My mother in laws fridge and pantry were more full than mine for a family of at the time 4 people. Now that I've got a family of 5 (2 adult 3 kids) we buy more than her but that's mostly because my older kids are hitting growth spurts and in elementary school.
I'm don't eat fast food of any kind (got e-coli nearly 20yrs ago after a misguided post-clubbing takeaway meal, so even the smell outside fast food joints makes me nauseated), so I don't keep up with prices.
However, there was drama at a local place last week, and being a nosey cow, I peeked through the window to get an eyeful of the aftermath.
Glanced at the menu, and I was genuinely shocked by the prices. It makes the 'healthy food is expensive!' excuse even more ridiculous.
So, if someone is getting fast food on the regular, they've got to be spending £150+ per week on that alone.
There was actually a 'health of the community' census type thing in my town a few years ago, with some startling findings. This was pre-Uber Eats, too, so God knows how bad it is now.
One that struck me was, for the 'how many times a week do you buy fast food?' section, the morbidly obese demographic dominated the 'every day' and '3+ times per day' options.
Kinda puts the 'I gain on a 400 calorie diet!' claims into perspective.
I'd imagine that it wouldn't necessarily be all that much? If you lie in bed all day, crippled by your own body, your TDEE might not be all that high? And sugary, greasy processed shit is pretty inexpensive.
Depends where you live, I guess. But in my country fast food has gotten pretty expensive. Also, even if individual items are inexpensive it still ads up quickly when you over-consume them every single day. I know because I did spend a year saving the money I would have otherwise spent on sweet coffee drinks.
Nah, I'm quite disabled, don't do much beyond lay around, weigh 130lbs and I still spend a fortune on food, lol. My BMR is still around 1400 calories. The BMR of someone double my weight or more must be a pretty significant amount.
I actually agree with this take. Now disclaimer, I know I am obese (215lbs atm, so far 17lbs down from my highest).
But me, with my 215lbs, at 5'7, and a very active job & lifestyle needs about 2800 calories a day to maintain my weight. The reason I got big in the first place - despite my job and life style, is because eating 3-4k calories a day is surprisingly easy if you have a sweet tooth. like that is "normal" amount of food + a little extra food, and then 1-3 chocolate bars. it is so so easy to eat more than that.
But a person being 5'7, and 350lbs, and light exercise is 3.200cals a day to maintain that. that is 1 extra snack a day. Heck, an energy drink/soda can easily pack in 500cals too.
400lbs and sedentary? 3k cals a day, so even less than the lightly active person (so office job, and no exercise - not even light walks 1-3times a week).
650lbs and sedentary, 4.5k cals ish. That is not difficult to eat!
Okay for me it is lol. But it's not like people start eating 4-6kcals overnight. it slowly slides up. 100 extra here and 200 extra there.
I never got over 230lbs because sugary food is very expensive where I live (we even got something called a sugar tax (extra VAT on anything unhealthy)). But if I lived in the US I'd be cooked, as food was my therapy for ages until I actually got some therapy and stopped eating my emotions.
Also I despise fatlogic for this reason. Food and weight does not define your value as a person. It is just basic math of fuel in vs fuel consumed. And these "influencers" who try to cause misinformation and confusion, and making the issue of marginalized communities about themselves - are wilfully leading people into fire.
This is so true. Fat people - including past me - often don’t realize how little calorie dense food you need to pack on the pounds. A large latte with a few pumps of syrup - an extra 500 calories. A big single size chips - 400 calories. Do that a couple times a week each, and you’re gaining two lbs a month.
My soul left my body when I found out what two tablespoons of peanut butter actually looked like IRL instead of in my big back imagination. I was eating an extra 500 calories and acting like I was so healthy because it was organic peanut butter or something.
I watched someone drink 500+ calories of lemonade today at lunch (7 servings in the bottle, 2 people each had one, and then the third person slowly drank the rest of it over about 3 hours). That was the end of lunch, I don't know how much they drank during the meal. The bottle of lemonade cost $3, so $2.14 for more calories that I would eat for a whole meal.
It doesn’t matter how much. There ancestors went through famines therefore their genetics will go hang onto to weight even if they only 500 calories a day, plus they’re skin and bones at 200 pounds. DUH!
We need to pay morbidly obese people for "educating" us? We already know the risks associated with being morbidly obese, we don't need fat people to tell us they're inherently unhealthy
My bmi is currently in the obese category, does this mean I can only get money from people for talking shit until I hit the overweight category? Or do I get a pay reduction. I can't believe I'm missing out on so much money, I wish an infinityobese told me this before
The self-righteous condescension and entitlement leaps out yet again.
>Fatphobia gets its DNA from racism.
A lot of these are the same people who make the most sweeping, simplistic, racist generalizations about Asians and AsianAms imaginable, or just outright ignore the existence of thin non-white people when it's convenient.
A lot of them (most, I think) are obese white woman with a bad case of white savior complex; somehow the starvation obesity syndrome never appeared in concentration camps, only in western white women of the 21st century. Similarly, a lot of them have never traveled beyond USA, so they can't wrap their minds about us POC chilling in our countries managing our weight like everyone else does.
Like my country isn't the fittest country in Latin America but at least here there's definitely less of an obesogenic culture in the sense that people will most definitely not coddle you if you're fat and you need nourishment for your tumtum.
That was exactly what I was thinking. I'm almost numb to the fact that they bring race into it, but 'folx'? Why? Does that make it more inclusive than folks in some way?
Yes, because often Americans who use this term don't understand it's imposible to gender neutral Spanish (you can try but it's gonna be a mess) so masculine IS our gender neutral. Latino is already gender neutral if you need it to be. No need to be hand-wringing trying to change our language
While it's true that the term "Latinx" isn't commonly used among Hispanic or Latino communities, it isn't "white people shit" (at least, not exclusively). Denying that there are people who actually self-describe with the term is unreasonable, even if its use can seem annoying or the product of virtue signalling. I think it's possible to recognize and respect Latinx as a term, especially one that queer people use, while also recognizing that Latino is used more generally when referring to groups/communities and that most people (being cis or binary trans) will self identify with either Latino or Latina.
The origins of the term aren't fully clear, but it likely stemmed from queer/nonbinary/genderqueer Latinx people coming up with language to describe themselves.
"Latine and Latinx both originated among Spanish-speaking LGBTQ+ communities as a means of being gender inclusive...Many objections to the terms’ use are criticized as being rooted in anti-LGBTQ+ and particularly anti-nonbinary sentiments. In particular, politicized backlash has arisen in response to gender-inclusive efforts that often involve such terms, with notable examples including a ban on gender-neutral language in Argentina and Florida’s Don’t Say Gay Bill in the US."
"Much like the other words used to describe those of Latin American descent, Latinx has faced some pushback—from arguments that it’s difficult to pronounce to the Real Academia Española, the institution tasked with maintaining the consistency of the Spanish language, saying it’s unnecessary. Some even argued non-Latino whites imposed the word on Latinos.
Bowles argues against this notion. 'White people did not make up Latinx,” he says. 'It was queer Latinx people... They are the ones who used the word. Our little subgroup of the community created that. It was created by English-speaking U.S. Latinx people for use in English conversation.'”
I think it's rude and silly to use Latinx when the term "Latino" is generally preferred whether that be on the news or in interpersonal conversations. As for individuals, I think the term used should be the term the person prefers. I once read an account of a Latina lesbian about how her sexual orientation was influenced by her culture and social expectations. She was referred to as a "queer Latinx" person rather than a Latina lesbian, going against her self-description.
However, there are definitely people who use the term "Latinx" to describe themselves and the term almost certainly came from people of Latin descent who didn't identify as male or female, or otherwise didn't want to indicate their gender.
Saying "Latinx" is solely the product of others trying to force Latinos to change their language isn't true, and doing so implies that queer (especially nonbinary) Latinx people and any others who personally prefer "Latinx" aren't actually members of the communities they are a part of.
It's a way to queer code it, because they need to attach themselves to legitimate human rights struggles to feign legitimacy. For the record, in queer spaces folx is also considered cringe by all but the terminally online and performative woke.
Ah, performative woke is a good term. Again, folks is a completely neutral term and it's just cringe way to add some kind of unnecessary inclusivity to something that really doesn't require it.
Lolol this is truly some 2012 SJW Tumblr nonsense. No, fat Dr UK, no Jamie Weisenberg, no Tess Holliday, I will not be paying you for making a tiktok saying "eat the cake, it's ok to take up space".
There are three genocides that I can think of right now, we keep getting warned about an AI bubble bursting that will fuck us all up, there's a nasty strain of flu happening, and the world is still full of starving people. A million real problems are actually happening!
No, I will not be "holding space" for fat "folx".
Honestly, these idiots are way too old for this extremely self centered behavior. Also, America isn't the world but most of America is at least overweight and these dummies are out here acting like they are some rare species that fatness happened to.
This, it just screams performative activism to me. Folks is already gender neutral, and folx can only be portrayed in a written medium format. Even in posts that aren’t by fa’s, talking about other things that sound halfway decent, if they use folx I immediately start questioning their motives
I have a friend who uses it and she has the best of intentions but I always roll my eyes because I don’t think she realizes how useless and performative it is. I’m like… yeah, I get what you’re trying to say but please just think about it for half a second longer. A lot of people just hear it makes them sound more accepting, don’t want to be cancelled on the internet, and don’t think any harder.
I hate to be a stereotypical gen z making fun of millennials but 'folx' is peak straight white millennial slacktivism- all buzzwords and vaguely political social media posts in order to look good or moral online, but no theory of boots on the ground action to back it up. I
Fatphobia gets its DNA from racism. They're inextricable. If you're more concerned with appealing to your white or lighter-skinned audience with images of yourself than you are routinely, visually, and visibly centering the darkest, fattest folx in your abolition/liberation praxis, you're severely limiting the work you intend to do; you're basically just promoting yourself. Do better.
OMG, this is just disgusting.
How is deliberately looking for images of the darkest skinned fat black person to exploit for your own purposes not horribly racist?
I've honestly found the implication that non-Europeans are somehow "meant" to be fat to be horrifically simplistic and racist in itself.
Likewise, the weird infantilization of non-white people and poor people and the assertion that they "need" ultra-processed food in order to truly thrive to be such a frustrating talking point for a number of reasons.
And that's not even getting in to how even if you're disadvantaged or marginalized, you still have a responsibility to take care of yourself to the best of your ability, and my mom's family understood this even after immigrating during a time of hardship (most of them have or currently are outliving a number of the family members on the white American side of my family due to overall better eating and health habits, too).
Thank you. I hate it. They view people of color as props to validate their "movement." They do the same thing to I disabled and LGBT people. They hope they can blend their BS activism with legitimate social movements and hide how self-centered, lazy and dangerous their rhetoric actually is.
Are they going to acknowledge that Black people historically experience higher rates of hypertension, diabetes and other metabolic diseases than White populations? That pushing this lifestyle endangers them at higher rates? Of course not, because they don't actually give a shit.
They don't give a shit about health risks until it's THEM and then they're crying about it while all the other members of their brainwashed cult start abandoning them.
POC are, iirc, more prone to start having issues at a lower level of fat (like asian women had a suggested BMI of 23 instead of 25 as the threshold for overweight I believe?), they should be advocating for them to be thinner/eat healthy, not get as fat as they can just because their ancestors coming from fucking Tikal Temples itself ran from a famine.
They hate on BMI but then use this far more arbitrary definition?! Sizes vary within brands let alone within between shops, countries or entire continents!
Good point. My BMI is 24.7 but the leggings I’m wearing are labeled L-XL PLUS SIZE because they’re Chinese made and I’m 5’8”. When I was clinically obese none of the Chinese brands on Amazon would have fit me at all.
How many X In front of L (extra large, extra extra large etc)
The old simplistic sizing system that is like all even numbers. 00 is extra small, 0-2 is small, somewhere like 8-10 used to be average. I think the largest I remember seeing in mainstream stores was like an 18-20.
Torrid is a shop for plus-size people so they have their own sizing system. So Torrid 00-1 is apparently similar to an XL shirt.
I'm a man who definitely needs to get back into shape (spine injuries suck) and I wear XL shirts. And I'm not a small guy. Its just XL, so its just one X in front of the L. This apparently makes me privileged somehow.
I also don't make any excuses for it other than my own self. I used to be very active, cycling over 100 miles a week, every week. Its tough not being able to stand up for more than a few minutes at a time. When they say lift with your legs and use correct posture they mean it. Take care of your backs and spines, everyone!
Oooh that reminds me - since I’ve been losing weight I got an email from Torrid that I hadn’t used my credit card in over a year and if I didn’t use it soon it would get cancelled.
All I could think was “mission accomplished” (though, I did get a pair of pants since my ass is still in their 00-0 range).
Re: slide 3, I’m confused what they want thin or less fat people to even do? Are people supposed to just ask random businesses about seat sizing and capacity? I feel like you’d just get confused reactions doing that if you obviously are not going to have problems fitting in their seats because this really isn’t at the forefront of the average person’s mind.
Yes, apparently non-infinifat people are supposed to ask for accommodations for infiniat people to ramp up demand numbers. So it's not just the few people who make themselves too sick to function who ask for that, but others too.
Honestly, I'd love it if extremely overweight people (I forgot the progression of sizing) had accomodations for the same price as others. First, I'd love not having to share an armrest with my seat neighbour because I could just let them hang down next to my body and I'd absolutely LOVE not having leg contact at all with my seat neighbour. Both would make flights a way less sweatier affair!
And if self-inflicted DiSaBiLiTiEs get accomodated, the extralong legs I got born wirh could get accommodated too without me having to pay for extra for a seat in the emergency row. Shit's expensive.
I mentioned this on Reddit before not too long ago, but I have Graves’ disease so I have to go to the endo’s office on a semi frequent basis when I’m having a flare
Most of the people who go there have T2D and obese. and the seats in the waiting room are large enough for 3 of me
I guess it’s good to have the goal of improving stamina, strength, and range of motion? That’s kind of what HAES should have always been—that you shouldn’t let your weight or size stop you from eating healthy and moving around. But when you do that, there are a couple things you’ll run into:
Unless you also up your intake, movement will increase your TDEE, resulting in slower weight gain, maintenance, or weight loss, depending on the numbers involved.
Fitness only gets you so far. I mean, fuck, I barely even care about shrinking my body at this point. Admittedly, I think it’d be nice to be a bit slimmer and thinness/fitness is my preferred aesthetic, but I agree that beauty standards are not the most important thing in life and it’s not my primary goal. However, it is a necessary side effect of all the other goals. Even if I was somehow maintaining my weight while upping physical activity, you’re working harder instead of smarter. Yeah, I can walk further than I could last year ~50 pounds ago—but how much of that is because I’m more active and how much of that is because it’s far less strain on my legs, hips, and back? I could increase my strength to carry my weight from place to place… or make it so the whole task is suddenly way easier. Range of motion is a joke, though. Fat people can totally be pretty active, but stuff like agility and range of motion are always gonna be hard for the obvious physical reasons. You either lose the weight or you accept the loss in physical ability.
“If you’re in a body that’s smaller and far more privileged than mine, yet you incessantly talk about the need to shrink it, what must you think about my body or any body that’s bigger than yours?” I think that, if you’re at the point where you can’t find clothes that fit you properly, then you should lose weight. Being slightly overweight isn’t a huge problem, being so large that you cannot clothe yourself because you have too much mass is definitely a problem. Why on earth would anyone want to live a life where they’re trapped in their own body, that sounds like hell.
Fat logic really pmo sometimes but this one was a real shit storm
Edit: adding this on to rant, but equating black people with being obese is always so offensive to me, and I say this as a black person. Many of my relatives are skinny, many black people in my community are skinny, some of them are even smaller than white people. The default setting for black people is not obese, and using us to justify your addiction and own poor choices is (in my personal opinion and experience) more racist than not supporting a fat, black creator. It is so frustrating to hear fat activists try to lump themselves in with other groups that actually suffer every day for things they CAN’T change. So many people in my life have faced forms of racism in one way or another, but we can’t just up and change our skin colour for an easier life. You’re super morbidly obese? Change that. Make your life better for yourself so you don’t have to struggle just to use the toilet or get dressed. The world will never revolve around you, no matter how much you try to guilt it into doing so.
Thank you, as another black woman. Which stereotype are they going to agree with: that we're normally athletic and good at sports (i.e. basketball and track), or we're supposed to be obese in order to reject the European beauty standard? It's just too much. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I'm European and the black people I see are from Africa, they're almost always very fit. I can recall just a couple of older men being a bit overweight, but absolutely mobile and in fact quite majestic in their traditional clothes. Our stereotype is African genes --> skinny with lean muscles. If the US created the conditions for that specific societal situation, it doesn't mean being fat is inherent to being of African descent. Trying to piggy ride actual issues to legitimise their inability to put down the fork is outrageous, I can only imagine how bothered you could be (even more so because I've only seen white people claiming this).
Am I supposed to be horrified by the notion that they think I might think they need to shrink their body? Um… I do think that. I used to be obese and my opinion is it sucked to be that weight. I think obese people are needlessly making their lives harder in every possible way. It’s their life and if they’re okay with being disabled because of their weight, that’s up to them, but it’s not my responsibility to not believe something that is true or not talk about fitness and healthy eating, which is a passion of mine that is sometimes coupled with the topic of weight loss. I don’t bring up about weight loss with random people who are bigger than me, that’s just tacky, but I don’t believe it should be a taboo subject in the appropriate context and I’m not going to treat it that way.
Yeah, I don't give unsolicited advice to people about their size, even as a therapist who specializes in ED. I also don't demonize weight loss because it's a personal choice to take care of your health. However, when they use loaded terms like "intentional weight loss" and "shrinking your body", it's a trick to normalize these terms. I have heard other therapists and dieticians use these terms and it's frustrating. 🧐
at first I thought the first measurement in CM must be fucking body height, but noooo turns out this is the bust. I am normal weighted and have huge fucking honkers (thinking about reduction) and have like 105cm circumference with 80cm underbust and feel like this is huge already, this is double the size of an average breasted healthy weight woman, wtf
I remember on my big fat fabulous life, they took the measurements of a 400 pound woman and they couldn't get the measuring tape around her hips and had to get a bigger tape because she had 70 inches hips.
I think jaebae claimed to be a 6x/34 and was 550 pounds. At that weight, you could be too fat to fit in 2 chairs and break both chairs at once.
550 pounds would be enough to damage the suspension of my car.
I'm supposed to put in a lot of work and on top of all that I'm the one who is supposed to PAY FOR IT? Excuse me? Where is the part that tells me what is in it for me? What do I get out of it? This isn't even trying to convince me, it's just 100% entitlement.
They want to equate fatphobia to racism so badly because at least with anti-racism, we know people should be against racism because it’s obviously the right thing to do. Bigotry is bad; it’s not even based in facts, and it leads to very real violence against people for something they cannot control at all. Most people find the not being racist itself to be sufficient motivation to not be racist.
But considering what FAs classify as anti-fat bigotry, it’s much harder to convince people to get on board with that. Sure, we shouldn’t bully fat people and make them feel bad because of their weight. That’s an easy one because that’s what decent people would do and many people want to be decent. No problem. Except that’s not the only goal of fat activism. Their other demands always include some combination of disregarding the science about weight-related health effects, various parts of the world being completely re-engineered to accommodate them because some things physically cannot support certain weights (pesky gravity!) or are highly unsafe for them (surgery and medication dosages, for one thing), and being sexually attracted to them.
As a class, unlike various marginalized groups, they’re not systemically disadvantaged. There have never been laws prohibiting people from working, owning property, marrying, etc., all because of their weight. There isn’t a notable statistical risk of being hate-crimed just because they’re fat, the criminal justice system doesn’t historically have gaps where violence against a fat person would go unpunished due to bias—many hate crimes against marginalized people have had that happen. Weight is also largely controllable, at least to the extent that it’s not that hard to not be “infinifat.” Actual thinness and fitness is harder for some people for a whole range of reasons, but being healthy or even mildly overweight is realistic enough and you can at least get to a point where it won’t impede your ability to participate in society.
There’s just nothing appealing to anyone’s basic sense of justice here. The most you’ll ever get people to agree on is that we shouldn’t be mean to fat people because yeah, we shouldn’t. Too many of the claims of fatphobia are not based in reality and it’s easy to disprove them, or there’s a perfectly sensible reason for why the system works that way in the first place. And all of this is over something that can more or less be changed, which takes away a lot of sympathy points.
Not to mention the crazy amount of financial privilege required to be “infinifat” in the first place. You don’t get to a 6X—300, 400+ lbs if not more—solely through a cheap and kinda shitty diet, moderate overeating, or health issues that can make being thin really hard. That one is caused by extreme overeating. For one, it means you can afford huge quantities of food. Being severely disabled by your size might affect your ability to work, which has to be accommodated by either not working or having a remote job or a non-physical labor job; that’s not a privilege that everyone has. If you have to resort to either sewing your own clothes or having them tailored, that takes money, too. Lots of indicators of privilege in the lifestyle, and most people don’t feel all that bad for extremely privileged people at the end of the day.
Sorry but if you're able to eat to that point and still have a roof over your head because of disability benefits or flexible work, then you ARE privileged. Extremely so
As someone who is on disability benefits, it is extremely privileged because I want to know how they keep receiving those benefits.
Disability benefits alone can’t pay for that kind of food bill. Which means they have some sort of alternative income. But my income on disability is capped and if I go over it, they start deducting from my disability benefits because I have an actual income. So are they being subsidized by family? Friends? Debt? Feeders? What’s the situation here? Because they can’t be claiming benefits and still be claiming to live in poverty when they can eat way more than the rest of us can afford to.
Talking incessantly about weight loss = mentioning it under any circumstances no matter what (including medical purposes), even just in passing to other people in other conversations they are not present for or intended to hear.
If they’re comfortable with themselves they shouldn’t care about people talking about weight loss, in the same way I don’t feel insecure if someone talks about going to the gym
Holy hell I never realized Torrid had ridiculous vanity sizing. It feels really wrong that they are helping obese people play mental gymnastics to convince themselves that they “aren’t that fat”.
It’s not on all their stuff - some of their jeans use regular sizing (12-28 or whatever they stop at) and their bras use the regular band/cup size standard.
I’m not even considered fat by this chart! I have a high body fat percentage and weigh roughly around the tippy top of a healthy BMI, but you have to be technically plus-size for this OOP to care, I guess. I was probably “small fat” at my absolute highest weight… mind you, at the time, I was considered obese and I sure felt it.
I am overweight/obese (idk which one means which in english..) and i am around size 46 in polish/european sizes
Also yes i am trying to lose weight but its not very easy cuz of my mental and physical health but im still not giving up!! I lost from 100kg to 90kg once so i can do it again and even more!!
you can do it!! as for the english definitions, overweight is considered a bmi of 25 to 30, and obese is anything greater than 30. but in casual conversation people generally just say “overweight” as an umbrella term and “obese” is considered more medical, i’d say.
And remind me again of the violence that affects them? Are they victims of police brutality, or an unfair judicial system? Or are they being deported for no reason ? 🦗🦗
Omg #4 saying center the most marginalized, aka fattest, person at your work. Can you imagine being a sane, normal fat person who has nothing to do with fat activism and some skinny weirdo at work keeps trying to "center" you?!?
Like there's a group discussion and skinny colleague is like "fat Martha/Matt, what do you think about the change proposal? As a marginalized fat person, I think it's important we hold space for your thoughts, too. Do you have anything to add to the proposal, my infinifat colleague?".
I was long under the impression that Old Navy had the most generous sizing, but turns out I’d be a size smaller in Torrid! So these folks are even larger than they’ve listed here. American shops are wild.
Anyhoo, more on topic, I’m disabled and do not have the time or energy to call up my local theatres and ask how wide the seats are, nor do I have the money to pay these activists. They can make up for it by cutting back on their food budgets.
How would it even work to make everything accessible? I’m all for accessibility in general, but let’s say (for example) a restaurant has seating that goes up to 500 pounds. Then if someone bigger than that comes in, suddenly not accessible. There is not a way to accommodate all possible sizes and shapes.
It reminds me of these annoying Disney influencers called “plussizedparkhoppers” who do all these videos like “have you wanted to eat at this mediocre Disney restaurant but aren’t sure you’d fit?” Like at what point do you not have a wake up call?
Nevermind that these supposed accessibility activists never seem to care one iota about little people/ those with dwarfism. Or people 6 1/2+ feet tall...
No offense to “infinifat” people but I’m not showing up for them. There are none in my life and I don’t plan on “making space” for them. There is nothing in my life that has room for someone that big, literally or figuratively. I cannot accommodate someone like that. It sucks but that’s the reality. And regular people do not have to accommodate you. When we talk about accommodations being a right, they’re a legal right. The rest of the world isn’t obligated.
Also, I say this as a disabled person. I know full well the average Joe on the street has no obligation to accommodate me if he doesn’t want to and while I may find it inconvenient or rude, I do have to live with it and go on with my day.
It's also not our job to shield you from the inconvenient consequences of choices you made of your own volition.
We will not be bankrupting ourselves to buy reinforced furniture on the off-chance that you visit.
We will not be doing labour and time intensive recon worthy of a military operation, just to grab lunch with you.
We will most certainly not 'pay you to educate us'. Are you mental? The only person who should be subjected to your word salady, narcissistic monologues about how the world owes you is a mental health professional.
Being triple your body weight has consequences that you can't lie and bully your way out of.
You might not like that, I don't like how expensive housing is or how pre employment drug tests detect weed for a whole month after you stop, or how brutal 7-OH withdrawals are. Life isn't fair deal with it.
"Speaking of black, did you know you are racist towards black people (specifically, and solely) if you acknowledge obesity is a life-threatening health condition?"
Nope. I'm going to continue to bitch about the fact that the pain doctor has bariatric chairs but not padded chairs in the exam rooms and it's painful to sit
"Ask hard, uncomfortable questions" but then when we ask the hard questions about how their weight impacts their health and their day-to-day lives suddenly we're the problem
Call me whatever you like, but I think if I was too big to sit on a public restroom without breaking it, that should be a wake up call to lose weight. Imagine what that weight is doing to their knees and organs. Yes, people become so big that they break toilets.
I seen BIPOC call the FA activists out for how they include racism in their discussions. Many of them are white women who imply that BIPOC people are supposed to be fat, so how dare you dislike fatness. This inturn promotes the idea that diet and exercise is a white people thing, which isn't great, everyone needs to exercise.
It’s not anyone else’s responsibility to clear the way for you. If your butt can’t fit through the door, that’s your problem. JFC, these people are exhausting.
As someone who works pretty hard at the gym, I feel they are privileged to be able to eat whatever and as much as they want without the burden of counting calories or macros.
Okay, first, grow up beyond age 23 or so. Next, get real job, a real education, maybe get laid? Start a family? Us actual adults in our 30s and beyond have zero fucks to give about your self-created pretend problems. We're out here living or lives and making it work in all different types of bodies without constantly bitching and demanding accommodations and ass-pats for literally no fucking reason. Christ, the entitlement.
Let's get this straight and make it clear. When you lose weight, you're not "shrinking your body."
The word "shrinking" carries a lot of weight here (ope!), implying concepts like diminishing, fading, weakening, and becoming lesser. Which is exactly why FA's always use it.
When you lose weight, you are not "shrinking your body." You are simply reducing the amount of fat deposits on and within it. That's all.
You as a whole may also reduce the circumference of your waistline or the number on your clothing labels, but you are not fading away. No essential element of your psyche or of your innate being is being stripped from you. They need to stop it with the manipulative "shrinking" language, trying to evoke pity as if they're a sad, doomed, wilting flower.
Pay you? For giving me unsolicited evil thins insults? People these days think their ignorant opinions are worth a lot dam.
Also I love how the "all those are goals I also have", like, I wouldn't know if you hadn't told me going by their actions, it seems more like they're all but chopping up their limbs themselves to get rid of all possible autonomy and mobility.
Thank you, OOP, I'll make certain I do none of these things ever. And, if you're that morbidly obese, you are not going to achieve any of those goals you claim you have-"improve stamina, strength, range of motion, etc" without losing weight/"shrinking". In fact, those things will continue to decline unless you do. Too bad for you if you deny that; you'll find out just how true it is the hard way.
#6- take their bank/credit cards (leave them with ONLY the SNAP EBT card I'm sure they have, so they'll have to start budgeting roughly $270/month max for food), and send their caretaker on vacation.
That way the pounds will start to EVAPORATE. And once they're able to get out of bed they will squeeze into their 1996 minivan to go to Walmart (it's ALWAYS Walmart...) and will put $800 worth of garbage into their overloaded cart, and once they realize they can't pay for it all they will make a run/waddle for it, and wind up in jail, where they will lose weight even faster.
THIS is how to TRULY show support for 'Infinifats' IMO.
😁
lol yes I am immensely privileged to be in a smaller body I don’t disagree but there is some degree of participation required on the individual required to get to be an infinifat size. These are just the comforting lies the severely obese tell themselves while they’re young enough not to worry about dying in their sleep from apnoea.
Talking about the barriers described here as being the result of "thin privilege" instead of being the consequences of chronic overeating is peak fatlogic.
Something tells me that the “hard, uncomfortable questions” they want me to ask do not include things like…
I would love to know how much they spend on food.
My mother in laws fridge and pantry were more full than mine for a family of at the time 4 people. Now that I've got a family of 5 (2 adult 3 kids) we buy more than her but that's mostly because my older kids are hitting growth spurts and in elementary school.
It was very eye opening.
My fridge is pretty full right now, but only because I just bought a lot of raw veggies, and stocked up on yogurt that was on sale.
I'm don't eat fast food of any kind (got e-coli nearly 20yrs ago after a misguided post-clubbing takeaway meal, so even the smell outside fast food joints makes me nauseated), so I don't keep up with prices.
However, there was drama at a local place last week, and being a nosey cow, I peeked through the window to get an eyeful of the aftermath.
Glanced at the menu, and I was genuinely shocked by the prices. It makes the 'healthy food is expensive!' excuse even more ridiculous.
So, if someone is getting fast food on the regular, they've got to be spending £150+ per week on that alone.
There was actually a 'health of the community' census type thing in my town a few years ago, with some startling findings. This was pre-Uber Eats, too, so God knows how bad it is now.
One that struck me was, for the 'how many times a week do you buy fast food?' section, the morbidly obese demographic dominated the 'every day' and '3+ times per day' options.
Kinda puts the 'I gain on a 400 calorie diet!' claims into perspective.
I'd imagine that it wouldn't necessarily be all that much? If you lie in bed all day, crippled by your own body, your TDEE might not be all that high? And sugary, greasy processed shit is pretty inexpensive.
Depends where you live, I guess. But in my country fast food has gotten pretty expensive. Also, even if individual items are inexpensive it still ads up quickly when you over-consume them every single day. I know because I did spend a year saving the money I would have otherwise spent on sweet coffee drinks.
It's gotten pretty expensive here, too, at least in my area. And junk food, especially the name brands, isn't cheap.
If you're infinifat, your TDEE will be very high. You need a lot of energy to keep that mass at the right temperature. Movement is secondary.
Nah, I'm quite disabled, don't do much beyond lay around, weigh 130lbs and I still spend a fortune on food, lol. My BMR is still around 1400 calories. The BMR of someone double my weight or more must be a pretty significant amount.
I actually agree with this take. Now disclaimer, I know I am obese (215lbs atm, so far 17lbs down from my highest).
But me, with my 215lbs, at 5'7, and a very active job & lifestyle needs about 2800 calories a day to maintain my weight. The reason I got big in the first place - despite my job and life style, is because eating 3-4k calories a day is surprisingly easy if you have a sweet tooth. like that is "normal" amount of food + a little extra food, and then 1-3 chocolate bars. it is so so easy to eat more than that.
But a person being 5'7, and 350lbs, and light exercise is 3.200cals a day to maintain that. that is 1 extra snack a day. Heck, an energy drink/soda can easily pack in 500cals too.
400lbs and sedentary? 3k cals a day, so even less than the lightly active person (so office job, and no exercise - not even light walks 1-3times a week).
650lbs and sedentary, 4.5k cals ish. That is not difficult to eat!
Okay for me it is lol. But it's not like people start eating 4-6kcals overnight. it slowly slides up. 100 extra here and 200 extra there.
I never got over 230lbs because sugary food is very expensive where I live (we even got something called a sugar tax (extra VAT on anything unhealthy)). But if I lived in the US I'd be cooked, as food was my therapy for ages until I actually got some therapy and stopped eating my emotions.
Also I despise fatlogic for this reason. Food and weight does not define your value as a person. It is just basic math of fuel in vs fuel consumed. And these "influencers" who try to cause misinformation and confusion, and making the issue of marginalized communities about themselves - are wilfully leading people into fire.
This is so true. Fat people - including past me - often don’t realize how little calorie dense food you need to pack on the pounds. A large latte with a few pumps of syrup - an extra 500 calories. A big single size chips - 400 calories. Do that a couple times a week each, and you’re gaining two lbs a month.
My soul left my body when I found out what two tablespoons of peanut butter actually looked like IRL instead of in my big back imagination. I was eating an extra 500 calories and acting like I was so healthy because it was organic peanut butter or something.
I watched someone drink 500+ calories of lemonade today at lunch (7 servings in the bottle, 2 people each had one, and then the third person slowly drank the rest of it over about 3 hours). That was the end of lunch, I don't know how much they drank during the meal. The bottle of lemonade cost $3, so $2.14 for more calories that I would eat for a whole meal.
Real on the being cooked if I lived in the US. there's so much food with empty, nonsatiating calories that I would probably reach 250kg
Maintaining a weight that high is still going to take a lot of calories, even if they’re not moving much.
Me too. And what food they commonly buy.
I remember when jaebae went to jail, they showed a mugshot of her after 1-2 months and it was shocking how much weight she lost.
Also, what do you actually eat on a given day, and how much?
The answer to that is clear: barely anything, less than 1000 calories, and far less than a thin person.
While swimming 3 miles per day!
Uphill both ways!
It doesn’t matter how much. There ancestors went through famines therefore their genetics will go hang onto to weight even if they only 500 calories a day, plus they’re skin and bones at 200 pounds. DUH!
Here lies Secret_Fudge6470. She died of simultaneous laughter and disgust.
But wait, there's more! It works best if you use your roommate's late mother's washcloths. Based on a true story!
We need to pay morbidly obese people for "educating" us? We already know the risks associated with being morbidly obese, we don't need fat people to tell us they're inherently unhealthy
More accurately, you need to pay them for educating you into joining their misinformation cult.
My bmi is currently in the obese category, does this mean I can only get money from people for talking shit until I hit the overweight category? Or do I get a pay reduction. I can't believe I'm missing out on so much money, I wish an infinityobese told me this before
And ensuring they are adequately accommodated wherever they go.
They fr want us to pay them to indoctrinate us into indentured servitude 😭😭 ain't no way
O***e is a slur word. Now pay me for educating you.
lol I ain’t paying Virgie Tovar shit
Apparently others are more than happy to
She’s not even infinifat?
Yup but they are not aging well. They’re only in their early forties
Tess holiday is 500 pounds now. She has put on a shocking amount of weight since 2018.
Jaebae is 29 and 550 pounds.
Tess is very late thirties or even early forties. JaeBae lost weight in prison?
There was a picture where she's appeared to lose a large amount of weight.
https://www.google.com/search?q=jaebae+jail&client=firefox-b-1-m&hs=nO1o&sa=X&sca_esv=07c731994a9b3ba1&udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHwdlVWI4oi2g38E8_BbusNm3pTf6ItdW8-u0JVVBgXow2SS4XfWu_GDEb99WFnlrQSktTGOlT00oA1ySzrJSTEgE3bpuUecYZy8aTeI76-yRveD2TcfiQMVVTx_ZyiM3ZtdKZ1_YzVJy_k71E0rIa4VVlqPe2y7wLlnyhawt8VO6FQMqB8tFcHuEVAnMc7bzPLSEDJu-HTYkOIxOFvQ-z-09vykTRmC-K-y4PbrSappVmEUhu8&ved=0ahUKEwin4-3Hl9CRAxXfEzQIHWNkLmcQtKgLCBk&biw=205&bih=420&dpr=1.88#sv=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
Yeah that’s the one, the prison system does not have a high tolerance for fat logic in
>Get to know us and PAY US FOR EDUCATING YOU!
The self-righteous condescension and entitlement leaps out yet again.
>Fatphobia gets its DNA from racism.
A lot of these are the same people who make the most sweeping, simplistic, racist generalizations about Asians and AsianAms imaginable, or just outright ignore the existence of thin non-white people when it's convenient.
It's a very American stereotype to expect black people to be fat, the African people in my European country are generally very fit and skinny.
A lot of them (most, I think) are obese white woman with a bad case of white savior complex; somehow the starvation obesity syndrome never appeared in concentration camps, only in western white women of the 21st century. Similarly, a lot of them have never traveled beyond USA, so they can't wrap their minds about us POC chilling in our countries managing our weight like everyone else does.
Like my country isn't the fittest country in Latin America but at least here there's definitely less of an obesogenic culture in the sense that people will most definitely not coddle you if you're fat and you need nourishment for your tumtum.
Honestly the part that pisses me off the most is the word “folx.”
That was exactly what I was thinking. I'm almost numb to the fact that they bring race into it, but 'folx'? Why? Does that make it more inclusive than folks in some way?
I read it as virtue signaling only a couple of degrees less obnoxious than ‘Latinx’
Otherwise known as “white people shit”. No one who’s Hispanic or Latino uses “Latinx”.
that's american shit, not white people shit.
Yes, because often Americans who use this term don't understand it's imposible to gender neutral Spanish (you can try but it's gonna be a mess) so masculine IS our gender neutral. Latino is already gender neutral if you need it to be. No need to be hand-wringing trying to change our language
i hear this take a lot, but my partner is mexican and they were the first person i ever heard use the term "Latinx."
While it's true that the term "Latinx" isn't commonly used among Hispanic or Latino communities, it isn't "white people shit" (at least, not exclusively). Denying that there are people who actually self-describe with the term is unreasonable, even if its use can seem annoying or the product of virtue signalling. I think it's possible to recognize and respect Latinx as a term, especially one that queer people use, while also recognizing that Latino is used more generally when referring to groups/communities and that most people (being cis or binary trans) will self identify with either Latino or Latina.
The origins of the term aren't fully clear, but it likely stemmed from queer/nonbinary/genderqueer Latinx people coming up with language to describe themselves.
"Latine and Latinx both originated among Spanish-speaking LGBTQ+ communities as a means of being gender inclusive...Many objections to the terms’ use are criticized as being rooted in anti-LGBTQ+ and particularly anti-nonbinary sentiments. In particular, politicized backlash has arisen in response to gender-inclusive efforts that often involve such terms, with notable examples including a ban on gender-neutral language in Argentina and Florida’s Don’t Say Gay Bill in the US."
https://www.dictionary.com/articles/latine-vs-latinx
"Much like the other words used to describe those of Latin American descent, Latinx has faced some pushback—from arguments that it’s difficult to pronounce to the Real Academia Española, the institution tasked with maintaining the consistency of the Spanish language, saying it’s unnecessary. Some even argued non-Latino whites imposed the word on Latinos.
Bowles argues against this notion. 'White people did not make up Latinx,” he says. 'It was queer Latinx people... They are the ones who used the word. Our little subgroup of the community created that. It was created by English-speaking U.S. Latinx people for use in English conversation.'”
https://www.history.com/articles/hispanic-latino-latinx-chicano-background
As an addendum instead of another edit:
According to the PEW Research Center, the majority of Latino people disagree with the use of the term "Latinx." https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/09/12/u-s-latinos-views-of-latinx-and-its-use/
I think it's rude and silly to use Latinx when the term "Latino" is generally preferred whether that be on the news or in interpersonal conversations. As for individuals, I think the term used should be the term the person prefers. I once read an account of a Latina lesbian about how her sexual orientation was influenced by her culture and social expectations. She was referred to as a "queer Latinx" person rather than a Latina lesbian, going against her self-description.
However, there are definitely people who use the term "Latinx" to describe themselves and the term almost certainly came from people of Latin descent who didn't identify as male or female, or otherwise didn't want to indicate their gender.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/word-history-latinx
Saying "Latinx" is solely the product of others trying to force Latinos to change their language isn't true, and doing so implies that queer (especially nonbinary) Latinx people and any others who personally prefer "Latinx" aren't actually members of the communities they are a part of.
I don’t get it because “folks” is a term that’s inclusive of everyone already.
Ironically, "folx" seems more unintentionally othering than "folks" (which was already pretty broad and naturally inclusive on its own).
All I can think of is Bender (futurama) saying "The X makes it sound cool". But let's replace cool with either 'inclusive' or 'woke'.
It's a way to queer code it, because they need to attach themselves to legitimate human rights struggles to feign legitimacy. For the record, in queer spaces folx is also considered cringe by all but the terminally online and performative woke.
Ah, performative woke is a good term. Again, folks is a completely neutral term and it's just cringe way to add some kind of unnecessary inclusivity to something that really doesn't require it.
I was so enraged by "PAY US FOR EDUCATING YOU" I didn't even notice "folx". Which normally is pretty irritating to me.
Lolol this is truly some 2012 SJW Tumblr nonsense. No, fat Dr UK, no Jamie Weisenberg, no Tess Holliday, I will not be paying you for making a tiktok saying "eat the cake, it's ok to take up space".
There are three genocides that I can think of right now, we keep getting warned about an AI bubble bursting that will fuck us all up, there's a nasty strain of flu happening, and the world is still full of starving people. A million real problems are actually happening!
No, I will not be "holding space" for fat "folx".
Honestly, these idiots are way too old for this extremely self centered behavior. Also, America isn't the world but most of America is at least overweight and these dummies are out here acting like they are some rare species that fatness happened to.
That got me, too.
This, it just screams performative activism to me. Folks is already gender neutral, and folx can only be portrayed in a written medium format. Even in posts that aren’t by fa’s, talking about other things that sound halfway decent, if they use folx I immediately start questioning their motives
I have a friend who uses it and she has the best of intentions but I always roll my eyes because I don’t think she realizes how useless and performative it is. I’m like… yeah, I get what you’re trying to say but please just think about it for half a second longer. A lot of people just hear it makes them sound more accepting, don’t want to be cancelled on the internet, and don’t think any harder.
I hate to be a stereotypical gen z making fun of millennials but 'folx' is peak straight white millennial slacktivism- all buzzwords and vaguely political social media posts in order to look good or moral online, but no theory of boots on the ground action to back it up. I
Especially given that "folks" is already neutral and broadly inclusive.
To infinifat….and beyond!
G A L A C T I F A T
They should have to pay you for educating them with that term. It’s glorious.
To boldly be fat as nobody has been before.
I remember when the preferred term was “deathfat “
OMG, this is just disgusting.
How is deliberately looking for images of the darkest skinned fat black person to exploit for your own purposes not horribly racist?
I've honestly found the implication that non-Europeans are somehow "meant" to be fat to be horrifically simplistic and racist in itself.
Likewise, the weird infantilization of non-white people and poor people and the assertion that they "need" ultra-processed food in order to truly thrive to be such a frustrating talking point for a number of reasons.
And that's not even getting in to how even if you're disadvantaged or marginalized, you still have a responsibility to take care of yourself to the best of your ability, and my mom's family understood this even after immigrating during a time of hardship (most of them have or currently are outliving a number of the family members on the white American side of my family due to overall better eating and health habits, too).
Thank you. I hate it. They view people of color as props to validate their "movement." They do the same thing to I disabled and LGBT people. They hope they can blend their BS activism with legitimate social movements and hide how self-centered, lazy and dangerous their rhetoric actually is.
Are they going to acknowledge that Black people historically experience higher rates of hypertension, diabetes and other metabolic diseases than White populations? That pushing this lifestyle endangers them at higher rates? Of course not, because they don't actually give a shit.
They don't give a shit about health risks until it's THEM and then they're crying about it while all the other members of their brainwashed cult start abandoning them.
POC are, iirc, more prone to start having issues at a lower level of fat (like asian women had a suggested BMI of 23 instead of 25 as the threshold for overweight I believe?), they should be advocating for them to be thinner/eat healthy, not get as fat as they can just because their ancestors coming from fucking Tikal Temples itself ran from a famine.
Yep Black people too according to the NHS and the NHS BMI calculator 23 is the cut-off.
I understand none of these numbers in the second picture.
The numbers are clothing sizes.
For reference, I’m 5’5” and when I weighed 300lb (BMI 50), I wore a 3x and size 24, so I would have been considered “mid fat.”
They hate on BMI but then use this far more arbitrary definition?! Sizes vary within brands let alone within between shops, countries or entire continents!
"IT'S OK WHEN WE DO IT, SHITLORD!!!"
They can only see the world in terms of clothes, plane seats, and fuckability.
I don't know if those size specifically vary between continents because I doubt they're sold outside of North America.
Good point. My BMI is 24.7 but the leggings I’m wearing are labeled L-XL PLUS SIZE because they’re Chinese made and I’m 5’8”. When I was clinically obese none of the Chinese brands on Amazon would have fit me at all.
Clothing sizes.
How many X In front of L (extra large, extra extra large etc)
The old simplistic sizing system that is like all even numbers. 00 is extra small, 0-2 is small, somewhere like 8-10 used to be average. I think the largest I remember seeing in mainstream stores was like an 18-20.
Torrid is a shop for plus-size people so they have their own sizing system. So Torrid 00-1 is apparently similar to an XL shirt.
Its wild how big the sizes get.
I'm a man who definitely needs to get back into shape (spine injuries suck) and I wear XL shirts. And I'm not a small guy. Its just XL, so its just one X in front of the L. This apparently makes me privileged somehow.
I also don't make any excuses for it other than my own self. I used to be very active, cycling over 100 miles a week, every week. Its tough not being able to stand up for more than a few minutes at a time. When they say lift with your legs and use correct posture they mean it. Take care of your backs and spines, everyone!
Oooh that reminds me - since I’ve been losing weight I got an email from Torrid that I hadn’t used my credit card in over a year and if I didn’t use it soon it would get cancelled.
All I could think was “mission accomplished” (though, I did get a pair of pants since my ass is still in their 00-0 range).
Re: slide 3, I’m confused what they want thin or less fat people to even do? Are people supposed to just ask random businesses about seat sizing and capacity? I feel like you’d just get confused reactions doing that if you obviously are not going to have problems fitting in their seats because this really isn’t at the forefront of the average person’s mind.
Yes, apparently non-infinifat people are supposed to ask for accommodations for infiniat people to ramp up demand numbers. So it's not just the few people who make themselves too sick to function who ask for that, but others too.
Honestly, I'd love it if extremely overweight people (I forgot the progression of sizing) had accomodations for the same price as others. First, I'd love not having to share an armrest with my seat neighbour because I could just let them hang down next to my body and I'd absolutely LOVE not having leg contact at all with my seat neighbour. Both would make flights a way less sweatier affair!
And if self-inflicted DiSaBiLiTiEs get accomodated, the extralong legs I got born wirh could get accommodated too without me having to pay for extra for a seat in the emergency row. Shit's expensive.
And I'd like a price reduction because clothed me with hand luggage doesn't reach 60 kilos, but I should ask for business class space for them.
I mentioned this on Reddit before not too long ago, but I have Graves’ disease so I have to go to the endo’s office on a semi frequent basis when I’m having a flare
Most of the people who go there have T2D and obese. and the seats in the waiting room are large enough for 3 of me
Enable me! And pay me, too! Or you're a bad person!
That's a bland new level of delusion. I cannot imagine how insufferable OP must be IRL.
I remember when I used to be this brand of insufferable online “activist”.
Then I got a job and left social media. I have so many more friends now lol.
So, like:
I have that question, too.
I guess it’s good to have the goal of improving stamina, strength, and range of motion? That’s kind of what HAES should have always been—that you shouldn’t let your weight or size stop you from eating healthy and moving around. But when you do that, there are a couple things you’ll run into:
Unless you also up your intake, movement will increase your TDEE, resulting in slower weight gain, maintenance, or weight loss, depending on the numbers involved.
Fitness only gets you so far. I mean, fuck, I barely even care about shrinking my body at this point. Admittedly, I think it’d be nice to be a bit slimmer and thinness/fitness is my preferred aesthetic, but I agree that beauty standards are not the most important thing in life and it’s not my primary goal. However, it is a necessary side effect of all the other goals. Even if I was somehow maintaining my weight while upping physical activity, you’re working harder instead of smarter. Yeah, I can walk further than I could last year ~50 pounds ago—but how much of that is because I’m more active and how much of that is because it’s far less strain on my legs, hips, and back? I could increase my strength to carry my weight from place to place… or make it so the whole task is suddenly way easier. Range of motion is a joke, though. Fat people can totally be pretty active, but stuff like agility and range of motion are always gonna be hard for the obvious physical reasons. You either lose the weight or you accept the loss in physical ability.
All of that is racist!
And fascist!
“If you’re in a body that’s smaller and far more privileged than mine, yet you incessantly talk about the need to shrink it, what must you think about my body or any body that’s bigger than yours?” I think that, if you’re at the point where you can’t find clothes that fit you properly, then you should lose weight. Being slightly overweight isn’t a huge problem, being so large that you cannot clothe yourself because you have too much mass is definitely a problem. Why on earth would anyone want to live a life where they’re trapped in their own body, that sounds like hell.
Fat logic really pmo sometimes but this one was a real shit storm
Edit: adding this on to rant, but equating black people with being obese is always so offensive to me, and I say this as a black person. Many of my relatives are skinny, many black people in my community are skinny, some of them are even smaller than white people. The default setting for black people is not obese, and using us to justify your addiction and own poor choices is (in my personal opinion and experience) more racist than not supporting a fat, black creator. It is so frustrating to hear fat activists try to lump themselves in with other groups that actually suffer every day for things they CAN’T change. So many people in my life have faced forms of racism in one way or another, but we can’t just up and change our skin colour for an easier life. You’re super morbidly obese? Change that. Make your life better for yourself so you don’t have to struggle just to use the toilet or get dressed. The world will never revolve around you, no matter how much you try to guilt it into doing so.
Thank you, as another black woman. Which stereotype are they going to agree with: that we're normally athletic and good at sports (i.e. basketball and track), or we're supposed to be obese in order to reject the European beauty standard? It's just too much. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I'm European and the black people I see are from Africa, they're almost always very fit. I can recall just a couple of older men being a bit overweight, but absolutely mobile and in fact quite majestic in their traditional clothes. Our stereotype is African genes --> skinny with lean muscles. If the US created the conditions for that specific societal situation, it doesn't mean being fat is inherent to being of African descent. Trying to piggy ride actual issues to legitimise their inability to put down the fork is outrageous, I can only imagine how bothered you could be (even more so because I've only seen white people claiming this).
Appreciate you, friend. Thanks for that comment. 👏🏾👏🏾
Am I supposed to be horrified by the notion that they think I might think they need to shrink their body? Um… I do think that. I used to be obese and my opinion is it sucked to be that weight. I think obese people are needlessly making their lives harder in every possible way. It’s their life and if they’re okay with being disabled because of their weight, that’s up to them, but it’s not my responsibility to not believe something that is true or not talk about fitness and healthy eating, which is a passion of mine that is sometimes coupled with the topic of weight loss. I don’t bring up about weight loss with random people who are bigger than me, that’s just tacky, but I don’t believe it should be a taboo subject in the appropriate context and I’m not going to treat it that way.
Yeah, I don't give unsolicited advice to people about their size, even as a therapist who specializes in ED. I also don't demonize weight loss because it's a personal choice to take care of your health. However, when they use loaded terms like "intentional weight loss" and "shrinking your body", it's a trick to normalize these terms. I have heard other therapists and dieticians use these terms and it's frustrating. 🧐
The world will indeed revolve around them due to their sheer mass and gravitational pull…
I guess im not showing up for infinifats then. What are they going to do about it?
Also how big is a size 6x/34?
A Torrid size 6x measurements are:
In: 66in-70in Bust 60in-64in waist 72in-76in hip
Cm: 167.64cm-177.8cm Bust 152.4cm-162.56cm waist 182.88cm-193.04cm hip
at first I thought the first measurement in CM must be fucking body height, but noooo turns out this is the bust. I am normal weighted and have huge fucking honkers (thinking about reduction) and have like 105cm circumference with 80cm underbust and feel like this is huge already, this is double the size of an average breasted healthy weight woman, wtf
About the measurement of the bust: put 6 millimeters more, and that's how tall I am.
holy fuck all of those measurements are bigger than my height
Does this mean that if I wrapped my entire evil thin body like a wet noddle across a FA's waist, I still wouldn't be able to encapsulate it all?
Yes.
This is a Torrid 6X which many of them are too big for.
😳.
I remember on my big fat fabulous life, they took the measurements of a 400 pound woman and they couldn't get the measuring tape around her hips and had to get a bigger tape because she had 70 inches hips.
I think jaebae claimed to be a 6x/34 and was 550 pounds. At that weight, you could be too fat to fit in 2 chairs and break both chairs at once.
550 pounds would be enough to damage the suspension of my car.
I'm supposed to put in a lot of work and on top of all that I'm the one who is supposed to PAY FOR IT? Excuse me? Where is the part that tells me what is in it for me? What do I get out of it? This isn't even trying to convince me, it's just 100% entitlement.
They want to equate fatphobia to racism so badly because at least with anti-racism, we know people should be against racism because it’s obviously the right thing to do. Bigotry is bad; it’s not even based in facts, and it leads to very real violence against people for something they cannot control at all. Most people find the not being racist itself to be sufficient motivation to not be racist.
But considering what FAs classify as anti-fat bigotry, it’s much harder to convince people to get on board with that. Sure, we shouldn’t bully fat people and make them feel bad because of their weight. That’s an easy one because that’s what decent people would do and many people want to be decent. No problem. Except that’s not the only goal of fat activism. Their other demands always include some combination of disregarding the science about weight-related health effects, various parts of the world being completely re-engineered to accommodate them because some things physically cannot support certain weights (pesky gravity!) or are highly unsafe for them (surgery and medication dosages, for one thing), and being sexually attracted to them.
As a class, unlike various marginalized groups, they’re not systemically disadvantaged. There have never been laws prohibiting people from working, owning property, marrying, etc., all because of their weight. There isn’t a notable statistical risk of being hate-crimed just because they’re fat, the criminal justice system doesn’t historically have gaps where violence against a fat person would go unpunished due to bias—many hate crimes against marginalized people have had that happen. Weight is also largely controllable, at least to the extent that it’s not that hard to not be “infinifat.” Actual thinness and fitness is harder for some people for a whole range of reasons, but being healthy or even mildly overweight is realistic enough and you can at least get to a point where it won’t impede your ability to participate in society.
There’s just nothing appealing to anyone’s basic sense of justice here. The most you’ll ever get people to agree on is that we shouldn’t be mean to fat people because yeah, we shouldn’t. Too many of the claims of fatphobia are not based in reality and it’s easy to disprove them, or there’s a perfectly sensible reason for why the system works that way in the first place. And all of this is over something that can more or less be changed, which takes away a lot of sympathy points.
Not to mention the crazy amount of financial privilege required to be “infinifat” in the first place. You don’t get to a 6X—300, 400+ lbs if not more—solely through a cheap and kinda shitty diet, moderate overeating, or health issues that can make being thin really hard. That one is caused by extreme overeating. For one, it means you can afford huge quantities of food. Being severely disabled by your size might affect your ability to work, which has to be accommodated by either not working or having a remote job or a non-physical labor job; that’s not a privilege that everyone has. If you have to resort to either sewing your own clothes or having them tailored, that takes money, too. Lots of indicators of privilege in the lifestyle, and most people don’t feel all that bad for extremely privileged people at the end of the day.
Sorry but if you're able to eat to that point and still have a roof over your head because of disability benefits or flexible work, then you ARE privileged. Extremely so
As someone who is on disability benefits, it is extremely privileged because I want to know how they keep receiving those benefits.
Disability benefits alone can’t pay for that kind of food bill. Which means they have some sort of alternative income. But my income on disability is capped and if I go over it, they start deducting from my disability benefits because I have an actual income. So are they being subsidized by family? Friends? Debt? Feeders? What’s the situation here? Because they can’t be claiming benefits and still be claiming to live in poverty when they can eat way more than the rest of us can afford to.
Nr. 1: Go out of your way to make other people uncomfortable for them
Nr. 2: Never ever make them feel uncomfortable ever
… alrighty then
Talking incessantly about weight loss = mentioning it under any circumstances no matter what (including medical purposes), even just in passing to other people in other conversations they are not present for or intended to hear.
If they’re comfortable with themselves they shouldn’t care about people talking about weight loss, in the same way I don’t feel insecure if someone talks about going to the gym
Holy hell I never realized Torrid had ridiculous vanity sizing. It feels really wrong that they are helping obese people play mental gymnastics to convince themselves that they “aren’t that fat”.
It’s not on all their stuff - some of their jeans use regular sizing (12-28 or whatever they stop at) and their bras use the regular band/cup size standard.
Find an infinifat friend... no matter the size, I'd be offended to know some befriended me because of my body.
Yeah that's so fucking gross.
God, you can fill a bingo card with this. Thin privilege, racism, the entitlement. It’s all here.
This is a lot of words to say "me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me."
It's also beyond the pale how FAs attempt to hitch their wagon to racism to legitimize their persecution complex.
I swear all of this started as one big joke. Like on 4chan or whatever.
user of folx when folks is already gender neutral </3 should be aware of their own performativeness
Im small fat apparently according to this Im scared of what those people would look like...
I’m not even considered fat by this chart! I have a high body fat percentage and weigh roughly around the tippy top of a healthy BMI, but you have to be technically plus-size for this OOP to care, I guess. I was probably “small fat” at my absolute highest weight… mind you, at the time, I was considered obese and I sure felt it.
I am overweight/obese (idk which one means which in english..) and i am around size 46 in polish/european sizes Also yes i am trying to lose weight but its not very easy cuz of my mental and physical health but im still not giving up!! I lost from 100kg to 90kg once so i can do it again and even more!!
you can do it!! as for the english definitions, overweight is considered a bmi of 25 to 30, and obese is anything greater than 30. but in casual conversation people generally just say “overweight” as an umbrella term and “obese” is considered more medical, i’d say.
Ohh thanks for explaining! And thank you<33
You better check your skinny privilege!
pretty sure most overweight-by-BMI people don't count as fat to them at all
Same. I'm obese and I'm wearing a medium scrub top right now.
They're very much getting into uncanny valley, the proportions start messing with your brain.
Lost me at “folx”.
”Folks“ is inclusive, “folx” is performative, and I will die on that fucking hill.
thats not a typo? hows that performative, is it some weird new slang?
It’s sometimes used in very leftist/queer spaces, the X being used to indicate LGBT+ identity: https://www.dictionary.com/culture/gender-sexuality/folx
As someone who is a part of that umbrella, I despise the spelling.
yeah i still dont see the point in that even with the link as you said initially folks is already inclusive
“Darkest, fattest folx” wtf. wtf did I just read
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Jaebae used to try to lump people of color into her cause and talked like OOP.
she went to jail for throwing a tantrum in a hospital. The police body cam footage was pretty revealing.
I don't even understand Slide #4.
And remind me again of the violence that affects them? Are they victims of police brutality, or an unfair judicial system? Or are they being deported for no reason ? 🦗🦗
"Are those chocolate covered crickets? Why, yes please."
Hahahah! 🤣🤣 You are funny, I didn't even notice! 🧐
I ain’t paying you for being big 😭
Omg #4 saying center the most marginalized, aka fattest, person at your work. Can you imagine being a sane, normal fat person who has nothing to do with fat activism and some skinny weirdo at work keeps trying to "center" you?!?
Like there's a group discussion and skinny colleague is like "fat Martha/Matt, what do you think about the change proposal? As a marginalized fat person, I think it's important we hold space for your thoughts, too. Do you have anything to add to the proposal, my infinifat colleague?".
Insanity!
Talking about someone in a less than flattering way is not violence. That pisses me off more than anything else in these slides.
I was long under the impression that Old Navy had the most generous sizing, but turns out I’d be a size smaller in Torrid! So these folks are even larger than they’ve listed here. American shops are wild.
Anyhoo, more on topic, I’m disabled and do not have the time or energy to call up my local theatres and ask how wide the seats are, nor do I have the money to pay these activists. They can make up for it by cutting back on their food budgets.
How would it even work to make everything accessible? I’m all for accessibility in general, but let’s say (for example) a restaurant has seating that goes up to 500 pounds. Then if someone bigger than that comes in, suddenly not accessible. There is not a way to accommodate all possible sizes and shapes.
It reminds me of these annoying Disney influencers called “plussizedparkhoppers” who do all these videos like “have you wanted to eat at this mediocre Disney restaurant but aren’t sure you’d fit?” Like at what point do you not have a wake up call?
Nevermind that these supposed accessibility activists never seem to care one iota about little people/ those with dwarfism. Or people 6 1/2+ feet tall...
No offense to “infinifat” people but I’m not showing up for them. There are none in my life and I don’t plan on “making space” for them. There is nothing in my life that has room for someone that big, literally or figuratively. I cannot accommodate someone like that. It sucks but that’s the reality. And regular people do not have to accommodate you. When we talk about accommodations being a right, they’re a legal right. The rest of the world isn’t obligated.
Also, I say this as a disabled person. I know full well the average Joe on the street has no obligation to accommodate me if he doesn’t want to and while I may find it inconvenient or rude, I do have to live with it and go on with my day.
It's not our job to be your emotional babysitter.
It's also not our job to shield you from the inconvenient consequences of choices you made of your own volition.
We will not be bankrupting ourselves to buy reinforced furniture on the off-chance that you visit.
We will not be doing labour and time intensive recon worthy of a military operation, just to grab lunch with you.
We will most certainly not 'pay you to educate us'. Are you mental? The only person who should be subjected to your word salady, narcissistic monologues about how the world owes you is a mental health professional.
Get a grip.
Being triple your body weight has consequences that you can't lie and bully your way out of.
You might not like that, I don't like how expensive housing is or how pre employment drug tests detect weed for a whole month after you stop, or how brutal 7-OH withdrawals are. Life isn't fair deal with it.
Infinifat to me means that they have collapsed into a black hole due to their mass
"Speaking of black, did you know you are racist towards black people (specifically, and solely) if you acknowledge obesity is a life-threatening health condition?"
Nope. I'm going to continue to bitch about the fact that the pain doctor has bariatric chairs but not padded chairs in the exam rooms and it's painful to sit
There isn’t- and shouldn’t be- a fatness spectrum.🙄
Also, I’m sorry, but isn’t “infinifat” like more offensive than SMO?! I can’t deal with the mental gymnastics of these people.
"Ask hard, uncomfortable questions" but then when we ask the hard questions about how their weight impacts their health and their day-to-day lives suddenly we're the problem
Lord have mercy.
Holy mother of God the entitlement is so out there I don’t think we’ve charted it yet
I'm gonna intentionally go to places inaccessible to inifinifats now. /dramatic, for those who miss the joke
Call me whatever you like, but I think if I was too big to sit on a public restroom without breaking it, that should be a wake up call to lose weight. Imagine what that weight is doing to their knees and organs. Yes, people become so big that they break toilets.
I seen BIPOC call the FA activists out for how they include racism in their discussions. Many of them are white women who imply that BIPOC people are supposed to be fat, so how dare you dislike fatness. This inturn promotes the idea that diet and exercise is a white people thing, which isn't great, everyone needs to exercise.
How do these white FA's tend to react when called out by BIPOC?
It’s not anyone else’s responsibility to clear the way for you. If your butt can’t fit through the door, that’s your problem. JFC, these people are exhausting.
If you cant convert your measurements to a non brandname metric you are a corpo spy,
You could improve strength, stamina, and range of motion by…guess what? Shrinking your body!
I’m starting to really hate it when people say “how to show up for ___.” People like this are abusing it
You want to show up? Show up for yourself and go for a walk. No one’s gonna do it for you.
As someone who works pretty hard at the gym, I feel they are privileged to be able to eat whatever and as much as they want without the burden of counting calories or macros.
Okay, first, grow up beyond age 23 or so. Next, get real job, a real education, maybe get laid? Start a family? Us actual adults in our 30s and beyond have zero fucks to give about your self-created pretend problems. We're out here living or lives and making it work in all different types of bodies without constantly bitching and demanding accommodations and ass-pats for literally no fucking reason. Christ, the entitlement.
If you need to be informed about mobility and space in every place you need to go, that means you have a huge problem.
I mean, chronically ill people, blind or wheelchair bounded people would need to do that.
I do live in a country where is well known for people being tall. 1 or 2 XL is already an insanely big size, and those are the "small fat"?
Being empathetic is a world of difference than coddling
the entitlement is crazy they want to be oppressed so bad.
sighhhhhh
"Shrinking your body.."
Let's get this straight and make it clear. When you lose weight, you're not "shrinking your body."
The word "shrinking" carries a lot of weight here (ope!), implying concepts like diminishing, fading, weakening, and becoming lesser. Which is exactly why FA's always use it.
When you lose weight, you are not "shrinking your body." You are simply reducing the amount of fat deposits on and within it. That's all.
You as a whole may also reduce the circumference of your waistline or the number on your clothing labels, but you are not fading away. No essential element of your psyche or of your innate being is being stripped from you. They need to stop it with the manipulative "shrinking" language, trying to evoke pity as if they're a sad, doomed, wilting flower.
Pay you? For giving me unsolicited evil thins insults? People these days think their ignorant opinions are worth a lot dam.
Also I love how the "all those are goals I also have", like, I wouldn't know if you hadn't told me going by their actions, it seems more like they're all but chopping up their limbs themselves to get rid of all possible autonomy and mobility.
Thank you, OOP, I'll make certain I do none of these things ever. And, if you're that morbidly obese, you are not going to achieve any of those goals you claim you have-"improve stamina, strength, range of motion, etc" without losing weight/"shrinking". In fact, those things will continue to decline unless you do. Too bad for you if you deny that; you'll find out just how true it is the hard way.
#6- take their bank/credit cards (leave them with ONLY the SNAP EBT card I'm sure they have, so they'll have to start budgeting roughly $270/month max for food), and send their caretaker on vacation.
That way the pounds will start to EVAPORATE. And once they're able to get out of bed they will squeeze into their 1996 minivan to go to Walmart (it's ALWAYS Walmart...) and will put $800 worth of garbage into their overloaded cart, and once they realize they can't pay for it all they will make a run/waddle for it, and wind up in jail, where they will lose weight even faster.
THIS is how to TRULY show support for 'Infinifats' IMO. 😁
They always leave out the sheer amount of money and resources it takes to get fat and stay fat.
Let’s say I wanted to be a supportive friend to an infinifat person. How would you even meet them? It’s not like they ever leave the house.
Someone who is "infinifat" is in a serious health crisis and needs immediate medical intervention.
lol yes I am immensely privileged to be in a smaller body I don’t disagree but there is some degree of participation required on the individual required to get to be an infinifat size. These are just the comforting lies the severely obese tell themselves while they’re young enough not to worry about dying in their sleep from apnoea.
These people are so gross and cringey
Hmmm I can't help but notice #5 features what looks like a not-fat hand holding up that heart right there. "Do better", you self-martyring hypocrite.
Edit: hahaha the activist fist rendering for #3 is decidedly not a fat (or even chubby) hand either. 😂
"Pay us for educating you!"
Aha! No.
Um sure. I would love to pay one of you infinifats to educate me. Sure. Here is some Monopoly money. Go!
"If you talk about losing weight, what must you think of my body?"
Oh, don't worry I can answer that! I think you're fat and should lose weight.
Guess what happens when I eat four apples and three bananas
I’m full.
Guess what happens when I eat a Big Mac.
Also full
The difference
Heart disease
hose are the real questions that need answering like who even asks the other stuff
What's an infinifat person
Don’t people understand that when I talk about my own weight, i am completely uninterested in them?
Why would I need to promote people outside myself? If I’m posting pictures of myself, why the hell would I be even inclined to post photos of others?
I wish yall posted REAL #fatlogic posts. “I believe donuts have zero calories,” or something like that.
To constantly make fun of larger people. What do you get out of that exactly? Does it make you feel better about yourself?
Talking about the barriers described here as being the result of "thin privilege" instead of being the consequences of chronic overeating is peak fatlogic.