they think they're being ironic because if you think obesity kills, you're wrong. Its the discrimination actually. How dare doctors call it morbid obesity!!!!
I start getting into overweight territory for my height at size small-medium because I'm short.
I cannot even fathom some of these sizes. I'm not young and I'm already feeling the ravages of age in my back and knees and I just can't imagine how much more uncomfortable I would be every waking minute with an extra 300, 200, 100, hell even just 50lbs on my frame.
I start getting wake up calls from my body when I put on 15lbs or work out less than I usually do. These people have to be in pain all the time.
From who or what are they "reclaiming" that anyway?
And the problem with irony culture is, that it only matters in your own mind. If you are pretending to be a Nazi ironically people will still think you are an asshole and they are probably correct. Same thing here. You can be ironically "death fat" all you like but it doesn't change the fact that statistically, your life expectancy is much shorter than it could be.
They claim it's "reclaiming" it from Doctors. Because medical professionals will use the term "Morbidly Obese", they say that using "Death Fat" is making fun of Doctors for acting like being fat will kill them.
It's literally them going, "Oh you said I'm so fat that I'll die. Jokes on you I'll just call myself a death fat then because being fat can't kill anyone! That'll show you!"
It's hard to believe that these are adults making these arguments. Because it sounds like the argument of an edgy teenager trying to be contrarian just because ... but they usually grow up and realize how stupid they were.
I followed FA fashion groups for a while around 2007-2009. Mid-size was defined as sizes 12-16/18. Where you’re at the upper range of the Misses department, and depending on your body, might not be obese. A friend once told me that this was a versatile size range, because you could shop in both Misses and Plus sections of the store.
But that’s not oppressed enough for today’s FAs. So they raised the bar (or lowered it) and redefined mid-size.
Fair enough that they don’t like the medical terms. But do the names they’ve chosen really help them feel better about themselves? No, because how much time and energy do they spend in making justifications and complaining about “skinny” people?
“If you could wake up tomorrow at a weight of your choosing, and nobody in your life would have any memory of you being a different (adult) weight, what weight would you choose?”
How many of them would say they wanted to stay their present size, or even be larger?
I don’t think it’s being proud in the same way. Many people like this have a literal addiction to food. It’s just not feeling like you’re worthless/ are a terrible person/ deserve to die, at least from what I’ve seen. To also put things into perspective, I recently had gallbladder surgery and the beginning of my gallbladder attacks and the amount of pain I felt post op on just extra strength Tylenol was less intense then the pain I’d feel when I’d go without eating for 5+ hours. There’s DEFINITELY some people that are ridiculous with their expectations and that’s what I’d usually see on the sub but most of us are just normal people. I can talk more about exactly what people mean by medical discrimination if you want, too, but this is getting really long. I hope this can help a few people understand a bit more. Thank you for reading.
All of their complaints could be solved with taking action on their own parts by losing weight. They don't even have to be skinny; just lose enough weight to make mobility, finding clothing, fitting into public spaces, and lessening health risks possible.
Imagine taking in such a huge amount of food everyday that you could sustain 500+ lbs. I’ve watched enough My 600 lb life to know that when they are put on a strict 1200 cal diet that they can lose 40-70 lbs a month. That’s insane to me. Like, even if they ate 2500 calories a day they could lose 20-35 lbs probably. I know they have issues that need a therapist and not some random woman commenting online, but they have no concept of what a regular human eats.
This is something that's baffled me for ages. Even if you're almost entirely sedentary, your body is going to burn a huge amount of energy just moving around your house and maintaining your basic bodily systems. How much do you have to consume each and every day in order to maintain a 200+kg bodyweight?
This scale is always odd to me, especially with US vanity sizing. At a BMI of 35, I could wear large to extra large and had early markers for high cholesterol. I had trouble running for more than five minutes and was prone to knee injuries. I was also touching my neighbors in airplane seats and was in a special program for not meeting the weight standards for my career (which removes opportunity for advancement and certain high-visibility positions).
So, by most of the standards FAs advocate, I should be on their fat/oppression scale. But because today’s 14 is the 18-30 of 20 years ago, I wouldn’t have even counted? I don’t even count as fat?
It’s because as much as they pretend to care about medical oppression and other real forms of harm what they’re actually most concerned about is how much cheap plastic clothing is available in their size.
That's what it comes down to for the most part. They're scale of fatness is mostly based on how easy it is for you to find clothes at Target, not actual obesity
I feel like your scale may be slightly skewed if “large” fat is the middle of the bell curve? Also, “reclaim their morbid fatness” is a great way to distract yourself from the looming medical catastrophe you’ve caused yourself
As my car swerved at 120 MPH towards the cliff's edge, I decided to reclaim my driving skills and anointed myself as a "Chaos Driver!" I will shout this title from the driver's seat for the rest of my days!
Narrator: The rest of his days were approximately 12 seconds long.
That caught my eye too. Maybe it’s partly because I live in an area with lower obesity rates compared to the rest of the country (I’m in Canada, but we’re rapidly catching up to the US in terms of obesity) and don’t see many very fat people in my day to day but… a 5x being the middle of the bell curve? Jesus.
I find it so sad that people use these labels to trivialize devastating illnesses and disabilities.
I was on the bus behind a 500lb woman for about 10 minutes the other day, because that's how long it took her to get out of her seat (blocking the aisle, which seemed terribly embarrassing) and slowly walk to the front to exit.
Overeating that much isn't even pleasurable. It's a form of self-harm and often happens in response to trauma. So I don't think of this as "her fault" or "gluttony." It's just suffering for no good reason.
And yes, it will shorten her life. Calling morbid obesity "death fat " in a joking way is so terribly sad. It is contributing to a vastly decreased quality of life and shortening lives.
I do think everyone at every size deserves dignity and respect as human beings, so I see the intent behind these monikers, but the element of denial undercuts the positive message.
It is hard, though, because losing hundreds of pounds is incredibly difficult. Much harder than maintaining a healthy weight. I hope Ozempic can genuinely benefit people in these extreme situations.
I find it so sad that people use these labels to trivialize devastating illnesses and disabilities
I think it's them trying to pretend that they don't have a serious problem. A lot of people use jokes to cope with very negative emotions/experiences. But there comes a point where you have to actually address the real problem.
I agree, I don’t find any of this funny because it’s just so incredibly sad. It’s an eating disorder and I feel heartbroken for people who are suffering and dying young because they have an eating disorder. It’s dangerous and sick to encourage other people’s unhealthy relationship with food to make yourself feel better, yet this branch of the internet has normalized that.
Imagine if anorexics had a chart like this where a BMI of 18 is “big skinny” and a BMI under 14 is “death skinny” and talked about “reclaiming” the idea that they are starving to death.
Pro-Ana content is banned from most social media but this is allowed.
“Larger than a woman’s size 32 but it’s complicated!” Wtf does that even mean? Also “the largest and most underserved folks” like baby, none of y’all are underserved
Right like they eat enough to feed the village talking about being underserved. Only the privileged can afford that amount of calories and someone in their life is helping them collect all that food.
Thank god I never went beyond "small fat," and I hate every minute of it. I can't imagine the desire to get/stay fatter than that. I really wish there were better ways to help people lose weight, because existing in a 6x+ body has to be miserable.
I thought it was referring to people who lost a little weight and want to gain it back/fall back into old patterns – but that might just be me taking it too literally because of the ol' 'tism🙈
Putting the most unhinged shit into a girlypop PowerPoint is absolutely sending me. Beautifully deranged. The size ranges are knocking me out of my size 8 jeans.
Small fat is still morbid obesity. i was a "small fat" with a bmi of 40 and was headed towards an early death. I guess now I'm a skinny bitch at a size medium and an overweight bmi. Christ almighty....
I am class 3 obese (I'm 5 foot tall and 200lb I hate being short 🤣) I'm working on the later as I can't do anything about the former 🤣 and I wouldnt even be classed as a small fat. It's absolutely crazy
god death fat is gross. it feels like a dig/knock off of “deathspo” or “bonespo” from the old pro ana days. it’s so sad they think it’s a desirable disease. it’s almost feels like half the shit they do is to copy ana, in a twisted, fat way
It's curious how they always categorize fat sizes by cloth sizes, which are notoriously finicky and currently expanding, instead going by lb. Like why don't you put a fat "400lb or more" in Infinifat, make it clearer?
I mean that's probably it. Someone my weight but ten inches shorter (I am above average height for a woman so ten inches shorter than me is a size that adult women are/can be) is obese. Someone my weight but four inches shorter is overweight. I have a BMI of 21.9 based on my weight this morning.
Yeah I'm 5'11" and wear a size 10 usually in pants. There has to be a proportional skeleton frame in there somewhere.
Sorry I didn't quite gauge your/my tone correctly. I'll blame it on my very long walk this morning and get off my phone for a while to get my head screwed on straight again 🤣
For all you know, that might be 400lbs of pure muscle. That's why the bmi chart doesn't work. 400lbs of muscle will wear a smaller size that 400lbs of fat. /s
I wonder if it has something to do with trying to be intentionally ignorant of their own weight.
If small fats referred to people weighing 300 pounds or less, for example, they'd have an objective tool of their own making that would force them to admit that virtually all of them far exceed that measure.
If you attached the measure to something inconsistent, though, you can argue that wearing a size 18 pants in one brand makes you a small fat, even when all your other clothes are size 24.
Women, destroying themselves and seeking to take down others with them.
This is not the pathway to developing power in yourself and influencing the world. And to be brutally honest, the world is quite happy to see you raging away on social media and far away from actual power. You'll keep losing all those hard-fought rights because you're utterly distracted.
Notice how it’s all centered around women and women’s sizes because typically obese men accept that they’re enormous and don’t consider themselves victims of society…
I think it’s less that and more that women face more social consequences for obesity. Women’s bodies are far more scrutinised, and the minimum standard is set much higher. Men get a lot more freedom in how they’re able to look without facing harsh consequences. So naturally women are then more motivated to push back against the double standard, and so much of the fat acceptance and body positivity stuff comes from women.
Rh, I see plenty of men who are completely delusional about their size. Honestly, I think it's more that the FA movement doesn't seem to be nearly as welcoming/accepting of fat men as it is for fat women.
I saw size 18 and I was like "okay that's not bad" then I looked it up and a us 18 is a UK 22 💀💀💀 I have some pieces in size 22 that I like because they're baggy on me. Keep in mind I'm fat af I'm like 130kg.
The upper range of midfat for them is a UK 28. I have never seen a size 28 piece of clothing in my entire life. Atp it's a curtain.
Y would anyone wanna be that big? I mean u wouldn't be able to fit anywhere, not down hallways, through doorways, nowhere. That is if u could even move which most likely would not be able to
Imagine being Deathfat and proud. Like. Even their small fat is a wake up call. And then you have Deathfat…
And putting a cartoon headstone graphic next to it like it's cute... shit's bleak.
Might as well fully embrace the insanity.
This whole chart starts sad and just piles on the suffering.
they think they're being ironic because if you think obesity kills, you're wrong. Its the discrimination actually. How dare doctors call it morbid obesity!!!!
I start getting into overweight territory for my height at size small-medium because I'm short.
I cannot even fathom some of these sizes. I'm not young and I'm already feeling the ravages of age in my back and knees and I just can't imagine how much more uncomfortable I would be every waking minute with an extra 300, 200, 100, hell even just 50lbs on my frame.
I start getting wake up calls from my body when I put on 15lbs or work out less than I usually do. These people have to be in pain all the time.
Yeah if I was in a size large shirt I'd be obese for sure due to my distribution and general frame size. Probably morbidly obese
Yep, when the word "death" is in the name of your body type you should rethink some things...
It still blows my mind that there are people who use "death fat" and "infinifat" unironically.
Feels like it’s fetish related
From who or what are they "reclaiming" that anyway?
And the problem with irony culture is, that it only matters in your own mind. If you are pretending to be a Nazi ironically people will still think you are an asshole and they are probably correct. Same thing here. You can be ironically "death fat" all you like but it doesn't change the fact that statistically, your life expectancy is much shorter than it could be.
They claim it's "reclaiming" it from Doctors. Because medical professionals will use the term "Morbidly Obese", they say that using "Death Fat" is making fun of Doctors for acting like being fat will kill them.
It's literally them going, "Oh you said I'm so fat that I'll die. Jokes on you I'll just call myself a death fat then because being fat can't kill anyone! That'll show you!"
It's hard to believe that these are adults making these arguments. Because it sounds like the argument of an edgy teenager trying to be contrarian just because ... but they usually grow up and realize how stupid they were.
The fact that “small fat” STARTS at US size 18. With vanity sizing, that is huge.
I'm a 16/18 and the last thing I feel is small.
When I was on the border of overweight and obese according to BMI I was still wearing a size 8.
I followed FA fashion groups for a while around 2007-2009. Mid-size was defined as sizes 12-16/18. Where you’re at the upper range of the Misses department, and depending on your body, might not be obese. A friend once told me that this was a versatile size range, because you could shop in both Misses and Plus sections of the store.
But that’s not oppressed enough for today’s FAs. So they raised the bar (or lowered it) and redefined mid-size.
Fair enough that they don’t like the medical terms. But do the names they’ve chosen really help them feel better about themselves? No, because how much time and energy do they spend in making justifications and complaining about “skinny” people?
“If you could wake up tomorrow at a weight of your choosing, and nobody in your life would have any memory of you being a different (adult) weight, what weight would you choose?”
How many of them would say they wanted to stay their present size, or even be larger?
I don’t think it’s being proud in the same way. Many people like this have a literal addiction to food. It’s just not feeling like you’re worthless/ are a terrible person/ deserve to die, at least from what I’ve seen. To also put things into perspective, I recently had gallbladder surgery and the beginning of my gallbladder attacks and the amount of pain I felt post op on just extra strength Tylenol was less intense then the pain I’d feel when I’d go without eating for 5+ hours. There’s DEFINITELY some people that are ridiculous with their expectations and that’s what I’d usually see on the sub but most of us are just normal people. I can talk more about exactly what people mean by medical discrimination if you want, too, but this is getting really long. I hope this can help a few people understand a bit more. Thank you for reading.
All of their complaints could be solved with taking action on their own parts by losing weight. They don't even have to be skinny; just lose enough weight to make mobility, finding clothing, fitting into public spaces, and lessening health risks possible.
But that would mean taking accountability and making an effort, and we can’t have that!
Nothing has or ever will be their own fault
Imagine taking in such a huge amount of food everyday that you could sustain 500+ lbs. I’ve watched enough My 600 lb life to know that when they are put on a strict 1200 cal diet that they can lose 40-70 lbs a month. That’s insane to me. Like, even if they ate 2500 calories a day they could lose 20-35 lbs probably. I know they have issues that need a therapist and not some random woman commenting online, but they have no concept of what a regular human eats.
This is something that's baffled me for ages. Even if you're almost entirely sedentary, your body is going to burn a huge amount of energy just moving around your house and maintaining your basic bodily systems. How much do you have to consume each and every day in order to maintain a 200+kg bodyweight?
Screaming from the rooftops 🗣️“I hate taking any personal accountability!!!”
This scale is always odd to me, especially with US vanity sizing. At a BMI of 35, I could wear large to extra large and had early markers for high cholesterol. I had trouble running for more than five minutes and was prone to knee injuries. I was also touching my neighbors in airplane seats and was in a special program for not meeting the weight standards for my career (which removes opportunity for advancement and certain high-visibility positions).
So, by most of the standards FAs advocate, I should be on their fat/oppression scale. But because today’s 14 is the 18-30 of 20 years ago, I wouldn’t have even counted? I don’t even count as fat?
It’s because as much as they pretend to care about medical oppression and other real forms of harm what they’re actually most concerned about is how much cheap plastic clothing is available in their size.
That's what it comes down to for the most part. They're scale of fatness is mostly based on how easy it is for you to find clothes at Target, not actual obesity
I feel like your scale may be slightly skewed if “large” fat is the middle of the bell curve? Also, “reclaim their morbid fatness” is a great way to distract yourself from the looming medical catastrophe you’ve caused yourself
Narrator: The rest of his days were approximately 12 seconds long.
At least chaos driver sounds kind of badass; infinifat just sounds sad and hopeless.
I mean, “large” usually ends up being middle of the bell curve with clothing sizes. XS, S, M, L, XL, 2XL, 3XL
That caught my eye too. Maybe it’s partly because I live in an area with lower obesity rates compared to the rest of the country (I’m in Canada, but we’re rapidly catching up to the US in terms of obesity) and don’t see many very fat people in my day to day but… a 5x being the middle of the bell curve? Jesus.
I find it so sad that people use these labels to trivialize devastating illnesses and disabilities.
I was on the bus behind a 500lb woman for about 10 minutes the other day, because that's how long it took her to get out of her seat (blocking the aisle, which seemed terribly embarrassing) and slowly walk to the front to exit.
Overeating that much isn't even pleasurable. It's a form of self-harm and often happens in response to trauma. So I don't think of this as "her fault" or "gluttony." It's just suffering for no good reason.
And yes, it will shorten her life. Calling morbid obesity "death fat " in a joking way is so terribly sad. It is contributing to a vastly decreased quality of life and shortening lives.
I do think everyone at every size deserves dignity and respect as human beings, so I see the intent behind these monikers, but the element of denial undercuts the positive message.
It is hard, though, because losing hundreds of pounds is incredibly difficult. Much harder than maintaining a healthy weight. I hope Ozempic can genuinely benefit people in these extreme situations.
I think it's them trying to pretend that they don't have a serious problem. A lot of people use jokes to cope with very negative emotions/experiences. But there comes a point where you have to actually address the real problem.
My god, just look at all the jokes about drinking to excess and "it's always beer o'clock!" We trivialize alcoholism too.
I agree, I don’t find any of this funny because it’s just so incredibly sad. It’s an eating disorder and I feel heartbroken for people who are suffering and dying young because they have an eating disorder. It’s dangerous and sick to encourage other people’s unhealthy relationship with food to make yourself feel better, yet this branch of the internet has normalized that.
Imagine if anorexics had a chart like this where a BMI of 18 is “big skinny” and a BMI under 14 is “death skinny” and talked about “reclaiming” the idea that they are starving to death.
Pro-Ana content is banned from most social media but this is allowed.
“Larger than a woman’s size 32 but it’s complicated!” Wtf does that even mean? Also “the largest and most underserved folks” like baby, none of y’all are underserved
Right like they eat enough to feed the village talking about being underserved. Only the privileged can afford that amount of calories and someone in their life is helping them collect all that food.
Maybe "wrongly served" or "illserved" is better.
I definitely read "underserved" as "undeserved" at first and was just thinking nobody deserves any of this. Maybe try not eating so much?
Thank god I never went beyond "small fat," and I hate every minute of it. I can't imagine the desire to get/stay fatter than that. I really wish there were better ways to help people lose weight, because existing in a 6x+ body has to be miserable.
Why on earth would anyone 'WISH to reclaim their morbid fatness'??? That's just sick😭
What does "reclaiming morbid fatness" even mean? It just seems to be a collection of words that's telling me nothing.
The fat and morbidity didn't go anywhere, why does it need to be reclaimed?
reclaiming it from the mean, discriminatory, fatphobic, patriarchal (etc etc etc) doctors who tell them they're going to die
I thought it was referring to people who lost a little weight and want to gain it back/fall back into old patterns – but that might just be me taking it too literally because of the ol' 'tism🙈
“infinitely fat”, what a great description. they must be very proud.
the bullshit these people come up with is mind boggling.
Putting the most unhinged shit into a girlypop PowerPoint is absolutely sending me. Beautifully deranged. The size ranges are knocking me out of my size 8 jeans.
Also- I’m still stuck on “small fat”.
Small fat is still morbid obesity. i was a "small fat" with a bmi of 40 and was headed towards an early death. I guess now I'm a skinny bitch at a size medium and an overweight bmi. Christ almighty....
I am class 3 obese (I'm 5 foot tall and 200lb I hate being short 🤣) I'm working on the later as I can't do anything about the former 🤣 and I wouldnt even be classed as a small fat. It's absolutely crazy
I find it confusing that there’s no lower limit on what constitutes a “small fat”.
god death fat is gross. it feels like a dig/knock off of “deathspo” or “bonespo” from the old pro ana days. it’s so sad they think it’s a desirable disease. it’s almost feels like half the shit they do is to copy ana, in a twisted, fat way
It's curious how they always categorize fat sizes by cloth sizes, which are notoriously finicky and currently expanding, instead going by lb. Like why don't you put a fat "400lb or more" in Infinifat, make it clearer?
Because a 5'2 woman is gonna carry 400lbs differently than a 5"6 woman.
/s
I mean that's probably it. Someone my weight but ten inches shorter (I am above average height for a woman so ten inches shorter than me is a size that adult women are/can be) is obese. Someone my weight but four inches shorter is overweight. I have a BMI of 21.9 based on my weight this morning.
Agreed. My female friend who is 6'2 and wears a size 14 is still a healthy weight for her height, whereas a 5'2 woman wearing a 14 is likely obese.
My (joking) point was that at 400lbs, being 5'2 or 5'6 doesn't really matter - you're still FAT and at that point it's just a matter of degrees.
Yeah I'm 5'11" and wear a size 10 usually in pants. There has to be a proportional skeleton frame in there somewhere.
Sorry I didn't quite gauge your/my tone correctly. I'll blame it on my very long walk this morning and get off my phone for a while to get my head screwed on straight again 🤣
For all you know, that might be 400lbs of pure muscle. That's why the bmi chart doesn't work. 400lbs of muscle will wear a smaller size that 400lbs of fat. /s
I wonder if it has something to do with trying to be intentionally ignorant of their own weight.
If small fats referred to people weighing 300 pounds or less, for example, they'd have an objective tool of their own making that would force them to admit that virtually all of them far exceed that measure.
If you attached the measure to something inconsistent, though, you can argue that wearing a size 18 pants in one brand makes you a small fat, even when all your other clothes are size 24.
Women, destroying themselves and seeking to take down others with them.
This is not the pathway to developing power in yourself and influencing the world. And to be brutally honest, the world is quite happy to see you raging away on social media and far away from actual power. You'll keep losing all those hard-fought rights because you're utterly distracted.
And most FAs call themselves feminists. Weird isn't it?
Thanks for the patronizing bullshit!
I was a small to mid fat I guess. Felt like death fat to me. Copium. Its funny to me how this is better than bmi?
Notice how it’s all centered around women and women’s sizes because typically obese men accept that they’re enormous and don’t consider themselves victims of society…
I think it’s less that and more that women face more social consequences for obesity. Women’s bodies are far more scrutinised, and the minimum standard is set much higher. Men get a lot more freedom in how they’re able to look without facing harsh consequences. So naturally women are then more motivated to push back against the double standard, and so much of the fat acceptance and body positivity stuff comes from women.
Rh, I see plenty of men who are completely delusional about their size. Honestly, I think it's more that the FA movement doesn't seem to be nearly as welcoming/accepting of fat men as it is for fat women.
Idk if I’d really want to go by the title of infinifat if I was that large
So the path from small fat to death fat is kinda like going from beginner to Operating Thetan Level 8 in Scientology?
And you ladies say you're not in a cult? Really?
Can they “reclaim their morbid fatness” somewhere else where my tax money isnt wasted on the infinite amount of healthcare resources they consume?
Yesterday I was in a shop that was selling last existences of all kinds of stuff.
Have you ever seen how huge 3XL panties are?
Reclaim their morbidly fatness? Christ
The person who made this chart, probably: "No, I don't base my whole identity on my weight. Don't be silly. What would ever give you that idea?"
This is insane. I am a size 14-16 Australian. I am obese. When I convert a US size 18 to Australian sizing that’s a 22-24. And that’s “small fat”
I saw size 18 and I was like "okay that's not bad" then I looked it up and a us 18 is a UK 22 💀💀💀 I have some pieces in size 22 that I like because they're baggy on me. Keep in mind I'm fat af I'm like 130kg.
The upper range of midfat for them is a UK 28. I have never seen a size 28 piece of clothing in my entire life. Atp it's a curtain.
Morbid doesn’t mean death it means it will significantly affect your quality of life.
My favorite part of this is that the superhero cartoon looks thin. Wow, they don’t even offer themselves representation on their own nonsense.
Woolen out here livin that deathfat life rly gotta reconsider their choices, fr
This is sad. Wishing to "reclaim" morbid obesity is insane.
Yikes
Yet again they use a graphic of a person who is not even fat. What are they, fatphobic?! 😂
How come it’s only about women’s sizes? Why doesn’t this mentality apply to men?
Y would anyone wanna be that big? I mean u wouldn't be able to fit anywhere, not down hallways, through doorways, nowhere. That is if u could even move which most likely would not be able to
I don’t know if I would call someone who’s a size 32 “underserved”