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If Robert were alive during this, Joffrey wouldn't even think of doing something like this. The boy is a sociopath, yes, but he is a sociopath who seeks his father's (not 'uncle-father') approval, probably the only person he holds in high regard.
Addition for the actual answer: Robert would be known as a kinslayer after that day, though if somehow Joffrey convinces his father that Ned is actually a traitor, maybe he could gain the approval he has always sought, but it's really a reach.
Ned is just an incredible idiot for not telling him the truth. Robert deserved the truth. Robert had blood children and brothers to whom he could have handed over the power with a light heart, having avenged his murderers. Ned took that away from him, became the cause of his death, his family's death, and the war.
Didn’t Robert know all his children were bastards at the end? There was talk that eluded to this on one of the scenes after his death that had Cersi on screen.
If he knew he would have had Cersei, Jamie, and all three kids executed. It was understood that they were both stepping out of the marriage, and that he had bastards, but not that the kids weren't his.
Did Robert think she was stepping out of the marriage? As far as I understood, she wasn't banging anybody other than Jaime until after Robert died and her affair with Jaime was kept under wraps for obvious reasons.
You're absolutely right. Because I Can Only Imagine Bobby B would not execute Joffrey at cerceis request so he would send him to the wall and let somebody else do it.
I genuinely don't think robert would be able to be reasoned with. Especially on if similar events played out, ned confronting cersei about the incest, it becoming public knowledge, then joffery having ned killed. It doesn't take a lot for the man to see the worst in others he'd probably assume it's all true and have cersei and her kids offed
Theres simply no way anyone can answer the question unless theres some sort of explanation given by op for how we got to this situation in the first place. Its not a simple "what if tywin was there"
But the question does not make sense. Robert was King, his spoken word was the law. There is no way his son could have decided to kill Ned while Robert was alive.
The question makes no sense in the context that Robert is alive and ruling. Try actually thinking about the question before posing it, or defending it, whatever you're doing here.
Yes, but not everything has to be so literal. Hypothetical questions are a thing. And if you don’t care about any of this, I would recommend muting the sub.
It's a literal question with parameters that make no sense in context. How do you answer the question if you can't explain why Joffrey is ruling when Robert's alive? I recommend that you kick rocks.
No one claimed it was deep. It's A follows B follows C. Jeffrey can't be king, pronounce executions, or even imprison Ned, if Robert is alive. So either the question doesn't make sense and there's no point in asking it, or you explain how Joffrey rules, while Robert lives. The onus is not on the person being asked, to guess, or infer on intimate the reasoning of the person asking the question. You must ask a lot of dumb questions, or have a very weak grasp of communication to be defending something so inane.
Does Robert know that joffery is illegitimate in this scenario? That would change the reaction greatly I think. Say Robert didn't die but was in a coma and joffery was acting as king because ned was accused of treason. If Robert knew of the children's real father, every lannister is on the chopping block. Children or not, I think that's who Robert is at the end of the day. If he still believes joffery to be his, I think he beats him fierce and then sends him to the wall. This would open a huge can of worms with tywin but I don't think it ends well for the Lannisters considering the crowns forces and the norths forces would be united
And the Stormlands, even if Renly doesn’t personally feel involved there’s no way he doesn’t go to war to eliminate the people supposedly in front of him in the line of succession
And with Stannis set tripping, there's no way the Lannksters would stand a chance. Stannis would probably burn Casterly Rock with the damn gold in it just on principle lmao
I don’t think he will chop off every Lannister head. Dude is not the mad king.
Cersei’s and Jaime’s heads, along with their children, yes. Probably Tywin since he would definitely rebel. But rest of the lannisters would be spared .
Flat-out kill the bastard with his bare hands, and sent Cersei packing to Casterly Rock, with Tywin not being too worked up about the incident but still having Robert killed anyway because family name, blah blah blah, Cersei’s his daughter, blah blah blah
If by “he” you mean “Stannis and Melissandre”, I could kinda sorta see it
If memory serves, Stannis admitted to never really caring for Robert or vice versa so probably a shadow baby or two to even the score, for lack of better words
I think Robert would have named Stannis his Heir , sent the combined armies of Westeros to Casterly rock and signed the death warrant for all of Lannisters and their sworn swords. Stannis would burn the rock and the Lannister army to death and installed Sandor as the new warden of the west.
Nonsensical question - for Robert to have a reaction he'd need to be aware of why Ned is on trial in the first place, in which case he'd have already had Joffrey executed, removing any chance of him being able to make the decision.
Do you mean Robert is looking down from heaven? Or he is secretly alive, we need more context because Robert wouldn't allow Ned to die and if it happened and he wasn't aware, we'll I need to know how and what is the reason to why he isn't aware of what is going on in his city.
If Robert had remained alive but had to abdicate the throne and Joffrey were left in charge and Ned had been sentenced to any fate other than being removed as Hand of the King Bed would’ve come out of retirement and all the Lannister’s would’ve felt the meaning behind Ours is The fury
Joffery (someone who Robert doesn't seem to like much) kills Robert's guy he was raised with in foster, war brother, best friend, brother to the woman he still deeply loves, and is the beloved leader of the Northern warrior hords?
Robert would beat the kid to death, realize it was maybe a bad political decision, and cover it up... probably poorly.
Well, he'd probably hand off the coverup to someone else, but it would probably be an open secret. I doubt Robert wouldn't talk about it when drunk. "I killed that little bastard, and I'd do it again. Have you ever throttled a kid to death? I'll tell you it isn't as satisfying as you'd think, the bards dont sing about that. They just die too fast."
Robert would’ve probably snapped Joffrey’s neck. Or beat him until there was nothing left. Cersei would probably be restrained as well and hit once as well.
Robert gets known as a kinslayer but he won’t care. He’ll mourn Ned Stark and send his remains and his daughters back to Winterfell.
It might actually wake Robert the fuck up and realize how much of a failure he has become. Then he might take an interest in Tommen and Myrcella.
If he was able to get to Joffrey immediately after finding out or seeing, he would barbarically kill him like he did Rhaeger. If enough time passed and others (like Cersei) had the chance to reason with him, he might barely give Joffrey the option to be exiled to the wall. And if he refused then execution
It never would’ve happened if Robert was still alive. But if it somehow had, Joffrey would be in serious trouble. Robert would’ve beaten nearly to death, or maybe even killed him. Robert never cared much for Joffrey, and he has other heirs. But he did care about Ned a lot. No way he would let his death slide.
Joffrey would have never been allowed to go through with it if Robert had been alive. Even the bitch (cercei) was shocked when Joffrey said what he did.
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If he beat him over killing a kitten I can't imagine he would have been as tame with killing Ned
I don't think he would have stopped.
“I have other heirs” is a real calculus in his position
He would have knocked the fuck out of him I fear
Why do you fear? Joffrey is a cunt!
Flair checks out
To shreds you say?
And what of his wife Cersei?
To shreds you say.
If Robert were alive during this, Joffrey wouldn't even think of doing something like this. The boy is a sociopath, yes, but he is a sociopath who seeks his father's (not 'uncle-father') approval, probably the only person he holds in high regard.
Addition for the actual answer: Robert would be known as a kinslayer after that day, though if somehow Joffrey convinces his father that Ned is actually a traitor, maybe he could gain the approval he has always sought, but it's really a reach.
He isn't sociopath, he is a psychopath.
Yeah! Leave us sociopaths out of this. We ain't hurting anyone.
Anyone but ourselves.
I think he might actually have killed Joffrey over the loss of his friend Robert
He had a spare.
A spare that was universally acknowledged as better than
was he at the time? i dint remember an references to that
I think a turd was universally recognized to be a better heir than Joffrey.
As spare who was better in every conceivable way
He’ll find another
It would have been somewhere between sent to the wall and smashing his head with a hammer.
And Cersei in the process
I know he loved Ned but do you think he’d feel the same if Ned told him all his children were illegitimate? Man had a temper.
He would've thanked Ned, made sure he'd be his Hand, and then kill both Joffrey and Cersei with his bare hands.
Why do you think she had Robert killed? She was afraid of what he'd do.
Yeah. Robert trusts Ned with all his heart, more than he does his brothers. He would probably not even bother with his proofs.
Ned is just an incredible idiot for not telling him the truth. Robert deserved the truth. Robert had blood children and brothers to whom he could have handed over the power with a light heart, having avenged his murderers. Ned took that away from him, became the cause of his death, his family's death, and the war.
Didn’t Robert know all his children were bastards at the end? There was talk that eluded to this on one of the scenes after his death that had Cersi on screen.
If he knew he would have had Cersei, Jamie, and all three kids executed. It was understood that they were both stepping out of the marriage, and that he had bastards, but not that the kids weren't his.
Yeah, he would have wrecked shop if he knew
Did Robert think she was stepping out of the marriage? As far as I understood, she wasn't banging anybody other than Jaime until after Robert died and her affair with Jaime was kept under wraps for obvious reasons.
Alluded*
😂😂ugh ty
Na he couldn't have. Hed have had to send him to the wall.
If Joffrey somehow had Ned killed when Robert was still King I genuinely think Bobby B might’ve ganked his own son for killing his best friend
3 things could happen.
At the wall with NED’s son and brother. He’d fallen off the wall one day.
You're absolutely right. Because I Can Only Imagine Bobby B would not execute Joffrey at cerceis request so he would send him to the wall and let somebody else do it.
I genuinely don't think robert would be able to be reasoned with. Especially on if similar events played out, ned confronting cersei about the incest, it becoming public knowledge, then joffery having ned killed. It doesn't take a lot for the man to see the worst in others he'd probably assume it's all true and have cersei and her kids offed
He’d have the whole Lannister bloodline deleted.
Or he’d have an accident on the way to wall. Either way Joffrey dies.
Somewhere in an alternate reality this happened and everyone got to see it and I'm so jealous of them
Jon would've decapitated him on his arrival
If Robert was still alive there would not be such thing as a 'Joffreys decision'.
Well, yeah, but what if?
Probably would have beaten him bloody.
That's not the question posed here.
Theres simply no way anyone can answer the question unless theres some sort of explanation given by op for how we got to this situation in the first place. Its not a simple "what if tywin was there"
Robert comes down with a serious illness and is pressured to relinquish power, choses Joffrey to act in his place to keep the Lannisters out.
or,
He gets reserected by the lord of light for some reason after the event.
Just a hypothetical doesn't need to be that serious
"Ser Gregor, see the King to bed, he's had too much wine"
But the question does not make sense. Robert was King, his spoken word was the law. There is no way his son could have decided to kill Ned while Robert was alive.
If Robert rose from the dead, it would be solely to beat Joffrey to death for doing this, only to then dying again.
This is the one clear line Robert followed. Ned is his best friend. Ned wouldn't die while Robert is alive.
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It is though. Joffrey has zero say if Robert is still alive.
Hell I mean Robert being alive prevents this entire situation altogether
And that's the answer you get
The question makes no sense in the context that Robert is alive and ruling. Try actually thinking about the question before posing it, or defending it, whatever you're doing here.
Chill out, dude. Not everything has to be so serious. Haven’t you ever played ‘Would You Rather’?
This is nothing like would you rather, as for chilling I don't care about any of this, it's a stupid question.
Yes, but not everything has to be so literal. Hypothetical questions are a thing. And if you don’t care about any of this, I would recommend muting the sub.
It's a literal question with parameters that make no sense in context. How do you answer the question if you can't explain why Joffrey is ruling when Robert's alive? I recommend that you kick rocks.
It’s just a hypothetical question, friend. It’s not that deep, I promise.
No one claimed it was deep. It's A follows B follows C. Jeffrey can't be king, pronounce executions, or even imprison Ned, if Robert is alive. So either the question doesn't make sense and there's no point in asking it, or you explain how Joffrey rules, while Robert lives. The onus is not on the person being asked, to guess, or infer on intimate the reasoning of the person asking the question. You must ask a lot of dumb questions, or have a very weak grasp of communication to be defending something so inane.
My goodness. I cannot with you anymore 😂
Have a lovely day/night.
Same way he did over Jeoffery killing the pregnant cat
Except he probably ends up beating him to death
I don't have an issue with that
Does Robert know that joffery is illegitimate in this scenario? That would change the reaction greatly I think. Say Robert didn't die but was in a coma and joffery was acting as king because ned was accused of treason. If Robert knew of the children's real father, every lannister is on the chopping block. Children or not, I think that's who Robert is at the end of the day. If he still believes joffery to be his, I think he beats him fierce and then sends him to the wall. This would open a huge can of worms with tywin but I don't think it ends well for the Lannisters considering the crowns forces and the norths forces would be united
And the Stormlands, even if Renly doesn’t personally feel involved there’s no way he doesn’t go to war to eliminate the people supposedly in front of him in the line of succession
And with Stannis set tripping, there's no way the Lannksters would stand a chance. Stannis would probably burn Casterly Rock with the damn gold in it just on principle lmao
I mean, the Brotherhood Without Banners sold Gendry; I think Melisandre could convince him to use the gold for the Lord of Light
Honestly fair, you go girl
I don’t think he will chop off every Lannister head. Dude is not the mad king.
Cersei’s and Jaime’s heads, along with their children, yes. Probably Tywin since he would definitely rebel. But rest of the lannisters would be spared .
Beat the shit out of him. Maybe send him to the wall
Beat him, then send him to the Wall and hang him with common criminals when he inevitably pussies out
Why not both?
Joffrey would never have been able to kill him if Robert was alive….
Would never have happened. Where do you imagine Joffrey gets the power to make these choices if Bobby was on the throne.
Impossible to answer as simply wouldn’t happen.
Flat-out kill the bastard with his bare hands, and sent Cersei packing to Casterly Rock, with Tywin not being too worked up about the incident but still having Robert killed anyway because family name, blah blah blah, Cersei’s his daughter, blah blah blah
He’d burn the rock to the ground with every Lannister in it while rains of castamere played.
If by “he” you mean “Stannis and Melissandre”, I could kinda sorta see it
If memory serves, Stannis admitted to never really caring for Robert or vice versa so probably a shadow baby or two to even the score, for lack of better words
I think Robert would have named Stannis his Heir , sent the combined armies of Westeros to Casterly rock and signed the death warrant for all of Lannisters and their sworn swords. Stannis would burn the rock and the Lannister army to death and installed Sandor as the new warden of the west.
He'd of beat the shit out of him and probably wouldn't stop until Cersei put a knife in his back.
I can almost visualise the exact scene.
He whould of spanked him
He'd show him who the Demon of the Trident truly is, Cersei would try to contest and she'd find out too.
Is this in the scenario where G is king and Robert is still alive or what? Cause if Robert is still King, it wouldn't happen.
Nonsensical question - for Robert to have a reaction he'd need to be aware of why Ned is on trial in the first place, in which case he'd have already had Joffrey executed, removing any chance of him being able to make the decision.
Do you mean Robert is looking down from heaven? Or he is secretly alive, we need more context because Robert wouldn't allow Ned to die and if it happened and he wasn't aware, we'll I need to know how and what is the reason to why he isn't aware of what is going on in his city.
there wouldn’t have been a “joffreys decision” if Robert was alive Joffrey wouldn’t be king
He’d have Joffrey’s head sent to winterfell.
Wouldn’t have let him
As about as well as you’d expect
If Robert had remained alive but had to abdicate the throne and Joffrey were left in charge and Ned had been sentenced to any fate other than being removed as Hand of the King Bed would’ve come out of retirement and all the Lannister’s would’ve felt the meaning behind Ours is The fury
He almost killed Jeoffrey over a cat, if Robert knew about this he'd turn the little brat into mincemeat
Joffrey dies in a less painful way then he actually did. So really Robert would be showing him Mercy
Like, his ghost?
It wouldn't have even been a decision, if Robert had been alive.
Joffery (someone who Robert doesn't seem to like much) kills Robert's guy he was raised with in foster, war brother, best friend, brother to the woman he still deeply loves, and is the beloved leader of the Northern warrior hords?
Robert would beat the kid to death, realize it was maybe a bad political decision, and cover it up... probably poorly.
Well, he'd probably hand off the coverup to someone else, but it would probably be an open secret. I doubt Robert wouldn't talk about it when drunk. "I killed that little bastard, and I'd do it again. Have you ever throttled a kid to death? I'll tell you it isn't as satisfying as you'd think, the bards dont sing about that. They just die too fast."
I was more focused on the absurd notion that Robert was oblivious to the fact that these bleach blonde children running around were not his.
He was his best and only friend
Robert would’ve probably snapped Joffrey’s neck. Or beat him until there was nothing left. Cersei would probably be restrained as well and hit once as well.
Robert gets known as a kinslayer but he won’t care. He’ll mourn Ned Stark and send his remains and his daughters back to Winterfell.
It might actually wake Robert the fuck up and realize how much of a failure he has become. Then he might take an interest in Tommen and Myrcella.
Well until Stannis shows up.
Shot him in the face
He'd have laid very still and decomposed, on account of being dead at the time.
All these 'What if' scenario questions tend to be pretty empty at the best of times.
What would the domestically violent old king have done if his son ordered his best friend's death? Does this even merit asking the question?
Stop this madness in the name of your king!
Approval. Robert would have been nothing but disgusted at Ned's treachery.
If Robert is alive, Joffrey has no power.
If he was able to get to Joffrey immediately after finding out or seeing, he would barbarically kill him like he did Rhaeger. If enough time passed and others (like Cersei) had the chance to reason with him, he might barely give Joffrey the option to be exiled to the wall. And if he refused then execution
Assuming he was alive at this stage he would probably know about what Jaime and Cercie was up and would have probably killed his whole family.
Would’ve strangled the little twerp.
He wouldn't have reacted. If he was still alive, Joffrey wouldn't have been making decisions.
Rage first. Regret second. A very dead king third.
He would’ve roared I said SEND HIM TO THE WALL then personally sent Joffrey flying instead.
It never would’ve happened if Robert was still alive. But if it somehow had, Joffrey would be in serious trouble. Robert would’ve beaten nearly to death, or maybe even killed him. Robert never cared much for Joffrey, and he has other heirs. But he did care about Ned a lot. No way he would let his death slide.
Everyone is missing the key factor that it wouldn’t have gotten to this point if Robert were alive. It happened because Robert died
Joffrey would have never been allowed to go through with it if Robert had been alive. Even the bitch (cercei) was shocked when Joffrey said what he did.
He would of been very interested in the boltons work
Yeah Joff would have his head chopped off
Joffrey would end up like Rhaegar did. By that point, Ned was basically Robert's most valued friend, the only true friend he had left.
You mess with the Stark, you get the hammer.
When Joffrey killed and butchered a cat, Robert hit him so hard he probably almost killed him
If Robert had lived to find out Joffrey killed Ned, on top of finding out that Joffrey isn't even his so
Personally, i think we would've seen the Demon of the Trident born again
If he was there let's just say it would've been Joffrey's head not Ned's.
He probably beats Joff to death
He honestly might have murdered him. Ned means a lot to Robert. I’m sure Joffrey does too but nobody means much to Robert in general.
"You're killing him because he said WHAT now? What are you about Ned? You best have some solid proof..."
One Episode Later, Cersei, Jamie and their blonde babies are put to the sword and the main plot is Tywin vs King's Landing.
Wat?
Ned betrayed him on his deathbed. He'ed be 100% all for it
Ned didn't betray anyone.
What did Robert say on his deathbed? What did Ned write down?