In other news, in announcing today the breakup of a Chinese ring smuggling these very chips, U.S. Attorney Nicholas Ganjei said:
These chips are the building blocks of AI superiority and are integral to modern military applications. The country that controls these chips will control AI technology; the country that controls AI technology will control the future.
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For Nvidia, this is gold. Opening China’s huge AI market again could mean major profits. But for the rest of us, I wonder how much this will shake up global AI competition
I'm thinking the tyrant has some angle on this. Jensen Huang must have made some deal with him for kickbacks, or some ceremonial job after office that will give him stock options, or something else like that.
He donated $ for the travesty ballroom
Yeah totally a possibility
He will probably receive the very first 'NVIDIA Peace prize'
There's two simple angles. One is that you gotta keep the line moving up for nvidia. The other is that you ban the chinese a few more years, they'll have developed their domestic card. This export ban is self-defeating, because having a cheap alternative is what makes growing a domestic industry so hard, because you'll have to absorb several years a huge loss before you're competitive. If you create a need, not only the chinese governement steps in, but even organic demand will make the R&D and capital investments viable.
Government gets 25% of the profits. How’s that for a kickback lol
Tyrant has to get some personallly
More like, Trump or GOP get 25%. If the money actually went to the government so they could spend it on things like sidewalks, trains, education, food for children and healthcare that would be great.
But we all know they won't.
Or he just needs the Chinese troll farms spreading misinformation in his favour again since he's about as popular as a cactus enema
Trump wrote on Truth Social that the U.S. government would take a 25% cut of sales of the approved chips, up from a previously announced 15%.
He will give him another "peace" prize and sorted.
You can bet the people who he wanted to have owe him favors knew this and had enough time to buy NVIDIA stock before it was announced. He’s a con man running his cons. He just managed to con so many people they made him untouchable as POTUS. I’m embarrassed constantly by my fellow Americans.
Taco 🌮
He owns up to around a million dollars in NVIDIA stock
“Trump wrote on Truth Social that the U.S. government would take a 25% cut of sales of the approved chips, up from a previously announced 15%.”
So, basically an export tax — for giving China access to strategic, advanced AI chips (according to the original administration narrative)….
Well first, that's still trading national security for money. Also, we can be sure that bastard is getting his beak wet somehow.
We are barely ahead in the first place. There is a misconception that US is years ahead when it's barely months lol. Some Chinese AIs rival our top models in key areas like logic, math and coding. And China is flat out ahead in application in consumer products and manufacturing.
In terms of AI models like Deepseek, China is either close or right at the cutting edge, sure.
But hardware-wise, they're still quite far off. Huawei is impressive but performance-wise, not quite there yet.
Building the Chinese Empire. China will grow larger.
China has been generous. We have big plans.
Yeah but their lack of hardware made them develop more efficient and less ressource intensive AI so... I mean, that's probably why Deepseek even exists. US companies are not working smarter just throwing more money around. It may have been a blessing in disguise.
They a few years, maybe a decade or so off on the highest quality chips and GPUs, but in terms of AI architecture they are neck and neck. Their application is just better too.
which is why this move by Trump is such a bad idea.
Sure the Tech Bro AI companies are bad, and their implementations of AI are questionable... but their intent is profit driven instead of malicious. The CCP's intent is to use this technology (like all of their implementations) is for control, first regional and then global.
The hardware “war” is over. China is decades behind where Nvidia and Google are at, and it’s exponentially growing. I mean… Google may surpass Nvidia with it’s quantum chips in the next 5- 10 years.
Yeah, they are a couple decades behind, but in terms of AI architecture and application, they are right there or ahead in some points. Chip manufacturing is probably the most complex machinery ever created by humanity, so it makes sense that it's hard for them to catch up something that required massive global cooperation.
This means the fight for ddr5 ram thats right now at a fever pitch will be absolutely insane. All for a product that is generally unwanted. For the common man it's just Google search talking to you like it's an ultra friendly black dude who just sorted up a 6 inch line of cocaine.
Don’t think of it like that. Think of it as supporting the inevitable AI surveillance program the next big whistleblower will undoubtedly report on years after the fact.
Last sentence is fucking weird
It’s like, my opinion man.
AI is a very powerful tool that has changed the way I do my job. Its also very likely to dictate my future trajectory. Dismissing it as a talking Google search is the equivalent to dismissing the internet as a jukebox in 1990s.
It’s everywhere now. I work in the printing industry and we’ve incorporated AI into our RIP software to help print shops do all kinds of things cheaper, faster, and more repeatable.
Nothing too crazy. Just a built in tool for image generation/editor, image upscaling (if your client sent a low res file for the job), and an AI assistant that can answer really specific printing questions to save you a ton of time and money.
I’m not super thrilled, as it will lessen the demand for graphic artists, but that train left the station a long time ago.
That said, it will genuinely help a lot of “mom and pop” print shops in expanding their capabilities and “wowing” their clients in a way they may not have been able to afford before.
I grew up in the early 2000’s (wasn’t really old enough to understand the gravity of the early-ish internet) so it’s interesting being old enough to see an emerging, revolutionary technology that can do so much good, but will also very likely cause a lot of pain in the near term.
This is a net loss for the U.S. we just gave up years of innovation because Trump woke up in a mood. I don’t think anyone understands the degree of soft power we have forfeited over the last year. Tax payers sacrificed medical care and retirement to make sure we had that soft power and now we’ve given it up for nothing and even worse than that to stroke the ego of a bankrupt game show host. I just hope history remembers Trump for what he is. A conman through and through.
the entire ban is kinda funny because the gpus have pretty much always been made in China in the first place
Not really read the latest china response
Nobody who has looked at the New National Security Strategy would be surprised.
America has declared its intention to be the China of the west. America is now laid bare and the values are on full display.
Going for democracy with Chinese characteristics
After 20 years, Guns N Roses really could’ve given us a better album.
What?
Chinese people own their homes.
For anyone that has not caught up china already has blocked companies from buying it and has enforced strick rules and justification on why a company will need nvdia chips instead of thier own hauwei chips
The companies will get around and there will be a million loopholes. In fact Huawei themselves will be buying them up to reverse engineer them.
This Buffoon just tossed the us to the back of the line while shitting on our allies Any enemy of the US couldn't be happier wtf this country has peaked and the boomers have ushered in an era of hate and hurt...things have just begun to deteriorate
This is exactly the theme of CCP state propaganda (U.S. in decline, minis blaming boomers) has followed over the last decade or so.
Just so u all know. He traded advanced army aircraft’s with Saudi Arabia which will probably be used by them to sell trade secrets to china. The type of secrets China has been sending in scores of spies to get a hold of. And now they get it for free And he now wants to sell them advanced chips. Ever since Bush, America has been clawing at those who were getting close to overtaking it. And now it’s essentially giving the reigns over. You’re going from a global superpower to a regional one and it’s happening fast. It’s only been a year and look at how ur allies have formed partnerships with even your enemies coz they’re afraid of America backstabbing them
Trump was the dumbest decision America could’ve ever made. This first year was his most tame one. Im scared to see what else he’s going to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts a war with South America nex… oh wait. Ah shit🤣🤣🤣
Follow the money
If the USA had all the cards, would they arm their opponent? Hollow giant without a brain, or heart. Just an empty military without purpose other than grifting for the oligarchs.
I hope China won't risk buying hardware with kill switches. They are developing their own AI hardware and soon won't need murica for anything.
Im largely ignorant to this kind of tech, can someone more educated than me on this explain why this is a facepalm? China previously rejected to buy the last Nvidia chips approved by this administration.
From what I know, the Nvidia chips are better so why would we not want to sell those chips in one of the hottest tech markets in the world and attempt to compete with China’s chips?
Is the worry that they will “steal” the tech? Why wouldn’t that be possible already?
China does not have the manufacturing capacity to produce chips like the Nvidia H200, so they have to source them from elsewhere to remain competitive in commercial, and crucially military, applications of AI. The facepalm is that this is basically selling your adversary an advanced weapons system they can use against you.
Thanks! That makes sense. Given a lot of China’s recent fighter jets have been pretty blatant ripoffs of American tech, it would not surprise me they would do the same here.
I guess time will tell if and how many chips China will actually approve for import, since they largely rejected the last batch of Nvidia chips.
Idk, all jets are pretty much the same shape regardless of country. The J-20 is actually pretty different from our gen-5 jets and is more so based off russian/soviet tech than ours.
For chips it's not the shape it's the advanced manufacturing tech.
Well, just goes to show how much I know. I think I’ll stick to my coin hobby lol.
It's only a matter of time before China reverse engineers the chips anyway. Nvidia might as well make money from a market before they're no longer relevant there. The gains China makes from this will exceed the cash infusion for R&D with Nvidia or power plant purchasing potential though
Edited for retrospect. I believe this deal was pushed through due to China demanding advanced chip access for the China-US trade agreement for US Soy Beans this year.
Agree to some extent, but it's not just a matter of understanding what to do, but how to do it. There is catch up time involved. At base it's a tech advantage and the tyrant is trading it for money.
I whole heartedly agree with you and as an American I'm against it.
China has reformed its education and manufacturing to tech these past 20 years which we've stagnated at the turn of the century. It's one company against a whole country that is even upgrading their electrical grid due to foresight. Three-Gorge Dam is a World Wonder but their new project in Tibet puts it to shame. Meanwhile the only thing America has done on a mega scale is partially building a non-functional wall.
No, it’s not, because it’s not the chips themselves that are important at all, it’s the machines that make them. Those machines are the most sophisticated pieces of industrial equipment ever made. China can catch up, eventually, but they cannot take these chips (that the already have plenty of) and reverse engineer them and be caught up.
That's been China's M.O. for three decades in the tech sector. It's only a matter of time before they do it. Giving them access to current commercial AI hardware only hastens it.
It's been China's M.O. on everything for decades. People lie to shit on Chinese quality. The fact of the matter is that they are more than capable of manufacturing quality products.
Delta/Rockwell proved this. They took all of their woodworking tools to China for manufacturing. But when they did, they specified the quality. The only problem they ran into was casting for tablesaw tops. D/R brought that part back to the states. Within a year's time, China overcame the problem it was having, and it returned to China.
I own 2 D/R tablesaws, one older one made in the States, and one newer one made in China. The quality of the Chineses built one is probably 90% of the American made one.
This right here. EUV lithography is the ballgame at the moment. If China can figure out how to do it inside their own borders, then it’s probably game over at that point.
Of course, if China could simply take over the small island sitting right off their coast that houses almost all of the world’s EUVL machines and the people with all of the experience running them, then well…
I've wondered what three things will happen first. America is the first in developing ASI. China invades Taiwan. The Cascadia Subduction Zone has a full rupture that triggers California's major faults. Mass destruction on our west coast and the mega tsunami that'll hit Japan and Taiwan.
Which Chinese company is expected to take over?
This article is a broad overview of the top ten Chinese chip manufacturers that was written in 2023. Towards the end it even covers some of their corruption and what major setbacks that has caused those companies to falter in advance chip designs--main culprit is US export restrictions.
https://thechinaproject.com/2023/02/03/chinas-top-10-semiconductor-firms/
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Yes, because the tech that made and is in the chips is subject to export control, which the US gov can restrict.
I don't get the facepalm.
First 25% of the sales goes to the Treasury.
Second it's only H100 which falls behind the latest Blackwell by a big margin.
Third the market needs a new exciting story ro continue the hype. Just look at the number of reports on "AI bubbles about to burst" recently and more importantly number of shorts. We have it now.
I believe the facepalm comes from a long standing policy of restricting US exports in advanced tech. In order for China to resume purchasing US Soy Beans one of their stipulations was the US easing their restrictions on advanced chip exports. All so the Midwest doest flip on next year's mid-term election.
Thank you good sir/madam.
You're quite welcome kind soul. This isn't a definitive answer and comes from a babbling fool that realizes he's never the smartest person in the room. Maybe the OP can clarify
I mean, even with the best chips our ai guys still can’t stop the Em dashes. So why not? If they don’t got em dashes on by default then we will know theirs is better take notes.
We have an advantage. Why give it away?