So many of them are child-adjacent to my eyes. It's something about the design language; the eyes & size of the heads put me off more than any lack of curves. Jean & Rosaria look like a 12 year olds with tits to me.
True. I knew a 25 hear old woman who was built like a 4'8" tall, 13 year old girl in college. I remember being attracted to her, but I was her friend for two years, & I met her in a creative writing class, so I was afforded a window into her mind.
That said, she was & is the only child-like woman I've ever known in the flesh. The reason she was seemingly underdeveloped in certain physical aspects was because she endured a period of malnutrition growing up, & those starving years haunted her.
Which isn't to say I think Genshin is necessarily promoting childhood malnutrition for the sake of beauty. More that - again to me - the big head, big eyes & narrow shoulders don't look feminine to me, but childish.
I had a friend myself who looked young for her age. So much so in fact, that a waitress from IHOP mistook her for a kid and gave her crayons along with a page from a coloring book. She was 26 when that happened. We had a good laugh about it and she just rolled with it and used what was given to her.
There was also this Latina back at my old job that was basically the size of a min height female Au ra. So it’s really weird that the people that downvoted you thinks that these people do not exist. Asians exist for crying out loud. And they are often the first example.
no but character models had varying glutes. We had less control over our character models than we do now but there was more variance in body shape. We did gain the bust slider, but now all of our asses are flat.
1.0 did not have a butt slider. That has never been a thing. People ask for one now because the character models had substantially rounder and bigger butts naturally.
1.0 didn't even have bust sliders, it was tied to your face. Except for miqo'te, in which case it was dependent on Moonie vs Seeker if I recall correctly.
Huh. I'm sure I pretty vividly remember it. But you may be right, I've tried to find evidence that it existed but I cannot. Other people seem to remember it too, though. Maybe I've discovered a new Mandela effect? 😅
They're Japanese. Historically, their beauty standard (which would obviously influence their design choices), prefers slim girls with almost boyishly flat un-curvy bodies. Its really only us westerners who like big butts and we cannot lie.
There's a lot of Japanese artists that appreciate thicc women. It's all over manga and anime figures, but it rarely makes it to animation. The only notable character that has thick thighs for example is Rikka from SSS Gridman. the fact that her character design alone has made her super popular despite the show not being as popular as other shows should tell them that people want such characters.
What's crazy is that manga version of characters will be really thick and curvy and so will the figures of the characters. But when they're made into anime characters, they become skinny.
Oh I just remembered some more thick characters that have been animated that way, A few of the women in Queen's Blade. Cattleya being the most well known example. There's also Melpha the nun who does "holy poses". There might be a few more, but most that are on the verge are really just average in size with giant monster boobs.
With all that said, none of them really have big butts...they have the thick thighs and wide hips...their butts are still relatively flatter than they should be 99% of the time. There's a few figures I've seen where this isn't the case.
It's the same reason why their beards are almost always close-cropped (and generally very thin) if they're allowed and body hair is nonexistent: Japanese beauty standards have long held that excess body hair and facial hair is "dirty." The ideal man has more slender, narrow features, could pass as a woman if dolled up, and carries little-to-no excess bulk. Even being getting up to Twunk status is negative compared to the Twink beauty standard.
You complain because the asses are flat (which tbf, they are). I complain because the texture of the jumpsuit material makes it look like it's made out if balloons. We are not the same.
For real though, why the hell are they so afraid of butts?? Are they worried that anything with more definition than a 2x4 is going to hypersexualize the character??
I often wonder if the people who made these designs watched a lot of anime in the 90s and developed a taste. Those book-shaped butts are giving me flashbacks to some classics.
I think it's mostly hips. Overall Garnet was oddly proportioned, as were most of the characters in 9, but those odd proportions make that outfit in particular just work.
Honestly, yes it's bigger but somehow her pants are tighter. Girl was crossing the entirety of Gaia with a full wedgie. If the XIV models got the wedgie it'd be more comparable.
garnet has been such a big part of my life for a long time, it feels expected of me to get this for my 14 character.
but…. butt I can agree this is pretty bad
Problem with mods is most of them are crazy in the opposite direction, Bibo looks fine but then the 10,000 offshoots of it do ridiculous proportions that don't fit the game's aesthetic at all or make you wonder if the modder has ever seen a real body.
That’s because everyone seems to think their version is the perfect version of “realism” or sexy combined with their personal identity. Unfortunately that tends to leave you kinda dry on unified options for gear.
A game like Skyrim handles this via body slide that allows you to alter all the gear to match whatever derivative body you’ve made from the prime body. Quite convenient but alas, not something we have here. 😔
No fam, this is proof they don't know what they're doing. If they knew what they were doing they would have delivered some damn cake. Bih look at that catboy on the right. This a travesty.
it's not. most gear respects it - you can try it yourself in glamourer. it just behaves more like "bust scaling factor, relative to how much each piece of gear can scale" rather than "breast size"
Can confirm I’ve compared the same glams with some of my friends to see how different they look. I have the smallest bust out of everyone and it definitely showed in all the glams we tested
People ignore the breast slider? I like that it’s in the game. When I made my Viera I knew I wanted to main warrior so her breasts are on the smaller side because she’s more “athletic” in my headcannon.
I will never forget listening to a retro games podcast a while back and they were covering FFIX, and one of the hosts described Garnet's model as having 'the most lovingly modeled ass' she had ever seen in her life.
FF9 was my first FF game. And I've always been a "nice ass" girl. I am disappointed but not surprised. Very few JP MMO let you have anything other than a pancake. And if they do, only in a way that would make your hips break door frames.
Like, honestly, do they really think we wanted outfits that reference Final Fantasy? OBVIOUSLY what the people want is the 17th cyber punk windbreaker that if you squint really hard almost looks different from every other cyberpunk windbreaker they've released over the last two years. I feel so betrayed!
Has there been a mmorpg game where anyone had a decent backside? Every game always focuses on the front for women and I’ve seen ones with the male toons that don’t look like a Ken doll from the waist down, but I don’t remember a decent ass for male or female toons.
PSO2 does NOT have a good butt slider. It has a nice ranged hip slider. But your only options are massive hips and big butt or narrow hips and small butt. And as a girl with different proportions than that, nothing I could do fit.
I’m a World of Warcraft vet so some of the lingo is still in my vocabulary.
Also I don’t get why you are judging me on this since player characters carry different names depending on the game. Toon, alt, avatar, WOL, PC, hero, etc. Is there a taboo on it or am I being judged for using a different but common term?
Nope. That’s a Hank Hill butt.
Longest back ive ever seen.
It's like when people say Genshin characters are thicc
They haven't look/play zenless zone zero
So many of them are child-adjacent to my eyes. It's something about the design language; the eyes & size of the heads put me off more than any lack of curves. Jean & Rosaria look like a 12 year olds with tits to me.
googles what they look like
This character looks 12 to you?
Sounds like projection bro. Jean looks like a 12 year old to you?
They're not child adjacent, that's weird af. It is a very cutesy style though and I much prefer ZZZ or Wuwa's design language instead.
So do some 21 year olds. It's not unrealistic, whether you find it attractive shouldn't be relevant.
Sorry, what?
Yes. There are women in their 20s that look 12. This shouldn't be news to anyone.
True. I knew a 25 hear old woman who was built like a 4'8" tall, 13 year old girl in college. I remember being attracted to her, but I was her friend for two years, & I met her in a creative writing class, so I was afforded a window into her mind.
That said, she was & is the only child-like woman I've ever known in the flesh. The reason she was seemingly underdeveloped in certain physical aspects was because she endured a period of malnutrition growing up, & those starving years haunted her.
Which isn't to say I think Genshin is necessarily promoting childhood malnutrition for the sake of beauty. More that - again to me - the big head, big eyes & narrow shoulders don't look feminine to me, but childish.
"Hidden due to score" huh I wonder why...
Oooooh that's why. Okay.
hidden because this subreddit, like many others, hides points for the first bit of comments being posted.
Downvoted because people think women in their 20s who look 12 is not a thing. Ok. Whatever.
Wait, you were being downvoted for that?
I had a friend myself who looked young for her age. So much so in fact, that a waitress from IHOP mistook her for a kid and gave her crayons along with a page from a coloring book. She was 26 when that happened. We had a good laugh about it and she just rolled with it and used what was given to her.
There was also this Latina back at my old job that was basically the size of a min height female Au ra. So it’s really weird that the people that downvoted you thinks that these people do not exist. Asians exist for crying out loud. And they are often the first example.
Self reporting on a gaming subreddit is crazy work
Self reporting what?
"Mr. Anaconda, what do you think?"
"Don't want none."
False. The one on the left is, in fact, a bun, hun.
I love your mind.
I tell ya hwutt
Like the opposite of the 2b outfit
Man.
Yorha Butt really ruined it for us huh.
I miss 1.0 butt sliders.
There were butt sliders in 1.0?!
no but character models had varying glutes. We had less control over our character models than we do now but there was more variance in body shape. We did gain the bust slider, but now all of our asses are flat.
We need to demand body sliders in general.
If you jump into Champions Online, one of the few MMOs with a full set of bodysliders, you'll see like 70% of players max out the thigh slider.
Yup, it was the biggest thing taken from us in the Calamity. :(
1.0 did not have a butt slider. That has never been a thing. People ask for one now because the character models had substantially rounder and bigger butts naturally.
1.0 didn't even have bust sliders, it was tied to your face. Except for miqo'te, in which case it was dependent on Moonie vs Seeker if I recall correctly.
Huh. I'm sure I pretty vividly remember it. But you may be right, I've tried to find evidence that it existed but I cannot. Other people seem to remember it too, though. Maybe I've discovered a new Mandela effect? 😅
“You think it unfair? That your asses would be sacrificed for the ancients?”
Behold negative ass
Concave ass
Concass
🤭
Hank hill ass
Ass erasure!
Makes me want pancakes for some reason.
Diminished glutes.
Release the buttslider
Looooong, Long Back.
how did we go from nier asses to this
why does square enix hate ass
They're Japanese. Historically, their beauty standard (which would obviously influence their design choices), prefers slim girls with almost boyishly flat un-curvy bodies. Its really only us westerners who like big butts and we cannot lie.
There's a lot of Japanese artists that appreciate thicc women. It's all over manga and anime figures, but it rarely makes it to animation. The only notable character that has thick thighs for example is Rikka from SSS Gridman. the fact that her character design alone has made her super popular despite the show not being as popular as other shows should tell them that people want such characters.
What's crazy is that manga version of characters will be really thick and curvy and so will the figures of the characters. But when they're made into anime characters, they become skinny.
Oh I just remembered some more thick characters that have been animated that way, A few of the women in Queen's Blade. Cattleya being the most well known example. There's also Melpha the nun who does "holy poses". There might be a few more, but most that are on the verge are really just average in size with giant monster boobs.
With all that said, none of them really have big butts...they have the thick thighs and wide hips...their butts are still relatively flatter than they should be 99% of the time. There's a few figures I've seen where this isn't the case.
It's the same reason why their beards are almost always close-cropped (and generally very thin) if they're allowed and body hair is nonexistent: Japanese beauty standards have long held that excess body hair and facial hair is "dirty." The ideal man has more slender, narrow features, could pass as a woman if dolled up, and carries little-to-no excess bulk. Even being getting up to Twunk status is negative compared to the Twink beauty standard.
You complain because the asses are flat (which tbf, they are). I complain because the texture of the jumpsuit material makes it look like it's made out if balloons. We are not the same.
For real though, why the hell are they so afraid of butts?? Are they worried that anything with more definition than a 2x4 is going to hypersexualize the character??
I often wonder if the people who made these designs watched a lot of anime in the 90s and developed a taste. Those book-shaped butts are giving me flashbacks to some classics.
They're Japanese and the lead designers are likely gen X so they almost certainly watched a lot of anime in the 90s, so honestly makes alot of sense
Japan huge proportions has not been as popular there as west it's still more Niche in JP culture, much like why we don't have beards or tattoos.
If only they are using the homedepot 2x4s as standard.
"NSFW"
😂😂😂
Saddest butts in video game history
XIV characters just do not have Garnet’s ass volume to pull this off. They need like triple the ass
I think it's mostly hips. Overall Garnet was oddly proportioned, as were most of the characters in 9, but those odd proportions make that outfit in particular just work.
Steiner was peak male performance xD
I want his eyeliner.
You sure you're not remembering a certain kind of fan art?
:)
Honestly, yes it's bigger but somehow her pants are tighter. Girl was crossing the entirety of Gaia with a full wedgie. If the XIV models got the wedgie it'd be more comparable.
0 x 3 is still zero, depending on glam choices you are multiplying negative numbers here...
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Mog station people do not know what they are doing
"Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all! Nothing at all! Nothing at all-"
garnet has been such a big part of my life for a long time, it feels expected of me to get this for my 14 character. but…. butt I can agree this is pretty bad
Ooh soft
sadly this is flater than Garnet's ass
Aah!
"World not complicated place. World only have two things: Things you can eat and things you no can eat." - Quina
Looks like someone ate that booty and didn't leave leftovers
Ooh, flat :sob:
That is not the Ass of Alexandria.
"Ooo, soft."
The ass is an innie
That's just depressing, can't trust them to do a fan artist's job
A fartists job
I see you also have portmanteau disease.
This basically just tells me they want the mods to do the rest of the job
Pretty much. It's like the first thing I check for before I bother with any new outfit.
Has a mod been made for it yet that corrects it to actually have curves?
Like, I don't need anything crazy. I just don't want to look like a stick figure.
Im more or less androgynous leaning and even I find this depressing
Problem with mods is most of them are crazy in the opposite direction, Bibo looks fine but then the 10,000 offshoots of it do ridiculous proportions that don't fit the game's aesthetic at all or make you wonder if the modder has ever seen a real body.
That’s because everyone seems to think their version is the perfect version of “realism” or sexy combined with their personal identity. Unfortunately that tends to leave you kinda dry on unified options for gear.
A game like Skyrim handles this via body slide that allows you to alter all the gear to match whatever derivative body you’ve made from the prime body. Quite convenient but alas, not something we have here. 😔
Having seen fan artists for this game, that's probably for the best. Steam offers plenty of games that do that job these days.
This is the first time I recall seeing Lalas having distinguishable butts.
This is the first and last bit of butter they'll give us potatoes D:
No fam, this is proof they don't know what they're doing. If they knew what they were doing they would have delivered some damn cake. Bih look at that catboy on the right. This a travesty.
That's a catgirl...
FFXIV is full of pancake assess. Until they rectify this huge oversize, my fem roe will be disappointed
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Look how they massacred my boy!
Pancake ass
Zidane crashing out over this.
It’s 2026, we need butt sliders and dong sliders
Don’t be cowards
Why? So it can be ignored by 99% of gear like the breast one?
it's not. most gear respects it - you can try it yourself in glamourer. it just behaves more like "bust scaling factor, relative to how much each piece of gear can scale" rather than "breast size"
Can confirm I’ve compared the same glams with some of my friends to see how different they look. I have the smallest bust out of everyone and it definitely showed in all the glams we tested
People ignore the breast slider? I like that it’s in the game. When I made my Viera I knew I wanted to main warrior so her breasts are on the smaller side because she’s more “athletic” in my headcannon.
most gear itself ignores the slider and flattens your chest
It doesn't, but a lot of players don't understand how constricting attire can make a girl look flatter than she is.
Oh no kidding? I knew some of the armor did but I thought it was just a one-off.
No, they mean a lot of the gear ignores the breast slider value and has a default breast size.
Ohhhhh I didn’t even realize that.
Nah, people are just confidently wrong. You can check if you have the /glamourer mod. Just about everything is affected by the breast slider.
And don't make them genderlocked
My female miqo needs a massive dong
To tank with right?
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The cake really was a lie.
You guys really starving eh
Modders will fix it. But yeah this really ... falls flat, you could say.
I will never forget listening to a retro games podcast a while back and they were covering FFIX, and one of the hosts described Garnet's model as having 'the most lovingly modeled ass' she had ever seen in her life.
You mean the Miqo'te blocking the view of her ass with her tail?
if she really had ass her tail wouldn't matter cuz ud still be able to see it
Nah, it sucks.
The only way to get a decent ass in this game without mods is using the yorha glamour
Really? Because all i see is no butt.It looks like Hank Hill ass
Nope, that is the flattest ass i have ever seen. XD
... Issat a well-defined Lala butt?
That's one of the worst backsides I've ever seen.
Soft...
Still no ff9 remaster announced.
Give me a booty slider or give me death.
Butt slider now!
Threads like this remind me hiw asexual I am, yall notice butt sizes??
I like a good posterior like anyone, but man this comment section is pornbrained.
I mean half the fan art that gets posted in this sub is just softcore porn
Ok, but in our defense, we are playing a game with cat girls, bunny girls, giant women, and dragon girls. Also everyone is pretty, even the men.
Especially the men!
I'm straight and I feel things when around Urianger.
True. There has been several boss fights in which I question why they turned hot.
Right? My immediate thought was, "GASP GARNET OUTFIT."
Many of them are probably modbeasts that have stretched their characters into horrifying proportions which they think looks amazing.
I've said this before but I've seen two-by-fours with more curves than XIV characters. Even I have more ass and hips than this and I don't even try.
This is uncomfortable to look at for some reason.
This has to be one of the worst looking sets they've ever released
Buttslider is needed because none of the races have an ass to show off sadly.
No.
I mean....I guess? Should have said "Great" from every angle. Better than "Your ass has never looked flatter!" though.
I can't believe they erased Garnet's ass...
this is why everyone runs around with the 2b butt. That should just be the default. Can't be that hard to do... fk
Sad AF
so soft
Got it on both bun boy and lizard girl, unfortunately both are just as flat from behind
All bunboys need a big ass just sayin'
Real and true, they already got a snatched waist and hips, this is the final piece
Come on butt sliders
Damn, what a disservice
Butt slider when
Oh, I just started a new character like 3 days ago named princesse grenat (princess garnet in french), I'm... Not sure I want to buy this
I don't want to see another mogstation item released until NA have stable servers again.
me "please look forward to it"ing the character customization improvements hoping for more sliders to un flatten my miqo with
That was Sarah's best asset.
No? What are you talking about?
FFXIV not having a gyatt slider dates it massively. Sorry not sorry.
Buttato
At least Garnet had long enough hair to distract from whether her ass was pancake-shaped or not.
Up until she doesn't
They might as well have just gave me Freya's outfit instead.
Yeah, making me not want to buy it and reminding me how flat the asses are in this game.
FF9 was my first FF game. And I've always been a "nice ass" girl. I am disappointed but not surprised. Very few JP MMO let you have anything other than a pancake. And if they do, only in a way that would make your hips break door frames.
Like hell they did.
Like, honestly, do they really think we wanted outfits that reference Final Fantasy? OBVIOUSLY what the people want is the 17th cyber punk windbreaker that if you squint really hard almost looks different from every other cyberpunk windbreaker they've released over the last two years. I feel so betrayed!
Finally we have the balance to the 2b leggings.
Dance magic, dance!
Is this some Dagger cosplay?
its like one of the ugliest fem glams on the mog.
Me, 11 years old: Garnet has a booty!
Me, 37 years old: I don't want to look at this kids ass.
Me, today: WHERE IS THE BOOTY??
We need a realm reborn reborn only for the purpose of introducing butt sliders
looks only great on lalas lmao
Remember small butt is popular in Japan.
Which Way Western man?
(X) Doubt
Just go take a look at pixiv, butts are gods there.
Not even fanart, there's that one geology anime out now where almost all I see about it is the one girl in jeans with interesting camera angles.
Has there been a mmorpg game where anyone had a decent backside? Every game always focuses on the front for women and I’ve seen ones with the male toons that don’t look like a Ken doll from the waist down, but I don’t remember a decent ass for male or female toons.
Lost ark, ironically enough
Also I think PSO2?
PSO2 does NOT have a good butt slider. It has a nice ranged hip slider. But your only options are massive hips and big butt or narrow hips and small butt. And as a girl with different proportions than that, nothing I could do fit.
PSO2 is a hellscape of giant asses and boobs. It's a great example of "Has science gone too far?" character customization.
Fun game, otherwise.
play a draenei in wow lol
Was about to comment this. Was the only reason I ever played WoW in college.
I hope the word "toons" hasn't become acceptable in FF14 discussions, because if it has, then it's all over.
I’m a World of Warcraft vet so some of the lingo is still in my vocabulary.
Also I don’t get why you are judging me on this since player characters carry different names depending on the game. Toon, alt, avatar, WOL, PC, hero, etc. Is there a taboo on it or am I being judged for using a different but common term?