back to him, and?
https://youtu.be/cClVltrcWG8?si=J2LUjHI82ggJb6lQ
I don’t mean to squeeze you man but Scarlet starts at 52m38s, go ahead and timestamp for us where ‘not only can he not play the song, physically, on guitar’ happens, and also where you were so horrified he was so drugged out he is ‘singing into open space’. I’ve seen Jerry at some lows, this Scarlet from Albany 95 is definitely not one of them. Like wut?
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My experience was different. We weren’t surprised at all when Jerry died. At the start of every summer tour after 1991 he was noticeably worse and grew worse as each summer dragged on. The Dead Org failed him on every level. They emotionally blackmailed him to get him to tour with them for the money. Go check out the difference in his playing between the Dead & JGB during the 90s. The difference is night & day. He was alert and playing consistently good during the JGB tours until 94 when his health really tanked. Another thing I remember is it was obvious the Dead weren’t getting along the last 2 years. Phil & Jerry with Bob over him hijacking sets and also with each other bc of Jerry’s spiraling drug abuse. Go read about Jerry messing with them during sound checks & all the passive aggressive sh*t he was doing bc of how miserable he was.
I remember that!
Bomb’s away
I love that he opened with that track. One of my favorite solo Bobby songs. His self-titled solo album is criminally underrated
I have this on CD and pull it out every once in a while. Not the best Ratdog show by far but it hits the emotional notes hard
I was there.
This morning I found the Ratdog show I saw in 2001 in Birmingham. Wound up listening to the entire show, just finished. It was a magical night for me and somehow 25 years later, it helped me be a little less sad. More proof that good music can make sad times better. RIP Bobby.
I saw Ratdog a few days later at Constitution Hall in DC. I’ve never cried so much at a concert. Blackbird and Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door slayed me.
Thank you
I was there! Hampton Beach, NH 🙏🏼⚡️❤️
It was a great show
I had a nice time listening to this show last night. This might not be Ratdog’s best show but it is an important one in the legend of Bob Weir.
The big migration to SF is happening. Wonder if something is coming up this weekend? It’s a three day weekend with MLK day on Monday.
Was there. Such a heavy vibe that is etched in my then 17 yr old brain. If I recall correctly I think tickets for fall tour were supposed to go on sale that day. I have memories of drinking beers andsmoking spliffs in the woods of my hometown the night before, making plans to go to probably Filene’s at the mall in Salem, nh early to get in line, and then waking up to the news. I used to have tapes i recorded of 100.7 coverage all afternoon withpeople calling in crying their eyes out making requests, sharing stories, then rolledup to Hampton, where it seemed like every head in New England had descended too.
I saw Ratdog w The Band opening for them the day before, 8-8-95 in NYC, Summer Stage. It's a sweet outdoor GA venue in the middle of Central Park. It was spectacular perfect day with blue skies and not too hot for Summer in the city.
I remember the whole time noticing how super serene and peaceful it all was, noone trying to break in or jump the entrance, a real problem in the 90's. It was like the first few minutes of one of those disaster movies where everything is so calm and dreamlike (with noone having any idea it's all about the change) and laughter everywhere.
THANK YOU BOBBY
It has nothing to do with the hippie thing. You say you were an addict, don’t you think that people wanted you to stop? Of course they wanted him to stop, but you know that the person has to want to stop. So, do you shut the whole thing down and stop all of those people’s health insurance, paychecks, etc and then watch him go on tour with JGB?
There is just only so much they could have done until Jerry wanted to do it.
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No, Summer stage was 8/8.
Jerry died on 8/9 where Ratdog played that night in Hampton Beach NH.
Ratdog 1995 setlists
This is correct; I was @ Summer Stage in Central Park on 8/8 for Rat Dog. Then next morning… I believe this the news wires right around 11:30 EDT. The Wall St guys who had news feeds started the calls in NYC.
the cash grab will endure
Virginia beach right? I had that tape with the crowd singing not fade away