The worst part is that I kept trying to post this on the aliexpress sub but reddit kept deleting it..
Edit: regarding if its fake or not, from the photos and the video it looks pretty much real. You really cant achieve this level of realness from a plastic toy FOR THIS CHEAP. Also the description says "specimen". Now if someone actually receives the pictured product or a fake plastic toy that's a diferent thing.
If you've been outside and seen a real turtle, you'd know the pictures are real.
Edit: And it is still up! And they took out the "questions" section that was filled with people asking if its real or not
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There’s outdoor markets where they sell these little turtles in keychains. They’re still alive. The keychains can’t be opened. It’s horrific.
Animal rights over there are absolutely non-existent
Just as a point of information, those live creature key chains are meant to be cut open so the creature can be released to the wild so the person releasing it can get good karma or whatever the word for it is in that area. Its still incredibly cruel and many of the animals end up deformed or just die right after release.
It's so complicated. Like, if you buy a keychain to release an animal, it's a good deed, but at the same time you're promoting such an awful business
This is why even Doug Fourcett can't get into The Good Place.
I hope this is true.
I wish for NOTHING of this post to be true.
I know. Its honestly so sad, even if they are small animals or insects.
But I would never expect it to be allowed on a "commerical" store, even after people's reports on the page.
I know people will say "well then probably become vegan, you kill animals too" but its different. I am not buying LIVE animals in bags just so they will be thrown into trash later. I am not eating non farm animals that werent bred for generations to be consumed. And i am not getting my meats from mass producing farms.
https://i.redd.it/j0l6wbvy666g1.gif
"I am not eating non farm animals that werent bred for generations to be consumed"
Both are super fucked up but "It's worse to kill wild animals because they weren't created for the sole purpose of dying" is certainly a take.
Also, from a business perspective, breeding is always more profittable on the long run so I think these kind of businesses breed the turtles. Which doesn't make it better because breeding a specie solely for killing it does not make anything better ever.
EDIT: Seriously, what's the point of this kind of posts ? Each time it's the same, someone sees something cruel towards animals from a non-western country, everyone circlejerk about how we're so much better from these barbars, and as soon as normalized animal cruelty from the westerns countries is brought up by someone, they get downvoted and called preachy... If you want to talk about animal cruelty, accept that the one that also benefits you could be talked about.
I'm sure that people who buys these kind of key chains find as much enjoyment in having them as you do in getting canada goose jackets and/or eating hot dogs.
I don’t think that eating animals is wrong. We are a natural predator in the ecosystem. Without predators, prey eat too much greenery and reduces biodiversity of plants, then causes extinction events because there’s no more plants
I am against over hunting, over fishing, and not protecting a natural ecosystem. There is no better example of the importance of predators in the ecosystem than what happened to Yellowstone after they reintroduced wolves.
They re-introduced wolves to Colorado and the ecosystem is just flourishing!! It's been, what, 5 years? That's not a long time but the results were basically instant.
Places that are lacking natural predators, game animals are way over-populated. They actually encourage hunters to come in and help control the population. These hunters are important to the ecosystem.
Over fishing is a big problem though. Unless you're fishing invasive fish. Because invasive fish are also a huge problem.
Predators are important and as we are the top of the food chain it’s arguably imperative we eat meat lol
Why do you think the normal ecology of these places get messed up.
Hint it rhymes with poomans
Yes the natural prey of this world the cow and chicken messing shit up.
The brain is big on this one.
Right, that’s actually our fault we have to keep eating them to keep their population levels in check. If we don’t slaughter them they would over populate. For chickens that’s not such a big deal, natural predators, foxes, wolves, birds of prey ect all will kill them. However if people stopped eating beef completely the amount of methane that would be produced is a huge huge problem.
You don’t have to eat meat but don’t make it seem like it’s the beneficial option for the world we have created
These animals exist because we breed them. Stop breeding them and their populations would tank just from that.
You think the chicken that has breast tissue so large it breaks its own legs are going to take over the world? Gigantic roaming herds of selectively bred cattle reproducing uncontrollably? Sheep that have been bred to produce such ridiculous amounts of wool they turn into a ball. Lol
You do know that when you release animals into the world they reproduce right? Do we need to have a conversation on how chicks are made?
Also it’s pretty clear you’ve never been around livestock a day in your life.
https://youtu.be/VAOgGteCsYI?si=hAcE-GgCt_kzP-1I
YouTube isn’t a source. Come back with a peer reviewed study to prove your point
But what I think you’re trying to say is that they can’t reproduce because using artificial insemination is more cost effective than the natural route you think they can’t reproduce? Is that your belief? Now I know for sure you have never been around livestock
Oh, get off your soapbox and go eat a steak.
Feel bad because someone is living a more moral life than you? Tighten up Bubba that steak won’t save you from the underlying guilt you’re feeling if a couple words on the screen trigger you lol
Lol I live with my vegetarian partner, and you couldn't be further off. She's just not insufferable. I respect whatever lifestyle people want to pursue, but at some point you're just being a nuisance.
of course they’re vegeterian 😭 they’re literally making no difference, boy if only you knew.
This is why most people cannot stand vegans.
You do realize lessening any meat consumption is a good thing, yes? Or is it all or nothing for you?
Im currently defrosting a porterhouse steak, im quite excited because i bought some new salt rub to try on it
Right now I have a big batch of venison stew on the oven. It was killed by my brother in an area that is very overpopulated with deer. This overpopulation hurts farmers, it hurts the ecosystem, and ruins the terrain due to over-grazing.
I cannot wait for my morally and ethnically hunted venison. Guilt free, environmentally friendly delicious venison. Mmmmm... Eating meat for the good of the environment sure does taste good!
fuck i could go for some venison, but i dont hunt much recently as some individuals more focused on the hunting than the food (assholes) went out and ruined the grounds for everyone. havent had it in stew before, but our butcher set me up with some chorizo sausages from a beast last year. yummest sausies i ever had
No one cares about your little activism. Go cry more on the vegan sub about how tiring it is nobody is buying your unwanted outreach nonsense.
I for one am in complete agreement with you. Which is why I don't eat animals, lol.
from my point of view we do need to eat meat, just not all meat. Ive tried becoming vegetarian and without making it a whole lifestyle which also is very expensive, it is impossible to not consume meat.
We've bred specific animals for generations and I know this is gonna sound bad, but we've "maximized" their meat produce. So in a way we dont need to kill as many animals to eat.
So yes we can draw a line. We can just eat those specific animals. We dont need to consume everything that walks..
It is a take because most people just see black or white.
I wish animal conditions were better for farm animals though. And I wish people wouldnt consume meat so regularly.
Oh also for the turtle, even if it comes from a farm, theres really no need to kill it. Its for decoration purposes not eating it. Even if we ate it, it doesnt provide as much nutrition as a farm animal.
What do you mean by "we don't need to consume everything that walks." What specific animals are you talking about? Because not everyone has access to farm animals or a grocer. Humans are omnivores and in some regions you have to be resourceful. I'm not saying people should be eating dogs or endangered animals, but simply getting protein isn't always as simple as going to the market and picking up a pound of cow.
The “expensive” take is so so so silly when lentils and beans are a fraction of the price of meat when you’re talking protein per calorie
im from a Mediterranean country so i know very well how cheap beans and lentils are and how good they taste.
But im not talking about the food here. As i said i tried becoming vegetarian but im no nutrisionist so i had a very hard time finding food that had the same vitamins as meat in the same capacity. Sadly lentils and beans arent the solution. So eventually i was severally missing iron, vitamin B and others.
I know various vegans that have been vegans for a long time and they all take supplements. And go to nutritionists. I dont have the time nor money for all of that..
Maybe in the future we can produce parts of meat without a brain. Lets hope for that
Im so confused on what kind of research you did that led you to believe that beans weren’t meeting your iron needs… but hey to each their own
For the record I’ve been vegan since 2014 and have pristine bloodwork and don’t take a single supplement, but I eat a super diverse plant rich diet.
what is confusing here? The foods you listed provide almost no b12 vitamins. Iron sure they have but not as easily digestable. Fortified foods are rare and expensive where I live so no no.
Mushrooms are nice but dont last long and are expensive.
Good for you for having a nice balanced diet. But eating solely beans and lentils just doesnt work. The super diverse plant rich diet isnt available everywhere.
If you can find me a diet that costs less than 50 euros monthly id gladly take that.
I could for sure, but you’re not open to it. Eat what you want, truly, and enjoy!
no i am go on.
Ive already tried and failed maybe you can change that
I used to eat lentils, various kinds of beans, chickpeas, mushrooms, rice, potatoes. Lots of vegetables and fruits.
My cholesterol levels dropped significantly but iron and b12 were veryyyyyyy low
It’s not impossible, it’s just slightly more time and money consuming, it’s not as yummy and it’s kinda annoying. It takes more prepping for meals and you need lots of protein etc. but your take still doesn’t make sense on a logical or moral level. I know this may sound completely unrelated but are you pro life or pro choice?
"It’s not impossible, it’s just slightly more time and money consuming, it’s not as yummy and it’s kinda annoying"
This is literally what im saying. But for normal everyday people that cant even pay rent, it is very hard. Getting vitamin pills, setting up a diet and maintaining that all without doing it as a hobby requires extreme focus.
"but your take still doesn’t make sense on a logical or moral level."
I literally explained why it makes sense. We have adapted farm animals into our feeding habits. We have specifically created species for consumption. Just like with vegetables like corn. They are more fatty, more nutritious, more everything. Sure the places they live in arent ideal but thats not the point im trying to make.
" I know this may sound completely unrelated but are you pro life or pro choice?"
Well it is completely unrelated maybe not to you as you want to group me with a specific group of people, as if it will have an effect here
I dont care what people do, its their body and choices. There are worse things that happen to everyday people than ones that havent been born yet. And this pro life pro choice bs is just another distraction the USA government has created because apparently people still care abt it
You have several well-worded comments here. Well done.
Thank you. This is either a gift or a curse from being temrinally online.
Yes.
eesh gross ass take this is why the world is dying, stop pretending to care about animal suffering
So you don't buy Pizza, dont go to restaurants? Don't eat hot dogs?
rarely
I dont buy fast food or go to restaurants unless on special occasions
I buy those keychains only on special occasions
oh yea because eating the same food that i was gonna eat at home is the same as killing an animal for decoration💀 such logic.
Seriously you people are so intolerable. Even though you are morally more correct, no wonder no one wants to become vegan.
All you do is just make fun of others. Just barking all over the place.
Peak mental gymnastics. Congrats.
I wish I could award you
❤️
Over where?
You know where.
Where?!?
This turtle isn't alive. The picture OP posted is from a site called Boss Crystal store found on Ali express. It's dead and set in resin. Whether it's ethical depends on how the maker sources the specimen. If turtle died of natural causes it's fine.
Well, that’s an awfully generalizing statement…
And circlejerk-y. Like yeah, sure, western countries don't sell weird ass key chain, but we steal breed dogs who can't breath properly and give gold fishes in bags at the fair. And farm animals certainly live shitty lives.
It's always easier to call the error of your neighbors than to look at your owns.
How is the turtle still alive?!? There's no air in this cramped space???
The optimistic part of my brain says maybe this person found an already dead turtle but I know that's almost definitely not true
all 459 that were sold? that’s QUITE optimistic lol
well its a very young map turtle and theres no visible decomposition so idk 💀
If it was a specimen which died naturally and it was preserved into a beautiful piece? Then it’s not entirely horrible
But if it was ALIVE and killed for this kinda craft absolutely not. Truthfully it’s not difficult to replicate animals in craft if you’re extremely skilled, I’ve been bamboozled by art pieces of animals before that I thought were real 😭
Either way just report it to be safe and cautious & raise awareness
It's on aliexpress. The Chinese don't give a fuck. Who do you want to report it to? Batman?
ill let him know
Well still it’s better to try than to sit back and do nothing imo
People* It’s not Chinese exclusive lol
Well in most western countries the authorities would have a stern word to talk to you if you try to sell something like that and "the people" would freak out, as we can see in this post.
In a big part of Asia they don't give a fuck.
I don’t wanna mix topics, but instead of animals it’s black vs white people, citizens vs immigrants etc etc
People always treat other living being like shit
I think we have a different definition of "beautiful piece".
This looks like a hastily thrown together piece of trash, because it most likely is.
Well I’m not talking about THAT one lmao. I’m talking in general art pieces that uses deceased specimens
This is a species of map turtleI think, very very young one. Most common pet that people buy, put in a small plastic pool and then it dies. I doubt it died of old age and i doubt it died naturtally. Theres no signs of decomposition, it looks very dry though.
Yeah I never vibe with people who inhumanly kill animals to make crafts out of them, only those who wish to immortalise the ones who died naturally 💔
If this is a real turtle and not a replica of it- then gods I hope it didn’t suffer the poor thing
Flag it as animal abuse.
You are shopping on a Chinese website. They are constantly posting pictures and videos which look real/good, but then ship you something different. You'd probably end up with a picture or stuffed animal keychain.
I hope they ship a fake product
It gets even worse. When I lived in China they were selling poor baby turtles inside tiny plastic keychain bags.
Like literally what the actual fcuk??!
They do that in New York, just without the bags. More like 5-cent fish tanks that wouldn't fit a mouthful. What they do is they bring out a box of these little baby turtles in freezing weather and sell them for the entire day while they crawl around. When I saw that, I thought, "Where do they even get them? It's so wrong!"
Then, a few days later I went to Central Park and found someone digging through the muck in one of the ponds/lakes and picking up turtles.
Should I have pushed him in?
I'm worried that my answer would go against the rules... ughhhhhh...
I love going to Asia for tourism but I have to say, their attitude towards animals is disgusting. And yes of course there are exceptions.
Ironic to say this when European settlers in North America hunted almost all the native big wildlife to extinction.
Being a savage 300 years ago was acceptable. Being a savage in the 21st century isn't.
And yet, brutally butchering millions of animals of particular species for food, breeding them in horrendous living conditions, isn't savagery.
Really? Much of Asia is veg.
In fact, most places with tigers are veg. Something about living where animals eat people….
I haven't been to a place where they don't eat meat. "Much of Asia is veg" is probably an overestimation.
But I wasn't speaking about this, more like the way they treat animals in general - I've seen ridiculous elephant abuse, species kept as pets that you're not supposed to keep as pets, etc. Also there are a bunch of documentaries on fur farms, these you don't want to watch, I assure you.
I saw this all the time in China, all the way back since 2001. Very sad and a bit surprised folks are still buying these.
I just got really concerned because I searched up a picture of a similar turtle and the overlay is really close
How do people just not care about animals like that? I get raising chickens and cows and whatnot because people need to eat, but you cant stick something like a turtle in a jar and sell it for cheap. It's not right.
The turtle is a resin replica. They are all over Temu. Very life like.
Meanwhile, live goldfish are given away at carnivals only to die a few hours later. Live Bettas are sold for "decor" in bowls not much bigger than large thimbles, devoid of rocks, greenery, or even anything to hide under.
i register my "fury" when it matters.
well if they are all over, give me a link?
Bruh, im not saying this is not the case and i wouldve very well posted that if I saw something like this, but this aliexpress post kept showing up on my feed and i couldnt post it anywhere. Now care to leave a report just in case?
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3 pc. reslistic turtle statues
yes, resin turtles look like real turtles and are sold everywhere at the chinese sites and smaller ones are placed into glass paperweights. so are spiders, etc.
they are not real. the ad is a comeon.
ok searched them on temu. The top results are ai generated and the following photos look nothing sort of realistic.
If the aliexpress seller is a scammer and they ship fake plastic turtles then ok good, but the one in the pohots and videos still got harmed.
But judging from the price id say its a real turtle getting shipped.
You know its probably fake right?
well i wish but in the photos and the video it looks totally real. Now if they ship the real thing or not its a different thing
Yeah ok, its hard to tell with one top-down photo, lots of fakes are quite good tho so lets hope it is fake ig
report it on aliexpress, just in case... better safe than sorry
not really, ive seen lots of cheap fake ones and honestly regarding the culture I would safely say this is real, as I said theres also a video i attached the link in the comments. You just cant achieve such realistic looking specimens from plastic toys. Just look how the corpse is placed, its not uniform and the texture and look feels 1000% real
But yea report just to be safe. I didnt know where to post this as it kept getting deleted.
Look at this tho: https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/807239589/baby-turtle-figurine-3cm?ref=elp_anchor_listing&sts=1
You can still make very lifelike fakes, I used to own a turtle as a baby and I agree that the pic looks real but like so does this one which is plastic
The one you posted costs 66 euros. The one on aliexpress costs like 25. And mind you the etsy one still looks fake.
The problem is that in a chinese market, it would be easier to just throw a turtle into resin and sell it than find a realistic looking one. And again it only costs 25 euros
lets wait and see if it gets deleted from aliexpress
Fair ig
It's probably a very convincing model rather than a real animal, but I honestly don't see a problem with making decorative pieces out of animals. Like deer heads on a wall and other taxidermy, or furniture out of bone or turtle shell. It's probably a matter of personal opinion, I wouldn't mind decorations out of human bones either. Now, I would've had a problem if it was the result of a processing including unnecessary cruelty and torturing of an animal, like if the little guy over there was drowned in hot epoxy alive. If it was ethically killed beforehand and then it's body processed, it's alright in my book.
But the other thing that can be considered problematic is where the turtle came from. The company(ies) mass-produces them, right? If they take them from the coastline I would like to know that it's from a place where there are so many of them it's no problem. But if they are hunting them to extinction that's another story, taking them away should be illegal. Maybe it would be more convenient to just have a little farm of them, and then it again just comes down to ethical processing, not involving torture. If they are buying them in bulk from vendors that sell them as pets, that's a whole other ethical problem, also I'm not sure how it would be achievable to convince them to sell the turtles in this case.
I remember when some time ago an asian (I think?) trend for trinkets with still alive fish and sea stars trapped in them came up, it's truly disgusting. So I totally understand how seeing this could raise this associations and trigger your infuriation.
what would you count as ethically killed?
Me personally? Quick and painless I guess. Like with a right cut or needle maybe in the case of small animals? I'm thinking about lobsters being cut the right way for an instant death instead of boiled alive. If it can't be done for turtles for some physiological reason then sorry, I'm not a biology expert, I'm just sharing my general thoughts that the post has awakened.
Or cattle gun, from my sparse knowledge about how it works it is a perfect example - instant and painless, I personally agree with it being humane. And generally, just putting them to sleep and having just some little, minimal respect for them should be a start. Feed turtle a pill.
The animal raised in captivity by humans shouldn't be tortured neither during its life nor when being killed. It enables humans to acquire a taste for cruelty and makes them accustomed to violence. Cruelty isn't something that modern society tolerates. You're being allowed to torture an animal, next you would want to torture a human. That's how I explain myself why restrictions are there. I mean, obviously a lot of people can just empathize with all the animals, but I think this is a logical chain of thought that anyone including people with low empathy can follow to understand why human society doesn't allow you to torture a little turtle. Sorry not sorry for everyone who feels a need to be a safety concern for other people. I never read deeply in philosophy of this so I'm again, not an expert in the topic and just sharing the thoughts that come to my mind at the moment.
I was raised with the idea of humane slaughter of animals being a thing, and that we as a society should try to always go for it instead of those low costly methods making animals suffer. I never was present with convincing arguments that would make me believe it's not a concept.
Because like it or not it makes money in a world where money matters more than everything and humans only care about problems after the fact.
I bet they cant even get out of the container
Do you mean, why is Taxidermy allowed? Or do you think this turtle is supposed to be still alive. I think it’s fine if it’s taxidermy.
That turtle is gonna rot and leak through the resin 💀
This is disgusting
This makes me physically sick.
I don't think they would get real animals, everything is pretty much fake, so why would they go through the trouble to make this item real, just thinking out loud here.
idk they were selling a croissant shaped lamp, and a woman on tiktok cut it in half and found out it was literally a croissant covered in resin with an LED light in it
They put the pet in petri dish.
Jokes aside, assuming the animal isn't endangered and it was put to sleep with CO2 or something beforehand, it may comfort you to know that they do dissections with cats even in college anatomy courses.
Wait until you discover how they get fur in Norway and China. They skin animals alive. Then they let the poor things die thrown away. Seems killing takes too much time.
is.... that... a live.... or was alive.... turtle..... in a....
oh wow.... like..... WOW
I can't imagine buying something alive and know that it will be dead sooner or later like that... let alone create something like this
wtf does anyone even wnat to buy this, it will rot
like someone on the internet put a pumpkin in full resin cube, it will rot and odors will come out of it.... and this is animal probably with some kind of microbes in it and more prone to rotting
It's not alive, it has been cast in resin...