And how do they feel years later when your "irrational" choice of lifestyle has paid off and has objectively made your life (and possibly other people's lives) better?
I definitely got a lot of weird looks and even now at work, I get lots of "Well, how do you get anywhere?" My family is very car-centered lol. My grandpa would trade in his car every 3 years for a new one (RIP). My grandma is pushing 90 now and refuses to give up her car even though she is literally going blind and has already hit 2 parked cars (and yes, we've asked her doctor to help us take the keys/license, but apparently they don't do that anymore).
But honestly, for as Republican and car-centric as my family is they can be pretty open-minded to new viewpoints or perspectives they might not have considered before and are generally supportive. Once I explained how the bus system and cycling works for me, it was like they now understand why it's important to support transit even if you don't take it yourself. I have also gone on many (probably too much) tangents about how our city and voters are actively cutting transit funding at its knees and how neglect of pedestrians equates to traffic violence. I have even shared the many instances of the city's neglect in cycling infrastructure and framed it more as "if you're not supporting transit or alternative modes of transportation then you're actively voting against my interest" and I think once I put it like that, it's like a lightbulb went off haha. I have also found it generally helpful to frame public transit as a net positive for both riders and drivers. What's the one thing everybody hates? Traffic! What reduces traffic? Getting more people to ride transit! How do we do that? We need to increase funding and frequency of transit services!
I live in the US and I honestly think most people are just so ingrained in car-culture they take everything for granted. Once you show them the reality of life for people who don't drive, it's like Neo "waking up" from the Matrix. But as I said, I am very lucky my family is willing to listen and understand other perspectives. I have some friends who could care less and just tell me I need to "grow up and get a car already."
Italy is carbrained but in a completely different way. At least there are sidewalks compared to the part of the US that I am from! I’ve got buddies that walk 15 km in northern Italy to get where they are (of course they’ve lost their licenses to drinking and driving, the northern way). That would never happen in USA!
My parents were freaked when I told them I didn’t want a car and was going to get an ebike to get around as my own personal vehicle (exclusively). I have multiple bikes, electric and not which I use to get around all year. The initial reaction was to nearly kick me out (which I don’t think the actually would have but what a weird threat in hindsight) and insisting that I wouldn’t be able to do anything, that it was super unsafe and I would get injured or die, and that it was just entirely unrealistic.
Skip two years later, got my father interested in ebikes, scooters, normal bikes, (he now owns more than me which is like 4+) and nobody questions my decision because it’s extremely cost effective, saves money, and just actually works. Ive gotten a lot of my friends to replace some of their trips with other means as well (transit or cycling). When people ask why I don’t own a car, I simply say it’s a decision on principle and leave it at that unless they want to hear more. Usually more respected that way, and I get the chance to shit on cars if they push for more information.
The initial reaction was to nearly kick me out (which I don’t think the actually would have but what a weird threat in hindsight) and insisting that I wouldn’t be able to do anything, that it was super unsafe and I would get injured or die
"We're so worried about your safety we're going to make you homeless" Truly A+ parenting right there 🤦♂️
They were strongly opposed and brought up the usual car-brained arguments. Once they saw that I was still capable of living a full life without a car and how stubborn I am when I know I'm right, they started to accept it.
They see that I show up to work 30 km away using transit on time while saving a fortune on car ownership/parking, I have a wife so their 'no car = no girlfriend' argument is invalid, and more.
I honestly find it hilarious countering their arguments they haven't thought through very well. 'Stop wasting money on bicycles'. My secondhand bicycle costs less than just one of your monthly insurance payments lol
When my relatives from abroad visit, it starts back up again, though.
They are right that you should get a license. It's a multi-year process that opens up the ability to use car share or rentals when it actually makes sense to. If I want to go out camping, I can't take transit. If I want to move all the stuff in my apartment and not hire movers, I can rent a car or a van. It's extremely useful to have the ability to occasionally use a car when you really need one, even if you aren't using one the vast majority of the time.
Yes, and typically being very insistent and even angry about it.
Hey Cartoonnerd01, are you STILL using a knife to cut carrots? You should really get a TV-shop ultramax 9000. It's just so much easier. I don't get how you do without. You're moving to a bigger house right, and will get more guests? That means more carrots to cut. You'll be completely overwhelmed without an ultramax. I would really just buy one now. I really need you to do it to validate my own purchase. Why do you have to be so different? You and your knife can go #$&@ yourselves!
But seriously, my family is the same. It seems like they always have a better way of doing thing, constantly questioning my way, it's annoying and even condescending.
And my failure to set boundaries to that (due to my fear of a negative reaction from them) has recently led me to snap.
I've been getting around by cycling or walking since 2009. My mom still offers to buy me a car at least once every few months. They don't understand not doing something because it is harmful to others.
Full disclosure: I am car-light, not car free. I primarily get around by e-bike, bicycle, walking, and transit, but my household has a car primarily driven by my wife, or by me when we are both going somewhere together.
I’m well into middle age, and my now elderly mother is STILL very concerned about my safety when getting around by bicycle instead of in a car. She professes to be happy that I am happy, but I think she still doesn’t fully understand or accept my transportation choices.
Amongst my friends and acquaintances, they are all very supportive, though at least some of them think I’m quirky and doing something that “normal” people can’t or won’t do. Many of them express gratitude for my advocacy for alternative transportation, and I’ve influenced at least some of them to get an e-bike for transportation.
Ive told my mom I ride my bike to work everyday on three espérate occasions throughout the past few years and every time the conversation is the exact same amount of surprise and disbelief. Idk why but I feel like at christmas I’ll have to tell her again lol
In France we are definitely not as car-centric as in the US, my father is big on cycling, and I never felt I "decided" to be car-free, more that I found out that with minor adjustments having a bike was way simpler and cheaper than a car and so ended up never buying one (the atmospheric pollution, particle pollutions, noise, poor urbanism and danger sealed the deal). Still, I've had the classical "it's working for now but eventually you'll have to" (never happened) and "it's unsafe" (yes, because of cars).
Again recently, I was talking with an uncle I hadn't seen in a long time and he was telling me how privileged I am to only have to cycle 20 minutes to go to work and that he had recently done the math of how long he had spent in his car for his 1h commute in his 35 years career. I'm always amazed how some people appear to do things without taking a full second to think about it because it's the "normal" thing to do and then realize years later how many thousands of hours of life they wasted.
I'm always amazed how some people appear to do things without taking a full second to think about it because it's the "normal" thing to do and then realize years later how many thousands of hours of life they wasted.
YESSSSS! Amen to that. That's why getting a car or anything of the kind shouldn't be a social expectation.
Haha, no. I use rain gear, like clothes and stuff. In germany we call it Regenhose, so rain pants? I don't know. lol Mine even covers the boots. My jacket is waterproof and my gloves too (most of the time). All together it was an investment of ~60€. I don't care to get vet. It only sucks sometimes with my glasses tho. But that can be changed with a quick stop and wipe.
Hope that answers your question.
I definitely got a lot of weird looks and even now at work, I get lots of "Well, how do you get anywhere?" My family is very car-centered lol. My grandpa would trade in his car every 3 years for a new one (RIP). My grandma is pushing 90 now and refuses to give up her car even though she is literally going blind and has already hit 2 parked cars (and yes, we've asked her doctor to help us take the keys/license, but apparently they don't do that anymore).
But honestly, for as Republican and car-centric as my family is they can be pretty open-minded to new viewpoints or perspectives they might not have considered before and are generally supportive. Once I explained how the bus system and cycling works for me, it was like they now understand why it's important to support transit even if you don't take it yourself. I have also gone on many (probably too much) tangents about how our city and voters are actively cutting transit funding at its knees and how neglect of pedestrians equates to traffic violence. I have even shared the many instances of the city's neglect in cycling infrastructure and framed it more as "if you're not supporting transit or alternative modes of transportation then you're actively voting against my interest" and I think once I put it like that, it's like a lightbulb went off haha. I have also found it generally helpful to frame public transit as a net positive for both riders and drivers. What's the one thing everybody hates? Traffic! What reduces traffic? Getting more people to ride transit! How do we do that? We need to increase funding and frequency of transit services!
I live in the US and I honestly think most people are just so ingrained in car-culture they take everything for granted. Once you show them the reality of life for people who don't drive, it's like Neo "waking up" from the Matrix. But as I said, I am very lucky my family is willing to listen and understand other perspectives. I have some friends who could care less and just tell me I need to "grow up and get a car already."
That was very long to read, but it's nice that your family understands your POV.
I don't live in the US, but I live in Italy, which is just as car-brained🤣
Italy is carbrained but in a completely different way. At least there are sidewalks compared to the part of the US that I am from! I’ve got buddies that walk 15 km in northern Italy to get where they are (of course they’ve lost their licenses to drinking and driving, the northern way). That would never happen in USA!
Exactly, we're not US-level of carbrain but still pretty bad.
Lol I have a good one
My parents were freaked when I told them I didn’t want a car and was going to get an ebike to get around as my own personal vehicle (exclusively). I have multiple bikes, electric and not which I use to get around all year. The initial reaction was to nearly kick me out (which I don’t think the actually would have but what a weird threat in hindsight) and insisting that I wouldn’t be able to do anything, that it was super unsafe and I would get injured or die, and that it was just entirely unrealistic.
Skip two years later, got my father interested in ebikes, scooters, normal bikes, (he now owns more than me which is like 4+) and nobody questions my decision because it’s extremely cost effective, saves money, and just actually works. Ive gotten a lot of my friends to replace some of their trips with other means as well (transit or cycling). When people ask why I don’t own a car, I simply say it’s a decision on principle and leave it at that unless they want to hear more. Usually more respected that way, and I get the chance to shit on cars if they push for more information.
"We're so worried about your safety we're going to make you homeless" Truly A+ parenting right there 🤦♂️
Wow, that's a good one!
Good job! 😁
Edit: IMO the fact that "We're gonna kick you out" was an empty threat makes it even worse😞
They were strongly opposed and brought up the usual car-brained arguments. Once they saw that I was still capable of living a full life without a car and how stubborn I am when I know I'm right, they started to accept it.
They see that I show up to work 30 km away using transit on time while saving a fortune on car ownership/parking, I have a wife so their 'no car = no girlfriend' argument is invalid, and more.
I honestly find it hilarious countering their arguments they haven't thought through very well. 'Stop wasting money on bicycles'. My secondhand bicycle costs less than just one of your monthly insurance payments lol
When my relatives from abroad visit, it starts back up again, though.
I did the math after discovering how much it costs monthly maintaining a car in my country... I dropped my jaw in disbelief.
Yeah, cemented my idea of staying car-free. Still getting the licence, but as this sub says, F*CK CARS! ✊️
You simply ought to get a license now while you have the time, it's going to get more expensive over the years too.
Well, you might be okay now while you're studying in the city, but when you get a job and move you should get a car.
Okay, so that worked out, but when you get a kid, you really need a car, no question about it.
I see it's working out somehow, but when the kid starts with school and activities, there's really no other option.
Etc.
They are right that you should get a license. It's a multi-year process that opens up the ability to use car share or rentals when it actually makes sense to. If I want to go out camping, I can't take transit. If I want to move all the stuff in my apartment and not hire movers, I can rent a car or a van. It's extremely useful to have the ability to occasionally use a car when you really need one, even if you aren't using one the vast majority of the time.
yea just having the license opens up a world of possibilities when those possibilities come up.
In short, doubling down every time, ha ha.
Yes, and typically being very insistent and even angry about it.
Hey Cartoonnerd01, are you STILL using a knife to cut carrots? You should really get a TV-shop ultramax 9000. It's just so much easier. I don't get how you do without. You're moving to a bigger house right, and will get more guests? That means more carrots to cut. You'll be completely overwhelmed without an ultramax. I would really just buy one now. I really need you to do it to validate my own purchase. Why do you have to be so different? You and your knife can go #$&@ yourselves!
I thought that was legit for a sec, ha ha.
But seriously, my family is the same. It seems like they always have a better way of doing thing, constantly questioning my way, it's annoying and even condescending.
And my failure to set boundaries to that (due to my fear of a negative reaction from them) has recently led me to snap.
Also 90% of their casual conversation is complaining about how much they hate using their ultramax 9000...
I've been getting around by cycling or walking since 2009. My mom still offers to buy me a car at least once every few months. They don't understand not doing something because it is harmful to others.
Tell me about it.
I say: "I don't want a car", they hear: "I can buy it for you if it's too expensive for you."
MOM THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.
...What they hear would be more like, "I can't afford it, can you help me?"
YES.
I'm not car-free but my family often freaks out knowing that I take public transit regularly.
"There are crazy homeless people! You're going to get stabbed!"
Funny cause you could make a similar argument for the road:
"THERE ARE SO MANY IDIOTS ON THE ROAD! YOU'RE GONNA GET IN A CRASH!"
literally what i say back
Not to mention, IIRC you're more likely to die on the road than on public transport.
Full disclosure: I am car-light, not car free. I primarily get around by e-bike, bicycle, walking, and transit, but my household has a car primarily driven by my wife, or by me when we are both going somewhere together.
I’m well into middle age, and my now elderly mother is STILL very concerned about my safety when getting around by bicycle instead of in a car. She professes to be happy that I am happy, but I think she still doesn’t fully understand or accept my transportation choices.
Amongst my friends and acquaintances, they are all very supportive, though at least some of them think I’m quirky and doing something that “normal” people can’t or won’t do. Many of them express gratitude for my advocacy for alternative transportation, and I’ve influenced at least some of them to get an e-bike for transportation.
Lol, ha ha. Even though statistics show the opposite.
Good for you! 😁
Ive told my mom I ride my bike to work everyday on three espérate occasions throughout the past few years and every time the conversation is the exact same amount of surprise and disbelief. Idk why but I feel like at christmas I’ll have to tell her again lol
In France we are definitely not as car-centric as in the US, my father is big on cycling, and I never felt I "decided" to be car-free, more that I found out that with minor adjustments having a bike was way simpler and cheaper than a car and so ended up never buying one (the atmospheric pollution, particle pollutions, noise, poor urbanism and danger sealed the deal). Still, I've had the classical "it's working for now but eventually you'll have to" (never happened) and "it's unsafe" (yes, because of cars).
Again recently, I was talking with an uncle I hadn't seen in a long time and he was telling me how privileged I am to only have to cycle 20 minutes to go to work and that he had recently done the math of how long he had spent in his car for his 1h commute in his 35 years career. I'm always amazed how some people appear to do things without taking a full second to think about it because it's the "normal" thing to do and then realize years later how many thousands of hours of life they wasted.
YESSSSS! Amen to that. That's why getting a car or anything of the kind shouldn't be a social expectation.
"But what do you do when it rains?"
"Uuh. Still ride my bike?"
Lol, ha ha!
Btw, do you put something like a plastic cap over the bike when it's raining?
Nah, it just sits there in the rain just like me. But I clean my chain after rather often.
Oh, ok, but I was referring more if you put it when going out. You know, like an umbrella for the bike:
https://share.google/Tu7Mwfm9B2BrKsEzj
Haha, no. I use rain gear, like clothes and stuff. In germany we call it Regenhose, so rain pants? I don't know. lol Mine even covers the boots. My jacket is waterproof and my gloves too (most of the time). All together it was an investment of ~60€. I don't care to get vet. It only sucks sometimes with my glasses tho. But that can be changed with a quick stop and wipe.
Hope that answers your question.
Okay that's even better.
Maybe I should get rain gear.
I recommend for sure. It's a life changer. Especially for your pants. No more soaky lol
Considering I'm in a country not far from yours, I may find them of the same brand/type. What would you recommend?
I just give you a link lol
https://www.decathlon.de/p/fahrrad-regenhose-city-100-schwarz/169380/c382m8402040
Thats the one I bought. My glooves are from prophete tho. a little more expensive but worth it.
Thanks!