They experience so much joy because of their size, but they’re just waiting to say something snarky to subtly body shame people they claim are their friends, or in one case, a girl who came in with her mom so I assume she was a kid. Gross.
They’re always complaining that plus size clothes are ugly and they can’t find anything cute and now they’re complaining that someone finds the clothes cute and wishes they could wear them.
I’ve been to the mall like ten times recently (nightmare situation trying to get new glasses) but I’ve walked by Torrid at least two dozen times now and each time I keep wanting to go in and look at their stuff because it is cute and I always realize at the last minute I’m much thinner than their average clientele now so it would be weird.
We like your stuff too, okay? Just take the compliment without being a bitch.
I’m on their website right now and it’s not much different from anything anyone else is selling. They have a wide variety of styles and colors, it’s clearly made to flatter bigger women and very curvy body types. It goes up to a 70” bust. My only gripe is their materials don’t seem very sustainable, but these things are cute. Thin people shop very similar stuff.
I’ve long theorized that they’re just upset that they can’t find clothes that make them feel good about their bodies from the outside when they don’t feel that way on the inside. You never see any plus-size people who are actually confident complaining that there are no cute clothes, they just wear what they like and put stuff back when they don’t feel the best in it.
Torrid used to be the goth/emo clothing store for plus size people. My friends and I were obsessed as overweight alt girls in the early 00s. Now it's just the same cold shoulder, rouched floral dresses as everywhere else but bigger.
It’s all the exact same as the rest of the clothes I buy which is probably why I’m always so tempted to check it out and why I have to remind myself it’s all too big for me. It would not look remotely out of place in my wardrobe except for being much larger in size.
And they think this is all unique to them.
I can’t find jeans that suit me right now and it drives me nuts. Wide leg jeans are in style right now and they don’t look good on me or make me feel confident. That doesn’t mean there’s no cute jeans, they’re just not flattering on me in particular.
It’s funny, they looked great on me 70lbs ago and skinny jeans looked like garbage. Now that I’ve lost the weight, the styles that flatter me most seem to have flipped and I’m tearing my hair out trying to reorient myself to my own clothing again.
Funny enough, low rise jeans always suit my body type even when I'm heavier. I was overweight/slightly crossing into obese at times in the early-mid 2000s when they were popular the first time, and a couple years ago when so many people were like "noooo not again it's so cruel" I was breathing relief that I could finally find jeans easily again that sit below the bellybutton.
I love that you can still occasionally find something with a subtle punk/goth edge to it. It's not as good as when it was literally the Hot Topic sister store, but every once in a while they have something really nice. I also really like their Harper tops for work because they just fit and actually work up and down a size for me usually. I'm just about sized out of them and it's been weird trying to find dressy work tops that fit me well and are a style and pattern or print I like. As you pointed out, they're great for curvy body types. I'm still 'curvy' even now that I'm wearing more straight size clothing and it's hard to find non-stretch stuff that really works for me. I'm sure as I lose more weight and get used to other stores it will get easier, but having 1 store that usually REALLY worked was a blessing and a curse. Their materials are okay, not amazing, but I have some tops that are over 6 years old and are worn often that have held up okay.
I will never forget when my mother and I discovered Torrid, and we walked in not realizing it was a plus size store. We were disappointed because the clothes were very cute but we couldn't fit into anything.
They still seem to have some cute stuff whenever I walk by a Torrid.
They just manufactured millions of garments to never actually be worn by anybody… obviously. And that’s why there is ZERO vintage resale value, because who is supposed to fit into these clothes?
Victoria herself was only 4’11. And royals tended to be above average in height, historically!
Victoria also demonstrates that obesity was more common among the rich than in the working class during the Gilded Age. People who could afford to eat well and didn’t have to work hard.
So the statements "The only reason why vintage clothes are so small is because nobody fit them," and "I wear my stuff until it breaks," have nothing at all to do with each other?
Fat people in the 50s couldn't've made the choice to "wear my stuff until it breaks," coming out of a second world war with other wars coming in short order?
None of these aforementioned fat people in the 50s were born during the depression and were therefore never raised with a "Use it until you can't/is broken" mindset and applied this to their clothes when they grew up with fabric being at exorbitant prices that were only partly subsidized by flour sacks?
I feel like they think shopping for vintage clothing is different than it has ever been. It's very often just dumb luck when you find something vintage that fits. No matter what size you are. Does being 5'4" and 120-130 lbs help? Yes, because that was a very common size for American women to be in the 50s/60s70s. So if you deviate too far from that, it's gonna be harder to find vintage clothing. I'm 5'9"ish, I don't find much vintage clothing that fits me. Becuase I'm in about the 97th percentile for height for American women.
It's almost like clothing companies made about as many decent-quality articles at a time as they expected to sell back then, rather than make a fuckton of shit-tier duplicates knowing fully well that a third or more will go to the landfill.
Things still went to the landfill back then, don't get me wrong, but our economy now relies more on how disposable things are rather than how long they should be expected to last.
I love vintage clothing, esp since it predates vanity sizing. At 5’2” and 105 lbs I can squeeze into a size 4 in vintage (my shoulders are often a bit too broad for the dresses, guess weightlifting for women wasn’t a thing back in the day); while in modern sizes I”m 0 or 00. Fact is, people were slimmer back then. FAs dont want to believe this and will say instead “no one photographed fat people, they were just as numerous in the 50s and 60s! they didn’t make clothes for us back then either!”
I don't understand any of this. Like why is it "a moment" to say the plus size store also has jewelery a smaller person could buy, or that they could check Victoria's Secret for a smaller size bra? Those just sound like reasonable suggestions, this store doesn't cater to your size so this is what you could try instead...
Just a guess but I think they are referring to shopping with thin friends and finding out the store doesn't carry their size so they have to check out jewelry instead. So they are getting back at the evil thins.
when the thinner girls go out shopping with their obese friend, the big girl usually ends up buying a scarf or handbag, jewelry etc. this is how they can participate in the group activity as none of the actual garments fit them.
I feel like this is a clap back moment mostly because they themselves feel microagressions in everything. If somebody told me that I'd be like "alright" and that's it...
Yeah, that isn’t the gotcha they think it is. I’d actually be interested if I was in a store with my friends and they were like “oh shit sorry, nothing here is gonna fit you but I know you like the accessories, they’re over there!” But thing is, my friends would be being nice about it, not assholes.
I have a friend who is morbidly obese, very much so, and we send each other clothing recommendations all the time. We don’t think twice about finding shops that cater to one another or going “oops, sorry, they don’t have your size but I really wanted to show you this anyway, I still thought of you, maybe somewhere else has something similar!” (mostly for renaissance fair or cosplay style garb inspiration) and no one is upset.
Frankly, if you’re more interested in having a big gotcha moment at “the thins” than just having fun with your friend, you’re a shitty friend.
Yeah, I don't think their thin friend was likely upset about this at all. Honestly, I could see myself saying something like that ("oh, these clothes are so cute, wish they had them in my size") just to be nice and frame the clothes as objectively desirable, even if I don't actually want them.
Being thin is an accomplishment if you used to be overweight and worked hard to lose the weight though. I was on Zepbound for 6 months and it was a tool that helped me lose 50lbs. I still had to put in the work though, and guess what? It helped me learn how to manage my weight. I know how to deal with cravings now. I know what a proper serving size looks like in order to stay at a healthy weight now. I know how to be comfortable with being hungry and not automatically go eat, I learned gow hungry I should feel before I actually need to eat something. All of these things I didn't know before using Zepbound and losing all that weight. And I sure as hell will be god damn proud of all this no matter what FAs think. And no, I'm not malnutished, if I was then I don't think I would have all this muscle that I built over the course of a year and wouldn't feel amazing compared to how I felt when I was obese.
I read classic novels. A lot of them. Earliest English ones going back to Shakespeare. FAT PEOPLE WERE NEVER SEEN AS PROSPEROUS. THEY WERE SEEN AS PIGS, MORONS, GLUTTONS AND DUNCES
Yeah, online they do have sizes that are small enough a larger size 10 could fit, especially depending on cut, but I’m so sad now that I’m a size 8 because everything is too big. 😭
That would require the cult members to think about someone other than themselves long enough to arrange and attend a meeting, let alone come to an agreement on a singular message.
Yelling "get fat or you're oppressing me!" at anyone thinner than them doesn't require much organizing.
They meet most of the requirements of the 'is this a cult?' checklist except for 'a charismatic leader'.
A cult needs one guy at the top of the pyramid to be the source of the one true narrative the members then spread. Without a leader, you get a confusing mess.
The throne at the top of fat acceptance is empty (having several famous/more vocal gobshites doesn't count), and everyone is vying for it by being the most oppressed and biggest victim.
Hence, the 'infinifats are holier than small fats, but deathfats are the holiest of all' hierarchy.
That's great, but which of the deathfats is holier than all the other deathfats? That's the obvious leader, but everyone's too busy crying about 6X booty shorts and the concept of visible collarbones being completely normal.
The reason why there is so much smaller vintage stuff is because people used to be smaller than house. Also, clothes were passed down and altered. And altering often means making something smaller. A dress might have started out as the mother's good dress and ended up as the everyday dress of the youngest daughter.
I don’t understand the victorias secret comment. They’re trying to make it sound like a “clapback” but I just don’t see it even if you added a malicious tone. Victorias Secret has some pretty cute bras that arguably would be step up from Lane Bryant.
Apparently some of Gen Z uses 😭 like 😂 as in laughing so much you’re crying and I’m almost interpreting that as what’s happening in that one comment.
I remember dating someone who kept reacting to all my funny messages with 😭 and I was like “okay either we don’t have the same definition behind that emoji or you hate me and I really need you to clarify which it is”. She explained the above. That was also the moment I realized she might be too young for me.
They’re always complaining that plus size clothes are ugly and they can’t find anything cute and now they’re complaining that someone finds the clothes cute and wishes they could wear them.
I’ve been to the mall like ten times recently (nightmare situation trying to get new glasses) but I’ve walked by Torrid at least two dozen times now and each time I keep wanting to go in and look at their stuff because it is cute and I always realize at the last minute I’m much thinner than their average clientele now so it would be weird.
We like your stuff too, okay? Just take the compliment without being a bitch.
I’m on their website right now and it’s not much different from anything anyone else is selling. They have a wide variety of styles and colors, it’s clearly made to flatter bigger women and very curvy body types. It goes up to a 70” bust. My only gripe is their materials don’t seem very sustainable, but these things are cute. Thin people shop very similar stuff.
I’ve long theorized that they’re just upset that they can’t find clothes that make them feel good about their bodies from the outside when they don’t feel that way on the inside. You never see any plus-size people who are actually confident complaining that there are no cute clothes, they just wear what they like and put stuff back when they don’t feel the best in it.
Torrid used to be the goth/emo clothing store for plus size people. My friends and I were obsessed as overweight alt girls in the early 00s. Now it's just the same cold shoulder, rouched floral dresses as everywhere else but bigger.
You’re exactly right honestly.
It’s all the exact same as the rest of the clothes I buy which is probably why I’m always so tempted to check it out and why I have to remind myself it’s all too big for me. It would not look remotely out of place in my wardrobe except for being much larger in size.
And they think this is all unique to them.
I can’t find jeans that suit me right now and it drives me nuts. Wide leg jeans are in style right now and they don’t look good on me or make me feel confident. That doesn’t mean there’s no cute jeans, they’re just not flattering on me in particular.
My wife had some wide leg pants on the other day and I said, “wow, you look great, are those new?”
She said, “Oh thanks! No, I’ve had these over 20 years, and now they’re back in style again.”
But I can see how they’d be unflattering on other body types.
I always felt like the hip hugger craze was particularly cruel in that regard.
It’s funny, they looked great on me 70lbs ago and skinny jeans looked like garbage. Now that I’ve lost the weight, the styles that flatter me most seem to have flipped and I’m tearing my hair out trying to reorient myself to my own clothing again.
Funny enough, low rise jeans always suit my body type even when I'm heavier. I was overweight/slightly crossing into obese at times in the early-mid 2000s when they were popular the first time, and a couple years ago when so many people were like "noooo not again it's so cruel" I was breathing relief that I could finally find jeans easily again that sit below the bellybutton.
I love that you can still occasionally find something with a subtle punk/goth edge to it. It's not as good as when it was literally the Hot Topic sister store, but every once in a while they have something really nice. I also really like their Harper tops for work because they just fit and actually work up and down a size for me usually. I'm just about sized out of them and it's been weird trying to find dressy work tops that fit me well and are a style and pattern or print I like. As you pointed out, they're great for curvy body types. I'm still 'curvy' even now that I'm wearing more straight size clothing and it's hard to find non-stretch stuff that really works for me. I'm sure as I lose more weight and get used to other stores it will get easier, but having 1 store that usually REALLY worked was a blessing and a curse. Their materials are okay, not amazing, but I have some tops that are over 6 years old and are worn often that have held up okay.
Also a load of plus size only shops keep going out of business because they’re not buying the specifically designed clothes they ask for
I will never forget when my mother and I discovered Torrid, and we walked in not realizing it was a plus size store. We were disappointed because the clothes were very cute but we couldn't fit into anything.
They still seem to have some cute stuff whenever I walk by a Torrid.
Because no one fit in the small clothes back in the day..... that's good hahaha 😆
They just manufactured millions of garments to never actually be worn by anybody… obviously. And that’s why there is ZERO vintage resale value, because who is supposed to fit into these clothes?
I can’t shop for vintage clothes either. I’m not fat, but I’m 6’3” tall.
I wanted a WW2 Ike jacket but all of the original ones being sold on EBay were tiny. So I had to order a new reproduction.
I just don’t understand it. The only explanation I can come up with is that all of the tall men must have been killed in action. 🤪
Haha try the Victorian clothes, talk about tiny!
Victoria herself was only 4’11. And royals tended to be above average in height, historically!
Victoria also demonstrates that obesity was more common among the rich than in the working class during the Gilded Age. People who could afford to eat well and didn’t have to work hard.
If "no one could fit" in the small clothes they wouldn't have made them.
So the statements "The only reason why vintage clothes are so small is because nobody fit them," and "I wear my stuff until it breaks," have nothing at all to do with each other?
Fat people in the 50s couldn't've made the choice to "wear my stuff until it breaks," coming out of a second world war with other wars coming in short order?
None of these aforementioned fat people in the 50s were born during the depression and were therefore never raised with a "Use it until you can't/is broken" mindset and applied this to their clothes when they grew up with fabric being at exorbitant prices that were only partly subsidized by flour sacks?
I feel like they think shopping for vintage clothing is different than it has ever been. It's very often just dumb luck when you find something vintage that fits. No matter what size you are. Does being 5'4" and 120-130 lbs help? Yes, because that was a very common size for American women to be in the 50s/60s70s. So if you deviate too far from that, it's gonna be harder to find vintage clothing. I'm 5'9"ish, I don't find much vintage clothing that fits me. Becuase I'm in about the 97th percentile for height for American women.
It's almost like clothing companies made about as many decent-quality articles at a time as they expected to sell back then, rather than make a fuckton of shit-tier duplicates knowing fully well that a third or more will go to the landfill.
Things still went to the landfill back then, don't get me wrong, but our economy now relies more on how disposable things are rather than how long they should be expected to last.
I love vintage clothing, esp since it predates vanity sizing. At 5’2” and 105 lbs I can squeeze into a size 4 in vintage (my shoulders are often a bit too broad for the dresses, guess weightlifting for women wasn’t a thing back in the day); while in modern sizes I”m 0 or 00. Fact is, people were slimmer back then. FAs dont want to believe this and will say instead “no one photographed fat people, they were just as numerous in the 50s and 60s! they didn’t make clothes for us back then either!”
I don't understand any of this. Like why is it "a moment" to say the plus size store also has jewelery a smaller person could buy, or that they could check Victoria's Secret for a smaller size bra? Those just sound like reasonable suggestions, this store doesn't cater to your size so this is what you could try instead...
Just a guess but I think they are referring to shopping with thin friends and finding out the store doesn't carry their size so they have to check out jewelry instead. So they are getting back at the evil thins.
when the thinner girls go out shopping with their obese friend, the big girl usually ends up buying a scarf or handbag, jewelry etc. this is how they can participate in the group activity as none of the actual garments fit them.
And this is like... a thing that hurts their feelings so they think it's a slam to do it in reverse?
Fr, gonna tell everyone I feel brokephobic when I go out with friends and only buy the cheapest thing there is available 👍
yes, because they think their friends finally get a taste of what it’s like to look at all the nice clothes they can’t have
I feel like this is a clap back moment mostly because they themselves feel microagressions in everything. If somebody told me that I'd be like "alright" and that's it...
Yeah, that isn’t the gotcha they think it is. I’d actually be interested if I was in a store with my friends and they were like “oh shit sorry, nothing here is gonna fit you but I know you like the accessories, they’re over there!” But thing is, my friends would be being nice about it, not assholes.
I have a friend who is morbidly obese, very much so, and we send each other clothing recommendations all the time. We don’t think twice about finding shops that cater to one another or going “oops, sorry, they don’t have your size but I really wanted to show you this anyway, I still thought of you, maybe somewhere else has something similar!” (mostly for renaissance fair or cosplay style garb inspiration) and no one is upset.
Frankly, if you’re more interested in having a big gotcha moment at “the thins” than just having fun with your friend, you’re a shitty friend.
Yeah, I don't think their thin friend was likely upset about this at all. Honestly, I could see myself saying something like that ("oh, these clothes are so cute, wish they had them in my size") just to be nice and frame the clothes as objectively desirable, even if I don't actually want them.
That was what I was thinking, too. Just being polite and not letting a friend know you aren't interested in clothes she likes.
Being thin is an accomplishment if you used to be overweight and worked hard to lose the weight though. I was on Zepbound for 6 months and it was a tool that helped me lose 50lbs. I still had to put in the work though, and guess what? It helped me learn how to manage my weight. I know how to deal with cravings now. I know what a proper serving size looks like in order to stay at a healthy weight now. I know how to be comfortable with being hungry and not automatically go eat, I learned gow hungry I should feel before I actually need to eat something. All of these things I didn't know before using Zepbound and losing all that weight. And I sure as hell will be god damn proud of all this no matter what FAs think. And no, I'm not malnutished, if I was then I don't think I would have all this muscle that I built over the course of a year and wouldn't feel amazing compared to how I felt when I was obese.
Mmm. So they don't actually oppose bullying, just when it happens TO them and not FROM them. Interesting.
Never beating the mean girl allegations.
Because body shaming is only a problem if it’s towards fat people of course /s
I read classic novels. A lot of them. Earliest English ones going back to Shakespeare. FAT PEOPLE WERE NEVER SEEN AS PROSPEROUS. THEY WERE SEEN AS PIGS, MORONS, GLUTTONS AND DUNCES
Torrid goes down to a size 14, which they call a 0. I actually missed wearing some of my Torrid stuff after I lost weight.
They have a size 00 but you can typically only find it online (I only know because I wear that size there).
Yeah, online they do have sizes that are small enough a larger size 10 could fit, especially depending on cut, but I’m so sad now that I’m a size 8 because everything is too big. 😭
I genuinely liked their clothing.
They want so badly to be mean girls, and they are... just to each other. I've seen people in that movement lose weight so that they'll get kicked out.
“It was literally my moment and I will never forget it” meanwhile I doubt her friends gave two fucks or ever thought about it again.
I'm confused.
I thought us Thins were swarming plus size shops and thrift stores like locusts, leaving with armfuls of 6X clothes and depriving the infinifats?
But here, you're saying we're leaving those stores empty-handed and devastated?
Which is it?
I propose a fat acceptance team meeting in the new year, where you guys agree on one narrative, as that's what organised cults do.
That would require the cult members to think about someone other than themselves long enough to arrange and attend a meeting, let alone come to an agreement on a singular message.
Yelling "get fat or you're oppressing me!" at anyone thinner than them doesn't require much organizing.
And this is why they're doomed to fail.
They meet most of the requirements of the 'is this a cult?' checklist except for 'a charismatic leader'.
A cult needs one guy at the top of the pyramid to be the source of the one true narrative the members then spread. Without a leader, you get a confusing mess.
The throne at the top of fat acceptance is empty (having several famous/more vocal gobshites doesn't count), and everyone is vying for it by being the most oppressed and biggest victim.
Hence, the 'infinifats are holier than small fats, but deathfats are the holiest of all' hierarchy.
That's great, but which of the deathfats is holier than all the other deathfats? That's the obvious leader, but everyone's too busy crying about 6X booty shorts and the concept of visible collarbones being completely normal.
The reason why there is so much smaller vintage stuff is because people used to be smaller than house. Also, clothes were passed down and altered. And altering often means making something smaller. A dress might have started out as the mother's good dress and ended up as the everyday dress of the youngest daughter.
I don’t understand the victorias secret comment. They’re trying to make it sound like a “clapback” but I just don’t see it even if you added a malicious tone. Victorias Secret has some pretty cute bras that arguably would be step up from Lane Bryant.
It’s not an accomplishment to be “thin” But it’s an accomplishment to be fat.
Pretty sure the "skinny" girl in Torrid was humoring the fat one. And im sorry - goes DOWN to a size 10? I know its a plus size stow, but my God
Because the fat people in the past probably were like a "small fat" nowadays.
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Apparently some of Gen Z uses 😭 like 😂 as in laughing so much you’re crying and I’m almost interpreting that as what’s happening in that one comment.
I remember dating someone who kept reacting to all my funny messages with 😭 and I was like “okay either we don’t have the same definition behind that emoji or you hate me and I really need you to clarify which it is”. She explained the above. That was also the moment I realized she might be too young for me.