Xanax is a hard no for me because it makes me lose blocks of time.
Many years ago a friend came over to hang out one evening and gave me a xanax. My next memory is waking up on the couch at 3am to a TV playing static. Other people were passed out on the couch and loveseat. Empty pizza boxes on the kitchen table. After much ruminating, all I could recall was one vague brief snippet of the pizza box being opened and reaching for a slice. That's all that remained of an entire evening of apparently hanging out and watching movies.
Another time a friend was throwing a huge house party. I came over to help her set up. She gave me a xanax. Next memory is waking up on the couch the morning after. Apparently I had a great time, was the life of the party, and made new friends who asked her for my number so we could hang out again. I remember none of it.
So yeah, xanax or roofie - Not much difference to me. When I finally saw "The Hangover", I completely understood where they were coming from.
Why do people think Xanax makes you high? I took it with a prescription for a long time. It either makes you calm or if you take more it makes you sleepy. It’s not really a “fun” drug unless you have crippling anxiety and you find pleasure in not having it anymore.
It's one the few things that snaps me out of a seizure or calms down from it. My epilepsy is anxiety and stress induced. So I welcome anything that would keep me calm and crying.
I’m not arguing philosophy here .scientifically, many drugs are addictive. Their chemistry creates dependence, tolerance, and withdrawal. People struggle with addiction because the substances themselves have addictive properties.
That is wholly untrue and it's the biggest myth around drugs and addiction. Gambling is a perfectly accepted form of addiction and no one blames a deck of cards. If drugs were inherently addictive, doctors could not prescribe opioids to anyone because near everyone who took them would become addicted. Same for Adderall.
During the Vietnam war, some 20% of American soldiers were addicted to heroine and their life was chaos. They had no direction or understanding of why they were fighting. They were watching their friends die for nothing. When they came home that number dropped to around 1% with no intervention. They regained meaning and ceased a need to escape. There's a reason every addiction counseling program is about talk therapy and getting past trauma instead of a mere detox.
Rats were tested with heroine laced water. When the rat was in a stressful and isolated environment, it showed clear signs of addiction. When placed in a large, open, and social environment, it showed no preference for the heroine water. The study is called Rat Park if you want to read it.
Drugs are not addictive. People and up in shitty situations and mental states they try to avoid by succumbing to addictions.
Addiction is not purely about personal weakness or environment.
Drugs differ in their chemical addictive potential heroin has much higher rates of dependence than cannabis. People may fight addiction successfully or not, but we cannot deny the neurobiological properties of drugs that create physical dependence, tolerance, and withdrawal.
Addiction happens when biological vulnerability, environment, and the drug’s own properties all interact
Bro I don’t have time for this. Argue with ChatGPT about addiction, tolerance, dependence, and withdrawal and it’ll give you an endless list of references, textbooks, research, and logic. Environmental and personal factors are real sure but none of that cancels out the biological side of addiction.
There is no myth, I think you're getting some things confused.
Here's an example to incorporate your point, and invalidate it without opening google.
I usedto smoke a shitton of weed. Every waking second.
Yet it was not weed I was addicted to. I stopped smoking weed, and replaced it with food or any other obsessive fixation.
I was/am addicted to anything that would make me feel good and distract me from the shitty reality.
Weed could be replaced by anything.
Now.
I've had super stable friends/family that had no worries in life. Free spirited and have the "fk it, why not, would try anything once" mentality. That mentality got them actually addicted to a single substance that would physically fk them up if they stop taking it.
Their addiction was purely to the substance, not wanting to escape reality, not the feeling the substance gave them. One of them cried when they told me how much they hated it, but they can't stop. The only way was rehabilitation.
The watered down shit that you get from doctors is not the same as illegally acquired substances.
But yes, there are those that are more severe and addictive than others, and is the reason why schedule levels exist.
Physical dependency caused by a drug, is quite literally addiction. Doesn't matter how you feel about it.
Seeing what certain drugs can do to people is insane.
Honestly, I don't know why I wasted my time with this. It just felt personal when you basically invalidated very real struggles.
Physical dependancy is a different beast. I am not trying to invalidate anyone and MAT is a god send for people with physical dependancy but it is NOT addiction. Addiction is when you are incapable of stopping yourself regardless of attempt, and yes physical dependancy is similar but if your people did not get sick from not taking it they would stop taking it, yes? That's what separates it. Addicts would never give up their drug/behavior on their own just because they detoxed. You can be addicted and have physical dependancy or have one or the other.
I don't see how your example invalidates my claim, if anything it supports it. You can get addicted to anything that gives you a good feeling. So you're saying you can get addicted without a drug. Aka an addiction to dopamine. That's what all addictions are based on. That is why it is not the drug in and of itself. I reiterate, if drugs caused addiction on their own, how can doctors prescribe or administer any opioids?
Addiction basically bypasses your PFC so you are not afforded you the opportunity to say no because your decision making part of the brain did not get a chance to weigh in. If your people who were physically dependant were offered the drug right now, would they be in serious danger of taking it? If yes, there's a good chance they're addicted. If no, they're not and we're not addicted, they simply needed it to stop their body from attacking them which is still a serious problem and should be treated with respect.
Addiction requires relapse, lying, and guilt about the lying to hide the usage or spending of resources. If they were able to get off and stay off the first time, they did not relapse. You have to come off the substance and swear off it then go back to it because you are completely unable to stop yourself on a mental level.
Schedule levels are not based on "addictive strength" they are based on "how much could this be used to help someone vs how much harm does it do" but I think we can all agree that schedule levels are political bullshit, unless you agree that weed and all its derivatives including CBD have 0 capability of providing a single benefit, because that's what schedule 1 is.
I have read medical journals on this. I have studied books written by doctors who have worked with addiction for over 30 years. I have looked into effective methods to treat addiction and read why harm reduction is one of the most effective tools. I have done actual, clinical research and discussed the merits and validity with addiction counselors. I'm not talking out of my ass about this. I've also provided very real examples that no one seems to want to touch, namely the Vietnam one. How on earth did we have ⅕ of our soldiers addicted to heroine, "one of the most addictive drugs," only to have that number almost completely evaporate when they were restored a meaning in their life? Why do rats not talk give a shit about drugs if they have powerfully emotionally stable and pleasant places to live? Why are almost all addicts found in shit neighborhoods where life is hard as fuck? I have sympathy for addicts because first off I am very much one myself (not to a drug), but also because there is so much misinformation out there it's makes helping them extremely difficult. And addiction has nothing to do with weakness, it by no means it's a statement to a person's resolve, I don't know where the other guy got that.
As for your friends being chill and not having a lot of trauma to cover (assuming, based on your small description, sorry if I'm incorrect), if they were in fact addicted then there are always going to be exceptions to every rule. Some people who are at a minimal risk to develop addiction develop it after one use, and since people who are at an extremely high chance of developing it never do. Brains are weird.
I would not say that a gambler is to blame for their addiction, I'd say it's the fault of casinos/brokers for creating addicting environments that keep people hooked. It's not as easy as having a good mental state and being able to quit.
Words are irrelevant, it's the concept you're suggesting that is important. And I think it's valid.
You need the right people to listen to what you're saying.
They have already decided what the word 'addiction' means to them. So, you first have to use a different word to introduce the concept, then you can migrate the meaning.
I am so not wasting those on my family.
Right? Only need one for yourself to give no fucks, and if you're anything like me, also possibly forget the entire evening ever happened.
Can I come? Looks like a great time.
r/foundanangel
r/subsithoughtifellfor
r/foundtheantisatan is the real sub
Oh snap, thanks!
"real"
My excitement shifted to disappointment so fast I think I got whiplash.
So where can I get some of these?
For a friend right?
There should be a big punch bowl of these at the doorway to every family gathering!!!!
Just to state the obvious, Xanax does not come in candy form (at least not legally)
Well shit, so much for my Christmas plans. Guess it's NyQuil in the punch bowl again this year
That's not Satan. That's just good sense.
Also, can I get a bunch of these in my Christmas stocking please?
“How many blocks does it take to get to the Xanax center of Xanax Pop? One! Two! Thridontgiveafuck…..”
This is the opposite of what satan would do
Hi cousin, know we haven’t talked in 34 years or ever but how are you??
If you're just giving some away maybe I can swing by?
We hand out gummies and prerolls but I'd be down with the xanipop
At least it just Xanax and not Rohypnol.
Xanax is a hard no for me because it makes me lose blocks of time.
Many years ago a friend came over to hang out one evening and gave me a xanax. My next memory is waking up on the couch at 3am to a TV playing static. Other people were passed out on the couch and loveseat. Empty pizza boxes on the kitchen table. After much ruminating, all I could recall was one vague brief snippet of the pizza box being opened and reaching for a slice. That's all that remained of an entire evening of apparently hanging out and watching movies.
Another time a friend was throwing a huge house party. I came over to help her set up. She gave me a xanax. Next memory is waking up on the couch the morning after. Apparently I had a great time, was the life of the party, and made new friends who asked her for my number so we could hang out again. I remember none of it.
So yeah, xanax or roofie - Not much difference to me. When I finally saw "The Hangover", I completely understood where they were coming from.
If someone's handing out that at a party, I'm leaving and I'm never going back.
If someone is handing those out at a party, you're probably waking up chained to a radiator in the basement.
Again?
That's why she's never coming back, she'll be happier there.
Maybe avoid the Cosby house
I'll take 8!
OP misspelled r/foundsanta
That honestly sounds like a great idea for my coworkers.
For free‽‽
found Jesus
What is xanax
next hand out aripiprazole
The doctor that thought it would be good to prescribe me that during work hours was crazy but I'd absolutely go for some recreationally on weekends.
r/founddanhentschel
OMG that would be fucking sweet
Why do people think Xanax makes you high? I took it with a prescription for a long time. It either makes you calm or if you take more it makes you sleepy. It’s not really a “fun” drug unless you have crippling anxiety and you find pleasure in not having it anymore.
It's one the few things that snaps me out of a seizure or calms down from it. My epilepsy is anxiety and stress induced. So I welcome anything that would keep me calm and crying.
is that a laxative?
Powerful anti anxiety
With high potential for addiction dependence and tolerance
And can cause withdrawal symptoms in case of abrupt discontinuation
Drugs are not addictive, people become addicted
Physical dependancy and addiction are also not the same thing
Edit: Please read my below comment before disagreeing with this
I’m not arguing philosophy here .scientifically, many drugs are addictive. Their chemistry creates dependence, tolerance, and withdrawal. People struggle with addiction because the substances themselves have addictive properties.
That is wholly untrue and it's the biggest myth around drugs and addiction. Gambling is a perfectly accepted form of addiction and no one blames a deck of cards. If drugs were inherently addictive, doctors could not prescribe opioids to anyone because near everyone who took them would become addicted. Same for Adderall.
During the Vietnam war, some 20% of American soldiers were addicted to heroine and their life was chaos. They had no direction or understanding of why they were fighting. They were watching their friends die for nothing. When they came home that number dropped to around 1% with no intervention. They regained meaning and ceased a need to escape. There's a reason every addiction counseling program is about talk therapy and getting past trauma instead of a mere detox.
Rats were tested with heroine laced water. When the rat was in a stressful and isolated environment, it showed clear signs of addiction. When placed in a large, open, and social environment, it showed no preference for the heroine water. The study is called Rat Park if you want to read it.
Drugs are not addictive. People and up in shitty situations and mental states they try to avoid by succumbing to addictions.
Addiction is not purely about personal weakness or environment.
Drugs differ in their chemical addictive potential heroin has much higher rates of dependence than cannabis. People may fight addiction successfully or not, but we cannot deny the neurobiological properties of drugs that create physical dependence, tolerance, and withdrawal.
Addiction happens when biological vulnerability, environment, and the drug’s own properties all interact
He said, completely disregarding ever example I provided while giving no source of his own
Bro I don’t have time for this. Argue with ChatGPT about addiction, tolerance, dependence, and withdrawal and it’ll give you an endless list of references, textbooks, research, and logic. Environmental and personal factors are real sure but none of that cancels out the biological side of addiction.
"Argue with chatGPT" well that certainly tells me why you're so confidently incorrect
There is no myth, I think you're getting some things confused.
Here's an example to incorporate your point, and invalidate it without opening google.
I usedto smoke a shitton of weed. Every waking second. Yet it was not weed I was addicted to. I stopped smoking weed, and replaced it with food or any other obsessive fixation. I was/am addicted to anything that would make me feel good and distract me from the shitty reality. Weed could be replaced by anything.
Now.
I've had super stable friends/family that had no worries in life. Free spirited and have the "fk it, why not, would try anything once" mentality. That mentality got them actually addicted to a single substance that would physically fk them up if they stop taking it. Their addiction was purely to the substance, not wanting to escape reality, not the feeling the substance gave them. One of them cried when they told me how much they hated it, but they can't stop. The only way was rehabilitation.
The watered down shit that you get from doctors is not the same as illegally acquired substances. But yes, there are those that are more severe and addictive than others, and is the reason why schedule levels exist.
Physical dependency caused by a drug, is quite literally addiction. Doesn't matter how you feel about it. Seeing what certain drugs can do to people is insane.
Honestly, I don't know why I wasted my time with this. It just felt personal when you basically invalidated very real struggles.
Physical dependancy is a different beast. I am not trying to invalidate anyone and MAT is a god send for people with physical dependancy but it is NOT addiction. Addiction is when you are incapable of stopping yourself regardless of attempt, and yes physical dependancy is similar but if your people did not get sick from not taking it they would stop taking it, yes? That's what separates it. Addicts would never give up their drug/behavior on their own just because they detoxed. You can be addicted and have physical dependancy or have one or the other.
I don't see how your example invalidates my claim, if anything it supports it. You can get addicted to anything that gives you a good feeling. So you're saying you can get addicted without a drug. Aka an addiction to dopamine. That's what all addictions are based on. That is why it is not the drug in and of itself. I reiterate, if drugs caused addiction on their own, how can doctors prescribe or administer any opioids?
Addiction basically bypasses your PFC so you are not afforded you the opportunity to say no because your decision making part of the brain did not get a chance to weigh in. If your people who were physically dependant were offered the drug right now, would they be in serious danger of taking it? If yes, there's a good chance they're addicted. If no, they're not and we're not addicted, they simply needed it to stop their body from attacking them which is still a serious problem and should be treated with respect.
Addiction requires relapse, lying, and guilt about the lying to hide the usage or spending of resources. If they were able to get off and stay off the first time, they did not relapse. You have to come off the substance and swear off it then go back to it because you are completely unable to stop yourself on a mental level.
Schedule levels are not based on "addictive strength" they are based on "how much could this be used to help someone vs how much harm does it do" but I think we can all agree that schedule levels are political bullshit, unless you agree that weed and all its derivatives including CBD have 0 capability of providing a single benefit, because that's what schedule 1 is.
I have read medical journals on this. I have studied books written by doctors who have worked with addiction for over 30 years. I have looked into effective methods to treat addiction and read why harm reduction is one of the most effective tools. I have done actual, clinical research and discussed the merits and validity with addiction counselors. I'm not talking out of my ass about this. I've also provided very real examples that no one seems to want to touch, namely the Vietnam one. How on earth did we have ⅕ of our soldiers addicted to heroine, "one of the most addictive drugs," only to have that number almost completely evaporate when they were restored a meaning in their life? Why do rats not talk give a shit about drugs if they have powerfully emotionally stable and pleasant places to live? Why are almost all addicts found in shit neighborhoods where life is hard as fuck? I have sympathy for addicts because first off I am very much one myself (not to a drug), but also because there is so much misinformation out there it's makes helping them extremely difficult. And addiction has nothing to do with weakness, it by no means it's a statement to a person's resolve, I don't know where the other guy got that.
As for your friends being chill and not having a lot of trauma to cover (assuming, based on your small description, sorry if I'm incorrect), if they were in fact addicted then there are always going to be exceptions to every rule. Some people who are at a minimal risk to develop addiction develop it after one use, and since people who are at an extremely high chance of developing it never do. Brains are weird.
I would not say that a gambler is to blame for their addiction, I'd say it's the fault of casinos/brokers for creating addicting environments that keep people hooked. It's not as easy as having a good mental state and being able to quit.
I'm not blaming the gambler I'm using it as an example to say people can get addicted without drugs, ie drugs are not what's addictive
I agree with what I think your point is, that having a meaningful conversation about addiction requires its own vernacular.
No. Please read my below comment. Drugs are not inherently addictive
Words are irrelevant, it's the concept you're suggesting that is important. And I think it's valid.
You need the right people to listen to what you're saying.
They have already decided what the word 'addiction' means to them. So, you first have to use a different word to introduce the concept, then you can migrate the meaning.
Psychotropic drug. For mental health issues.
It's for anxiety.
Thx. But, that is a symptom of mental health issues though. I suffer from a handful myself, and anxiety is definitely part of it.
There should be a big punch bowl of these at the doorway to every family gathering!!!!
All peaceful until one who has past trauma or serious mental disorder wouldn’t bode well with Xanax.
Nah...hand em out on Halloween...