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Ros playing along with it is a classic “Fight, flight, or fawn” moment. It is less risky to just play along with it. Someone mentioned she’s already under little finger’s protection, but with Tyrion first playing along and seeming
Edit: show Tyrion at least, I haven’t read the books
Cersei was looking for "Tyrion's whore" - not a specific woman. Tyrion was clever enough to obscure Shane's identity because he cared for her, but unfortunately didn't include to worry about the random northern whore he'd bedded during their time at Winterfell who he'd once given a pretty necklace to as a gift for services rendered and who, unbeknownst to Tyrion had brought herself down to King's Landing and was still wearing that oh-so-recognisable pendant
Ros would have been accused of laying with Tyrion only, which duh, of course she had. Tyrion could not deny that he'd porked her, because he had, and with the evidence hanging around her pretty neck it was probably a damn sight easier to go with it than go "ha you got the wrong girl sis" because A: Cersei would have continued hunting for Shae and B: it enabled him to stroke a dubious bargain to protect Ros - he would make sure that whatever happened to her would happen to Joff too. Naturally this is a very dangerous game for him to play with Cersei and so better to play with the girl he cared less about than the one who mattered
I would also suspect Varys had a hand in the proceedings, he would have known Tyrion wanted Shae protected and being the master of finding stuff out Cersei would have undoubtedly tapped him to find the girl rather than dirtying her own hands. So Varys offers a suitable girl that fulfills the requirements so that he maintains his position of usefulness to the Queen without raising suspicions that he wasn't completely loyal
What could Ros have said/done to convince Cersi that she wasn't - it's not like she could pull up her insta or OF and say 'yah but at these times when Tyrion was with Shae I was with Tim by the river, and when Tyrion was with Shae that other time I was making a timestamped vid riding three guys on the other side of KL so it couldn't be me!'
It's not like Ros could take it to court or have a jury of her peers fairly evaluate evidence as to if she was Tyrion's whore
It's her word against Cersi's - that's it, if Cersi thinks she's right then nothing will change her mind and we do later see that Cersi isn't above torturing people to force them to give the right answers - so maybe it's easier (read: less likely to be tortured) if she doesn't say anything/agrees
Sometimes I think some fans forget ASOIAF/GoT is set in a pseudo-medieval-fantasy world with the medieval bit being important - 2026 sensibilities and laws don't apply to characters in ASOIAF because they wouldn't occur to them or they wouldn't work
The necklace, but as for why Ros went along with it instead of telling the truth I have no idea. It's not like she had anything to gain by going along with it, or anything to lose by telling the truth.
This scene did always confuse me, and surprise surprise, it's because they changed it from the books. In the books, Tyrion responds to Cersei's threat by doing a reciprocal threat, to have Tommen beaten and raped if the girl was. He didn't just tell the truth because he wanted to "speak in his father's voice."
I think the show was trying to set up that Ros was actually a good person. In a later interaction with Shae it's shown that she has a concern for Sansa's wellbeing.
I think they're talking about when Cercei said she found the prostitute Tyrion had been sleeping with. Ros played along iirc. I THINK because she was under Little Finger's protection at the time?
Cersei thought Ros was Shae because Ros wore a Lannister lion pendant, a gift from Tyrion from their time in the North, leading Cersei to believe she was Tyrion's secret lover.
It makes a lot more sense in the books. In the books Tyrion goes to a brothel owned by Chataya. In the brothel there is a room with a secret passage that leads out of the brothel. He uses the passage to visit Shae in a house he has set up for her. Everytime he goes to the room he takes the whore Alaylala, who just sits in the room and reads while Tyrion visits shae. Cersei has her spies and thinks that Alaylala is the one Tyrion cares about because he goes to see her so often.
Cersei then captures Alaylala and she is the one smart enough to play along with it for Tyrion. Ros isn’t in the books.
If I remember correctly, Ros was in winterfell when king Robert and cersei came to collect Ned. Tyrion was fucking Ros at the whore house along with other women of course. They make reference to it when Tyrion leaves and gives Theon a coin for a toss with Ros.
Cersei knows that Tyrion brought a whore from to the castle so I'm assuming she saw Ros and recognized her from their trip to winterfell. As for Ros, Cersei wasn't wrong. Ros had been one of Tyrion whores and Cersei also isn't the kind of woman you refuse especially when there is some truth to what she was saying
Cersei did not know who Tyrion cared for just that it was someone. It isn't explained who 'blew Ros in' (I would suspect Littlefinger, then Varys) but Cersei was satisfied believing she was right.
Ros went along with it because she was smart, politically.
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Ros was given tyrion's Lannister necklace and she knows Ros is a whore.
She put two and two together and got 4. Unfortunately the correct answer was 3
Also as for why ros went along with it, what exactly did you think she could say that could convince a Cersei who was confident she was correct
Cersei doesn't think Ros is Shae. Cersei thinks Ros is someone Tyrion cares about and hurting her will hurt Tyrion. And she's right, to an extent.
As tywin once said cersei is not as smart as she thinks she is
And he was proven correct right to the end.
He was proven correct the movement neds head left his body
I mean if i were Tyrion, id certainly care about Ros in that situation. And to be honestly Shae seems like a step down from Ros to me.
Ros playing along with it is a classic “Fight, flight, or fawn” moment. It is less risky to just play along with it. Someone mentioned she’s already under little finger’s protection, but with Tyrion first playing along and seeming
Edit: show Tyrion at least, I haven’t read the books
Cersei was looking for "Tyrion's whore" - not a specific woman. Tyrion was clever enough to obscure Shane's identity because he cared for her, but unfortunately didn't include to worry about the random northern whore he'd bedded during their time at Winterfell who he'd once given a pretty necklace to as a gift for services rendered and who, unbeknownst to Tyrion had brought herself down to King's Landing and was still wearing that oh-so-recognisable pendant
Ros would have been accused of laying with Tyrion only, which duh, of course she had. Tyrion could not deny that he'd porked her, because he had, and with the evidence hanging around her pretty neck it was probably a damn sight easier to go with it than go "ha you got the wrong girl sis" because A: Cersei would have continued hunting for Shae and B: it enabled him to stroke a dubious bargain to protect Ros - he would make sure that whatever happened to her would happen to Joff too. Naturally this is a very dangerous game for him to play with Cersei and so better to play with the girl he cared less about than the one who mattered
I would also suspect Varys had a hand in the proceedings, he would have known Tyrion wanted Shae protected and being the master of finding stuff out Cersei would have undoubtedly tapped him to find the girl rather than dirtying her own hands. So Varys offers a suitable girl that fulfills the requirements so that he maintains his position of usefulness to the Queen without raising suspicions that he wasn't completely loyal
Ros would be stupid not to go along with it
If she doesn’t, she’ll be off handedly murdered to prove a point. By going along with it at least her safety is assured while Tyrion plays ball
What could Ros have said/done to convince Cersi that she wasn't - it's not like she could pull up her insta or OF and say 'yah but at these times when Tyrion was with Shae I was with Tim by the river, and when Tyrion was with Shae that other time I was making a timestamped vid riding three guys on the other side of KL so it couldn't be me!'
It's not like Ros could take it to court or have a jury of her peers fairly evaluate evidence as to if she was Tyrion's whore
It's her word against Cersi's - that's it, if Cersi thinks she's right then nothing will change her mind and we do later see that Cersi isn't above torturing people to force them to give the right answers - so maybe it's easier (read: less likely to be tortured) if she doesn't say anything/agrees
Sometimes I think some fans forget ASOIAF/GoT is set in a pseudo-medieval-fantasy world with the medieval bit being important - 2026 sensibilities and laws don't apply to characters in ASOIAF because they wouldn't occur to them or they wouldn't work
The necklace, but as for why Ros went along with it instead of telling the truth I have no idea. It's not like she had anything to gain by going along with it, or anything to lose by telling the truth.
This scene did always confuse me, and surprise surprise, it's because they changed it from the books. In the books, Tyrion responds to Cersei's threat by doing a reciprocal threat, to have Tommen beaten and raped if the girl was. He didn't just tell the truth because he wanted to "speak in his father's voice."
I think the show was trying to set up that Ros was actually a good person. In a later interaction with Shae it's shown that she has a concern for Sansa's wellbeing.
Wait I'm confused, when did Cersei think Ros was Shae? I don't remember that happening at all
I think they're talking about when Cercei said she found the prostitute Tyrion had been sleeping with. Ros played along iirc. I THINK because she was under Little Finger's protection at the time?
For reference, Season 2 episode 8
Media literacy is not strong with this one.
Season 2? 🫠🤣
Cersei thought Ros was Shae because Ros wore a Lannister lion pendant, a gift from Tyrion from their time in the North, leading Cersei to believe she was Tyrion's secret lover.
It makes a lot more sense in the books. In the books Tyrion goes to a brothel owned by Chataya. In the brothel there is a room with a secret passage that leads out of the brothel. He uses the passage to visit Shae in a house he has set up for her. Everytime he goes to the room he takes the whore Alaylala, who just sits in the room and reads while Tyrion visits shae. Cersei has her spies and thinks that Alaylala is the one Tyrion cares about because he goes to see her so often.
Cersei then captures Alaylala and she is the one smart enough to play along with it for Tyrion. Ros isn’t in the books.
If I remember correctly, Ros was in winterfell when king Robert and cersei came to collect Ned. Tyrion was fucking Ros at the whore house along with other women of course. They make reference to it when Tyrion leaves and gives Theon a coin for a toss with Ros.
Cersei knows that Tyrion brought a whore from to the castle so I'm assuming she saw Ros and recognized her from their trip to winterfell. As for Ros, Cersei wasn't wrong. Ros had been one of Tyrion whores and Cersei also isn't the kind of woman you refuse especially when there is some truth to what she was saying
At least that was my take.
Cersei did not know who Tyrion cared for just that it was someone. It isn't explained who 'blew Ros in' (I would suspect Littlefinger, then Varys) but Cersei was satisfied believing she was right.
Ros went along with it because she was smart, politically.
Politically? Lmao. You can just end it at “smart.”