i was told going into this that your brain has to be on its A-game going in so i made sure to clip a ton of spots that i felt may be important. the following is what i’ve gathered from the book on my first read before claw

the picture of the knight is 100% an astronaut. it’s described perfectly as such. i didn’t notice it until i went back and read a maybe important part i had clipped right after that which brings me to my next thing

the paintings that all contain a book i feel are important in some way. i want to know why they all had a book even if barely seen. i want to know why it was told to us.

though malrubius is dead, he’s dreamt about often. seemingly twice in the book unless i missed a time. i don’t know what the significance of this is.

i don’t know what the torturer secret he learned before he left was. completely lost on that one

i think his dreams about the giant women and others is important but im not sure to what.

the segment of father inire’s mirrors are introducing the idea of faster than light travel. maybe teleportation of sorts. i also think it has to do with time travel though i’m not sure. this brings me to my next point

the jungle garden i think is a projection or a “portal” to a past time. i believe that because of what seemed to be a regular human plane flying outside. the story being told in there has to be in direct relation to father inire’s demonstration.

all of the rooms in the botanical garden have something strange about them. seemingly to do with, again, father inire’s talk on mirrors. i say this because the garden’s entire building is made of glass.

the hand severian touched underwater that began pulling him was for us being resurrected as she was touched. she pulled him up. that’s the cause of her amnesia. (i have a smaller theory that he was pulled into a mirror dimension/world only because of the wording that the hand was pulling him “down”)

the claw also is what resurrected him after being killed by the avern in his duel. he couldn’t remember anything shortly after waking up for some time which may support dorcus’s case. i believe she has amnesia because she’s been dead for a long time. but i think she can’t even remember getting out of the water because of the memory issues with being resurrected.

the castle that appeared in front of severian an dorcus was a space ship? i think maybe a building rose and took off using teleportation ir faster than light travel because it was described to have leaped into that air and disappear with sparks.

it’s hard to tell if technology like this is being used at this point in time. in one case the “building” being described in the end of the chapter did not at all to severian and dorcus seem in the usual or something they had seen before. on the other hand severian will talk about “fliers” flying ahead like it’s something seen every day. i imagine these are similar. it’s hard to tell

there seems to be a theme of one person or a selective group of people seeing things while others don’t. it’s hard to tell but examples would be malrubius appearing a couple times without being seen by anyone but severian, inside the jungle hut, one or two of the men inside could see severian and agia but the woman could not, triskele appearing, and finally the building/ship at the end of the second last chapter of the book. it seems nobody else saw it. now, many of these could be dreams such as malrubius and i triskele’d appearance towards the end. i think those were dreams. the others i wouldn’t be as sure?

that’s what i’ve gathered from book one and im quite excited to start the next book. if there’s anything i should know going into the next book, please let me know :)

  • Just keep reading. You're not being graded.

  • “This seems important but I’m not sure why”

    You can carry that idea with you through pretty much everything you read in this series

  • Good on you for putting in the work!

    At the same time, I think it's best to just read the first five books for pleasure the first time around. The important stuff that comes later will make a lot of this note taking seem like a waste of effort. Better to enjoy the books for pleasure the first time around, then be more of a scholar on the second through tenth readings. Getting through Urth will show you what the real themes were all along, and you can keep that in mind when rereading. You only get one chance to read these books with fresh eyes.

    I didn't take notes, but I did turn page corners on stuff that was confusing or seemed important, it was fun to reread and see what I had flagged the first time through. I know a lot of people don't like doing that to their books though.

  • You're mostly good, and where you're wrong I think you'll pick that uphill by yourself. Yes, there's a blend of old and new technology.

    Regarding the building, though, go back and read the description of the Pelerine's tent. Wolfe is very particular about telling us that it's made from silk and has flammable straw inside. What old-timey technology used big silk bags and burning straw — think about the Wizard of Oz.

    Finally, Severian will tell you the torturer's secret himself. You haven't missed it. He's just teasing you.

    Are you implying the Pelerines' tent is a hot air balloon? Because if so, I very much disagree. If not, I have no clue what you ARE implying lol

    What would happen to the Pelerines' silk cathedral if all the straw on the floor was set on fire?

    It’s not exactly a hot air balloon, but that’s extremely close!

    Read Chapter III of Claw.

    I understand what really happened, I'm just confused what the connection is with Wizard of Oz then

    Be departed in a hot air balloon.

    In the book, Oz is surrounded by an impenetrable desert. You can only get there from here by flight. Hot air balloon, tornado, etc.

    Okay, that's very interesting but once again, where is the connection? Because Severian doesn't get transported to a new world during this event, no one does. And there's nobody in the Pelerines' tent, its simply rising on fire. I'm asking for connections, I'm aware of the Wizard of Oz.

    Other than "They both float when fire's put to them," what is the connection or significance with Wizard of Oz? Because to me it still seems like an extremely tenuous, unnecessary connection, especially since there is a clear message already attached to the Pelerines' Tent. (That of the pancreator's hand being visible in the world and the three meanings of everything.)

    No particular connection other than a silk bag full of hot air rising.

    That's enough now, don't you think?

  • Honestly very good for a first read. I'll say though, in my opinion you want to plan to read the books at least twice, so I wouldn't stress TOO much about decrypting everything on first pass. The stories work just as well as an enjoyable picaresque novel even if most of the occulted stuff is missing you.

    This is what I was going to say, they got a LOT of things right, I was totally clueless about half of this stuff until second read through 😀

  • Just enjoy it. I get tired of seeing Wolfe's work approached as if it is a puzzle to be solved. It isn't. But it is good to pay close attention.

  • A lake of black water sure looks like a mirror, doesn't it....

  • Stop reading; the butler did it.

  • I think the bar for entry in the new sun universe and Wolfe overall isn’t as high as people believe and the best course of action on first read is just to enjoy the ride. Certainly you’ll have a number of questions after you finish, and rereads will answer many of them. Some, unfortunately, are simply unanswerable and force thoughtful readers to speculate.

  • What are you're thoughts on Hethor?

    i think he’s odd. i feel like he either knows something significant about severian or thinks he does. im not sure what’s going on with him yet!