That makes sense. For older home owners, HOAs sometimes take care of the exterior of the house, lawn, etc. They provide shared community resources like club houses, etc. If you're looking for that and wanting to deal with an HOA, go for it. I'll continue to avoid it until I can't.
I'm in number 2, and I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of HOAs in Tucson are remnants of developer HOAs, and serve ZERO purpose other than enforcement of uniformity.
It's getting increasingly difficult to find a home without one (I live in one of two tiny no-HOA areas in my neighborhood - like 60 homes), and when they provide no benefit other than telling your neighbor to pull their weeds, which, from experience, does nothing for home values. The values in the non-HOA areas are equal to or higher than the HOA areas.
It's pretty rough over here. Even worse in Phoenix.
I have family in Tucson, Catalina Foothills specifically.
I’d love to move there, but it is impossible to find a non-HOA property there unless you’ve got millions for a stand-alone property.
Plus, y’all got too many people in the desert already. I’d feel guilty moving there now, knowing what’s coming with water.
No hate to people already there.
My HOA in Phoenix basically has zero power, and the dues ($30/month) go towards maintaining the neighborhood park and landscaping. They used to police front yards and streets but that got voted away so now weeds and junk cars/oversized trailers/RVs/10 cars to one house parked outside of every 5th house.
I literally can’t park outside my own home because my neighbors have cars parked outside 24/7 so I kind of miss when the HOA had a say because the city won’t do shit as long as they move every 72 hours or something like that
Do you know whay sub you're in? It's a shit talking sub focused on HOA. HOA is a catch all. Nobody is shit talking your condo association-no reason to be offended. If you do find a reason, take a moment and evaluate why.
Since we are getting precise. Your comment is not clearly written out. HOA is a Home Owners association. CA is Condo Association. The rules and laws in most states govern both associations but they are different and measured in this article. Infact, the article this graph is from, here, specifically acknowledges both under the "HOA" name then later defined them as Condo association with condo fees and Home owners association with Home owners association fees. They later define HOA's with Planned neighborhoods, amenities and other items.
Quote from the article.
In Nevada, Arizona, and Florida, new-construction homes in master-planned communities, which typically come with HOAs, make up a higher share of the properties.
These Master planned communities are houses, not condos.
So, if you're going to get snooty, at least be right.
Additional quote from the organizer:
Realtor.com's senior economist Joel Berner says that the survey's finding reflects what's been happening in the housing markets of many Southern and Western states in recent years, which has seen new construction booming.
"Our previous research has shown that HOAs are most common among newly built homes and communities," explains Berner. "These three states are fast growing and have high levels of new construction, so it's not surprising to see higher incidence of HOA obligations there."
Cool story, I really don't care. It took me less than a minute to find the original article, another 3 to read it and figure out publisher wasn't talking about condo associations. Lastly, tone is not conveyed in comment/text formats. You have no idea if I'm being an asshole or direct.
Just for the record, both my comments are arguing the same point: the stats posted are not measuring condo associations.
Some HOAs only have single family homes (site condos) that are typically on private roads that the HOA is responsible for repair and replacement of.
HOA fees at $100/month typically are insufficient to cover complete replacement of the roads in HOAs which means a special assessment that can easily be $10,000 per co-owner.
I know this because it happened to me. The special assessment for the road replacement was tacked onto our property taxes at $1000 per year for 10 years. The roads the contractor/developer built lasted only 20 years. The freeze/thaw cycle in the snow belt is part of the reason for the road's short life
The so-called private road in my subdivision were open to all types of traffic (semis included). I'm going to avoid all developments with private roads if possible if/when I buy another place to live. I sold my house in the sub and am renting for now.
I read somewhere that Florida is starting to crack down on overbearing HOA's. Some are even considering getting rid of all except for gated communities
That makes sense. For older home owners, HOAs sometimes take care of the exterior of the house, lawn, etc. They provide shared community resources like club houses, etc. If you're looking for that and wanting to deal with an HOA, go for it. I'll continue to avoid it until I can't.
That's why Sister and her family moved into one. No longer owning a lawn mower or worrying about shrubs and trees.
I'm in number 2, and I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of HOAs in Tucson are remnants of developer HOAs, and serve ZERO purpose other than enforcement of uniformity.
It's getting increasingly difficult to find a home without one (I live in one of two tiny no-HOA areas in my neighborhood - like 60 homes), and when they provide no benefit other than telling your neighbor to pull their weeds, which, from experience, does nothing for home values. The values in the non-HOA areas are equal to or higher than the HOA areas.
It's pretty rough over here. Even worse in Phoenix.
I have family in Tucson, Catalina Foothills specifically.
I’d love to move there, but it is impossible to find a non-HOA property there unless you’ve got millions for a stand-alone property.
Plus, y’all got too many people in the desert already. I’d feel guilty moving there now, knowing what’s coming with water. No hate to people already there.
My HOA in Phoenix basically has zero power, and the dues ($30/month) go towards maintaining the neighborhood park and landscaping. They used to police front yards and streets but that got voted away so now weeds and junk cars/oversized trailers/RVs/10 cars to one house parked outside of every 5th house.
I literally can’t park outside my own home because my neighbors have cars parked outside 24/7 so I kind of miss when the HOA had a say because the city won’t do shit as long as they move every 72 hours or something like that
Condos will always have HOA's, and it's really confusing when people on this sub don't seem to understand that.
Do you know whay sub you're in? It's a shit talking sub focused on HOA. HOA is a catch all. Nobody is shit talking your condo association-no reason to be offended. If you do find a reason, take a moment and evaluate why.
Thanks. I do know what sub I'm on, it's the one where I've had to explain to multiple people why condo HOA's exist.
You might've got all that context from my clearly-written comment, but I understand that you wanted to try and be clever. Keep trying.
Since we are getting precise. Your comment is not clearly written out. HOA is a Home Owners association. CA is Condo Association. The rules and laws in most states govern both associations but they are different and measured in this article. Infact, the article this graph is from, here, specifically acknowledges both under the "HOA" name then later defined them as Condo association with condo fees and Home owners association with Home owners association fees. They later define HOA's with Planned neighborhoods, amenities and other items.
Quote from the article.
These Master planned communities are houses, not condos.
So, if you're going to get snooty, at least be right.
Additional quote from the organizer:
Article
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Cool story, I really don't care. It took me less than a minute to find the original article, another 3 to read it and figure out publisher wasn't talking about condo associations. Lastly, tone is not conveyed in comment/text formats. You have no idea if I'm being an asshole or direct.
Just for the record, both my comments are arguing the same point: the stats posted are not measuring condo associations.
So you're a liar then, since you clearly don't know what sub you're posting in
Some HOAs only have single family homes (site condos) that are typically on private roads that the HOA is responsible for repair and replacement of.
HOA fees at $100/month typically are insufficient to cover complete replacement of the roads in HOAs which means a special assessment that can easily be $10,000 per co-owner.
I know this because it happened to me. The special assessment for the road replacement was tacked onto our property taxes at $1000 per year for 10 years. The roads the contractor/developer built lasted only 20 years. The freeze/thaw cycle in the snow belt is part of the reason for the road's short life
The so-called private road in my subdivision were open to all types of traffic (semis included). I'm going to avoid all developments with private roads if possible if/when I buy another place to live. I sold my house in the sub and am renting for now.
Feel like Hawaii should be on this list.
Jesus, as if I needed another reason to never move to Florida
I read somewhere that Florida is starting to crack down on overbearing HOA's. Some are even considering getting rid of all except for gated communities
Yeah, I talked to a coworker of mine on Monday that lives in Florida and she said her Aunt pays $1500 a month in HOA fees 🤯
Are those monthly fees? Mine are $135 quarterly. I think I’m doing pretty good in FL.
I'm really surprised Texas isn't on this list. If it's not yet, it will be.
I thousands a year to be told what I can or cannot do with my own property . I hate hoas.
Reason 3,409,211 not to live in those states
Ahh okay so Baby Boomers.