I agree. I believe the reason GRRM was so butthurt about fans’ reaction to S8 is because that was his planned ending and he was offended because people hated it. He didn’t care about why people hated it, he only cared that people didn’t think the ending was good.
I believe the reason GRRM was so butthurt about fans’ reaction to S8 is because that was his planned ending and he was offended because people hated it
Then he shouldn't've handed it off to Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumbass. Those two fuckwits kInDa fOrGoR basically every character arc and motivation in the series
Bran becoming King isn't even THAT bad of an ending. It's everything leading up to it and pertaining to him in the show that sucks
If he's so unimportant to the rest of the ongoing stories that you can literally have an entire season without Bran in it, then he's not "ends up as king" material
GRRM built up like 4-5 interesting throne claimant characters through the span of multiple books with actual valid claims only for Bran to go "yoink, throne mine now actually "?
It's never going to be good even if he has finished winds and dream of spring.
I think as people said and I think I commented this on other posts talking about Bran that the ending in which Bran rules as King works best when he isn't the one sitting on the Iron Throne or ruling in any way whatsoever directly, perhaps fully becoming a Greenseer in the Isle of Faces, becoming Inmortal and controlling the Continent through his powers and skin changing the Kings to come, the hidden ruler, the one making all the decisions in the shadows, ruling for 1000 years and 1000 more to come
The notion that the story was building up to ""someone ending up on the throne"" was always just a dumb meme to begin with – from Robert to Joffrey, Tommen and Cersei, no one sitting on there seemed all that epic or worthy, so why was that supposed to be the case for whoever ended up on it at the end?
Cheryl had the most aura on it I suppose, and Daenerys would've at least brought back the AtC factor to the cool throne.
But yeah it gets melted, they still retain a monarchy (just an elective one now?), and just choose a cand to diffuse some post-war tensions – it's not some big epic thing at the end, and was never bound to be although it could've been too.
And in such a case, Bran the new magic ultra-prophet greenseer might be someone to usher in some kind of new age in such a position, but yeah it comes out of nowhere and contradicts previous lines on top of it.
If GRRM didn't want some "big epic thing at the end" then maybe he shouldn't have built up to a "big epic thing at the end".
He made a story about claimants to a throne fighting each other in a civil war to see who wins in the end, similar to the War of Roses in real life, which was his major inspiration. Naturally, his entire audience expects a similar conclusion.
To pivot from a medieval battle of thrones to see who wins just to have "this magic cripple is now king because I hate monarchy actually, so I just implement an elective surveillance state" after everything he has built up to the contrary so far is just genuinely rather shitty writing.
There's gonna be big epic but "who'll become king and last decades starting mcawesome dynasty" isn't necessarily gonna be part of it, although it could.
Big showdowns with Others/dragons/Euron/whoever else, wars and revolutions, that sure.
He made a story about claimants to a throne fighting each other in a civil war to see who wins in the end, similar to the War of Roses in real life, which was his major inspiration. Naturally, his entire audience expects a similar conclusion.
That's the meme version, but not really – the backstory was a rebellion mainly aiming to dethrone the current crazy tyrant, who was supposed to replace him wasn't that relevant, which is why a reluctant Robert ended up taking it due to some blood technicality.
Then sure, Joffrey and Cersei went for it, they wanted to become the next tyrants sitting on the cool throne; Littlefinger revealed having that ambition, Daenerys and Viserys wanted to reclaim their heritage, Margaery maybe, and idk what other scumbags?
Don't think Greyjoy wanted it? More like rule everyone from the Iron Islands.
But yeah ambitious obsessives or scumbags want the throne while good guys are just trying to counteract them and save the realm / avenge their family, that was really how the plot went – if that ended up involving one of the heroes becoming glorious KL King, then cool; or maybe they'd install a Robert/Tommen just to keep the peace, or whatever else.
The "King in the North" concept got more hype than that.
To pivot from a medieval battle of thrones to see who wins just to have "this magic cripple is now king because I hate monarchy actually, so I just implement an elective surveillance state" after everything he has built up to the contrary so far is just genuinely rather shitty writing.
Bran's election did suck, for several reasons, just not this particular one.
Manipulated or not, his election should've either been based on some interpretation of inheritance, or his ultra-greenseer skills if everyone was in the mood for some kinda god-king (and not the southern 7 type either) – him just having a really cool adventure origin bio while btw having all those other traits, that was extremely bizarre.
People can rally around a compelling foundation myth or a leader with some impressive/archetypal biography, but in this context it was just clunky.
Especially if they had to appease the Daenerys team who were probably cranky about any Starks at that moment.
I didn't mind Bran becoming the king at all, however the way we got there was so fucking stupid, along with the North breaking away anyways with Sansa, despite there literally being a Stark now o the iron throne.
I mind. Bran as king is dumb. He had no political influence among the seven kingdoms. Wasn’t known at all outside the north, besides being Ned’s crippled son. Makes no sense
Yeah well that's the point. It doesn't make any sense the way it was done. It would be cool to see him return from beyond the wall, actually see him do something, yk maybe destroy/fight/weaken the Night King and prove he is capable of insane political manipulations thanks to his abilities. Nobody would then dare to stand in his way to become the king and he would probably be a very competent king as well.
"I can't be a lord of anything" followed by "why do you think I came all this way?" with like a single sentence from him in between and a reasoning "WhO hAs a BetTeR StORy?" is plain bullshit.
One of the final scenes in Season 6 was where Littlefinger finally admitted to Sansa that what he had always wanted was the Iron Throne...AND her sitting beside him as his queen. Sansa likes being kowtowed to so eventually she probably decided "The hell with that. Why not me?!?!" Anyhow...
...in 8x06 Sansa knowingly made her own play for the Iron Throne when she took 5K troops to Kings Landingfor the Great Council, Her ploy became obvious when, just as her qualified Uncle Edmure was starting to make a case for himself, she rudely told him to sit down! Tyrion, who knows her motivations very well, may have realized what she was aiming for. That is when he made the case for the Council to grant Bran Stark the Iron throne. And they agreed. So Sansa picked up her marbles (except Arya and Brienne) and went back to rule the cold North and its "weathervane" lords.
Another and actually nice ideas on how to make an actual conflict between the Starks and not what we got with whatever was going on in S7.
The way it was made was so stupid, like Sansa trying to get her family together, while still let the Starks have some power. The way I percieved it was "ok now my brother is the king of the Seven kingdoms, but also independent North pls" and Bran was like "ok".
Seems to me what were they aiming for was to give every Stark character a nice and warm ending and that's about it.
Fuck it, everything about S8 is so stupid I'm so angry now again :((
I blame D&D but I also blame GRRM. Honest to god, today I see them as great adapters. Terrible writers, but great adapters. And they ran out of material. So what could they do?
By s5 and 6 they realized that they would have to finish the loose ends by themselves because no way even just winds would be done by then. So now they were tying the knots that GRRM never will and the quality decreased. I also think S5 was a clear step down, and it only got worse from there.
And that wasn't what D&D signed up for, so yeah it's still technically their fault and rush to finish it. But at least they did, GRRM never will. 14 years later it's clear he'll never finish winds.
Because it would lead all to dead ends. If you know GRRM isn't finishing it in the next 2 years or less (with production cycles), you need to kill it off yourself. And writing is not their forte as we all know.
I mean they would just be introducing plot points with no conclusion, like Aegon with Jon con. What would they even do with that besides just butchering it? I blame grrm more than d&d at this point. If WoW had released like 8 years ago, my opinion would be different
That's true they did barristan super dirty, although there isn't much to go off from Stannis. He's still marching in the books. I agree with u on dorne tho, having Jaime and bronn team up and go on adventures felt like a marvel movie (not in a good way).
Its impossible for Stannis to burn his daughter for Bolton's sake. He also gathers northerners to his cause. They stropped us of badass Manderly North remembers speech and made Manderly's traitors.
Stannis Northern campaign storyline was dumbed down, stolen for Season 6 and given to Jon Snow.
Season 7 is the worst offender. I even enjoy season 8 more, maybe because season 7 was so dumb (specially the last 3 episodes). After season 7 I lost my interest in the show. Thankfully, season 8 had some good visuals and was quick (which mean we didn't have time for dumb dialogue or filler) and I wanted to see how it ended.
This. Season 7 was one of the highest rated seasons… higher than some source material seasons. It’s so bizarre some “viewers” try to act like Season 8 was exponentially worse considering how bad Season 7 was.
As action fantasy with cool dialogue and reduced logic standards, the show has retained a high quality up until like the 2nd half of the final episode, so high ratings (by general viewers and critics, not those specifically measuring it all by "Asoiaf standards" or how they see those) aren't an inexplicable shock at all.
The Season 7 writing is simply not markedly better than the back half of the finale (which, admittedly, was not good.)
Jon and Dany go from despising each other to in bed in a matter of episodes. Davos 'smuggles' Tyrion, the most recognizable Most Wanted ever, onto an open beach in broad daylight where guards patrol. The wight hunt/Dany's magical appearance hours later. Whatever Winterfell was with Littlefinger and the Stark girls. Jaime falling from ground into an impossibly deep trench with seemingly no bottom, only to be magically rescused and somehow not pursued at all by the person he just tried to kill and whose father he killed years ago, causing her entire life's shitty events.
It's simply not deserving of such a high rated, and should have been a clear indicator of what was to come as opposed to one of the highest rated seasons.
Jon and Dany go from despising each other to in bed in a matter of episodes.
So? They didn't "despise each other" to begin with, just started out with a hotheaded argument before calming down.
Then some conversations happen, then an epic rescue adventure, one thing leads to another as they say.
The bickering in the throne room probably made them hot too.
Davos 'smuggles' Tyrion, the most recognizable Most Wanted ever, onto an open beach in broad daylight where guards patrol.
He hoped to avoid them, or if not to be able to distract them with bribes, and Tyrion looked different enough by this point so maybe that appeared plausible enough.
Still, considering Cersei had been indiscriminately sending men to abduct/murder dwarfs, Tyrion should've been hiding in the boat somewhere and nor showing himself at all while they were around – and then they DO recognize him, but it's just 2 guards and they're easy to kill I guess.
The wight hunt/Dany's magical appearance hours later.
What about it?
Whatever Winterfell was with Littlefinger and the Stark girls.
That got fumbled, yes; mediocre YA melodrama and hijinks.
Although a lot of Arya/Sansa had always been that, and a good deal of LF's schemes was just Iago'ing hotheaded aristocrats, so in a way it's all more of the same.
Jaime falling from ground into an impossibly deep trench with seemingly no bottom, only to be magically rescused and somehow not pursued at all by the person he just tried to kill and whose father he killed years ago, causing her entire life's shitty events.
Well he disappeared below the water, eh.
And not sure Daenerys had recognized him at that point?
Just to clear, you are claiming, with a straight face, that Dany never felt contempt for Jon in Season 7 Episode 3? And that Jon was totally happy being imprisoned on the island when his people needed him the most?
You have got to be trolling me with this nonsense.
Oh, read the rest of it... no way I can have a serious discussion with someone who clearly just wants to blindly defend all that nonsense... you're just proving that viewers were happy to gobble that slop up as long as their favorite characters weren't irreparably harmed and their final season fan fic was 'safe'.
The writing was starting to decline there heavily. Being honest about the show in hindsight means realizing that we all were hyped af after two good and a great season and they knew they already sold.
Jon, Ygritte and company climbed the wall from north to south in the end of Season 3. In Season 4 they were raiding south of the wall and bumped into Thenn wildlings who had also climbed the wall. Ygritte’s group and the Thenns then attacked Castle Black in Season 4
Styr's Thenns joined Tormund and Ygritte way after Jon had left, either I have turbo dementia or that was the 1st time they met (or we saw) any Thenns.
It's not even that most of the season 8 plot points were bad (the way death of Rhaegal happened, the secession of the North and the elective monarchy were stupid, I admit, though). It is just they never got beyond the bulletpoints snd rushed it.
Anyone pretending like the third column was just as good as the first half of the show (seasons 1-4) are delusional, as Seasons 5 and 6 where simply not written well. Yes, Season 6 ends on some bangers that buoy that season, but overall those two seasons do no deserve to have that third column be just as good as the previous ones.
Im rewatching the show for the first time since it aired and you can see the sharp decline in season 5. Theres so much going on and at the same time nothing happening. I know im just going to get more and more upset as I keep watching.
And for God's sake that sand snake dialogue, Jesus christ.
People really though season five was good? It’s in the bottom half of the bottom half of the seasons. I can’t believe that was the first year it won “Best Drama” at the Emmys.
It has fine moments and awful ones , definitely a step down compared to 1-4 but not as catastrophic as 7 and 8 imo (even 6 is way overrated because of two last good episodes, its overall quite bad)
I don’t wan it
a nevah have
You mcqueen
“i don kno wat else i can say”
I was a teenage shesmahqueen
Same! It’s like they took a beautiful story and turned it into a meme. So disappointing.
In this case your circlejerky sub here has turned this line into a meme, it's only said loke 2 times or maybe 3.
I guess repeating a line at all was their mistake? But hey way to overblow it and then forget it was supposed to be a joke lololol
I’m a firm believer that if everyone loved King Bran we would’ve gotten winds.
Magic King Bran the lame was always the plan
I agree. I believe the reason GRRM was so butthurt about fans’ reaction to S8 is because that was his planned ending and he was offended because people hated it. He didn’t care about why people hated it, he only cared that people didn’t think the ending was good.
Then he shouldn't've handed it off to Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumbass. Those two fuckwits kInDa fOrGoR basically every character arc and motivation in the series
Bran becoming King isn't even THAT bad of an ending. It's everything leading up to it and pertaining to him in the show that sucks
If he's so unimportant to the rest of the ongoing stories that you can literally have an entire season without Bran in it, then he's not "ends up as king" material
Well everyone would be a popsicle if not for him, so idk?
King Bran would be fine if he manipulated his way to the throne rather than just HaVinG tHe bEsT sToRY
It would still be stupid as fuck.
GRRM built up like 4-5 interesting throne claimant characters through the span of multiple books with actual valid claims only for Bran to go "yoink, throne mine now actually "?
It's never going to be good even if he has finished winds and dream of spring.
I think as people said and I think I commented this on other posts talking about Bran that the ending in which Bran rules as King works best when he isn't the one sitting on the Iron Throne or ruling in any way whatsoever directly, perhaps fully becoming a Greenseer in the Isle of Faces, becoming Inmortal and controlling the Continent through his powers and skin changing the Kings to come, the hidden ruler, the one making all the decisions in the shadows, ruling for 1000 years and 1000 more to come
I highly doubt it. If GRRM specifically wanted King Bran like in the show, then that's that.
"Throne claimant" yawn
The notion that the story was building up to ""someone ending up on the throne"" was always just a dumb meme to begin with – from Robert to Joffrey, Tommen and Cersei, no one sitting on there seemed all that epic or worthy, so why was that supposed to be the case for whoever ended up on it at the end?
Cheryl had the most aura on it I suppose, and Daenerys would've at least brought back the AtC factor to the cool throne.
But yeah it gets melted, they still retain a monarchy (just an elective one now?), and just choose a cand to diffuse some post-war tensions – it's not some big epic thing at the end, and was never bound to be although it could've been too.
And in such a case, Bran the new magic ultra-prophet greenseer might be someone to usher in some kind of new age in such a position, but yeah it comes out of nowhere and contradicts previous lines on top of it.
If GRRM didn't want some "big epic thing at the end" then maybe he shouldn't have built up to a "big epic thing at the end".
He made a story about claimants to a throne fighting each other in a civil war to see who wins in the end, similar to the War of Roses in real life, which was his major inspiration. Naturally, his entire audience expects a similar conclusion.
To pivot from a medieval battle of thrones to see who wins just to have "this magic cripple is now king because I hate monarchy actually, so I just implement an elective surveillance state" after everything he has built up to the contrary so far is just genuinely rather shitty writing.
There's gonna be big epic but "who'll become king and last decades starting mcawesome dynasty" isn't necessarily gonna be part of it, although it could.
Big showdowns with Others/dragons/Euron/whoever else, wars and revolutions, that sure.
That's the meme version, but not really – the backstory was a rebellion mainly aiming to dethrone the current crazy tyrant, who was supposed to replace him wasn't that relevant, which is why a reluctant Robert ended up taking it due to some blood technicality.
Then sure, Joffrey and Cersei went for it, they wanted to become the next tyrants sitting on the cool throne; Littlefinger revealed having that ambition, Daenerys and Viserys wanted to reclaim their heritage, Margaery maybe, and idk what other scumbags?
Don't think Greyjoy wanted it? More like rule everyone from the Iron Islands.
But yeah ambitious obsessives or scumbags want the throne while good guys are just trying to counteract them and save the realm / avenge their family, that was really how the plot went – if that ended up involving one of the heroes becoming glorious KL King, then cool; or maybe they'd install a Robert/Tommen just to keep the peace, or whatever else.
The "King in the North" concept got more hype than that.
Bran's election did suck, for several reasons, just not this particular one.
Manipulated or not, his election should've either been based on some interpretation of inheritance, or his ultra-greenseer skills if everyone was in the mood for some kinda god-king (and not the southern 7 type either) – him just having a really cool adventure origin bio while btw having all those other traits, that was extremely bizarre.
People can rally around a compelling foundation myth or a leader with some impressive/archetypal biography, but in this context it was just clunky.
Especially if they had to appease the Daenerys team who were probably cranky about any Starks at that moment.
100%
I 100% believe that the ending we got is the finale George had planned, even if it’d be slightly better in the books (maybe)
I didn't mind Bran becoming the king at all, however the way we got there was so fucking stupid, along with the North breaking away anyways with Sansa, despite there literally being a Stark now o the iron throne.
I mind. Bran as king is dumb. He had no political influence among the seven kingdoms. Wasn’t known at all outside the north, besides being Ned’s crippled son. Makes no sense
Yeah well that's the point. It doesn't make any sense the way it was done. It would be cool to see him return from beyond the wall, actually see him do something, yk maybe destroy/fight/weaken the Night King and prove he is capable of insane political manipulations thanks to his abilities. Nobody would then dare to stand in his way to become the king and he would probably be a very competent king as well.
"I can't be a lord of anything" followed by "why do you think I came all this way?" with like a single sentence from him in between and a reasoning "WhO hAs a BetTeR StORy?" is plain bullshit.
One of the final scenes in Season 6 was where Littlefinger finally admitted to Sansa that what he had always wanted was the Iron Throne...AND her sitting beside him as his queen. Sansa likes being kowtowed to so eventually she probably decided "The hell with that. Why not me?!?!" Anyhow...
...in 8x06 Sansa knowingly made her own play for the Iron Throne when she took 5K troops to Kings Landingfor the Great Council, Her ploy became obvious when, just as her qualified Uncle Edmure was starting to make a case for himself, she rudely told him to sit down! Tyrion, who knows her motivations very well, may have realized what she was aiming for. That is when he made the case for the Council to grant Bran Stark the Iron throne. And they agreed. So Sansa picked up her marbles (except Arya and Brienne) and went back to rule the cold North and its "weathervane" lords.
Another and actually nice ideas on how to make an actual conflict between the Starks and not what we got with whatever was going on in S7.
The way it was made was so stupid, like Sansa trying to get her family together, while still let the Starks have some power. The way I percieved it was "ok now my brother is the king of the Seven kingdoms, but also independent North pls" and Bran was like "ok".
Seems to me what were they aiming for was to give every Stark character a nice and warm ending and that's about it.
Fuck it, everything about S8 is so stupid I'm so angry now again :((
The show went to shit with Season 5.
Anyone blind enough to not see the decline in quality and D&D going loose with the plot, deserved the later seasons to be dropped upon them.
A LOT of folks were still clapping their cheeks at S6, just bcs of stupid hype moments. A lot of eople consume shit content and still thank for it
Hell, people were still worshipping some of the dumbest writing to ever exist in Season 7.
Only reason the showplebs turned upon D&D was them finally hitting their favourite characters (Dany & Jon) with a rebar club.
I blame D&D but I also blame GRRM. Honest to god, today I see them as great adapters. Terrible writers, but great adapters. And they ran out of material. So what could they do?
By s5 and 6 they realized that they would have to finish the loose ends by themselves because no way even just winds would be done by then. So now they were tying the knots that GRRM never will and the quality decreased. I also think S5 was a clear step down, and it only got worse from there.
And that wasn't what D&D signed up for, so yeah it's still technically their fault and rush to finish it. But at least they did, GRRM never will. 14 years later it's clear he'll never finish winds.
They didnt run out of material though. They literally chose not to adapt material from two books and alter the storyline significantly in season 5.
Because it would lead all to dead ends. If you know GRRM isn't finishing it in the next 2 years or less (with production cycles), you need to kill it off yourself. And writing is not their forte as we all know.
I mean they would just be introducing plot points with no conclusion, like Aegon with Jon con. What would they even do with that besides just butchering it? I blame grrm more than d&d at this point. If WoW had released like 8 years ago, my opinion would be different
There was no reason to butcher Dorne, Stannis, Littlefinger & Sansa or kill of Barristan when they had content that ought to be adapted.
That's true they did barristan super dirty, although there isn't much to go off from Stannis. He's still marching in the books. I agree with u on dorne tho, having Jaime and bronn team up and go on adventures felt like a marvel movie (not in a good way).
Its impossible for Stannis to burn his daughter for Bolton's sake. He also gathers northerners to his cause. They stropped us of badass Manderly North remembers speech and made Manderly's traitors.
Stannis Northern campaign storyline was dumbed down, stolen for Season 6 and given to Jon Snow.
Season 7 is the worst offender. I even enjoy season 8 more, maybe because season 7 was so dumb (specially the last 3 episodes). After season 7 I lost my interest in the show. Thankfully, season 8 had some good visuals and was quick (which mean we didn't have time for dumb dialogue or filler) and I wanted to see how it ended.
This. Season 7 was one of the highest rated seasons… higher than some source material seasons. It’s so bizarre some “viewers” try to act like Season 8 was exponentially worse considering how bad Season 7 was.
As action fantasy with cool dialogue and reduced logic standards, the show has retained a high quality up until like the 2nd half of the final episode, so high ratings (by general viewers and critics, not those specifically measuring it all by "Asoiaf standards" or how they see those) aren't an inexplicable shock at all.
Disagree.
The Season 7 writing is simply not markedly better than the back half of the finale (which, admittedly, was not good.)
Jon and Dany go from despising each other to in bed in a matter of episodes. Davos 'smuggles' Tyrion, the most recognizable Most Wanted ever, onto an open beach in broad daylight where guards patrol. The wight hunt/Dany's magical appearance hours later. Whatever Winterfell was with Littlefinger and the Stark girls. Jaime falling from ground into an impossibly deep trench with seemingly no bottom, only to be magically rescused and somehow not pursued at all by the person he just tried to kill and whose father he killed years ago, causing her entire life's shitty events.
It's simply not deserving of such a high rated, and should have been a clear indicator of what was to come as opposed to one of the highest rated seasons.
So? They didn't "despise each other" to begin with, just started out with a hotheaded argument before calming down.
Then some conversations happen, then an epic rescue adventure, one thing leads to another as they say.
The bickering in the throne room probably made them hot too.
He hoped to avoid them, or if not to be able to distract them with bribes, and Tyrion looked different enough by this point so maybe that appeared plausible enough. Still, considering Cersei had been indiscriminately sending men to abduct/murder dwarfs, Tyrion should've been hiding in the boat somewhere and nor showing himself at all while they were around – and then they DO recognize him, but it's just 2 guards and they're easy to kill I guess.
What about it?
That got fumbled, yes; mediocre YA melodrama and hijinks.
Although a lot of Arya/Sansa had always been that, and a good deal of LF's schemes was just Iago'ing hotheaded aristocrats, so in a way it's all more of the same.
Well he disappeared below the water, eh.
And not sure Daenerys had recognized him at that point?
Anyway not sure what point you're making here.
Just to clear, you are claiming, with a straight face, that Dany never felt contempt for Jon in Season 7 Episode 3? And that Jon was totally happy being imprisoned on the island when his people needed him the most?
You have got to be trolling me with this nonsense.
Oh, read the rest of it... no way I can have a serious discussion with someone who clearly just wants to blindly defend all that nonsense... you're just proving that viewers were happy to gobble that slop up as long as their favorite characters weren't irreparably harmed and their final season fan fic was 'safe'.
There were tensions but not at that level and not of that nature, so you're massively exaggerating here.
Get the descriptions right and then you can act as smug about it as you want; so far that's far from being the case.
It was still bearable then...
Or people just have different opinions.
Could be that you’re not the arbiter of good content
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Actually, in season 4 you already can see some flaws.
Season 4*
Only questionable things there was Ramsay tbh... Unless you can bring something else up that I dont recall.
The writing was starting to decline there heavily. Being honest about the show in hindsight means realizing that we all were hyped af after two good and a great season and they knew they already sold.
The Thenns had some poor costuming, dialogue, etc. Didn’t match the impeccable feel from earlier
Huh what Thenns
They went south of the wall with Jon in season 4. Typical cringey barbarian dialogue
Uhhhh what, with Jon? In season 4? You mean 6? Don't remember Thenns there, thought the last one was in Hardhome?
Jon, Ygritte and company climbed the wall from north to south in the end of Season 3. In Season 4 they were raiding south of the wall and bumped into Thenn wildlings who had also climbed the wall. Ygritte’s group and the Thenns then attacked Castle Black in Season 4
Styr's Thenns joined Tormund and Ygritte way after Jon had left, either I have turbo dementia or that was the 1st time they met (or we saw) any Thenns.
Yeah it was probably after Jon left, but definitely in Season 4. They attacked Castle Black together
What exactly counts as middle here?
Literally ST5 right now.
It's not even that most of the season 8 plot points were bad (the way death of Rhaegal happened, the secession of the North and the elective monarchy were stupid, I admit, though). It is just they never got beyond the bulletpoints snd rushed it.
I didnt see what subreddit this was when I saw the post. I saved it because I was going to repost it. In this subreddit.
Anyone pretending like the third column was just as good as the first half of the show (seasons 1-4) are delusional, as Seasons 5 and 6 where simply not written well. Yes, Season 6 ends on some bangers that buoy that season, but overall those two seasons do no deserve to have that third column be just as good as the previous ones.
I like hores
“The end” part of this drawing is already better written than the shit we got
It’s too easy to see, needs to be 20 times darker
Im rewatching the show for the first time since it aired and you can see the sharp decline in season 5. Theres so much going on and at the same time nothing happening. I know im just going to get more and more upset as I keep watching.
And for God's sake that sand snake dialogue, Jesus christ.
it didnt worked
People really though season five was good? It’s in the bottom half of the bottom half of the seasons. I can’t believe that was the first year it won “Best Drama” at the Emmys.
It has fine moments and awful ones , definitely a step down compared to 1-4 but not as catastrophic as 7 and 8 imo (even 6 is way overrated because of two last good episodes, its overall quite bad)
True! It felt like they rushed the ending and forgot all the buildup. What a disappointment!
I was halfway through season 9 when I slipped into this stupid universe where they only made 8 seasons and season 8 was horrible :(
Started off as a majestic fantasy novel, ended as a kindergartener's art project. That plot twist tho... 😂