As someone who does out of Body Experience Since 25 years I know for a fact it’s Not a Prison Planet.
And everyone of you (without insulting anyone) should Read Thomas Campbells my big Toe trilogy. It will explain in Full Detail Whats going on.
Perfect answer! Robert Monroe famously said “Fear is man’s greatest limitation.” I add when helping people deal with their fears - Don’t let someone else’s fears become your own. Love is the literal opposite of fear. Love for yourself, others, from and to the universe. It’s the most powerful creative force on earth. Try to practice love and gratitude every day even if you don’t feel like doing it. You’ll be surprised at the results.
Yes he used it at First! A couple Pages later in the Book he Found out his mistake on his own. And Yes Thomas is also Right, Farming Wording came from his Farmer background as Child
The thing with OBES is that you're still somewhat attached to your body. The question is what happens when you're fully out? Like when you die? Maybe the parasites ignore obers because they know they are still attached to their body. Just a theory.
No it is not the same material. This sub is created and curated by mods of many subreddits who have had to correct much of the propaganda and misinformation around PP. We do not take a new age or any specific belief - we are simply trying to wade through it all to try to correct the misinformation. The PP proseltyzers will often distort the words of people like Robert Monroe, experiencers, cherry pick the stories from people who have had NDEs, and researchers like Ian Stephenson and more to support their belief system and completely discount anything to the opposite.
So is this not evidence for you? We try to go to the source whenever possible. Give another perspective without having to rely on another interpretation via new age or other belief systems. Please read some of the posts here such as the words of Robert Monroe about the concept of loosh. So if they accept Robert Monroe was talking about loosh why do they ignore the info in the very next chapter of Far Journeys - where Monroe talks about what Reincarnation is and how we are “human plus” - waiting to graduate to the next plane of existence and new realities.
This video he is talking about Astral travel and also about OBE's and NDE's.
To me, the crux that would prove or disprove this as a prison planet is that there should always be free will to leave and never come back, or to come back - both options with no cajoling or repercussions or peer pressure.
So , I don't see him talking specifically about if we are forced to reincarnate or if we have a simple choice never to reincarnate again and simply go back to source (because the spaces he describes here are not source- the being still has "an identity" , a "soul".
When back at source, there is no sense of "I" or ego of any kind.
Reference: the afterlife of billy fingers by annie kagan.
Yes I have read Far Journeys several times. I have monroe's books and have read them.
I think of his books as a map made by someone who was first (or near first) in exploring new land and mapping it.... some interpretation will be right and some will be wrong. Similar to Dolores Cannon. I think she was sincere in her beliefs, but i also think she was wrong in some of her beliefs.
So since both subs reference the same material, i am trying to understand what evidence this sub has to disprove the PP theory.
What topics of misinformation do you hope to resolve?
The prison planet subreddit has a sidebar filled with links to various materials, with interpretations of those materials. In this subreddit there are numerous posts that cite those some sources, but demonstrate how the interpretation on PP does not accurately convey those of the original source. This is generally done by the PP promoters cherry-picking only the data which supports their conclusions.
Anomalous experiences vary widely. It’s well accepted that the subconscious of the Experiencer themselves plays a significant role in what they experience. People’s cultural, social, religious, and personal beliefs often dictate how they interpret their experience and may even contribute to dictating some elements of the experience itself. This has been explored a lot with near death experiences, and there are some insights to be had from Bruce Greyson and Nancy Evans Bush regarding negative NDEs.
You are asking what the evidence is, and the answer is that it is to be found in the posts on the subreddit. If you have questions or doubts about specific subjects, I’d recommending searching for them here and then responding on those posts (or making a new post). Otherwise it’s kind of like going into a hospital and asking for medicine or cures. You need to be more specific to get the right answer.
Oh thank you! I did look at the top of the sub at a pinned post and it was somewhat short and i was looking for reference material, but did not see it there.
I am most curious about any evidence that reincarnation is never forced upon a soul.
And secondarily, a few conversion stories of people that belived in prison planet theory and then stopped believing it. What factors and experienced led to that conversion.
One of the big challenges that we face is an example of (quite literally) survivorship bias. Without going through mediums, channeling, etc we have no way to hear from spirits who haven’t returned. The people who pass and cross over permanently aren’t talking about their experiences on YouTube.
The vast majority of people who return say they were given a choice to do so. Again, there are outliers where some people say they were forced to, but they are far from the norm. The NDERF website has a search and you can look for incidents where people describe being forced to come back. There are very few.
As someone who does out of Body Experience Since 25 years I know for a fact it’s Not a Prison Planet. And everyone of you (without insulting anyone) should Read Thomas Campbells my big Toe trilogy. It will explain in Full Detail Whats going on.
Love is the answer
Love is a battlefield
Perfect answer! Robert Monroe famously said “Fear is man’s greatest limitation.” I add when helping people deal with their fears - Don’t let someone else’s fears become your own. Love is the literal opposite of fear. Love for yourself, others, from and to the universe. It’s the most powerful creative force on earth. Try to practice love and gratitude every day even if you don’t feel like doing it. You’ll be surprised at the results.
Tom is amazing. He explains Bob’s misunderstanding about loosh in this video at 8:20 https://youtu.be/s-pSw3noIKc?si=fIpwfsW8n1KUAG5W .
Monroe only had a misunderstanding at first. A couple Pages later in the Book he got it right and was happy
He still used the farm metaphor, which Tom disagrees with.
Yes he used it at First! A couple Pages later in the Book he Found out his mistake on his own. And Yes Thomas is also Right, Farming Wording came from his Farmer background as Child
This is inspiring....
The thing with OBES is that you're still somewhat attached to your body. The question is what happens when you're fully out? Like when you die? Maybe the parasites ignore obers because they know they are still attached to their body. Just a theory.
This sub is interesting.... you know that most all of the referenced material i see here is also the same reference material to support the PP theory.
What evidence do you have that reincarnation is not ever forced, or that our memories are not wiped at birth?
No it is not the same material. This sub is created and curated by mods of many subreddits who have had to correct much of the propaganda and misinformation around PP. We do not take a new age or any specific belief - we are simply trying to wade through it all to try to correct the misinformation. The PP proseltyzers will often distort the words of people like Robert Monroe, experiencers, cherry pick the stories from people who have had NDEs, and researchers like Ian Stephenson and more to support their belief system and completely discount anything to the opposite.
So is this not evidence for you? We try to go to the source whenever possible. Give another perspective without having to rely on another interpretation via new age or other belief systems. Please read some of the posts here such as the words of Robert Monroe about the concept of loosh. So if they accept Robert Monroe was talking about loosh why do they ignore the info in the very next chapter of Far Journeys - where Monroe talks about what Reincarnation is and how we are “human plus” - waiting to graduate to the next plane of existence and new realities.
Have you read Far Journeys?
This video he is talking about Astral travel and also about OBE's and NDE's.
To me, the crux that would prove or disprove this as a prison planet is that there should always be free will to leave and never come back, or to come back - both options with no cajoling or repercussions or peer pressure.
So , I don't see him talking specifically about if we are forced to reincarnate or if we have a simple choice never to reincarnate again and simply go back to source (because the spaces he describes here are not source- the being still has "an identity" , a "soul".
When back at source, there is no sense of "I" or ego of any kind.
Reference: the afterlife of billy fingers by annie kagan.
Yes I have read Far Journeys several times. I have monroe's books and have read them.
I think of his books as a map made by someone who was first (or near first) in exploring new land and mapping it.... some interpretation will be right and some will be wrong. Similar to Dolores Cannon. I think she was sincere in her beliefs, but i also think she was wrong in some of her beliefs.
So since both subs reference the same material, i am trying to understand what evidence this sub has to disprove the PP theory.
What topics of misinformation do you hope to resolve?
The prison planet subreddit has a sidebar filled with links to various materials, with interpretations of those materials. In this subreddit there are numerous posts that cite those some sources, but demonstrate how the interpretation on PP does not accurately convey those of the original source. This is generally done by the PP promoters cherry-picking only the data which supports their conclusions.
Anomalous experiences vary widely. It’s well accepted that the subconscious of the Experiencer themselves plays a significant role in what they experience. People’s cultural, social, religious, and personal beliefs often dictate how they interpret their experience and may even contribute to dictating some elements of the experience itself. This has been explored a lot with near death experiences, and there are some insights to be had from Bruce Greyson and Nancy Evans Bush regarding negative NDEs.
You are asking what the evidence is, and the answer is that it is to be found in the posts on the subreddit. If you have questions or doubts about specific subjects, I’d recommending searching for them here and then responding on those posts (or making a new post). Otherwise it’s kind of like going into a hospital and asking for medicine or cures. You need to be more specific to get the right answer.
Oh thank you! I did look at the top of the sub at a pinned post and it was somewhat short and i was looking for reference material, but did not see it there.
I am most curious about any evidence that reincarnation is never forced upon a soul.
And secondarily, a few conversion stories of people that belived in prison planet theory and then stopped believing it. What factors and experienced led to that conversion.
Thank you for your help!
One of the big challenges that we face is an example of (quite literally) survivorship bias. Without going through mediums, channeling, etc we have no way to hear from spirits who haven’t returned. The people who pass and cross over permanently aren’t talking about their experiences on YouTube.
The vast majority of people who return say they were given a choice to do so. Again, there are outliers where some people say they were forced to, but they are far from the norm. The NDERF website has a search and you can look for incidents where people describe being forced to come back. There are very few.
We have multiple posts here clearing up via primary sources the definition of loosh for example. Have you read those?
Can you link so i can see if I've read them?
Let’s talk about Robert Monroe
https://www.reddit.com/r/Experiencers/s/hOQ1afTxVQ
Let’s talk about Loosh
https://www.reddit.com/r/Experiencers/s/o2GXMybEw4
A deep dive into Loosh/Love
https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/s/QK6n20cRpr
False interpretations of NDE data that just keeps getting copied without any critical evaluation
https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/s/S5hXGQD3LS
I also suggest reading the stickied post at the top of this subreddit.