The ship has sailed really. Microplastics are in our bodies, in babies in the womb. Not saying we should stop caring or changing what we do, it just feels like a losing battle.
I don't know why you're getting down voted. You're right. The stuff is everywhere. It's hard to do anything without coming in contact with plastics. Though hopefully the market signal will reach executive level individuals who can make production changes to eliminate plastics. Things that are biodegradable. More paper, metal, and glass in packaging and bottles, fewer disposable items, etc. I'm not a hippie by any means, but when we started finding out that a sizeable amount of plastic is in our brains, lungs, blood, eyes, and testes, I really started paying attention.
Maybe we'll be saved by some mechanism of nature that will eventually biologically filter out micro plastics in the environment after so many years. Sacrificial plants or animals that will collect them in themselves perhaps.
It does kind of suck that OP's elderly parents got scammed. I can understand why they'd want something low maintenance but, yeah. Definitely better options
$50? Even if you could find a landscaper to mow your lawn for that, the grass grows back. If you live somewhere grass grows at a moderate speed, your $3000 budget will be gone before next year's done.
Twice a month?! More like twice a week! In the begining of grass season and then again after the super duper hot part of the summer! im lucky if I can go once a week during the blistering hot parts of the season. I can't wait until my debt is paid down and I cant start switching my lawn over. Im doing a 60 ft x 17 ft veggie garden this year so that's a start. This year I was able to start killing 2 sections (one was 12x10 and the other 10x10) by planting some veggies but it's right next to the house, literally right next to the sidewalk that touches the house and I have a basement, so it was just to start killing the grass. But anyhow I got off track (love adhd). My point is: where do you live that you only have to mow every other week?! Cuz im jealous!
Nebraska. If i don't mow once a week, it's too long to handle. Snakes are bad here. Im not about to get bit by a diamond back rattle snake. When I do convert, it wont be things snakes like to hide in. I dont mind the non venomous ones, but im not going to make it easier for the venomous ones to hide out at the same time so.
Maybe depends on where you live. Here in Texas things dry out in the summer so you don't have to mow (unless you water it like some kind of idiot lol). Winter is short but also a non-mow season.
Where I grew up in Michigan it was weekly even without watering, maybe can space it more at the height of summer. Shorter season up there though. I don't know how it all balances out.
I'm sure these old folks are on board with the typical suburban ethos, so they're probably watering the lawn, want it mowed neat and tidy, not unkempt looking.
Should have xeriscaped it or something. But in the end nothing is no-maintenance so there'll always be some cost, so acting like the fake turf would have zero cost isn't accurate either. It would need repairs or replacements eventually in high traffic areas and there are the fall leaves to deal with too
People mow their lawns literally every single week where I live during the summer half of the year. For the other half of the year, probably more like twice a month?
It's insane how much maintenance people spend on this.
I live in a neighborhood of about a thousand homes, and we pay six figures per year to mow the neighborhood common lawns. I think it's about eight guys who come once a week to do this? So it's literally more than one person's full time job to do this. And then basically double that because each homeowner also mows or pays someone to mow their own lawn as well.
When i first started playing it, my wife had just broken her ankle pretty badly, i stayed home from work to take care
of her and our 9m old. This game saved my sanity for sure! So fun to get lost in.
There are better options, but when you’re old and you’re looking at future mobility issues, something like this makes a lot of sense. Chips, gravel, sand, stuff like that is hard to walk on as it moves and is uneven. Grass is high maintenance, concrete is (only slightly) more unsightly than fake grass. I am not a fan of fake grass by any means, but the safety of elderly people, and the ability for the. To enjoy being outside instead of glued to the news on their couches, kinda feels more important to me.
I went all-in on wood chips this past year. I say “all-in” but we have several contained garden areas around the yard that include native grass and other plants but no lawn.
It was a lot of work and I spent weeks taking a couple dozen trips to various grocery stores to get extra cardboard to lay down under the chips but it was all free thanks to ChipDrop.
It ended up working perfectly for me. But I did have a mountain of chips in my driveway for a few months because I got in November and didn’t get going on it before it froze.
The only real time that I would be okay with someone with a turf lawn is they are physically or mentally incapable of caring for other options, but even then there's tons of volunteer services that do lawn care and other chores for people
This is plastic outdoor carpet. Nothing is living below it, nothing is growing through it, and It will eventually break down and further contaminate the soil beneath.
A real lawn might not be the most environmentally friendly choice, but it's definitely better than plastic outdoor carpet.
Except you could simply let whatever grass is native grow there. You do not need to maintain it other than cut it, and for $3000, you can pay someone else to do it for quite a while.
Yeah there's already leaves on it. So what happens when leaves build up and decompose. Gonna look like a disaster. I would get a refund and have them remove it
i swear that’s it! my neighbor comes out to chat (hint that she wants me to rake leaves) with comments about how much she likes when the lawn looks tidy and bright lol she means solid green lawn
I found a bunch of this astroturf in the trash and made a lawn on the roof of my commercial building, so we can party on the roof and I feel pretty good about it. But, I cant imagine wanting to cover my yard in that shit.
Why did they use all different shades of green? If all the panels were the same color, it would probably look a lot better. But this looks like garbage, and I would be on the phone with whoever did this demanding that they fix it.
They should replace the trees and shrubs with plastic as well. Just keep in mind you need to have drainage for this system. I like to get that water aimed at a wetland biome nearby. This helps microplastic biodiversity.
Would rather have a yard FULL of : dandelions, mint, beans, peanuts, potato, corn, "weeds" and/or desert plants and/or gravel than this nasty toxic artificial lawn
If I had that much artificial turf, I'd just leave a few chunks of it and make a mini golf course at home, put down some clover or moss and a vegetable garden over the rest of the dirt.
Did they by chance knock on the door or put a flyer through the door? Can I always suggest that you always ask then for a written quote stating EXACTYLY what they are going to do and how much it will cost.
Explain that you need a VAT No. + business address, phone number etc. Use email not WhatsApp or Facebook to communicate and keep records. If they make excuses like can't do them any more because of COVID etc say you are sorry and move on. Explain that you need this it's the way you do things properly and if it all goes wrong or there is any bad workmanship you will need to know who your are dealing with.
99% of the time this will scare away the unwelcome types who are out for a fast buck. If not then in this situation the paperwork should help with any claim
look like for them it would be common sense. just like carpet you match the way the pile is running. the color difference is from you seeing a different side of the turf blades I guess would be the best way to say it. this should be on them to fix they put it down wrong. and at that price I would definitely make them fix it.
Ts pmo. Like how does it not mold. What happens when trees drop fruit or seeds or whatever and what's gonna happen in winter or in rain when it gets slippery 🥀
This also becomes the HOTTEST part of the property. It's held down by tiny plastic beads everywhere that reflect and absorb all of the sunlight. It SUCKS to use in the summer.
It's facing the wrong direction...did you skimp on materials because it all has to face the same direction and if they didn't have clean edges and needed to do all of these small pieces it could be they couldn't face them all correct direction.
What im Guessing is they paid 3000 for materials and labor but wanted to save money (like 2,000 dollars) and didn't purchase enough material and the workers did what they could with what they had. Keep in mind a job that costs 3000 dollars in Arkansas is not the same as a 3000 dollar job in Florida or New York. I just did an install and I got paid a1/4 of what a regular company would make and the lady last minute changed everything and got indoor outdoor carpet instead of turf and she still paid 3000 dollars. So yeah ... the materials alone can run close to 3000 with all of that seam tape and nails with all of those tiny pieces..she should have paid the 5,000 dollars it would normally cost in her area for a space that size. .
We had this in our old backyard. It gets super hot in direct sunlight during the summer. It’s not comfortable to walk on bare foot in the heat.
Also they’re extremely flammable; be careful with it.
That looks like absolute trash.
I mean it is literal trash, so success?
That’s exactly what they did. Spent 3000$ on trash.
Mmmm... Micro plastics in your soil forever.
Literally. May as well have just used that shit they stuff Easter baskets with.
Easter grass!
Macro plastics too
The ship has sailed really. Microplastics are in our bodies, in babies in the womb. Not saying we should stop caring or changing what we do, it just feels like a losing battle.
We're losing the battle because literally nobody that can make any meaningful change is trying to win it.
I don't know why you're getting down voted. You're right. The stuff is everywhere. It's hard to do anything without coming in contact with plastics. Though hopefully the market signal will reach executive level individuals who can make production changes to eliminate plastics. Things that are biodegradable. More paper, metal, and glass in packaging and bottles, fewer disposable items, etc. I'm not a hippie by any means, but when we started finding out that a sizeable amount of plastic is in our brains, lungs, blood, eyes, and testes, I really started paying attention.
Maybe we'll be saved by some mechanism of nature that will eventually biologically filter out micro plastics in the environment after so many years. Sacrificial plants or animals that will collect them in themselves perhaps.
I'm unable to muster sympathy for these turf lawn people
Same. There are so many better options. I'd rather have all woodchips than this monstrosity.
Sand, gravel, almost anything else would be better than turf
Exactly. I'm sure OP wanted a "weed free" solution.
It wasn’t OP. Did you read the post at all? It was their elderly parents.
Disinformation at it's best
It does kind of suck that OP's elderly parents got scammed. I can understand why they'd want something low maintenance but, yeah. Definitely better options
They should have saved the $3000 and paid a lawn company $50 to mow. Or, if this is truly the entire yard, the kid next door $20.
$50? Even if you could find a landscaper to mow your lawn for that, the grass grows back. If you live somewhere grass grows at a moderate speed, your $3000 budget will be gone before next year's done.
$50 2x a month is $600 a year if you have no winter.
Edit: I’m bad at math, it is $1200
Twice a month?! More like twice a week! In the begining of grass season and then again after the super duper hot part of the summer! im lucky if I can go once a week during the blistering hot parts of the season. I can't wait until my debt is paid down and I cant start switching my lawn over. Im doing a 60 ft x 17 ft veggie garden this year so that's a start. This year I was able to start killing 2 sections (one was 12x10 and the other 10x10) by planting some veggies but it's right next to the house, literally right next to the sidewalk that touches the house and I have a basement, so it was just to start killing the grass. But anyhow I got off track (love adhd). My point is: where do you live that you only have to mow every other week?! Cuz im jealous!
That is insane… I live in Massachusetts. Where do you live? Do you water your grass? We don’t do that here. Lol.
Nebraska. If i don't mow once a week, it's too long to handle. Snakes are bad here. Im not about to get bit by a diamond back rattle snake. When I do convert, it wont be things snakes like to hide in. I dont mind the non venomous ones, but im not going to make it easier for the venomous ones to hide out at the same time so.
Woof. We only have garden and rat snakes here. My husband wears knee high boots when he gardens.
...no?
$50 twice a month is 50 x 24 = $1200
So if you're mowing your lawn 2.5x a month, $3000 would last exactly two years.
Only if you have a 12-month growing season. And 2.5x a month seems excessive. I probably mow my lawn 4-5x a year.
Maybe depends on where you live. Here in Texas things dry out in the summer so you don't have to mow (unless you water it like some kind of idiot lol). Winter is short but also a non-mow season.
Where I grew up in Michigan it was weekly even without watering, maybe can space it more at the height of summer. Shorter season up there though. I don't know how it all balances out.
I'm sure these old folks are on board with the typical suburban ethos, so they're probably watering the lawn, want it mowed neat and tidy, not unkempt looking.
Should have xeriscaped it or something. But in the end nothing is no-maintenance so there'll always be some cost, so acting like the fake turf would have zero cost isn't accurate either. It would need repairs or replacements eventually in high traffic areas and there are the fall leaves to deal with too
Do you mow that much, all year??
People mow their lawns literally every single week where I live during the summer half of the year. For the other half of the year, probably more like twice a month?
It's insane how much maintenance people spend on this.
I live in a neighborhood of about a thousand homes, and we pay six figures per year to mow the neighborhood common lawns. I think it's about eight guys who come once a week to do this? So it's literally more than one person's full time job to do this. And then basically double that because each homeowner also mows or pays someone to mow their own lawn as well.
That sounds awful. We only mow like twice a month for about 2-3 months. Even then, we’re sick of it and converting half acre to native meadow.
How are you going to say "no winter" like your implying 24 mows a year then comeback with "who mows that much?"
even in summer there will be dry months!
My dad pays $30 for a lawn about this size. Including weed whacking. This is a tiny yard.
And this turf will require maintenance too. Less, but not none. Plus annual depreciation because it has a limited lifespan.
Fake grass needs maintenance too.
I’m disabled and have a small section of artificial turf so I can walk on it. Regular grass is a no go. Perhaps they need a similarly flat surface
Me too! And it’s perfect for my situation. My yard looks nice (at least at a glance) and i don’t have to hire someone to mow!
Nice username 🤘
I played Breathe of the Wild everyday while my body was slowly losing abilities. It helped so much. 🧚
When i first started playing it, my wife had just broken her ankle pretty badly, i stayed home from work to take care of her and our 9m old. This game saved my sanity for sure! So fun to get lost in.
There are better options, but when you’re old and you’re looking at future mobility issues, something like this makes a lot of sense. Chips, gravel, sand, stuff like that is hard to walk on as it moves and is uneven. Grass is high maintenance, concrete is (only slightly) more unsightly than fake grass. I am not a fan of fake grass by any means, but the safety of elderly people, and the ability for the. To enjoy being outside instead of glued to the news on their couches, kinda feels more important to me.
I agree it is a worthy exception.
What better options require no maintenance?
A condo
You seem like you just wanna argue so I'll pass bud
Green painted concrete would look better than this and be more environmentally friendly
I went all-in on wood chips this past year. I say “all-in” but we have several contained garden areas around the yard that include native grass and other plants but no lawn.
It was a lot of work and I spent weeks taking a couple dozen trips to various grocery stores to get extra cardboard to lay down under the chips but it was all free thanks to ChipDrop.
I love chipdrop. I've done it twice now. I had a side yard that was completely pointless, so I turned it into a pollinator friendly garden space.
It ended up working perfectly for me. But I did have a mountain of chips in my driveway for a few months because I got in November and didn’t get going on it before it froze.
Same lol. There's still a mountain. I'm trying to give it away to anyone who wants some.
“I paid to make my backyard look like shit and now my backyard looks like shit!”
The only real time that I would be okay with someone with a turf lawn is they are physically or mentally incapable of caring for other options, but even then there's tons of volunteer services that do lawn care and other chores for people
Still arguably more environmentally friendly than a grass lawn
This is plastic outdoor carpet. Nothing is living below it, nothing is growing through it, and It will eventually break down and further contaminate the soil beneath.
A real lawn might not be the most environmentally friendly choice, but it's definitely better than plastic outdoor carpet.
Definitely not.
you can have a grass lawn and just not irrigate it. It looks like they are in a template place too
I’ve heard the opposite
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 gtfoh
Really? Could you please elaborate? I would love to know more about this!
You could argue from a water use perspective, depending on the climate. As a hydrogeologist I’d say the plastic waste is still worse.
Lawns are almost completely non-native and they require tons of water to maintain.
And according to the hydrogeologist, plastic waste is still worse
Watering your lawn is a choice, not an obligation.
I don't water shit and mine gets along just fine. you're thinking of golf courses and stuff like that.
Except you could simply let whatever grass is native grow there. You do not need to maintain it other than cut it, and for $3000, you can pay someone else to do it for quite a while.
Thanks everyone, this is fascinating.
yeah that looks awful. I wonder what it will look like a year from now when it gets weather worn and filthy
Or when it rains. Surprise! $3000 ankle deep pool!
Yeah there's already leaves on it. So what happens when leaves build up and decompose. Gonna look like a disaster. I would get a refund and have them remove it
Gonna be slick AF and if enough of them it's gonna stink.
I will never understand this carpet obsession.
If you absolutely hate grass. Why not put a deck down. Or pave it. Or use gravel roads. Like a normal person.
But outside is scary. I want it to look like inside
i swear that’s it! my neighbor comes out to chat (hint that she wants me to rake leaves) with comments about how much she likes when the lawn looks tidy and bright lol she means solid green lawn
I found a bunch of this astroturf in the trash and made a lawn on the roof of my commercial building, so we can party on the roof and I feel pretty good about it. But, I cant imagine wanting to cover my yard in that shit.
there's some good ones that have actual grass blades like what you see on modern football fields.
I’m seeing this all over the place in my city. What the fuck is wrong with people doing this shit. Let this fad die already, jfc people suck.
I know someone who got this in their back yard and then in the first sunny day the glare from their window melted a big line across it ☠️
OP didn’t. Their parents did.
You are correct.
I don't understand. The trees indicate the climate is perfectly fine for actual grass.
I assume it might've been mossy. Which is endlessly better than this.
OP opened the post with "my elderly parents" so that is clearly the reason. They might no longer be able to tend to it
They also noted $CAD, so being Canada there'll likely be snow soon which no doubt ads a lot of maintenance come summer
I don't condone plastic grass, but this is an a appropriate use case
Putting in gravel or pavers would've probably been cheaper and wouldn't look like ass.
I absolutely agree, and at the same time I don't fault elderly folk for being hung up on stuff needing to be green
What happens when line needles and leaves fall onto it it? Or dust blows in and then when it rains it turns into mud?
It’s giving Brady Bunch.
Oh no!
Anyway.....
You need a pink flamingo.
🦩🦩🦩
Even the lawn ornament animals are recoiling at the sight of it.
Enjoy the turf turds in your socks forever. This patch would look so much better as clover.
Absolutely
LMAO SUCKS2SUCC
You could spread some soil on it and plant grass seed.
Buy grass. Or better, native plants
3000? Does it give happy endings for that money?
Have you tried mowing it to see if it lays better?
OP should try ironing it first.
It looks like some of the pieces are not following the same grain as the others. Maybe those pieces can be rotated?
They try a brain transplant?
Why did they use all different shades of green? If all the panels were the same color, it would probably look a lot better. But this looks like garbage, and I would be on the phone with whoever did this demanding that they fix it.
Fake lawn with fake pets 😂
At this point à robot lawnmower is cheaper than... That .
Now there's a good idea.
I mean. It's 2025--we want real grass.
They should replace the trees and shrubs with plastic as well. Just keep in mind you need to have drainage for this system. I like to get that water aimed at a wetland biome nearby. This helps microplastic biodiversity.
Why have any trees at all? They drop leaves all over the fake turf. /s
I seriously doubt there is fixing that outside of lawyers.
Imagine wasting that much money on this then having to hire a lawyer to get it fixed...
Don't. They got their nasty boomer grass without any help they can get it fixed too.
The only thing worse than lawn is plastic lawn
An artificial lawn?? Why? This looks so awful. Just grow a lawn. It'll take 15 minutes to mow that tiny space. Just lazy.
Apparently OP's elderly parents want "zero maintenance".
So stupid. Why? just why?
"Zero maintenance"
What a waste of money, sorry.
Imagine what OP's parents could have done with $3000 worth of beneficial plants.
Imagine the thriving community of insect life underneath it, not to mention whatever happens the first time it rains on this thing.
🫣🤢🫣🤢🫣
So they do make turf that looks real. This is not it. This looks like trash, done by a shit contractor.
Ugly
&
Actually HURTS the environment
Would rather have a yard FULL of : dandelions, mint, beans, peanuts, potato, corn, "weeds" and/or desert plants and/or gravel than this nasty toxic artificial lawn
They get to smell hot plastic all summer long. I wonder if they'll have melted spots from the sunlight reflecting off their windows?
Water it. Let it grow out. All the seams will disappear 🫠
OP should try a hand held propane torch to melt the seems together.
Looks so good though
You forgot the /s for sarcasm there bud.
Fuck sorry, yes I did
lol, luckily you didn't get down voted to oblivion.
Did they use old cut outs from previous faux lawns?
Did they apply sand, and comb it?
You could have astroturfed yourself for 1/4 the cost
OP needs to demand a refund!
$3000 for this is insane.
Absolutely! Nothing about this job has been done right! Very unprofessional!
If I had that much artificial turf, I'd just leave a few chunks of it and make a mini golf course at home, put down some clover or moss and a vegetable garden over the rest of the dirt.
What the actual fuck lmaoooo
The hell is this lol it looks like they upholstered their backyard with green carpet
Is it upside down?
Nope, can't fix stupid.
They think it may be causing clusters of brain tumors. There is an inexplicable cluster within baseball players and they think it's due to AstroTurf.
It will grow in.
The Brady’s called, they want their yard back.
Rip it up
‘What if the yard was also microplastic trash?’ Is a bold strategy cotton
And this is before it gets all dirty and frayed
whats the problem moron spent money and a smarter people made out better for it
Cover it with dirt and grass seed
Brady Bunch vibes.
That’s criminal
Prevention
Did they by chance knock on the door or put a flyer through the door? Can I always suggest that you always ask then for a written quote stating EXACTYLY what they are going to do and how much it will cost.
Explain that you need a VAT No. + business address, phone number etc. Use email not WhatsApp or Facebook to communicate and keep records. If they make excuses like can't do them any more because of COVID etc say you are sorry and move on. Explain that you need this it's the way you do things properly and if it all goes wrong or there is any bad workmanship you will need to know who your are dealing with.
99% of the time this will scare away the unwelcome types who are out for a fast buck. If not then in this situation the paperwork should help with any claim
Gross.
look like for them it would be common sense. just like carpet you match the way the pile is running. the color difference is from you seeing a different side of the turf blades I guess would be the best way to say it. this should be on them to fix they put it down wrong. and at that price I would definitely make them fix it.
Yeah tell them you want the front done so they come back for more work/ money. When they show up let your "chiquita speak" as Lil wayne would say 🔫
Should have been unfurled in one go if possible. Looks like they just cut up large squares and put wherever.
It can be fixed…. Crazy amount of work and a lot of material and skill
Ts pmo. Like how does it not mold. What happens when trees drop fruit or seeds or whatever and what's gonna happen in winter or in rain when it gets slippery 🥀
Legit tragidiegh. That carpet is only worth the truck stop stripper spelling.
Deserved for putting down plastic grass
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No
can't fix stupid
"A fool and his money are soon parted"
Make sure you cut it and water it three times a week...for at least 6months.
Pay after job is finished next time, that and threaten small claims, any judge will take you side with that shit pile of a install
let this be a lesson that if someone asks you to pay via chashapp theyre full of shit
Looks like a bunch of used pieces spliced together
https://preview.redd.it/rf9ah95bqi3g1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f3bb00b80559904a717ac2ca3d380d9b3b7f294
Do not want sand or gravel tracked in my house. Do not my dog to pee on grass carpet. That’s just bad. $75.00 every week to cut it is high too.
I personally would find these people and you can figure out the rest.
Spray paint the whole thing an take days off for the drying
Clover would have been better, in my opinion.
Wow it looks even worse than most artificial lawns, and that's a low bar
An expensive way to cheapen the whole yard!!
Groovy, Greg!
More soil that can't absorb water means more runoff to manage. slower aquafer refill, more river contamination
If I were in his local government's zoning commission I would have voted against that building permit!!
They could have, at the very least, laid the “grass” along the same bias.🤪
Real sodd would of been half the price🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm guessing OPs parents wanted zero maintenance...
Well they hit the nail on the head I guess ! Zero maintenance and zero value or appeal 🤷🤷 money well spent I guess !
I do feel bad that OP’s elderly parents got swindled but damn that looks like someone threw a bunch of old rugs down. Why do people like turf??
This also becomes the HOTTEST part of the property. It's held down by tiny plastic beads everywhere that reflect and absorb all of the sunlight. It SUCKS to use in the summer.
Looks like the view from a plane of an english farmer countryside
It's facing the wrong direction...did you skimp on materials because it all has to face the same direction and if they didn't have clean edges and needed to do all of these small pieces it could be they couldn't face them all correct direction.
What im Guessing is they paid 3000 for materials and labor but wanted to save money (like 2,000 dollars) and didn't purchase enough material and the workers did what they could with what they had. Keep in mind a job that costs 3000 dollars in Arkansas is not the same as a 3000 dollar job in Florida or New York. I just did an install and I got paid a1/4 of what a regular company would make and the lady last minute changed everything and got indoor outdoor carpet instead of turf and she still paid 3000 dollars. So yeah ... the materials alone can run close to 3000 with all of that seam tape and nails with all of those tiny pieces..she should have paid the 5,000 dollars it would normally cost in her area for a space that size. .
Seriously. Might as well have used the stuff from Easter baskets.
Dolly Parton's "coat of many colors" song comes to mind.
Those trees will die, the soil will die under the turf, the plastic will degenerate to shreds within 5 years and it will be too hot to walk on.
They can think about how to fix it during their time in the padded room they need to check themselves in to
There is a "directional grain" & it looks like it wasn't all oriented in the same direction.
We had this in our old backyard. It gets super hot in direct sunlight during the summer. It’s not comfortable to walk on bare foot in the heat. Also they’re extremely flammable; be careful with it.
even $300 would be a tragedy
I am baffled by this. That material costs nowhere near that price and it looks like my nephew Thomas laid them down so where does 3k come from?
🤣 🫏
first thing I'd do is expand the deck.....lots
Where's the problem?
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